Is "Last Hunt" the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive, then donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him in his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but you know darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they clearly want to direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to hell. Speaking of "Last Hunt", if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever read the "What If?" version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by Kraven, starts the standard "Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start gloating". Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then goes on to start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but he's really really snapped. In order to "capture the soul of the Spider", Kraven periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body! At the end, I believe Kraven is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows Peter's identity to be known to the world, then sets about making sure people know what a hero he really was. one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've ever read.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 +0000 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible film. If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that. I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and build on it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@...> wrote: > > > Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for it. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@... > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800 > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian > Dispute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web slinging > type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get home in > time for dinner with Aunt B. > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith <daikaij...@...> wrote: > > Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now. > > > > I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They > want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side of > teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and > have cut the budget to $80,000,000. > > > > > Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some > chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a > director of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have > mixed results. > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr. Worf" <HelloMahogany@> wrote: > > > > > > Who would he be? The Condor? > > > > > > I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos. > > > Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the > > right > > > part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now too. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter > > > <truthseeker013@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Okay, I'll ask... > > > > > > > > WHY does the movie need Malkovich as a villain? Personally, I've never > > > been > > > > enamored of his work in the least. > > > > > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > > > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; ggszig@; cinque3000@ > > > > From: tdlists@ > > > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:35:22 -0800 > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian > > > Dispute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [image: Bookmark and Share]< > > > http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250&pub=xa-4a92b9d818cb896c > > > > > > [image: delays spidey] > > > > This is a story I've been working on ever since I saw this December > > > > 11th email that went out to the *Spider-Man 4* special effects crew that > > > > day: > > > > Hey there-- > > > > We were just notified that our schedule is pushing. We will NOT be > > > starting > > > > as planned. I’m terribly sorry for this news, and I hope this email > > > reaches > > > > you in time to find other options. We do not know how long we are > > > pushing, > > > > and we will not know until mid-January. By mid-January, we will be told > > > how > > > > long the push is, whether it be 2 weeks, 2 months, or something else. The > > > > studio has every intention of making the movie, but we no longer have > > > > a confirmed start date. > > > > Again, I’m terribly sorry, but Sam Raimi has story issues [that] need > > > to be > > > > resolved before we are ready to shoot. > > > > Feel free to call me if you have any questions. > > > > VFX Team > > > > [image: Sony_pictures_logo]At that point, it wasn't well known that the * > > > > Spider-Man* franchise director who also is helming the 4th installment > > > had > > > > huge problems with the script that has run through screenwriters Jamie > > > > Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross. I'm even told Sam Raimi > > > had > > > > been very vocal inside Sony that he "hated" it. Now Raimi and Sony are > > > > anxiously waiting for still another version from screenwriter Alvin > > > Sargent, > > > > who wrote *Spidey 2* &* 3* and is married to *Spidey* franchise producer > > > > Laura Ziskind. "It is unlikely that May 11, 2011, date will be made," a > > > Sony > > > > insider just told me today. "It depends on how quickly the script can get > > > > in." However, agents have told clients in the movie to already expect the > > > > film to be pushed back. > > > > My sources say Sony still intends to release that summer, even if the new > > > > date is July 2011. But *Spider-Man* has always owned that coveted early > > > > May date. Even as far back as September 2008 when I reported my exclusive > > > > that Sony Locks In Sam Raimi & Tobey Maguire in 'Spider-Man 4'< > > > http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-sony-sets-sam-raimi-studio-may-shoot-4-and-5-at-same-time/ > > > >. > > > > > And now this is a giant opportunity for other studios planning their 2011 > > > > schedules to grab this big opening. > > > > *Spider-Man 4* was supposed to start filming in February, and star Tobey > > > > Maguire echoed that repeatedly in publicity appearances for *Brothers*. > > > > Then it pushed to March. Then late March/early April. And now there's no > > > > date at all, according to my Sony insiders who emailed me: "Some > > > > decisions have been made over the holiday about *Spider-Man 4*. We will > > > be > > > > extending the production hiatus on the film. The studio is firmly > > > committed > > > > to this franchise but, for us, the script must come first. We intend to > > > > notify members of the crew immediately. As you know, Alvin Sargent is > > > > currently working on the screenplay. When we have more news, we will keep > > > > you posted." > > > > I do know that Sony Pictures co-chairman Amy Pascal and Columbia Pictures > > > > president Matt Tolmach, who have shepherded the *Spider-Man* franchise > > > > from Day One, has been wrestling with this script problem for months. > > > "I'm > > > > going to do everything I can to make May," she has repeatedly told > > > Hollywood > > > > types involved with the movie. "But I'm not going to start a movie where > > > the > > > > script isn't right yet. Not unless I want my career to be over." > > > > Fortunately for Pascal, Sony is not yet "pay or play" on some of the > > > talent > > > > negotiations which were still only at the tail end. Raimi is insisting > > > that > > > > John Malkovich play the villain, so that won't change. But I do hear that > > > > it's now unlikely Anne Hathaway will be cast. "I'm not so sure we're > > > going > > > > in that direction," an insider told me recently. Sony had been hot for > > > her > > > > until bigwigs realized she'd cost too much and they probably don't need > > > > "such a big star" for the pic, I'm told. (See my previous, Anne Hathaway > > > > Wanted For 'Spider-Man 4'< > > > http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/anne-hathaway-wanted-for-spider-man-4/ > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > As for those repeated rumors that *Spider-Man 4* will and won't shoot in > > > > 3D, I've got to figure that's uppermost on Sony minds given the post-* > > > > Avatar* climate. Back in April, Sony Pictures' co-chairmen Amy Pascal and > > > > Michael Lynton told *Forbes* magazine they were considering making the > > > 4th > > > > *Spider-Man* in 3D. Here were the quotes: "Could be," said Pascal. Lynton > > > > added: "People are paying a premium to see movies in 3-D and that's a > > > very > > > > big deal. It's never been done before that someone says you have to pay > > > more > > > > to see *Spider-Man* than a romantic comedy." More as I get it... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-spider-man-4-officially-has-no-start-date-as-of-today-because-of-script-problems-sony-unlikely-to-make-5112010-release-date/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. 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