Here I go so please bare with me;
I have been listening very intently about this "diary" era vs. "hiftbso" era 
and I think that the differance between the new band and the old is pretty 
clear.  People enjoyed the old sdre because THEY DIDN'T PLAY CORPERATE 
MAINSTREAM ROCK.  At first listen, diary was "heavy" if nothing else.  I had 
to "train myself" as keith put it, to enjoy diary and lp2, but that's how I 
gauge a good album; If I like this immediately without ever hearing 
something similar, it's probably crap.  I don't mean to say that I feel all 
of these negative things that I'm saying here about hiftbso, because I 
don't, but man is that a wimpy album!  It's a lot harder to get people into 
"heavy" music than mid-tempo ballads; just ask a band like Aerosmith who 
release one wimpy single after another.  The new sound is just a part of the 
larger move by the band to be more "consumer friendly," and that's just 
fine, but you don't get to be underground rock gods like sdre did by makeing 
an album like hiftbso.  They did it by putting out two incredible, but more 
than anything, UNCOMPROMISEING lps.  I like the new stuff, but in the same 
way I like radiohead; as pop music. It takes talent, but it isn't all that 
brave a thing to do.  Hey, we all gotta eat.

Chris

"If you lay down with dogs,
you'll come up with fleas."





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i agree, "the ocean" belongs more on how it feels that anything else.  if 
you
ask me (and you didn't, but i'll tell you anyways) people listened to diary
because right off it's good, people listened to lp2 because right off it was
good, and people listened to hiftbso because it was sunny day, and they
conditioned themselves to like it... when i first poped it it, i was like...
this is sdre?  but 'cause i like em so much, i tried it again.  same thing
with the ocean, hell, half the damn list admited that they didn't like it or
know what to think about it first.  not saying  i don't like the new stuff,
its growing, but i'd like more of a raw energy that came with the first set
of albums.
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