Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-26 Thread Benny Amorsen
Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com writes:

 Okay - I'm not shooting from the hip here.  The driver in question is a
 Intel E1000 on a Poweredge 1650.  If you visit the Digium site and do other
 googling, you will see that there is a specific issue with asterisk and this
 hardware/driver combination.  I'm not really a fan of Dell, but I'm not
 dissing the whole line either.  I've probably spent 1000+ hours over the
 last 6 months compiling and re-compiling things for Asterisk, so think what
 you will.

Isn't this just the good old IRQ sharing problem turning up again? Newer
cards and newer drivers have fixed that.


/Benny



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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-26 Thread Danny Nicholas
No. But since I like to not be banned from this list, I won't elaborate any
further.

-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Benny Amorsen
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:11 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com writes:

 Okay - I'm not shooting from the hip here.  The driver in question is a
 Intel E1000 on a Poweredge 1650.  If you visit the Digium site and do
other
 googling, you will see that there is a specific issue with asterisk and
this
 hardware/driver combination.  I'm not really a fan of Dell, but I'm not
 dissing the whole line either.  I've probably spent 1000+ hours over the
 last 6 months compiling and re-compiling things for Asterisk, so think
what
 you will.

Isn't this just the good old IRQ sharing problem turning up again? Newer
cards and newer drivers have fixed that.


/Benny



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[asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Christian Victor
Hi!

A customer of mine wants to connect an asterisk system with 240 to 480 lines
to a PSTN switch. To save the costs for E1 cards and the corresponding E1
mainlines he wants to connect the system to the switch by a SIP trunk.

Phones will be connected to the server through the same SIP trunk as this
will be some kind of a hosted pbx.

Given he finds a provider wich has this much SIP capacity and IP bandwith
and no codec conversion is needed - do you think this is possible with pure
asterisk on a decent system? Is there anything I shoudl watch out for?

Your help is much appreciated!

Chris
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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Cary Fitch
First Issue to be addressed is how many simultaneous calls and bandwidth
availability.

 

Number of lines (numbers) is not a limitation in it self unless they are
all in use.

 

Cary Fitch

 

  _  

From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Christian
Victor
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:10 AM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

 

Hi!

A customer of mine wants to connect an asterisk system with 240 to 480 lines
to a PSTN switch. To save the costs for E1 cards and the corresponding E1
mainlines he wants to connect the system to the switch by a SIP trunk.

Phones will be connected to the server through the same SIP trunk as this
will be some kind of a hosted pbx.

Given he finds a provider wich has this much SIP capacity and IP bandwith
and no codec conversion is needed - do you think this is possible with pure
asterisk on a decent system? Is there anything I shoudl watch out for?

Your help is much appreciated!

Chris

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Danny Nicholas
Here are a few look outs;  Using conference rooms will increase your
bandwidth requirements.  On board Network controllers will affect
performance in this high-use scenario.  250 simultaneous calls will use
about 7.5Mb of bandwidth depending on the codec(s) you use.

 

  _  

From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Cary Fitch
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:54 AM
To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

 

First Issue to be addressed is how many simultaneous calls and bandwidth
availability.

 

Number of lines (numbers) is not a limitation in it self unless they are
all in use.

 

Cary Fitch

 

  _  

From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Christian
Victor
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:10 AM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

 

Hi!

A customer of mine wants to connect an asterisk system with 240 to 480 lines
to a PSTN switch. To save the costs for E1 cards and the corresponding E1
mainlines he wants to connect the system to the switch by a SIP trunk.

Phones will be connected to the server through the same SIP trunk as this
will be some kind of a hosted pbx.

Given he finds a provider wich has this much SIP capacity and IP bandwith
and no codec conversion is needed - do you think this is possible with pure
asterisk on a decent system? Is there anything I shoudl watch out for?

Your help is much appreciated!

Chris

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Grygoriy Dobrovolskyy
2009/3/24 Christian Victor christ...@victormedia.de

 Hi!

 A customer of mine wants to connect an asterisk system with 240 to 480
 lines to a PSTN switch. To save the costs for E1 cards and the corresponding
 E1 mainlines he wants to connect the system to the switch by a SIP trunk.

 Phones will be connected to the server through the same SIP trunk as this
 will be some kind of a hosted pbx.

 Given he finds a provider wich has this much SIP capacity and IP bandwith
 and no codec conversion is needed - do you think this is possible with pure
 asterisk on a decent system? Is there anything I shoudl watch out for?

 Your help is much appreciated!

 Chris

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If the switch is fine why not ? But i wander why kind if switch is that
240-480 fxo ? ;)
Sounds like a big overkill.
And i dont see a problem with asterisk, if not too much transcoding involved
and with the right hardware.
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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Christian Victor
2009/3/24 Cary Fitch ca...@usawide.net

  First Issue to be addressed is how many simultaneous calls and bandwidth
 availability.

 Number of “lines” (numbers) is not a limitation in it self unless they are
 all in use.

Sorry for being a bit unclear in this point. What I meant was 240 to 480
concurrent active calls.

Chris
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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Christian Victor
2009/3/24 Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com

  Here are a few “look outs”;  Using conference rooms will increase your
 bandwidth requirements.  On board Network controllers will affect
 performance in this “high-use” scenario.  250 simultaneous calls will use
 about 7.5Mb of bandwidth depending on the codec(s) you use.

I think we will use G.711a to prevent transcoding. So I calculate with 25 to
50 Mbit. I hope a dedicated 1GB Ethernet (although on board) will do it.

MeetMe will not be used.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Christian Victor
2009/3/24 Grygoriy Dobrovolskyy megaho...@gmail.com


 If the switch is fine why not ? But i wander why kind if switch is that
 240-480 fxo ? ;)
 Sounds like a big overkill.
 And i dont see a problem with asterisk, if not too much transcoding
 involved and with the right hardware.


 It's an ISDN telephony switch at a PSTN carrier. That type wich usually
connects T1/E1 lines to the telephony network but with SIP support built in.

Planned hardware is an AMD Opteron dualcore 2,3GHz with 4GB RAM.

Chris
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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Danny Nicholas
I use a Dell with the 1Gb Ethernet on board, but had to clock it down to 100
Mhz because * has an issue with Dell on board Ethernet.

 

  _  

From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Christian
Victor
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:47 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

 

2009/3/24 Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com

Here are a few look outs;  Using conference rooms will increase your
bandwidth requirements.  On board Network controllers will affect
performance in this high-use scenario.  250 simultaneous calls will use
about 7.5Mb of bandwidth depending on the codec(s) you use.

I think we will use G.711a to prevent transcoding. So I calculate with 25 to
50 Mbit. I hope a dedicated 1GB Ethernet (although on board) will do it.

MeetMe will not be used.

Chris

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Steve Edwards
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote:

 Using conference rooms will increase your bandwidth requirements.

How does conferencing consume bandwidth differently than bridging?

 On board Network controllers will affect performance in this high-use 
 scenario.

I know you've recently had problems with your on-board NIC, but is this an 
indictment of all on-board NICs?

Thanks in advance,

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Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Christian Victor
2009/3/24 Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com

  I use a Dell with the 1Gb Ethernet on board, but had to clock it down to
 100 Mhz because * has an issue with Dell on board Ethernet.

Ah - good to know. I think we will use SUN machines. But I'll keep that in
mind.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Danny Nicholas
Not at all, just Dell :)

-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:20 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote:

 Using conference rooms will increase your bandwidth requirements.

How does conferencing consume bandwidth differently than bridging?

 On board Network controllers will affect performance in this high-use 
 scenario.

I know you've recently had problems with your on-board NIC, but is this an 
indictment of all on-board NICs?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Edwards  sedwa...@sedwards.com  Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST
Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Stephen Davies
Hi,

We have a customer who used a strong quad-core Xeon box to convert up
to 800 simultneous calls from SIP to IAX and trunk them to another
box.

So your requirement doesn't look like a big problem.

Steve

On 3/24/09, Christian Victor christ...@victormedia.de wrote:
 Hi!

 A customer of mine wants to connect an asterisk system with 240 to 480 lines
 to a PSTN switch. To save the costs for E1 cards and the corresponding E1
 mainlines he wants to connect the system to the switch by a SIP trunk.

 Phones will be connected to the server through the same SIP trunk as this
 will be some kind of a hosted pbx.

 Given he finds a provider wich has this much SIP capacity and IP bandwith
 and no codec conversion is needed - do you think this is possible with pure
 asterisk on a decent system? Is there anything I shoudl watch out for?

 Your help is much appreciated!

 Chris


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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread David Gibbons
I have several Dell boxes running onboard Broadcom and Intel NICs any haven't 
had any issues. It's preposterous to make a blanket statement like that about 
all Dell hardware.

Maybe you should re-compile your drivers. Or have prosupport come put a new 
mobo in for you :).

-Dave

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Danny Nicholas
Okay - I'm not shooting from the hip here.  The driver in question is a
Intel E1000 on a Poweredge 1650.  If you visit the Digium site and do other
googling, you will see that there is a specific issue with asterisk and this
hardware/driver combination.  I'm not really a fan of Dell, but I'm not
dissing the whole line either.  I've probably spent 1000+ hours over the
last 6 months compiling and re-compiling things for Asterisk, so think what
you will.

-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of David Gibbons
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:27 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

I have several Dell boxes running onboard Broadcom and Intel NICs any
haven't had any issues. It's preposterous to make a blanket statement like
that about all Dell hardware.

Maybe you should re-compile your drivers. Or have prosupport come put a new
mobo in for you :).

-Dave

snip
Not at all, just Dell :)
/snip


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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere

Then say as long as you don't use an Intel E1000 on a Poweredge 1650, as 
I and others have had issues.  I also have many Dell Poweredge series 
with onboard NICs and no issues.

j

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote:

 Okay - I'm not shooting from the hip here.  The driver in question is a
 Intel E1000 on a Poweredge 1650.  If you visit the Digium site and do other
 googling, you will see that there is a specific issue with asterisk and this
 hardware/driver combination.  I'm not really a fan of Dell, but I'm not
 dissing the whole line either.  I've probably spent 1000+ hours over the
 last 6 months compiling and re-compiling things for Asterisk, so think what
 you will.

 -Original Message-
 From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
 [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of David Gibbons
 Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:27 PM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

 I have several Dell boxes running onboard Broadcom and Intel NICs any
 haven't had any issues. It's preposterous to make a blanket statement like
 that about all Dell hardware.

 Maybe you should re-compile your drivers. Or have prosupport come put a new
 mobo in for you :).

 -Dave

 snip
 Not at all, just Dell :)
 /snip


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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Steve Edwards
 On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote:

 Using conference rooms will increase your bandwidth requirements.

 On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Steve Edwards wrote:

 How does conferencing consume bandwidth differently than bridging?

 On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote:

 Not at all, just Dell :)

Dell's have a problem with increasing bandwidth in conferencing???

Just kidding, but back to my question...

How does conferencing consume bandwidth differently than bridging?

Thanks in advance,

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Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Danny Nicholas
It's actually a E1000 on Any POWEREDGE.  If yall want a rukus, I can trash
Dell all day.  That's not really what I had in mind though.

-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
LaCoursiere
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines


Then say as long as you don't use an Intel E1000 on a Poweredge 1650, as 
I and others have had issues.  I also have many Dell Poweredge series 
with onboard NICs and no issues.

j

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote:

 Okay - I'm not shooting from the hip here.  The driver in question is a
 Intel E1000 on a Poweredge 1650.  If you visit the Digium site and do
other
 googling, you will see that there is a specific issue with asterisk and
this
 hardware/driver combination.  I'm not really a fan of Dell, but I'm not
 dissing the whole line either.  I've probably spent 1000+ hours over the
 last 6 months compiling and re-compiling things for Asterisk, so think
what
 you will.

 -Original Message-
 From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
 [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of David
Gibbons
 Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:27 PM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

 I have several Dell boxes running onboard Broadcom and Intel NICs any
 haven't had any issues. It's preposterous to make a blanket statement like
 that about all Dell hardware.

 Maybe you should re-compile your drivers. Or have prosupport come put a
new
 mobo in for you :).

 -Dave

 snip
 Not at all, just Dell :)
 /snip


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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Danny Nicholas
Guess I made that one up.  Conference causes other concerns, but bandwidth
isn't one of them.  That's why they pay you the big bucks, Steve. :)

-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:03 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

 On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote:

 Using conference rooms will increase your bandwidth requirements.

 On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Steve Edwards wrote:

 How does conferencing consume bandwidth differently than bridging?

 On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote:

 Not at all, just Dell :)

Dell's have a problem with increasing bandwidth in conferencing???

Just kidding, but back to my question...

How does conferencing consume bandwidth differently than bridging?

Thanks in advance,

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Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Matt Riddell
On 25/03/2009 10:05 a.m., Danny Nicholas wrote:
 It's actually a E1000 on Any POWEREDGE.  If yall want a rukus, I can trash
 Dell all day.  That's not really what I had in mind though.

Hmmm, I've also had problems with the e1000 driver in the past but not 
on Dell - I seem to remember reading somewhere that the driver needed 
work - this was like 4 years ago or so - did newer kernels come with 
better e1000 drivers?

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Danny Nicholas
I downloaded the newest E1000 driver from the Intel site and tried it on a
1550 and 1650 with no joy.  So this isn't an attack on Dell, just a
verification of information I found and was trying to pass on to the
questioner.  It could just as easily be some function of SUSE 11.0 (a bone
for you Dell Defenders out there), but AFAIK it is a Dell/Intel issue.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:48 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with  250 lines

On 25/03/2009 10:05 a.m., Danny Nicholas wrote:
 It's actually a E1000 on Any POWEREDGE.  If yall want a rukus, I can trash
 Dell all day.  That's not really what I had in mind though.

Hmmm, I've also had problems with the e1000 driver in the past but not 
on Dell - I seem to remember reading somewhere that the driver needed 
work - this was like 4 years ago or so - did newer kernels come with 
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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Matt Riddell
On 25/03/2009 10:54 a.m., Danny Nicholas wrote:
 I downloaded the newest E1000 driver from the Intel site and tried it on a
 1550 and 1650 with no joy.  So this isn't an attack on Dell, just a
 verification of information I found and was trying to pass on to the
 questioner.  It could just as easily be some function of SUSE 11.0 (a bone
 for you Dell Defenders out there), but AFAIK it is a Dell/Intel issue.

Hmmm, I was using SuperMicro/e1000/Debian - although I don't seem to be 
having problems anymore.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP trunk with 250 lines

2009-03-24 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Danny Nicholas wrote:
 Okay - I'm not shooting from the hip here.  The driver in question is a
 Intel E1000 on a Poweredge 1650.  If you visit the Digium site and do other
 googling, you will see that there is a specific issue with asterisk and this
 hardware/driver combination.  I'm not really a fan of Dell, but I'm not
 dissing the whole line either.  I've probably spent 1000+ hours over the
 last 6 months compiling and re-compiling things for Asterisk, so think what
 you will.

This is the second time you've posted this today, but it's not correct.
There is no problem with *Asterisk* and these NICs, in fact it's highly
unlikely that Asterisk could ever have a problem with any NIC, since it
is a userspace application.

What you are referring to is an incompatibility with many E1000-based
NICs and *some* Digium telephony interface cards (not all, and I don't
know if other manufacturers cards are affected).

Please be very specific when making statements like this on mailing
lists, forums, wikis, etc. Comments such as yours tend to become
'gospel' and get repeated, causing people to have incorrect assumptions
and then become 'common knowledge', which is very hard to overcome :-)

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