(With the second (Shadow Valley) I got parts Clan of the Cave Bear, parts 
Tarzan (Edgar Rice Burroughs style) parts Imaro, parts suffused with his own 
philosophies, parts modern romance or erotica--I feel like Steve is firmly 
anchored in the pulp tradition--but we all know even real life is not as 
violent as a Conan story, mostly, and nothing can beat the 20th Century for 
violence

I liked that the female character was strong and that females were shown as an 
integral part of the society and even dominant or essential to some of its 
workings--think he has something here with the Ibandi--

Again, a difficult sell, the day to day life of hunter gatherers with no 
written language, few members, no towns, no metallurgy, no philosophy, only 
rudiments of culture as we enjoy it today

He had to juice it up--but there is evidence that warfare, even between 
different ethnic groups then, was often more ceremonial

The innovations of Chaka Zulu--close quarter war, maximum slaughter inflicted 
on the losers--came as a shock to much of that society

Were there any African Stonehenges?  The society that raised it was not much 
more advanced that the Ibandi---"

--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "B. Smith" <daikaij...@...> wrote:
>
> I'll have to give the second one a look because I felt the same way as you do 
> about the first. It was interesting but not very engaging.
> 
> ---

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