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> 1. Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)? (David Gessel)
> 2. Re: Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
> (Gregory Pittman)
> 3. Re: Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)? (David Gessel)
> 4. Re: Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)? (dl)
> 5. Re: Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
> (Peter Nermander)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:01:36 +0300
> From: David Gessel <ges...@blackrosetech.com>
> To: scribus@lists.scribus.net
> Subject: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
> Message-ID: <30983da1-6999-d009-935e-7b9ffc231...@blackrosetech.com>
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> Dear Scribus list:
>
> I apologize for the newbie question, but I've been trying to transition work
> from FrameMaker (used since version 1 on the NeXT in 1989) to open source and
> Scribus has some lovely capabilities, including nicely designed support for
> Font Features in the dev release that Frame still does not have even in the
> 2019 version.
>
> I fully admit I'm coming to Scribus with preconceptions of workflow that
> don't entirely align, so what I'd like to do may just be outside the use
> cases for the package or maybe I'm just ignorantly missing the obvious.
>
> I'd like to be able to define a page format - optimally multiple - that I can
> pre-design and assign to a document and then apply as editable.? I think I've
> exhausted the obvious mechanisms, I apologize for the enumeration of the
> obvious but to save back and forth:
>
> It seems master pages are specifically intended for non-editable elements,
> what might be called "background" or "header and footer" (in less flexible
> environments).? This is wonderful and useful, but not what I'm looking for.
>
> It seems Templates are used to define entire document designs, absent
> content.? This is also great for fixed length, pre-designed documents.? A
> powerful feature, to be sure, but also not quite what I'm looking for in that
> I can't define a single page template, then create a new document and "add
> page" and have that template applied.? Indeed, it seems the only way to apply
> the template is to copy paste the template structure to the next page, a
> somewhat plausible work flow if one carefully keeps a content free copy to
> the side.
>
> If I look through the interface, where I would expect to find it would be in
> the Style Manager under "Page Styles," if such a thing existed.? I would
> expect construction of page styles to be similar to construction of and
> management of "master pages." I'd think it might include something like a
> mechanism for specifying "next page style" and or "next page even/next page
> odd" and auto-connect like-named text flows, auto-adding pages as text frames
> are filled.
>
>
> As an aside, for the convenience of combined content creator/page designers,
> I've found "Next Paragraph Tag" or "Next Style" definitions helpful as might
> be found when defining a "paragraph style."
>
> Is there a way to define the Column and Text Distance in a paragraph style?
>
> The new table tool seems like a step in the right direction and helpful - but
> in the dev version I don't seem to be able to "ungroup" the table to apply
> formatting.? I'd think I could define a "table text" paragraph style and a
> "table header" paragraph style (including column and text offset distances)
> and then multi-select and apply, but I haven't figured out how to do that.
>
>
> I apologize for the newbie questions.? I've read through the documentation
> but may have missed some obvious answers.
>
> -David
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:23:44 -0400
> From: Gregory Pittman <gpitt...@iglou.com>
> To: scribus@lists.scribus.net
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
> Message-ID: <a22019f0-353b-9b8d-6073-7531127d5...@iglou.com>
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> HI David,
> I'll try to answer what I can interspersed with your questions.
>
> On 9/16/20 9:01 AM, David Gessel wrote:
>> Dear Scribus list:
>>
>> I'd like to be able to define a page format - optimally multiple - that I
>> can pre-design and assign to a document and then apply as editable.? I think
>> I've exhausted the obvious mechanisms, I apologize for the enumeration of
>> the obvious but to save back and forth:
>>
>> It seems master pages are specifically intended for non-editable elements,
>> what might be called "background" or "header and footer" (in less flexible
>> environments).? This is wonderful and useful, but not what I'm looking for.
>>
>> It seems Templates are used to define entire document designs, absent
>> content.? This is also great for fixed length, pre-designed documents.? A
>> powerful feature, to be sure, but also not quite what I'm looking for in
>> that I can't define a single page template, then create a new document and
>> "add page" and have that template applied.? Indeed, it seems the only way to
>> apply the template is to copy paste the template structure to the next page,
>> a somewhat plausible work flow if one carefully keeps a content free copy to
>> the side.
>>
>> If I look through the interface, where I would expect to find it would be in
>> the Style Manager under "Page Styles," if such a thing existed.? I would
>> expect construction of page styles to be similar to construction of and
>> management of "master pages." I'd think it might include something like a
>> mechanism for specifying "next page style" and or "next page even/next page
>> odd" and auto-connect like-named text flows, auto-adding pages as text
>> frames are filled.
>
>> From what you're saying, I would suggest copying a page (Page > Copy) with
>> its layout (which you can place where you want), then changing its content
>> as needed. You're right, Master Pages are generally for fixed content.
>> Another option you have is to copy a page from some external document. (Page
>> > Import) What you could have then, would potentially be some documents with
>> a particular layout, content or perhaps no content, to use for that purpose.
>> Maybe even a general purpose document that has different layouts on
>> different pages as a resource.
>>
>>
>> As an aside, for the convenience of combined content creator/page designers,
>> I've found "Next Paragraph Tag" or "Next Style" definitions helpful as might
>> be found when defining a "paragraph style."
>>
>> Is there a way to define the Column and Text Distance in a paragraph style?
>
> Column and Text Distances are features of text frames not of a Paragraph
> Style. Here again, you might have a text frame, with or without content,
> having the settings you want copied to another location and the content
> edited/added.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:16:43 +0300
> From: David Gessel <ges...@blackrosetech.com>
> To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus@lists.scribus.net>, Gregory
> Pittman <gpitt...@iglou.com>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
> Message-ID: <b6db9aad-eab9-4413-03bc-2915d273f...@blackrosetech.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Gregory,
>
> Thank you for the help!
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
> From: Gregory Pittman <gpitt...@iglou.com>
> To: scribus@lists.scribus.net
> Date: 2020-09-16 04:23+0300
>
>> HI David,
>> I'll try to answer what I can interspersed with your questions.
>>
>> On 9/16/20 9:01 AM, David Gessel wrote:
>>> Dear Scribus list:
>>>
>>> I'd like to be able to define a page format - optimally multiple - that I
>>> can pre-design and assign to a document and then apply as editable.? I
>>> think I've exhausted the obvious mechanisms, I apologize for the
>>> enumeration of the obvious but to save back and forth:
>>>
>>> It seems master pages are specifically intended for non-editable elements,
>>> what might be called "background" or "header and footer" (in less flexible
>>> environments).? This is wonderful and useful, but not what I'm looking for.
>>>
>>> It seems Templates are used to define entire document designs, absent
>>> content.? This is also great for fixed length, pre-designed documents.? A
>>> powerful feature, to be sure, but also not quite what I'm looking for in
>>> that I can't define a single page template, then create a new document and
>>> "add page" and have that template applied.? Indeed, it seems the only way
>>> to apply the template is to copy paste the template structure to the next
>>> page, a somewhat plausible work flow if one carefully keeps a content free
>>> copy to the side.
>>>
>>> If I look through the interface, where I would expect to find it would be
>>> in the Style Manager under "Page Styles," if such a thing existed.? I would
>>> expect construction of page styles to be similar to construction of and
>>> management of "master pages." I'd think it might include something like a
>>> mechanism for specifying "next page style" and or "next page even/next page
>>> odd" and auto-connect like-named text flows, auto-adding pages as text
>>> frames are filled.
>>
>> From what you're saying, I would suggest copying a page (Page > Copy) with
>> its layout (which you can place where you want), then changing its content
>> as needed. You're right, Master Pages are generally for fixed content.
>> Another option you have is to copy a page from some external document. (Page
>> > Import) What you could have then, would potentially be some documents with
>> a particular layout, content or perhaps no content, to use for that purpose.
>> Maybe even a general purpose document that has different layouts on
>> different pages as a resource.
>
> Yes, that's a sensible work around - just keep importing the "Page Style" (s)
> as needed. Thanks!
>
>>>
>>>
>>> As an aside, for the convenience of combined content creator/page
>>> designers, I've found "Next Paragraph Tag" or "Next Style" definitions
>>> helpful as might be found when defining a "paragraph style."
>>>
>>> Is there a way to define the Column and Text Distance in a paragraph style?
>>
>> Column and Text Distances are features of text frames not of a Paragraph
>> Style. Here again, you might have a text frame, with or without content,
>> having the settings you want copied to another location and the content
>> edited/added.
>
> Ah, that makes sense - and there's no "text frame" style - I wasn't thinking
> and saw it in the Text Properties window along between Paragraph Effects and
> Optical Margins, both of which are in the Paragraph Styles options.
>
> I do like the "Style Manger" and it seems to be evolving well. The Table,
> Cell, and Line styles seem like placeholders for future work in this
> direction which will be very welcome.
>
>>
>> Greg
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:29:28 +0100
> From: dl <dl.li...@ntlworld.com>
> To: scribus@lists.scribus.net
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
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> Earlier I sent the following reply to only one correspondent. Sorry for
> the slipup now corrected.
>
> ...
>
> I write from the sidelines here since I am not a regular user of
> Scribus. However this topic seems to fall under the heading of dynamic
> changes and I do have an interest in /composing/ Scribus documents other
> than through the usual GUI.
>
> Now the Scribus script ScribusGenerator serves the purpose of editing
> Scribus to include variables.? The example cited is making dynamic
> templates of business cards but I find that ScribusGenerator can be used
> in a broader context to dynamically change document attributes. Follow
> the video tutorial by the script author.
>
> On a broader front (outside using Scripter) I have experimented with
> creating dynamic Scribus documents (from a local PHP server) by
> regarding the *.sla document as XML and processing XML in PHP. That
> works nicely and involves adding a custom PHP mime type so that PHP
> statements can be embedded into the Scribus document for processing. I
> can point to other uses of this method I researched.? For example
> embedded SVG files (also XML) can be so edited.
>
> Just some more options to consider.
>
> DL
>
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> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:28:46 +0200
> From: Peter Nermander <pe...@nermander.se>
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>> I'd like to be able to define a page format - optimally multiple - that I
>> can pre-design and assign to a document and then apply as editable. I
>> think I've exhausted the obvious mechanisms, I apologize for the
>> enumeration of the obvious but to save back and forth:
>>
>>
> I can't see anybody has mentioned the scrapbook.
>
> Design your page (place your frames etc). Select all objects on the page
> and Send to scrapbook. The page design is saved as an item in the scrapbook.
>
> Now, the key is to *not *drag and drop from the scrapbook when you want to
> create a page with the design, but to *double-click* the entry. That will
> insert the objects in the location they were when they were sent to the
> scrapbook.
>
> /Peter
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