actually... sonicnet has more than just "in circles" from the live album up for preview... it picks a random track from the live album and plays it when you go to that site. http://concert.sonicnet.com/concerts/world_premiere/main.jhtml go there, and go through all the stuff... and it plays a different track every time in it's little "tuner," which is slow and annoying and shows you ads and stuff. so i did a little research: pnm://rbn-sea4.rbn.com/sonicnet/sonicnet/demand/radio/sunny_day_real_estate/pillars_live28.ra pnm://rbn-sea4.rbn.com/sonicnet/sonicnet/demand/radio/sunny_day_real_estate/guitar_and_video_games_live28.ra pnm://rbn-sea4.rbn.com/sonicnet/sonicnet/demand/radio/sunny_day_real_estate/100_million_live28.ra pnm://rbn-sea4.rbn.com/sonicnet/sonicnet/demand/radio/sunny_day_real_estate/song_about_an_angel_live28.ra pnm://rbn-sea4.rbn.com/sonicnet/sonicnet/demand/radio/sunny_day_real_estate/in_circles_live28.ra if you feed those addresses into yr realplayer, it will play those files... the other songs from the album either aren't up there, or i can't figure out the file names of them... for you 56k users, i imagine it's the same thing except you replace "28" with "56" sonicnet wouldn't approve, but i'm sure you do :) anyway, it's hard to tell over a 28.8 modem for sure, but i'm already disappointed with the mixing of this record. oh yeah, and for all of you (a lot) who haven't been paying attention: the cd/2lp was recorded in eugene, or the track list is: Pillars Guitars & Video Games The Blankets Were The Stairs 100 Million Every Shining Time You Arrive Song About an Angel The Prophet J'Nuh Rodeo Jones In Circles Days Were Golden the video was recorded at the breakroom in seattle, wa 5/30/99 the track list is: Pillars Guitar & Video Games The Blankets Were The Stairs 100 Million Song About An Angel The Prophet Rodeo Jones In Circles J'Nuh -- and then it has the videos for "seven" and "in circles" ----- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] why should i? because: http://www.ysib.com/ sunny day real estate: http://www.sunnydayrealestate.com/ irc: "Famous" on EFNet, channels #SDRE and #YSIB -----