Whatever, I still wasn't moved by "Spartacus". As for "Psycho", you know what actually garnered as much shocked attention about that movie as the shower scene, maybe even more? The fact that "Psycho" actually had on full display in the bathroom a toilet! Remember that was back in the day when some TV shows and movies still had married couples incongruously sleeping in separate beds, when the word "pregnant" was always replaced by "in the family way", when real life and real life bodily functions simply weren't discussed or shown. Toilets just weren't shown in film or TV at that time, but Hitchcock did it and it caused quite a stir at the time.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:20:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? It doesn't match the "sprayfu" of the Japanese samurai movies from the early 70s. Almost too neat. The people that decolorized it are copying Hitchcock. The shower scene from Psycho freaked out a lot of people even though you didn't see the knife penetrate or the color of blood. People's minds filled in the rest. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Those I know who find it queasying nonetheless would say that the weakened product doesn't do anything to ease their nausea. As for dramatic effect, I really can't say. The things I've seen in real life makes the movies look weak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:51:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Some people believe that if you off color the blood it seems less gory. So people will sit through a hack and slash without getting queasy if the blood isn't red. Others use it for a dramatic effect. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Yeah, I noticed that. Thought my TV was off-tune, then remembered that it is barely five months old. And the consistency of the blood was closer to Kool-Aid at times. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially towards the end where it went from red to off red. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a pint easy. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: From: Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 +0000 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Martin Baxter <truthseeker013@ ...> wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 +0000 > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" <HelloMahogany@ ...> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a > similar word back then. > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker013@ ...> > > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly > Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the > geography right) aren't likely to speak. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 +0000 > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda > funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more > of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty > Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering > and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got > knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was > funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in > showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, > gratuitous, unmoving. > > Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of > a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the > dudes' naked bottoms. :( > > Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, > I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for > the times. > > Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet > without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. > > Anyone else? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Johnson" <keithbjohnson@ ...> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore > and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because > Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle > scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen > mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad > imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable > fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds > whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in > battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose > nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And > I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. > > Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is > good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* > ********* > > > http://www.starz. com/originals/ spartacus > > Betrayed > by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic > tale of the Republic's most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic > and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand. Torn from > his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the > brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime > entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. > Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will > constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. > More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. > > > > Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield (McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, > Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah (The Mummy, > Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The > Incredible Hulk) > as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphic novel effects and > brutal battle sequences is set to make "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" an > epic television event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. 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