I'm trying to figure out how Earth *got* to Vulcan based on using the tech in one stolen Vulcan starship. How did they create the infrastructure to create warpships, build and armada, and take Vulcan? Obviously they forged alliances with other races, but I'd sure like to see how they managed to do it so quickly.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 2:03:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Special Unit 12" Marathon on SyFy Keith, the sole answer I can give in explanation for the Empire's overrunning Vulcan is the one constant I saw in the two-part Enterprise AU run. Sheer, bloody-minded underhandedness. Earth probably went to Vulcan, hand extended in friendship, and the Vulcans never saw the phaser rifle in the other hand. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 06:32:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Special Unit 12" Marathon on SyFy I thought of that, but the Mirror Universe was moving along at the exact same clip. Even their infighting should have allowed them to advanced technology, 'cause remember, by Kirk's time they were still very powerful. Indeed, the Mirror Spock calculated the Empire would last another two centuries before being overthrown. As for the tech of the Enterprise, it is still inexplicably primitive. When it was being attacked by the Tholians, they said more than once that hull plating was failing. That leads me to believe it's the same ship: no energy shield technology yet. So again, how could Earth's Empire extend into interstellar space, and they have conquered Vulcan, yet their best ship is a tiny, technology unimpressive vessel? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rogue" <n1ro...@aol.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 12:57:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Special Unit 12" Marathon on SyFy The only thing I think of is the very first scene when the show started. The Next Generation Clue could have filled them in on what was going to happen or needed to happened which could explain that part. But as far at the ships when Kirk’s crew came along good question. The only thing I could think of is that they were too busy killing each other off to try to advance any further then they did. Would then explain by the time we get to the DS9 time they were on the losing side. --Lavender If all truths were knowable, then all truths are in fact known. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:29 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Special Unit 12" Marathon on SyFy The marathon is followed by re-airings of the latest "Caprica" eps again. And now, there's a four hour block of "Enterprise". The first two eps are the fun "Through a Glass, Darkly" eps, taking place in the Mirror Universe. Fun shows. I love the way Malcolm is skulking about, just waiting to put someone in the Agony Booth. The radiation-scarred Trip is, well, a trip, too. My fav is Dr. Phlox, wearing all black, casually dissecting animals in Sick Bay. The way he perks up when Archer promises him "human females" is just creepy! Good stuff, but I always have questions about some of the plotting. How did lowly humans, just off a World War, with Cochran just about to do his first warp test, manage to reverse engineer the Vulcan ship? In the main timeline the Vulcans were needed to help Earth expand warp capability. They certainly didn't help the Mirror Universe Earth after they killed the V ulcan crew! So how did Earth manage to develop deep space warp ships and expand the Empire? Surely the Klingons would have annihilated them? Also, it must be assumed that, unlike Starfleet, the Empire has full tech on the level of the other spacefaring races, due to its theft of the Vulcan ship, and due to its control of an interstellar empire. If so, why is the Enterprise of that universe still the same small, primitive-looking ship? Shouldn't they have something larger and more advanced lookin? Finally, fun show, like I said, but the recovery of a Constitution class starship from Kirk's time would serious upset that universe's timeline. By the time Kirk and his crew first visit the Mirror Universe, therefore, I think they'd be well advanced of the Federation of Kirk's time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Johnson" <keithbjohn...@comcast.net> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:03:55 PM GMT -05:0 0 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] "Special Unit 12" Marathon on SyFy Watching a marathon of "Special Unit 2" on SyFy today. This was actually a decent show from 2001. It deals with a secret group of people who investigate and contain creatures from myth that oddly love to hang out in Chicago. The formula is pretty familiar: secret group of agents, special weaponry to take out the creatures, a funny creature who helps out the squad, lots of jokes in which the mystical beasties are juxtaposed with human society (such as the gnome who helps the Unit who loves slurpees, strippers, and has a penchant for holding up convenience stores). Indeed, the formula of the "monster hunters" has been used in some shape or form for other series such as the X-Files, G vs. E, Supernatural, Angel (which the show most reminds me of with its mix of humor and drama), Warehouse 13 (which hunts objects, but can creatures be far behind?), Sanctuary, Primeval, The Chronicle, Re aper, Dead Last (a fun ghost hunters series also from 2001), and the Men in Black movies. What's interesting is the description and explanation different series use to explain these creatures. "Special Unit 2" takes the tack that gnomes, gargoyles, etc., are all various missing links in the evolutionary chain, some taking our path, others taking parallel but different evolutionary paths. Hence the name "Links" for the beings. As such, i don't think they can be called "supernatural" in terms of magical. "Sanctuary" takes a similar view, that they all occur naturally in Nature, but calls them "Abnormals", a term I find oddly egocentric and condescending. Maybe *we* are the real abnormals on Earth! "Supernatural", "Angel", and "Reaper" go with the more standard magical/supernatural explanation. "Warehouse 13" and "X-Files" were a mixture, trying to base it all in science, but not quite able to explain everything away. At any rate, it's a fun little show, nothing fancy but worth a look if you've never seen it before. Since it came and went in a flash, i don't think I've seen a single ep fully, so it's all new to me. And man does it make me sad for the loss of so many of those great other shows! Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
