ok, ive been replying to everyone privately about this subject, because i assumed that 
most vegans/veggies were well informed, believe me, when i first went veggie, i had 
enough people telling me what was in what, and what i couldnt eat...
so heres the deal (to back up my previous statements)...
alcohol. most commercial (this means NOT homebrewed) wines and hard liquors contain 
animals. this means that most are processed using gelitain, or even blood, and (now 
brought to my attention), are decolorized using bone-char filters (as sugar 
is)...these facts make commercial (mass produced and not you grandpa's ) alcohols 
NON-vegan/veggie.
beer...the head (fizz) is animal, pure and simple. its a slaughter house by-product 
containing protien. beer is not carbonated, so if you want it fizzy, you gotta put 
animals in it...beer is NOT vegan. (ok, homebrews may be...this is questionable, you 
can get rennet from veggies, and i have seen "natuarl beer" which claims to be 
vegearian)
cigarettes...aside from being excessively tested on animals, cigrettes contain 
glycerine, among other random bad things from animals. but although glycerin can be 
gotten from cruelty-free sources, it is really expensive and cigarette companies (at 2 
cents a pack) dont go for the expensive stuff.
thats it...sorry for taking up your space, but i was sick of answering all of the 
emails privately, i gotta go to bed....nitey nite.

mikie!



>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jamie elizabeth ramsay)
>To: "Mikie Lewinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [sdre-l]: vegan
>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:00:59 -0500 (CDT)
>
> but jeremy smokes (cigs have animals in them) and will and joe definately
>drink (alcohol has animals too)...so that cancels everyone out huh?
>>
>>mikie! (vegan...duh)
>>
>
>listen, chill on the old wives tales, my family is italian and we make our
>own wine and such and i cant ever recall my grandpa asking me for any
>animal part to stick in the mix.....just to keep everyone properly informed
>
>


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