Wow. This has been a great thread. Lots of good ideas coming in. Obviously
this is a pain point for a lot of us.

Here's the breakdown of my results for each suggestion:

1) Using wine: I which I could trust it, but I can't. I got IE 7 working on
my machine, and it was super unstable, and it looked very different as an
app than it does on PCs. There could be some value in using it for initial
testing, but then I feel like you'd have to still find a real PC and test
again.

2) Litmus: Possibly great for that final run through when you want to prove
90 or 100% compatibility across browsers to your boss. Doesn't work for
testing ajaxy sites because you can only get a per-url screenshot.

3) VM Images available from microsoft: If you read the last couple of
comments on the referenced blog, you'll see that these are now encumbered
with license requirements if you try and convert them. (
http://www.russellheimlich.com/blog/walkthrough-setup-multiple-ie-virtual-machines-on-a-mac/
)

4) ie4osx.  This is the wine solution in a nice package for osx. Same
problems as mentioned in number 1.

5) Using the Amazon cloud: This is legit and it works. Great solution. Cost
is about $0.12/hr. No problems there.

6) VirtualBox: Looks like a great way to avoid paying for a Parallels
license. However, we run into the same problem with the Microsoft VPC issues
discussed in number 3.

7) Browserlab from Adobe: This offers the same core functionality as Litmus
with a few extra bells and whistles. You still run into the issue of not
being able to look deep into ajaxy sites and not being able to do real time
'poking around'.

So, despite that the list is so long full of great possibilities, it looks
like we have three options for my particular needs:
1) Borrow someone's PC for a while
2) Use Amazon or Browsercam to remote into a pc (to be fair there are
probably a bunch of other remoting services)
3) Find someone that has an old copy of one of those VPCs that came from
microsoft before they became license encumbered.

I'm going with a mix of 1 and 2.

Thanks again everyone,
--Jon

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Zach Little <[email protected]> wrote:

> Tweet from my friend @Merrick says this could help w/ cross browser
> testing...
>
> https://browserlab.adobe.com/index.html
>
> Zach
>
> On Jan 15, 2010 6:27 AM, "Thibaut Barrère" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> I've had google luck running the Microsoft provided VPC (as described
> here
> http://www.russellheimlich.com/blog/walkthrough-setup-multiple-ie-virtual-machines-on-a-mac/
> )
> under VirtualBox.
>
> Back when I did it, the tricky part wasn't running one of these VPC,
> but the second one (some VHD id duplicate issues if I recall well).
>
> Very quick, launch instantly - I stopped using Parallels once I had
> that.
>
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