Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Running Rigging
On SLY, the prior owner was all about weight forward. They moved the batteries forward to under the V-birth port side and added a second fuel tank under the settee to starboard and would keep the aft tank empty. When we acquired the boat we kept these changes and also lengthened the tiller a bit so the helmsman sits against the house. Except during tacks and jibes and sail trims the crew is forward of the helmsman but concentrated just forward of her. We get good boat speed out of this arrangement. In the day when we raced regularly we seldom raced with a full compliment of crew and were lucky to have 4. In our opinion this arrangement is most effective in light and medium air, while going to windward. Down wind, not so much. Just my thoughts. Dave. SLY 1975 C 33 Sent from my iPad > On Dec 8, 2018, at 6:42 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote: > > We move crew fore and aft so the water exits the clean from the bottom of the > transom without curling. Max water line without a stern curl is our > philosophy. It's the responsibility of the helmsperson to glance down every > now and then to monitor stern curl. > > For the same reason we may move crew across boat to maintain minimum 10-12 > degrees of heel. Max waterline. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 9:16 PM Donald Kern via CnC-List >> wrote: >> Alan, I find that my 35 Mk2 is sensitive to crew forward of the mast, thus >> the only time I like to have crew forward of the mast is for sail set ups >> and sail changes. Thus in spinnaker take down I have one person in cabin >> and two hauling the chute down. Normal racing crew is 6 or 7. Also race on >> a J30 and find on her that crew forward is good and only have two aft of the >> cabin companionway (helm & mainsheet/tactician), Normal crew on her is the >> same, 6 or 7. >> Would also like to know what others think about fore-aft trim on the older >> C >> >> Don Kern >> Fireball C 35 MK2 >> Bristol, RI >> >>> On 12/7/2018 7:00 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote: >>> My arrangement is similar to yours, Don. The spinnaker guy has a shackle >>> with a large bale The sheet is attached to the guy and the guy is attached >>> to the spinnaker clew. I have a two or three inch diameter disk on the guy >>> just aft of the shackle which prevents the shackle from getting caught in >>> the jaws of the pole. My guy goes to a pad-eye just aft of the shrouds, and >>> the sheet to a block on the rail all the way aft. When dropping the chute, >>> we drop it under the jib, and down the forward hatch. That keeps the >>> companionway clear, and the spinnaker doesn't tangle with the cockpit crew. >>> >>> Alan Bergen >>> 35 Mk III Thirsty >>> Rose City YC >>> Portland, OR >>> >>> Don Kern via CnC-List >>> 1:08 PM (2 hours ago) >>> >>> Reply >>> >>> to cnc-list, Don >>> >>> I race quite a bit (more than I cruise) and I have not used the reaching >>> strut in years, though it carried below on the shelf above the v-berth. We >>> use both a sheet and a guy attached to each clue. The sheet is lead to a >>> turning blocks at the aft most opening on the toe rail, the guy is lead to >>> a snatch block on the toe rail about a foot aft of the lower-aft shroud, >>> then inboard aft to the cockpit. In light air we will drop the guy and >>> just go with the sheet. The shackle of the guy is normally hooked into the >>> ring of the sheet's shackle. For spinnaker take downs we grab the lazy guy, >>> easy since there is no tension on it, lead it over the life line down the >>> companionway into cabin. Then let the pole go forward and blow the sheet's >>> shackle (guy is hooked into the sheet) and haul the chute down behind the >>> main. Two other advantages with this arrangement is that with the guy led >>> into the toe rail amidships it also acts as a pole downhaul and when >>> running dead before the wind, in very heavy blow we choke the spinnaker >>> with the lazy guy to inhibit death roles. >>> Don Kern >>> Fireball C MK2 >>> Bristol, RI >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >>> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Running Rigging
We move crew fore and aft so the water exits the clean from the bottom of the transom without curling. Max water line without a stern curl is our philosophy. It's the responsibility of the helmsperson to glance down every now and then to monitor stern curl. For the same reason we may move crew across boat to maintain minimum 10-12 degrees of heel. Max waterline. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 9:16 PM Donald Kern via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Alan, I find that my 35 Mk2 is sensitive to crew forward of the mast, > thus the only time I like to have crew forward of the mast is for sail set > ups and sail changes. Thus in spinnaker take down I have one person in > cabin and two hauling the chute down. Normal racing crew is 6 or 7. Also > race on a J30 and find on her that crew forward is good and only have two > aft of the cabin companionway (helm & mainsheet/tactician), Normal crew on > her is the same, 6 or 7. > > Would also like to know what others think about fore-aft trim on the older > C > Don Kern > Fireball C 35 MK2 > Bristol, RI > > > On 12/7/2018 7:00 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote: > > My arrangement is similar to yours, Don. The spinnaker guy has a shackle > with a large bale The sheet is attached to the guy and the guy is attached > to the spinnaker clew. I have a two or three inch diameter disk on the guy > just aft of the shackle which prevents the shackle from getting caught in > the jaws of the pole. My guy goes to a pad-eye just aft of the shrouds, and > the sheet to a block on the rail all the way aft. When dropping the chute, > we drop it under the jib, and down the forward hatch. That keeps the > companionway clear, and the spinnaker doesn't tangle with the cockpit crew. > > Alan Bergen > 35 Mk III Thirsty > Rose City YC > Portland, OR > Don Kern via CnC-List > 1:08 PM (2 hours ago) > > Reply > to cnc-list, Don > > I race quite a bit (more than I cruise) and I have not used the reaching > strut in years, though it carried below on the shelf above the v-berth. We > use both a sheet and a guy attached to each clue. The sheet is lead to a > turning blocks at the aft most opening on the toe rail, the guy is lead to > a snatch block on the toe rail about a foot aft of the lower-aft shroud, > then inboard aft to the cockpit. In light air we will drop the guy and > just go with the sheet. The shackle of the guy is normally hooked into the > ring of the sheet's shackle. For spinnaker take downs we grab the lazy guy, > easy since there is no tension on it, lead it over the life line down the > companionway into cabin. Then let the pole go forward and blow the sheet's > shackle (guy is hooked into the sheet) and haul the chute down behind the > main. Two other advantages with this arrangement is that with the guy led > into the toe rail amidships it also acts as a pole downhaul and when > running dead before the wind, in very heavy blow we choke the spinnaker > with the lazy guy to inhibit death roles. > Don Kern > Fireball C MK2 > Bristol, RI > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Running Rigging
Alan, I find that my 35 Mk2 is sensitive to crew forward of the mast, thus the only time I like to have crew forward of the mast is for sail set ups and sail changes. Thus in spinnaker take down I have one person in cabin and two hauling the chute down. Normal racing crew is 6 or 7. Also race on a J30 and find on her that crew forward is good and only have two aft of the cabin companionway (helm & mainsheet/tactician), Normal crew on her is the same, 6 or 7. Would also like to know what others think about fore-aft trim on the older C Don Kern Fireball C 35 MK2 Bristol, RI On 12/7/2018 7:00 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote: My arrangement is similar to yours, Don. The spinnaker guy has a shackle with a large bale The sheet is attached to the guy and the guy is attached to the spinnaker clew. I have a two or three inch diameter disk on the guy just aft of the shackle which prevents the shackle from getting caught in the jaws of the pole. My guy goes to a pad-eye just aft of the shrouds, and the sheet to a block on the rail all the way aft. When dropping the chute, we drop it under the jib, and down the forward hatch. That keeps the companionway clear, and the spinnaker doesn't tangle with the cockpit crew. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR Don Kern via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 1:08 PM (2 hours ago) Reply to cnc-list, Don I race quite a bit (more than I cruise) and I have not used the reaching strut in years, though it carried below on the shelf above the v-berth. We use both a sheet and a guy attached to each clue. The sheet is lead to a turning blocks at the aft most opening on the toe rail, the guy is lead to a snatch block on the toe rail about a foot aft of the lower-aft shroud, then inboard aft to the cockpit. In light air we will drop the guy and just go with the sheet. The shackle of the guy is normally hooked into the ring of the sheet's shackle. For spinnaker take downs we grab the lazy guy, easy since there is no tension on it, lead it over the life line down the companionway into cabin. Then let the pole go forward and blow the sheet's shackle (guy is hooked into the sheet) and haul the chute down behind the main. Two other advantages with this arrangement is that with the guy led into the toe rail amidships it also acts as a pole downhaul and when running dead before the wind, in very heavy blow we choke the spinnaker with the lazy guy to inhibit death roles. Don Kern Fireball C MK2 Bristol, RI ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Spinnaker Running Rigging
My arrangement is similar to yours, Don. The spinnaker guy has a shackle with a large bale The sheet is attached to the guy and the guy is attached to the spinnaker clew. I have a two or three inch diameter disk on the guy just aft of the shackle which prevents the shackle from getting caught in the jaws of the pole. My guy goes to a pad-eye just aft of the shrouds, and the sheet to a block on the rail all the way aft. When dropping the chute, we drop it under the jib, and down the forward hatch. That keeps the companionway clear, and the spinnaker doesn't tangle with the cockpit crew. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR Don Kern via CnC-List 1:08 PM (2 hours ago) Reply to cnc-list, Don I race quite a bit (more than I cruise) and I have not used the reaching strut in years, though it carried below on the shelf above the v-berth. We use both a sheet and a guy attached to each clue. The sheet is lead to a turning blocks at the aft most opening on the toe rail, the guy is lead to a snatch block on the toe rail about a foot aft of the lower-aft shroud, then inboard aft to the cockpit. In light air we will drop the guy and just go with the sheet. The shackle of the guy is normally hooked into the ring of the sheet's shackle. For spinnaker take downs we grab the lazy guy, easy since there is no tension on it, lead it over the life line down the companionway into cabin. Then let the pole go forward and blow the sheet's shackle (guy is hooked into the sheet) and haul the chute down behind the main. Two other advantages with this arrangement is that with the guy led into the toe rail amidships it also acts as a pole downhaul and when running dead before the wind, in very heavy blow we choke the spinnaker with the lazy guy to inhibit death roles. Don Kern Fireball C MK2 Bristol, RI ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
