On 10.02.2010, at 14:55, Derek O'Connell wrote > On 10/02/2010 19:31, Amos Blanton wrote: >> Re: other distros. I have heard a few requests for a Red Hat compatible >> version. I think the next generation OLPC will have a RH based OS?
Even the current OLPC generation is based on that. The VM Scratch is using comes from an RPM. >> I was >> thinking of trying "Alien" package converter (from deb -> rpm) to see if >> that would be a good solution. I asked a few community members to try it but >> haven't heard back. Not a solution for OLPC running Sugar, which requires its activities to be packaged as a ".xo" bundle. You would only need an RPM if you want to run this under a different UI than Sugar (e.g. Gnome, which the XO 1.5 supports in addition to Sugar). > Alien should work but it's a long time since I touched Red Hat or > derivatives so I'm not sure what is included in their std distribution > or if they follow the Linux Standards Base (for file locations at least, > probably do). The low dependency of the Squeak VM means problems on RH > should be relatively easy to fix. See above. Squeak VM is packaged already. > More generally, wouldn't targeting Debian itself have the best chance of > being pushed to a wider audience since most distro's are derivatives of > Debian? I was surprised you targeted Ubuntu, indeed. > >> To sum up, supporting other Linux distros would be great, but the primary >> goal is plain old Ubuntu. But if Gstreamer made it possible to hook into >> lots of other options, so much the better. >> > > GStreamer is on the top of my list for alternatives with the caveat that > it may not avoid PA/ALSA problems (but as we agree looks better > maintained and hopefully will). I have not looked very deep yet but it > looks like other alternatives, such as libao, mainly only deal with > playback not recording. Ideally any viable alternative comes as > standard, in Ubuntu at least. Not sure if libSDL satisfies that criteria > but I will check that also. I don't suppose adding a dependency will be > a big deal if it eradicates sounds issues once and for all... well at > least for my lifetime ;-) For Etoys we use PA's OSS emulation which works much better than using PA itself. GStreamer is not really meant to be used for generated sound. It's more of a media decoding framework. That's what John McIntosh's GStreamer plugin for Squeak does. As for DBus, I made a changeset that makes it work in current Scratch. It's part of my sugarization work. What would you need it for though? > You mentioned previously about utilising mainstream VM, is there any > progress or plan for that? Is the Scratch plug-in going to be pushed > upstream? You need to communicate with the VM maintainers about that. Also read this thread: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2009-September/003182.html - Bert - _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~scratch Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~scratch More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
