Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Phyllis Smith]

In the Resources window comment field the addition of fps and codec have
been added.  This has been checked into GIT and is in the latest ubuntu16
build in the usual place.

In a old post/thread/issue (I don't remember) I had written that would be
> useful to have in Media, near the name of the video/audio some fields with
> the informations: fps, size, (codec?). It would be useful because you could
> see the info without open another window (Info window) for every file. I
> understand that it is not easy to implement that feature.
>
>
-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Sam]

On 12.04.19 21:47, Phyllis Smith wrote:


For me is better don't touch it. It help to undestand if rendering
will have any problem.

Y-GOR or E-GOR or I-GOR:
OK, will not touch it.  I will change the manual to say what to look 
at for check_frame_rate error.



2) "to convert" the fps inside Cinelerra-gg, like I have done with
your 61 fps video: in Resources->Media, select the video, RMB on
that video, choose "Info" option and change video's framerate.

I did not know you can do this -- I kept changing via Set Format menu.
BTW:  I could not get either the 61fps or the 119.88fps files to proxy 
even with MOV.  Is that correct?


Right, with 61 FPS and 119.88 FPS it doesn't work either.
I just found out how it works. As soon as I right-click on a video file 
in the Media tab and then go to Info in the context menu and change the 
FPS from 119.88 to 120 FPS, the m2ts and mpeg proxy creation works.
By the way, the m2ts format creates extremely small files with high 
image quality. I could reduce a 1 GB file to 50 MB with scale 1/2. This 
format is optimal for Proxy.
I only have the problem that I have to manually change the many 119.88 
FPS files to 120 FPS. It will take me some time. Now that I think about 
it, an overwrite function would be very useful. Maybe it would be a 
solution for the future to select multiple files in the media tab, and 
change the FPS for them, otherwise you always have to adjust every 
single file of many.





In a old post/thread/issue (I don't remember) I had written that
would be useful to have in Media, near the name of the video/audio
some fields with the informations: fps, size, (codec?). It would
be useful because you could see the info without open another
window (Info window) for every file. I understand that it is not
easy to implement that feature.

I do not think this would be difficult to do in the code BUT to add 
this to the comment field, you have to actually open the file to 
obtain that information.  Which means that when you load a lot of 
files, it is going to slow down.


By the way, in Resolve and PP the FPS for each file is always displayed. 
I would appreciate it if Cin could also display it, even if this reduces 
the loading time.





GG/Phyllis: "Eagle Eyes Igor"
My sister call me Ygor. Take a look at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo
Great movie (...and No Comment, please). =)

Had to laugh at this video.  Gene Wilder was in some funny movies -- I 
liked Blazing Saddles best!


-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Phyllis Smith]

>
> For me is better don't touch it. It help to undestand if rendering will
> have any problem.
>
Y-GOR or E-GOR or I-GOR:
OK, will not touch it.  I will change the manual to say what to look at for
check_frame_rate error.

>
> 2) "to convert" the fps inside Cinelerra-gg, like I have done with your 61
> fps video: in Resources->Media, select the video, RMB on that video, choose
> "Info" option and change video's framerate.
>
I did not know you can do this -- I kept changing via Set Format menu.
BTW:  I could not get either the 61fps or the 119.88fps files to proxy even
with MOV.  Is that correct?


> In a old post/thread/issue (I don't remember) I had written that would be
> useful to have in Media, near the name of the video/audio some fields with
> the informations: fps, size, (codec?). It would be useful because you could
> see the info without open another window (Info window) for every file. I
> understand that it is not easy to implement that feature.
>
I do not think this would be difficult to do in the code BUT to add this to
the comment field, you have to actually open the file to obtain that
information.  Which means that when you load a lot of files, it is going to
slow down.

GG/Phyllis: "Eagle Eyes Igor"
> My sister call me Ygor. Take a look at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo
> Great movie (...and No Comment, please). =)

Had to laugh at this video.  Gene Wilder was in some funny movies -- I
liked Blazing Saddles best!
-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Sam]

On 12.04.19 19:08, Igor BEGHETTO wrote:
GG/Phyllis quotes: Do either of you have a suggestion for a workaround 
in Proxy to be able to use a different fps? Something else "Override 
frame rate?"


For me is better don't touch it. It help to undestand if rendering 
will have any problem.


Same here.



Usually, the professional mode is ...
1) to convert the source video with a external program, like Eyeframe 
(unfortunately only for Windows program) or ffmpeg, to a friendy fps 
(and change GOP, GroupOfPictures).
2) "to convert" the fps inside Cinelerra-gg, like I have done with 
your 61 fps video: in Resources->Media, select the video, RMB on that 
video, choose "Info" option and change video's framerate.


In a old post/thread/issue (I don't remember) I had written that would 
be useful to have in Media, near the name of the video/audio some 
fields with the informations: fps, size, (codec?). It would be useful 
because you could see the info without open another window (Info 
window) for every file. I understand that it is not easy to implement 
that feature.


I agree with you Igor. If I had seen that it wasn't 120 FPS but 119.88 
FPS, then I would have come to the cause of the problem myself.





GG/Phyllis: "Eagle Eyes Igor"
My sister call me Ygor. Take a look at 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo

Great movie (...and No Comment, please). =)


Hahaha :-) I had to laugh very much about the video. Nice :)




IgorBeg

-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] How to use the Background Rendering?

[Phyllis Smith]

 but I believe that popularizing the Tutorials
>
and How to forum can be effective in attracting random visitors. Even
> if it doesn't seem so for now...
>
> I very much agree with this sentiment as it puts the GG version tutorials
in a place where random visitors can easily find them as opposed to 10 year
old cv videos that are still relevant but are outdated.  Many a time when I
find something new and it has a forum, I spend a lot of time going through
that forum just to see what is there.  gg/Phyllis
-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG/Phyllis quotes: Do either of you have a suggestion for a workaround 
in Proxy to be able to use a different fps? Something else "Override 
frame rate?"


For me is better don't touch it. It help to undestand if rendering will 
have any problem.

Usually, the professional mode is ...
1) to convert the source video with a external program, like Eyeframe 
(unfortunately only for Windows program) or ffmpeg, to a friendy fps 
(and change GOP, GroupOfPictures).
2) "to convert" the fps inside Cinelerra-gg, like I have done with your 
61 fps video: in Resources->Media, select the video, RMB on that video, 
choose "Info" option and change video's framerate.


In a old post/thread/issue (I don't remember) I had written that would 
be useful to have in Media, near the name of the video/audio some fields 
with the informations: fps, size, (codec?). It would be useful because 
you could see the info without open another window (Info window) for 
every file. I understand that it is not easy to implement that feature.


GG/Phyllis: "Eagle Eyes Igor"
My sister call me Ygor. Take a look at 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo

Great movie (...and No Comment, please). =)

IgorBeg
-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Sam]

You're right, it's actually 119.88 FPS. My camera shows me 120 FPS, 
apparently it rounds up automatically.


Sam

On 12.04.19 16:26, Phyllis Smith wrote:
Sam, thank you !! It is 119.88 fps which is not 120.  I can not 
believe this but I am glad to get to the bottom of this. Eagle Eyes 
Igor with the 61 fps discovery.  I was trying all kinds of things 
yesterday and getting absolutely no where. gg/phyllis


On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 8:16 AM Sam > wrote:


I have different frame rates. The event I recorded was mostly
recorded at 25 & 50 FPS. The recordings with 25 & 50 FPS are
converted into proxy files without any problems. Only the sports
close-ups were recorded with 120 FPS. These cause the error. I
will send you a file via your private e-mail address, then you can
test it. Let's see if you get other results.



-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Phyllis Smith]

Sam, thank you !! It is 119.88 fps which is not 120.  I can not believe
this but I am glad to get to the bottom of this. Eagle Eyes Igor with the
61 fps discovery.  I was trying all kinds of things yesterday and getting
absolutely no where.  gg/phyllis

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 8:16 AM Sam  wrote:

> I have different frame rates. The event I recorded was mostly recorded at
> 25 & 50 FPS. The recordings with 25 & 50 FPS are converted into proxy files
> without any problems. Only the sports close-ups were recorded with 120 FPS.
> These cause the error. I will send you a file via your private e-mail
> address, then you can test it. Let's see if you get other results.
>
>
-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Sam]

I have different frame rates. The event I recorded was mostly recorded 
at 25 & 50 FPS. The recordings with 25 & 50 FPS are converted into proxy 
files without any problems. Only the sports close-ups were recorded with 
120 FPS. These cause the error. I will send you a file via your private 
e-mail address, then you can test it. Let's see if you get other results.


Sam

On 12.04.19 15:40, Phyllis Smith wrote:


On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:25 AM Sam > wrote:


Igor, you're absolutely right. The video is rendered down to 61 FPS.
Well observed!
The project format is set to 25 FPS.

Sam / Igor:

Well I am very surprised!  Streamable took my 120fps and made it 61fps 
!!!  So I was continuously testing the original file that I had 
uploaded and you were testing the file that was downloaded and made 
into 61.


So now I downloaded the multilated 120fps.mp4 which was 61fps and it 
failed.


Thanks to both of you as this was driving GG crazy all day long. He 
says it is up to the codec as to whether or not it accepts a certain 
frame rate for encoding.  And we just discovered yesterday, no matter 
what you Set Format fps to, the proxy uses the original media fps always.


Sam, please check your large original camera files to see what its 
original fps is -- it must not really be 120fps or it should have worked?


Do either of you have a suggestion for a workaround in Proxy to be 
able to use a different fps?  Something like "Override frame rate ? "  
gg/Phyllis


-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Phyllis Smith]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:25 AM Sam  wrote:

> Igor, you're absolutely right. The video is rendered down to 61 FPS.
> Well observed!
> The project format is set to 25 FPS.
>
> Sam / Igor:

Well I am very surprised!  Streamable took my 120fps and made it 61fps !!!
So I was continuously testing the original file that I had uploaded and you
were testing the file that was downloaded and made into 61.

So now I downloaded the multilated 120fps.mp4 which was 61fps and it failed.

Thanks to both of you as this was driving GG crazy all day long.  He says
it is up to the codec as to whether or not it accepts a certain frame rate
for encoding.  And we just discovered yesterday, no matter what you Set
Format fps to, the proxy uses the original media fps always.

Sam, please check your large original camera files to see what its original
fps is -- it must not really be 120fps or it should have worked?

Do either of you have a suggestion for a workaround in Proxy to be able to
use a different fps?  Something like "Override frame rate ? "  gg/Phyllis
-- 
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Sam]

Igor, you're absolutely right. The video is rendered down to 61 FPS. 
Well observed!

The project format is set to 25 FPS.

Sam


On 12.04.19 11:03, Igor BEGHETTO wrote:

GG/Phyllis, thanks for the ub16 built.
1) I downloaded the ot7nz.mp4 file from "streamable.com" and I checked 
this file with ffprobe command. FFprobe says to me: 61fps 3601kbps 
1280x720. So, I think, streamable changes your video compression 
format even if I saw Sam's video with others parameters for the same 
video. Booh!
2) However I loaded ot7nz.mp4 video in Cinelerra-gg and I have got the 
same issue like Sam, also with .mov and .mpeg. If I change the bitrate 
of the file in Media (and in Settings-Format) from 61 to 60 then it 
works.


Could you give me the original video file 120fps.mp4 uploading it to 
datafilehost or other, please?
@Sam: your video source was to 120 fps but what is the Project's 
format? Thanks.


IgorBeg


Il 12/04/2019 0.35, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Later we will boot OpenSuse and see if we can get it to fail there.  
It still works here and I carefully compared what you did and even 
set the bitrate = 0.  Working demo:


https://streamable.com/u7hgi

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:59 PM Sam > wrote:


    I have used your file and get the same error message.

    Here is the video: https://streamable.com/vkav1

    In the console I also get the following error message:
    int FFMPEG::open_encoder(const char*, const char*):
    check_frame_rate failed /home/spc/cin-test/test.proxy2-mp4.m2ts
    failed=1 canceled=0
    int ProxyRender::create_needed_proxies(int):
    Error making proxy.


--
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG/Phyllis, thanks for the ub16 built.
1) I downloaded the ot7nz.mp4 file from "streamable.com" and I checked 
this file with ffprobe command. FFprobe says to me: 61fps 3601kbps 
1280x720. So, I think, streamable changes your video compression format 
even if I saw Sam's video with others parameters for the same video. Booh!
2) However I loaded ot7nz.mp4 video in Cinelerra-gg and I have got the 
same issue like Sam, also with .mov and .mpeg. If I change the bitrate 
of the file in Media (and in Settings-Format) from 61 to 60 then it works.


Could you give me the original video file 120fps.mp4 uploading it to 
datafilehost or other, please?
@Sam: your video source was to 120 fps but what is the Project's format? 
Thanks.


IgorBeg


Il 12/04/2019 0.35, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Later we will boot OpenSuse and see if we can get it to fail there.  
It still works here and I carefully compared what you did and even set 
the bitrate = 0.  Working demo:


https://streamable.com/u7hgi

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:59 PM Sam > wrote:


I have used your file and get the same error message.

Here is the video: https://streamable.com/vkav1

In the console I also get the following error message:
int FFMPEG::open_encoder(const char*, const char*):
check_frame_rate failed /home/spc/cin-test/test.proxy2-mp4.m2ts
failed=1 canceled=0
int ProxyRender::create_needed_proxies(int):
Error making proxy.


--
Cin mailing list
Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin