Re: Murray/Hernstein

2000-10-29 Thread Bryan Caplan

Chris Rasch wrote:
 
 My current level of understanding of econometrics and statistics is such that I
 don't feel qualified to evaluate the arguments presented in the recent exchange
 between Brian and Chris regarding the merits (or lack thereof) of Murry and
 Herrnstein's research in The Bell Curve.  Assuming I wanted to remedy that
 situation, what texts would you recommend I study to learn the vocabulary and to
 at least recognize when a good (or bad) argument is being made?

I'm afraid you'd really need to go through a graduate econometrics
textbook to get the lingo down, and then hang around with practioners
for a while to get a feel for what they actually do.  I'm not too happy
with any graduate econometrics text, but I use Johnston and DiNardo.

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Re: Murray/Hernstein

2000-10-29 Thread Bryan Caplan

Chris Auld wrote:
 
 Bryan Caplan wrote:
 
  Most of these wind up being dependent variables at some point in their
  book.
 
 I'm not sure why that helps their case at all -- it's as if they've
 produced a whole bunch of reduced form equations, treating age,
 and, probably inappropriately, SES and AFQT as the only exogenous
 regressors.  Take any one of the outcomes they consider and the
 relevant related discussion.  Cast it as a study on that particular
 outcome.  Would it be accepted by any economics journal?  I don't
 think so -- so why should I think that if we put a couple of dozen
 of these together, we arrive at something compelling?

I think so.  Anyone can get one marginally convincing result.  But
getting hundreds shows something.  There is even a formal test using
this intuition - the p-lambda test.   Eight results (out of 10)
significant the 20% level, for example, could almost never arise from
pure chance. 

  variable.  I think there are good practical reasons not to do this, and
  there is a wealth of research that uses simplified indices in place of
  the kitchen sink (e.g. "Democracy" indices, "Rule of Law" indices, "Bank
  Failure" indices, etc.)
 
 Sure, but here there was no reason not to simply put the four variables
 in each regression, rather then the ad hoc index.

There's as much or as little reason to use an index in TBC as anywhere. 
Should they have put in each test sub-scale separately, too?

 
  My memory is not too good here - I read a few pieces by Heckman on this,
  but nothing that I remember reaching results that were "dramatically"
  different.
 
 You don't take it as problematic for M/H's conclusions that Heckman
 found there was no way to seperate the effects of intelligence from
 education?  

I don't think it's possible for them to show there's "no way" to do it. 
They could certainly point out data limitations, and offer their
judgment that these are insuperable.  But I wouldn't call that judgment
a "finding."

 That he and coathors showed the returns to intelligence
 vary markedly across subpopulations?

If there's "no way" to do it for the whole population, how did they
manage? :-)  Seriously, I'd expect that you could re-do almost anyone's
results this way.  In each case, you would learn more, but unless the
whole-sample results drastically reversed I don't see why it's so
interesting.

  What you call an "endogeneity problem" doesn't fit the usual textbook
  description.  Normally correlation among independent variables isn't a
  problem, though it complicates the interpretation if changing one
  variable almost always changes the other.
 
 I am referring to correlation between the error term and regressors as
 "endogeneity," which is of course the usual textbook defintion.

OK.

 Correlation amongst the independent variables is actually a problem (it
 reduces precision of the estimates), it's just not a problem that causes
 inconsistency.  

OK.

   That said, I'm not sure education, at least, is particularly
   well measured in most datasets, as we generally ignore quality measures.
 
  Well-measured compared to what?
 
 Lots of things (to take some obvious examples: gender, age, nationality,
 region of residence).  

OK, if that's your benchmark of quality.  It doesn't leave much.

   And recall M/H "solve" the colinearity problem they have between education
   and IQ by *dropping* education.  Some solution!
 
  Though it may appall you, many textbooks recommend it.
 
 Many textbooks recommend dropping a regressor, then interpreting the
 coefficients on the remaining regressors _as if_ the dropped regressor
 was still in the equation?  That's clearly not true.  What are these
 "many textbooks," out of curiosity (I can't recall ever reading anyone
 recommending that one "solve" colinearity problems by just tossing
 out regressors)?  And surely they note that such an exclusion affects how
 one should interpret the coefficients on the remaining regressors, no?

I'm sure they put it more circumspectly, but that's what it amounts to.
If you did a regression with both "what you said your education is" and
"what your brother said your education is" and the SEs on both exploded,
what would any econometrics prof tell you?  That "there's no way to
decide" which matters, and we have to be agnostic?  That's the purist
answer, but I think most practioners would tell you to drop the second
measure and call the results from the new specification the "return to
education."

   In spite of all
  of his reservations about TBC, Bill Dickens felt pretty comfortable with
  their omission.
 
 Perhaps Bill can explain why?

Alas, we are bereft of his wisdom here because of his other commitments.
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  "[W]hen we attempt to prove by direct argument, what is really
   self-evident, the reasoning will always be inconclusive; for it
   will either take for