Hi Jarin,
  No worries about the double post, it happens from time to time (especially
if its you're first post here).

  When ever I look at Pivotal Tracker I'm struck by how you can only plan
the stories in it.  I know there are a baggilian different methodologies
that get lumped in to Agile, but I'm partial to XP as described by Kent Beck
himself here: http://rubyurl.com/SO2f [amazon] and more recently I've really
liked the conciseness and clarity of this little title
http://rubyurl.com/xySq [oreilly].  In both of those works the planning game
[1] has two parts.

 The customer (or voice of the user) works with the developers to determine
story cards go into the pile for a release.  Then the selected stories are
divided up by the developers into task cards (which say different things
than story cards) and done in iterations (of which there may be many of in a
release).  I find good users stories to be too big to just handle and I have
to break them up into little chunks of tasks to make head way.  Am I right
that you can't really handle that in Pivotal?  I feel like I have to be
missing something here.  How do you break down your stories?  Or do you have
smaller stories?  I've very curios as to you're work flow.

One tool I've been keeping a close watch on is scrumy.com as they seem to
have the simplecity thing melded with both stories and task planning... now
if only they could toss together an API (I won't put stuff in where I can't
get it out) I could get seriously behind it.

Lastly on this topic I have been thinking about it a lot over on my blog
http://notch8.com.  I'm looking lately at the various methodologies and how
XP and GTD are secretly two side of the same coin.

Best,
Rob

[1] They stopped calling it a game in the second book.  Too many people with
sticks in uncomfertable places that got upset about having something as
serious (ly boring) as planning meeting and Gannt charts reduced to a 'game'

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 12:26, Jarin Udom <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Oops sorry for the double post folks, for some reason my first post
> didn't show up for a while.
>
> On Jan 31, 4:09 pm, Jarin Udom <[email protected]> wrote:
> > After trying Basecamp, Lighthouse, Mingle, etc., I've become a huge
> > fan of Pivotal Tracker:
> >
> > http://www.pivotaltracker.com/
> >
> > It's quick, simple, and easy to use, and fits scrum/agile like a
> > glove.
> >
> > Jarin
> >
> > On Jan 30, 9:06 pm, GarethLAtWork <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> >
> > > I'm researching agile project management applications such as
> > > ScrumWorks, Rally, VersionOne for use at work.
> >
> > > 1)
> > > Does anyone in this group have a favorite application for managing
> > > projects?
> >
> > > 2)
> > > How much would it cost to get a custom open source application
> > > created, using RoR or something like it ?
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gareth.
> >
> >
> >
>

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