Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

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From: Andy Frame via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 10:25:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my
24. It has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the
transom, so now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and
more of a discolored patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the
season to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out
this coming winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area
down with after each outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it
is). Maybe something  as simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue
in nine months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Winch replacement

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

 I replaced mine  ( on my 27 ) with Lewmar EVO , chromed bronze, 7-year 
warranty and you can do the maintenance without tools.
They are on sale now at Defender..SylvainC MkIII

On Monday, March 28, 2022, 05:47:20 PM EDT, Dean McNeill via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Probably asked a lot before, but anyone know what winch would be a good 
replacement for Barient 25? I’m wanting to upgrade the primaries on my C 34 
which has the original 2 speed (but not self-tailing) winches.

I’m in Canada (nova Scotia) if that matters (in terms of where to order),  but 
will be making driving journey into South Carolina & Georgia in about a week.

Thanks, Dean

1980 C 34  

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[Andy Frame via CnC-List]

Yes, the Sail-8 has the integrated oil tank. It has a small pressure
leak, but it's not in a place that would sling the oil. It was most
likely because I had the cowl off working out a separate problem, while
it was running. I didn't notice it happening, but the amount was small,
so it would have been easy to miss.

Thanks for the detailed response, this is my first outboard, so a
learning experience.


On 3/28/2022 4:26 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List wrote:
> David and Andy,
> Most 2 cycle engines make for marine use in the past 25 years have oil 
> injector systems with a separate oil tank that independently mixes the 2 
> stroke oil with the gasoline inside the engines.  If your engine is flinging 
> oil up against the transom, it could be from a fitting on the oil tank and 
> pump.  This assembly is usually under the upper cowl of the engine and would 
> be pretty accessible.  You would probably find a significant amount of oil 
> covering the inside of the cowl as well.
> It is also possible that the staining might be coming from unburnt oil from 
> the exhaust, although that usually exits the engine behind or below the 
> engine.  Does the engine smoke excessively?
> If the oil seems to be coming from further down the engine and shaft, that 
> would indicate that it was a case of the final drive oil being considerably 
> over filled and is spewing out a vent hole.  Before I would run the engine 
> this way for an entire season,  I'd spend more time finding the source of the 
> oil splattering rather than doing an elaborate fix to protect the finish on 
> the transom.  These engines don't weigh very much and are not that tough to 
> remove from the transom bracket.
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Risch via CnC-List 
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:05 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: David Risch 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom
>
> Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to 
> protect it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I 
> got mine for a different application).
>
> I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and 
> not in a "flingable" location?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Frame via CnC-List 
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Andy Frame 
> Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom
>
>
> I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. 
> It has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, 
> so now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a 
> discolored patch where the oil has absorbed.
>
> I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the 
> season to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this 
> coming winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with 
> after each outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe 
> something  as simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?
>
> I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in 
> nine months.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> s/v MaryMe
> 1975 C 24
> Labelle, FL USA
> Amateur Radio WD4RCC

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[Andy Frame via CnC-List]

It was most likely because I had the cowl off working out a separate
problem, while it was running. I will likely have to do that from time
to time, thus my question.

Thanks for the clear-film suggestion.



On 3/28/2022 4:04 PM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:
> Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to 
> protect it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I 
> got mine for a different application).
>
> I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and 
> not in a "flingable" location?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Frame via CnC-List 
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Andy Frame 
> Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom
>
>
> I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. 
> It has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, 
> so now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a 
> discolored patch where the oil has absorbed.
>
> I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the 
> season to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this 
> coming winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with 
> after each outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe 
> something  as simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?
>
> I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in 
> nine months.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> s/v MaryMe
> 1975 C 24
> Labelle, FL USA
> Amateur Radio WD4RCC

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Winch replacement

[John Read via CnC-List]

Dean

Not quite sure what you mean by upgrade, but in my case the OEM winches were 
too small.  Boat came with Barients - #26 primary and #22 secondary and #10 
mainsheet.  I picked up 2 Barient #28 from this list as primary, moved the two 
#26 to secondary and one #22 to mainsheet.  HUGE improvement in trimming sails 
and still working just fine.  FWIW I disassemble, clean, grease and oil on a 
regular basis usually in spring.  All are aluminum drum and not self tailing as 
I do a fair amount of racing.  This list and Ebay are your friends.  Also 
suggest looking at Mass Marine in Quincy MA.  They are yacht salvage and have 
an extensive inventory of winches.  Tell John I said "hi".

John Read
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT

Stus-List Re: Winch replacement

[Dean McNeill via CnC-List]

Nope, Barient 25… took a picture of them yesterday. Maybe I should jump up a 
bit in size?
Dean


> On Mar 28, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Kevin & Renee Hartig via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s weird, my C 34 has Barient 27’s. Is that what you meant?
> 
> Ben
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 5:47 PM, Dean McNeill via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably asked a lot before, but anyone know what winch would be a good 
>> replacement for Barient 25? I’m wanting to upgrade the primaries on my C 
>> 34 which has the original 2 speed (but not self-tailing) winches.
>> 
>> I’m in Canada (nova Scotia) if that matters (in terms of where to order),  
>> but will be making driving journey into South Carolina & Georgia in about a 
>> week.
>> 
>> Thanks, Dean
>> 
>> 1980 C 34
> 



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Stus-List Re: Winch replacement

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Hi Dean,

I went with Anderson 50ST winches for the replacement primaries on my C
34.  I like the size which is physically similar in diameter to the
original Barients and they make winching in the genoa a lot easier than the
old tired non-self-tailing Barients.  I don't remember how the sizing
compares to the Lewmars but you can compare the specs. I would probably go
with the higher end Lewmars if I was to do it again, but the Anderson's are
fine. Note, the bolt pattern was not the same as the Barrient and I filled
and glassed in the old holes and redrilled to install the new winch / it
was part of a bigger refit fixing lots of holes and repainting the entire
deck so that wasn't a big issue for me.

Not sure regarding Canadian sources.  I ordered mine from Defender and they
shipped directly from the factory in 2020 - I believe Defender does ship to
Canada if you want.

Nathan Post
S.V. Wisper
1981 C 34 CB
Lynn MA USA

Stus-List Re: Winch replacement

[Kevin & Renee Hartig via CnC-List]

West marine currently has a buy one bet one free on lewmar winches. Not
sure on when it ends, but they apparently do it every year in February/
March
Cheers
Kevin Hartig
30 mkll Kilgharrah
Bellingham WA

On Monday, March 28, 2022, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Check out Defender's sale, going on now. They're in Waterford, CT.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 2:47 PM Dean McNeill via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Probably asked a lot before, but anyone know what winch would be a good
>> replacement for Barient 25? I’m wanting to upgrade the primaries on my C
>> 34 which has the original 2 speed (but not self-tailing) winches.
>>
>> I’m in Canada (nova Scotia) if that matters (in terms of where to
>> order),  but will be making driving journey into South Carolina & Georgia
>> in about a week.
>>
>> Thanks, Dean
>>
>> 1980 C 34
>
>

Stus-List Re: Winch replacement

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Check out Defender's sale, going on now. They're in Waterford, CT.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 2:47 PM Dean McNeill via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Probably asked a lot before, but anyone know what winch would be a good
> replacement for Barient 25? I’m wanting to upgrade the primaries on my C
> 34 which has the original 2 speed (but not self-tailing) winches.
>
> I’m in Canada (nova Scotia) if that matters (in terms of where to order),
> but will be making driving journey into South Carolina & Georgia in about a
> week.
>
> Thanks, Dean
>
> 1980 C 34

Stus-List Re: Winch replacement

[Bob Mann via CnC-List]

I went with used Lewmar 44's.  Something in the 42-48 range should work just 
fine.

Bob
Mystic
C mk I
Detroit

> On 03/28/2022 5:47 PM Dean McNeill via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
>  
> Probably asked a lot before, but anyone know what winch would be a good 
> replacement for Barient 25? I’m wanting to upgrade the primaries on my C 34 
> which has the original 2 speed (but not self-tailing) winches.
> 
> I’m in Canada (nova Scotia) if that matters (in terms of where to order),  
> but will be making driving journey into South Carolina & Georgia in about a 
> week.
> 
> Thanks, Dean
> 
> 1980 C 34

Stus-List Winch replacement

[Dean McNeill via CnC-List]

Probably asked a lot before, but anyone know what winch would be a good 
replacement for Barient 25? I’m wanting to upgrade the primaries on my C 34 
which has the original 2 speed (but not self-tailing) winches.

I’m in Canada (nova Scotia) if that matters (in terms of where to order),  but 
will be making driving journey into South Carolina & Georgia in about a week.

Thanks, Dean

1980 C 34

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Dave,
Below 4 or 5hp they almost all needed pre-mix.  I had a 2hp Yamaha just like 
yours.  No reverse gear either.. Just swing the engine the opposite direction!  
But I'm pretty sure the Sail-8 and Sail-9 Suzukis had auto-oiling systems for 
mixing the 2 stroke oil.
Chuck G.
-Original Message-
From: David Risch via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:29 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

Chuck...just dated myself big time!  

My little Yamy for the spare dinghy must be that old.  Still runs like a champ 
though!

-Original Message-
From: Novabraid via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:26 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

David and Andy,
Most 2 cycle engines make for marine use in the past 25 years have oil injector 
systems with a separate oil tank that independently mixes the 2 stroke oil with 
the gasoline inside the engines.  If your engine is flinging oil up against the 
transom, it could be from a fitting on the oil tank and pump.  This assembly is 
usually under the upper cowl of the engine and would be pretty accessible.  You 
would probably find a significant amount of oil covering the inside of the cowl 
as well.
It is also possible that the staining might be coming from unburnt oil from the 
exhaust, although that usually exits the engine behind or below the engine.  
Does the engine smoke excessively?
If the oil seems to be coming from further down the engine and shaft, that 
would indicate that it was a case of the final drive oil being considerably 
over filled and is spewing out a vent hole.  Before I would run the engine this 
way for an entire season,  I'd spend more time finding the source of the oil 
splattering rather than doing an elaborate fix to protect the finish on the 
transom.  These engines don't weigh very much and are not that tough to remove 
from the transom bracket.
Chuck Gilchrest



-Original Message-
From: David Risch via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:05 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to protect 
it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I got mine 
for a different application).

I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and not 
in a "flingable" location?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Frame via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. It 
has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, so 
now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a discolored 
patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the season 
to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this coming 
winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with after each 
outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe something  as 
simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in nine 
months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Chuck...just dated myself big time!  

My little Yamy for the spare dinghy must be that old.  Still runs like a champ 
though!

-Original Message-
From: Novabraid via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:26 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

David and Andy,
Most 2 cycle engines make for marine use in the past 25 years have oil injector 
systems with a separate oil tank that independently mixes the 2 stroke oil with 
the gasoline inside the engines.  If your engine is flinging oil up against the 
transom, it could be from a fitting on the oil tank and pump.  This assembly is 
usually under the upper cowl of the engine and would be pretty accessible.  You 
would probably find a significant amount of oil covering the inside of the cowl 
as well.
It is also possible that the staining might be coming from unburnt oil from the 
exhaust, although that usually exits the engine behind or below the engine.  
Does the engine smoke excessively?
If the oil seems to be coming from further down the engine and shaft, that 
would indicate that it was a case of the final drive oil being considerably 
over filled and is spewing out a vent hole.  Before I would run the engine this 
way for an entire season,  I'd spend more time finding the source of the oil 
splattering rather than doing an elaborate fix to protect the finish on the 
transom.  These engines don't weigh very much and are not that tough to remove 
from the transom bracket.
Chuck Gilchrest



-Original Message-
From: David Risch via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:05 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to protect 
it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I got mine 
for a different application).

I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and not 
in a "flingable" location?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Frame via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. It 
has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, so 
now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a discolored 
patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the season 
to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this coming 
winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with after each 
outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe something  as 
simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in nine 
months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

David and Andy,
Most 2 cycle engines make for marine use in the past 25 years have oil injector 
systems with a separate oil tank that independently mixes the 2 stroke oil with 
the gasoline inside the engines.  If your engine is flinging oil up against the 
transom, it could be from a fitting on the oil tank and pump.  This assembly is 
usually under the upper cowl of the engine and would be pretty accessible.  You 
would probably find a significant amount of oil covering the inside of the cowl 
as well.
It is also possible that the staining might be coming from unburnt oil from the 
exhaust, although that usually exits the engine behind or below the engine.  
Does the engine smoke excessively?
If the oil seems to be coming from further down the engine and shaft, that 
would indicate that it was a case of the final drive oil being considerably 
over filled and is spewing out a vent hole.  Before I would run the engine this 
way for an entire season,  I'd spend more time finding the source of the oil 
splattering rather than doing an elaborate fix to protect the finish on the 
transom.  These engines don't weigh very much and are not that tough to remove 
from the transom bracket.
Chuck Gilchrest



-Original Message-
From: David Risch via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:05 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to protect 
it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I got mine 
for a different application).

I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and not 
in a "flingable" location?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Frame via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. It 
has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, so 
now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a discolored 
patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the season 
to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this coming 
winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with after each 
outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe something  as 
simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in nine 
months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to protect 
it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I got mine 
for a different application).

I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and not 
in a "flingable" location?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Frame via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. It 
has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, so 
now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a discolored 
patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the season 
to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this coming 
winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with after each 
outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe something  as 
simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in nine 
months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom

[Andy Frame via CnC-List]

I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my
24. It has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the
transom, so now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and
more of a discolored patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the
season to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out
this coming winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area
down with after each outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it
is). Maybe something  as simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue
in nine months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC