Craig, This is indeed some progress... Wow I am amazed then that I got such good results on my submitted works with so little knowledge of what I was actually doing... I even set a RGB pale green, changed opacity and - beginner?s luck I assume - got the same desired green on the final output, or at least similar enough to convey the right image (I was not so lucky with a dark green, but the leaflet was still a success).
I will ask my printer for such a home-made swatch, which will greatly reduce the tricky guesses. About your previous reply about photos I have to admit you lost me. Did you mean that it could be possible to insert an image in RGB space, export with a specific ICC profile and the colours would come out right on paper? If I understand well, you could choose "ICC for coated paper" and could trust the file will be taken in alright? Could you provide a tutorial as these remain obscure concepts still? Sorry but I am still on the learning curve and talking about puddings, a 4000 offset run is an expensive and rare one, not quite like sending a proof to a laser printer.... Thanks a lot Cedric ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: Scribus Digest, Vol 50, Issue 41 > Send Scribus mailing list submissions to > scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/mailman/listinfo/scribus > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > scribus-request at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > > You can reach the person managing the list at > scribus-owner at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Scribus digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Printing multiple page documents (Peter Nermander) > 2. Re: Josh new member question (Peter Nermander) > 3. Re: Colour Swatch and more questions (Cedric Sagne) > 4. Re: Printing multiple page documents (Nigel Ridley) > 5. Re: Colour Swatch and more questions (Craig Ringer) > 6. Re: Printing multiple page documents (Craig Ringer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:10:52 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Peter Nermander <m8130 at abc.se> > Subject: [Scribus] Printing multiple page documents > To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0704180907540.15700 at atle.abc.se> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > >> How do I set up Scribus to print a 20 page small booklet (A4 paper but A5 >> page >> size) so that I can print it on my home printer and have, for example, >> page #6 on >> the same (opposite side) piece of A4 paper as page #15 with pages #5 and >> #16 on >> the 'back' (double side printing)? > > Just to clarify things: What you are talking about here is called > "imposition". > There are several articles about it in the Scribus wiki. > > Normally you don't have to think about this if you are sending to a > printer, > they will take care of it (usually in their RIP) since the imposition > depends on > how the printed sheets will be folded and cut. > > /Peter > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:14:48 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Peter Nermander <m8130 at abc.se> > Subject: Re: [Scribus] Josh new member question > To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0704180910550.15700 at atle.abc.se> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > >> I suspect columns of text are natoriously difficult on the web because >> the >> nature of web pages and useability. > > But CSS also includes properies for printing. > > While I could accept a single 10 cm wide text column for the web (maybe > with a > menu to the left and some links to similar topics to the right) it is a > waste of > paper to print a single 10 cm column when you could easily fit two 8 cm > columns. > > /Peter > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:17:03 +0200 > From: "Cedric Sagne" <cedric.sagne at poeware.com> > Subject: Re: [Scribus] Colour Swatch and more questions > To: <scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de> > Message-ID: <004e01c78189$90b3e5c0$23821b53 at cedric> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Craig, > > After some research on your answer, I repeat my question about a way to > know > from a physical "yardstick" what your colour will look like on paper, that > is on a specific type of paper assuming your printer uses it and does not > take liberties with it? > Well actually I thought this was the purpose of such colour swatches, to > get > a client to pick his colours there, and be sure the output will match. > > I know Pantone publishes colour swatches which may be used to order > specific > inks (then inserted as spot colours), but could you then tell me which > tool > makes a link between a colour on the screen and the coding used there, > which > I don't care if it looks good or not (and calibrating a monitor is NOT an > option because I work on a general market laptop screen) and a final paper > result (fortunately I do not have to work with fabric or other fancy > physical output) which I have to be sure of... before the money is spent. > Alright bottomposting there, not sure if I follow the etiquette. > >> Now, if we treated the CMYK values as (eg) SWOP Coated, and did an >> appropriate CMYK->CMYK conversion to the press profile, that I could >> make sense of. We don't however, and the press is very far indeed from >> anything like SWOP Coated in its characteristics. > > Cedric > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:23:38 +0300 > From: Nigel Ridley <nigel at rmk.co.il> > Subject: Re: [Scribus] Printing multiple page documents > To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > Message-ID: <4625E39A.8050201 at rmk.co.il> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Peter Nermander wrote: >>> How do I set up Scribus to print a 20 page small booklet (A4 paper but >>> A5 page >>> size) so that I can print it on my home printer and have, for example, >>> page #6 on >>> the same (opposite side) piece of A4 paper as page #15 with pages #5 and >>> #16 on >>> the 'back' (double side printing)? >> >> Just to clarify things: What you are talking about here is called >> "imposition". >> There are several articles about it in the Scribus wiki. >> >> Normally you don't have to think about this if you are sending to a >> printer, >> they will take care of it (usually in their RIP) since the imposition >> depends on >> how the printed sheets will be folded and cut. >> >> /Peter >> _______________________________________________ >> Scribus mailing list >> Scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de >> http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/mailman/listinfo/scribus >> >> > > Thanks for your reply but 'impositions' is not what I'm looking for. I > want to be > able to print the booklets (just a few of them - it's print edition of a > monthly > e-newsletter for those that don't have Internet) on my home printer (I do > plan on > purchasing a Xerox Phaser in the near future). > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > OliveRoot Ministries > http://www.oliveroot.net/ > > PrayingForIsrael.net > http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:35:44 +0800 > From: Craig Ringer <craig at postnewspapers.com.au> > Subject: Re: [Scribus] Colour Swatch and more questions > To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > Message-ID: <4625E670.4010607 at postnewspapers.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Cedric Sagne wrote: >> Craig, >> >> After some research on your answer, I repeat my question about a way to >> know >> from a physical "yardstick" what your colour will look like on paper, >> that >> is on a specific type of paper assuming your printer uses it and does not >> take liberties with it? > > A swatch book is useful for this, but only if you're actually sending > true spot colours to the printer. It will not give you an accurate > indication of how the associated CMYK colour will look, since that is > only there as a rough approximation of the spot colour for preview > purposes. > > If you want to know how a specific CMYK colour will look on your press > and paper, ask your printers for a swatch sheet printed from the press > on the desired paper type. Some printers do this for a range of colours, > so designers can pick specific CMYK values and know how they'll look on > paper. Without this, as far as I know there IS no way to get such a > physical yardstick for non-spot colours. > > See below for a detailed explanation of what a spot colour actually is, > and why it's not as simple as a specific CMYK value. > >> Well actually I thought this was the purpose of such colour swatches, to >> get >> a client to pick his colours there, and be sure the output will match. > > That's correct. However, you can only truly rely on that if you're using > a named spot colour in your document. Putting the CMYK or RGB values > that approximate that spot will not guarantee accurate reproduction, > because (eg) CMYK (40,20,10,4) one press is different to CMYK > (20,40,10,4) on another press. > >> I know Pantone publishes colour swatches which may be used to order >> specific >> inks (then inserted as spot colours), but could you then tell me which >> tool >> makes a link between a colour on the screen and the coding used there > > [Here's my explanation. It should be accurate, but I'd very much > appreciate comments/corrections.] > > In Scribus, when you create a spot colour, it's identified by a name > like PANTONE5512. You also provide a colour value in CMYK or RGB, but > this is used only for preview purposes, or to export to media where spot > colours are not supported or not used. > > Normally, when you send a job to a printer, you send a PDF. If you're > using spot colours, Scribus specifies the colours *by* *name* in the > PDF. Instead of saying "CMYK(40,20,10,4)" it'll say "MyColour". It's > possible to pick whatever names you want, so long as you tell the > printer what you want them to print those colours as (think: gold ink, > varnish layers, etc). In most cases, however, you'll use widely > recognised spot colour names from ranges like PANTONE, so the printer > will already know what you want the spot colour to look like, and will > have their equipment calibrated to produce an accurate match for those > colours. > > The key point is that spot colours are specified by name, not colour > value. > > You can make the preview colour in Scribus bright pink, and your > document should come out of the press with the correct spot colour > anyway - so long as the printer RIPs the document with a RIP that > supports spot colours and is configured to use them. Scribus still > includes that preview colour in the PDF so that devices that want to > process the PDF but don't know what the spot colour name means can still > handle it. This means that if you use bright pink for the preview colour > associated with your "Varnish" spot colour, it'll look bright pink in > (eg) Adobe Reader, but your printer's RIP (which will have been told > what the name "varnish" means) will process the "Varnish" colours into a > separate plate that will then be printed with varnish. > > This means that your printers are very important for spot colour > reproduction. Some spot colours can be reproduced using 4-colour > halftones on certain media, so if your printer is calibrated for those > spot colours it'll be able to reproduce them in normal 4-colour > printing. However, the printer and RIP still need to be calibrated for > those colours - they can't just use the CMYK preview values. Other spot > colours can not be reproduced in the 4-colour gamut of most presses - > they need special inks. For those, your printer must use an extra plate > for the spot colour, something that usually costs extra and must be > pre-arranged. > > My point is that you can't just put a spot colour in and assume that it > will work. You need to find out from your printer what you can and can't > use, and how you should do it. > >> which >> I don't care if it looks good or not (and calibrating a monitor is NOT an >> option because I work on a general market laptop screen) > > One of the advantages of using spot colours is that you don't have to > care in the slightest how it looks on screen, or worry about > calibration. So long as the output device (commercial printing RIP, high > end laser printer, etc) is properly calibrated for the spot colours > you've used, you're fine. > > -- > Craig Ringer > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:37:48 +0800 > From: Craig Ringer <craig at postnewspapers.com.au> > Subject: Re: [Scribus] Printing multiple page documents > To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > Message-ID: <4625E6EC.7060303 at postnewspapers.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> Thanks for your reply but 'impositions' is not what I'm looking for. I >> want to be >> able to print the booklets (just a few of them - it's print edition of a >> monthly >> e-newsletter for those that don't have Internet) on my home printer (I do >> plan on >> purchasing a Xerox Phaser in the near future). > > Good plan. At least some of the Phaser range have Windows drivers > that'll do simple booklet printing for you. > > -- > Craig Ringer > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Scribus mailing list > Scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de > http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/mailman/listinfo/scribus > > > End of Scribus Digest, Vol 50, Issue 41 > *************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 > 17:20 > >
