the subject was driven into the ground but i have to speak none the less
i think most of you people are just wrong about the whole mature drumming 
thing     will doesn't suck now, i think he's still just as talented of a 
drummer, its just a little boring
while songs like seven or rodeo jones may have been a little hectic, the 
parts fit the songs very well
someone made the comment that anyone can learn to play lots of fast fills   
that's just not so   while how fast one can run down the toms may not but 
the ultimate measure of a good set drummer, it definitely shows something
i'm not crying for a return to the days of 'great songs, bad production' 
like diary or lp2, the 'maturity' that will shows now is just a little too 
restrained for me     it didn't bother me with hiftbso at all because the 
whole feel of the album was different and fancy-crap drumming would have 
sounded real dumb, but with trt, the band as a whole sounds like they're 
trying to go for that more aggressive sound of the old days at times (i.e. 
killed by an angel)and just a bit more of the fancy-crap drumming would just 
put a real nice finishing touch on the sound over-all
if anyone understands the point of all that, hats off

dave

p.s.  anyone know about grendel being played live?   i know its a very 
long-shot, but still, i'd shit myself to hear that song live
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