Sorry to the guy I sent this to first. It's not directed at you, I meant it to go the list as a response: Brian runs and maintains this list. He can't censor you from saying anything because he doesn't have the means to outside of this list. However, he can and should if he is so inclined ask you very politely to limit your discussion to the general topic which is Sunny Day Real Estate. If you want to talk about Jets to Brazil so bad, take a little initiative and start a Jets to Brazil list. I'm sure they're a great band, but the only news I've gotten about SDRE from the SDRE-list in the last week is "Jets to Brazil is what Sunny Day wants to be." That's enough to piss me off thoroughly (and I'm sure a few other people on this list), even though it was probably meant as good-hearted fun. I personally wouldn't have a problem if someone posted a short e-mail to the SDRE-list saying a JTB list had been started and here's the address if you want to join; I think that would be a good thing. Instead, I am forced to thoroughly hate this band based on never having heard them before (although I've heard plenty bad about them, and the only good things I've heard about them are from posts to this list). Guess what, I think Burning Airlines and Elliott are two incredibly excellent bands to which people on this list might take a liking. But until I start my own list or someone else does, noone is going to be talking about them. You see, here's the problem: I for one am on a server that has a large number of users. Their is a large volume of mail going in and out everyday, and sometimes it can be a pain in the butt clearing my mailbox out before the server-master has to do it himself. I'm not looking for conversation from this list. I've never conversed through mail( I write very personal letters or messages or conduct business transactions), I usually try to do it voice to voice or at least real time as with Instant Messenger. I'm looking to receive updates, news, tourdates, even interesting opinions/good ideas about SDRE from this list. As long as it's Sunny D related, I'm all smiles. And this isn't the first set of Jets to Brazil posts that have come along. It happens every other week or so, it seems. Show a little gratitude to Brian by making his job a little bit easier, and show some manners to the rest of us by not filling our mailboxes with things we didn't solicit. With much respect, John Nicki wrote: > you gotta admit it-charlie's pretty right on.... > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 99-03-31 18:15:21 EST, you write: > > > > << Please folks. Let's stay on topic, shall we? This Jets to Brazil band > > seems to get brought up here a lot and I'm starting to develop a fond > > hatred for the band (and I've never even heard them). brian > > >> > > > > I may be blaspheming someone or something by bringing this up but I'll try to > > be as eloquent or meaningful and respectful as I know I can be. > > > > Brian, I understand you are well-connected with Sunny Day, and have produced a > > top quality home page for them, and probably eat dinner with Jeremy every > > other night or something. And you don't know me- for all you know I could be > > the president of Epic, or some moron who works at Taco Bell, or a vegan > > environmentalist who spends his day chained to trees. But I have a serious > > bone to pick with your statement here. > > > > Let's assume for a moment that I thoroughly understand the basic premise > > behind lists in general (because, as a veteran of many other lists, I really > > don't need a lesson in list rules & obedience). But I have seen a few people > > make unrelated comments about bands other than SDRE, well-read and coherent > > comments, only to have their sorta-meaningful discussion shot down by > > invisible authority figures. I do NOT accuse anyone of censorship, but this is > > unfair. > > > > I view lists as large rooms populated by all kinds of people who are there > > because they share a common interest. Some rooms are loud and obnoxious (the > > alt-country "Postcard" list is one example), and others are boring because, > > well, there is only so much discussion one can sustain with unseen pen-pals > > about tablatures and "my take on the latest song lyrics." In every room/list, > > conversation is organic, save those rooms/lists dominated by persons who seek > > to sustain interest in something by suppressing conversation about anything > > tangential. > > > > I understand that this is not a "genre" list, like an "emo" (whateverthehell > > that is) list, but a simple post about Jets to Brazil's album garnered no more > > than five responses, all with the heading "Jets To Brazil" so that anyone > > disinterested could delete appropriately, and the list moderator emerged from > > the shadows like a cantankerous substitute teacher telling the whispering > > students in the back of the room to "shut up and pay attention to the lesson." > > Wrong analogy? I certainly feel that way given your stated ignorance of Jets > > To Brazil above. Incidentally, I have been listening to Jets To Brazil for TWO > > WEEKS. I simply wanted to share my find with others who, because of their > > logging on to a Sunny Day site, might have either heard of 'em or liked 'em. > > And, conscious of the "topic at hand," I did not conceal a discussion of Jets > > To Brazil under any other heading. I put the band name and album name for any > > concerned to read. > > > > Before you tell me to go screw myself and that "if you don't like it, LEAVE," > > I would like to *once again* say that this list is the best I've been on in > > years. There are no flamers and rude remarks befitting an AOL chatroom, the > > level of conversation keeps my interest, the information is current and mostly > > rumor-free, and the personalities, from what I can tell, are sincere and > > funny. > > > > But I really, really don't like the fact that, simply because Brian hasn't > > heard of Jets To Brazil and has developed a random hatred for them, we all > > have to watch what we say. That is totally wrong and endangers the freedom of > > speech that should be present on lists of this caliber. > > > > I had high expectations of this list, and enjoy it, and certainly don't want > > to see it transformed into anything overblown or chaotic. But perhaps, given > > the incident above, it may be far less welcoming than I thought. > > > > Charlie
