yeah, I hear you. You know, the problem is, the way the networks air shows is contributing to the deterioration of the standard audience viewing patterns of decades past, and then the deterioration of those viewing patterns makes the networks think it's okay the way they're changing things. I remember--and miss--the old days when a show got a solid 26 - 28 eps, aired all new shows for an entire season, then ran reruns during the summer. Nowadays shows might get canceled after four eps, a successful run is maybe a dozen shows, and reruns often start within two months of the season premiere. Throw in this new concept of two mini-seasons (a season 1.0, and a season 1.5 starting in January, for example), and it makes it very very difficult to watch many series with regularity. The days of a family being able to sit together to watch a show at the same time every week for weeks on end are fast ending. And that makes people either get lost, lose interest, or accumulate a whole hell of a lot of stuff on DVR. i know some people now who, because of all this rerunning and season breaks, don't even watch series until all are finally aired months after premiere.
That's what happened to me with "Lost". They kept rerunning shows after airing only two or three new eps, moved catch up shows to odd days, and introduced those interminable mid-season breaks. It became too difficult for me to keep up, and I just said the hell with it. I *like* the concept of watching the same show at the same time every week, but fear that's fading... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce harden" <bhsleepystude...@gmail.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:06:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week man give lost a new chance. you can rent seasons now start with mid 3rd or when the 5 get back home and then it'll carry you .It's definitely got it's second wind back. As for the big "3" I fell in love with cable because they will play new episodes more than once. just come in late and there it is again. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Yeah, I've long advocated that. It's like the telenovella's done in Mexico. They have built in expiration dates. JMS did that with Babylon 5 as well. It was always planned to last five years. I said many times this model should have been used for "Lost". Good show, but it dragged on so many years--especially with these new crappy half seasons--that I lost track and interest. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week "...not to change the subject, but I think they could make better tv shows by giving them a finite run...like a novel for tv?" Wisdom, pure and simple. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:01:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week Dollhouse is still around but I can see it's running out of steam...not to change the subject, but I think they could make better tv shows by giving them a finite run...like a novel for tv? That way, the original plot doesn't get beat to crap dumb stuff in between the good ideas...Oh let me stop...they'll never do it...It makes too much sense...Hi, guys! "Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie From: B Smith < daikaij...@yahoo.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 2:48:13 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week The Big 4 still act like they rule the airwaves and viewers don't have choices. They are their own worst enemies. It's sad when good shows never get a chance to grow an audience. The Jay Leno experiment and cost cutting also hurt network drama too. Think about all the interesting shows that got the axe in the last few years: Dirty Sexy Money Southland The Unusuals Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Dollhouse Life On Mars Journeyman My Own Worst Enemy And what were the hits that replaced them? Right. Some weren't great but all had potential and had a core audience that enjoyed them. So instead of marketing to that core and building a hit they dump them. And the sad thing is with dvd, cable and other revenue streams available most of these shows could be profitable for the networks. I don't understand American network execs. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , "Mr. Worf" <HelloMahogany@ ...> wrote: > > I agree. I think the big 4 are mostly clueless. They have killed so many > good shows for no good reason. Even some of the award winning shows have > been axed and replaced with stupid sitcoms or whatever. > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Martin Baxter > <truthseeker013@ ...>wrote: > > > > > > > Keith, it's either a matter of money (the lack thereof) or cluelessness > > (the Big Four's inherent inability to grasp what it takes to make a decent > > TV show). You can see where I fall on the subject, from my detail. > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:05:08 +0000 > > Subject: [scifinoir2] "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week > > > > > > > > The new cop drama "Southland" was given very little time to catch fire on > > NBC. It's now been given new life on TNT, starting tonight. And of course, > > "Leverage" is back tomorrow with an all new season. I guess Jeri Ryan is > > part of the cast for at least a little while? > > > > You know, cable networks like TNT are stealing a lot of the thunder of the > > so-called broadcast networks. Look at the list of shows currently on TNT: > > > > The Closer...Dark Blue...HawthoRNe. ..Leverage. ..Men of a Certain > > Age...Raising the Bar... Saving Grace...Southland. ..Angel.. .Bones... > > Charmed > > Cold Case... CSI: NY...ER...Las Vegas...Law & > > Order...Numb3rs. ..Supernatural > > > > Then look at the great shows on USA Network: Burn Notice, Psych, In Plain > > Sight, Royal Pains, White Collar...Monk. ..House.. .Law and Order > > > > What strikes me is that some of these shows are excellent, some are just > > entertaining, some are reruns of canceled series. But, all are the types of > > shows you used to *expect* on CBS, ABC, and NBC back in the day. But those > > networks seem to be struggling with the motivation/money to keep good > > shows, > > while the cable networks are bringing 'em in. I guess it's true that a TNT > > can afford to air a few high quality shows, thus paying for a smaller > > stable > > of new product than, say, NBC. Still, NBC's made some bonehead moves that > > don't help its case. The debacle of the Jay Leno show is just one example. > > And with "Southland", they didn't give the show a chance, and then tried to > > move it up an hour to 9 pm EST. Star Regina King said on Tom Joyner's show > > yesterday that was a mistake. She was clearly upset with NBC's handling of > > her show. It just seems that more and more, one can go to cable to see good > > programming- -even reruns--especially late night, instead of having to > > depend > > on the broadcast networks. > > > > ************ ********* ***** > > http://www.tnt. tv/series/ southland/ display/? contentId= 53849 > > About Southland > > From Emmy Award winners John Wells, Ann Biderman and Chris Chulack comes a > > raw and authentic look at a police unit in Los Angeles. From the beaches of > > Malibu to the streets of East Los Angeles, "Southland" is a fast-moving > > drama that will take viewers inside the lives of cops, criminals, victims > > and their families. > > > > Michael Cudlitz ("A River Runs Through It") plays John Cooper a seasoned > > Los Angeles cop, assigned to train young rookie Ben Sherman (Ben McKenzie, > > "The O.C."). Cooper's honest, no-nonsense approach to the job leaves > > Sherman > > questioning whether or not he has what it takes to become a police officer. > > > > Cudlitz and McKenzie are joined by other cast members, including Regina > > King ("Ray," “Jerry Maguire”), who plays Detective Lydia Adams. Adams lives > > with and is the primary caregiver of her mother. Her partner, Detective > > Russell Clarke (Tom Everett Scott, "Boiler Room") is an unhappily married > > father of three. Michael McGrady ("The Thin Red Line") plays Detective > > Daniel "Sal" Salinger. Sal oversees fellow gang detectives Nate Moretta > > (Kevin Alejandro, "Drive," "Ugly Betty") and Sammy Bryant (Shawn Hatosy, > > "Alpha Dog"). Arija Bareikis (“Crossing Jordan”) plays patrol officer > > Chickie Brown, a single mom who dreams of being the first woman accepted > > into SWAT. > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.< > > http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 196390708/ direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ > of_darkness/ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
