RE: Cocoon on a read-only medium
From: Matthias Fischer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What would you need on the harddisk to get the CD application running, or what would be put out onto the harddisk by the application while it is running? I guess, you can't do without Java+Tomcat+Cocoon (XALAN, XERXES, FOP etc.) on the HD. You can. Or do you rellay mean you put everything on a CD, together with the data, and get an PDF/HTMLoutput from such a stand-alone application running the CD on any (customer) machine without any previous adaptations? Yes. The CD I put together have: * JDK, * Resin (or Tomcat, does not matter), * webapp. That's all I need to get my application running. Obviously, webapp contains all necessary libraries: * Avalon, Excalibur * Cocoon, regexp, jTidy, logkit, xalan, xerces, etc. Do you have any practical experience in creating an distributing CD applications to customers? It's relatively easy to put together autorun and have CD started automatically, with no installation steps required. Only thing you need from the customer machine is the free IP port (8080 or any other). You can even put Perl on the CD and have some startup/shutdown scripts. Vadim Has anyone else? Matthias -Original Message- From: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cocoon on a read-only medium From: JÃrn Heid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Is it possible to run Cocoon on a CD (without having the possibility to write anything)? Yes. You won't get any logs, everything else is Ok. I think you can precompile all(?) of the dynamic content, Yes. but doesn't Cocoon generate the sitemap at every startup? No. Can logging be completly disabled? Or can I set the output dir to java.io.tmpdir? I don't know. I have an exception from logger when running from the CD, and I can live without logs. Vadim - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cocoon on a read-only medium
- Original Message - From: Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or do you rellay mean you put everything on a CD, together with the data, and get an PDF/HTMLoutput from such a stand-alone application running the CD on any (customer) machine without any previous adaptations? Yes. The CD I put together have: * JDK, * Resin (or Tomcat, does not matter), * webapp. That's all I need to get my application running. Obviously, webapp contains all necessary libraries: * Avalon, Excalibur * Cocoon, regexp, jTidy, logkit, xalan, xerces, etc. Do you have any practical experience in creating an distributing CD applications to customers? It's relatively easy to put together autorun and have CD started automatically, with no installation steps required. Only thing you need from the customer machine is the free IP port (8080 or any other). You can even put Perl on the CD and have some startup/shutdown scripts. Are there any licensing problems distributing these software on CD? - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cocoon on a read-only medium
From: Robert Koberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Original Message - From: Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or do you rellay mean you put everything on a CD, together with the data, and get an PDF/HTMLoutput from such a stand-alone application running the CD on any (customer) machine without any previous adaptations? Yes. The CD I put together have: * JDK, * Resin (or Tomcat, does not matter), * webapp. That's all I need to get my application running. Obviously, webapp contains all necessary libraries: * Avalon, Excalibur * Cocoon, regexp, jTidy, logkit, xalan, xerces, etc. Do you have any practical experience in creating an distributing CD applications to customers? It's relatively easy to put together autorun and have CD started automatically, with no installation steps required. Only thing you need from the customer machine is the free IP port (8080 or any other). You can even put Perl on the CD and have some startup/shutdown scripts. Are there any licensing problems distributing these software on CD? Don't know - I do not distribute and I'm not a lawyer. Assuming that all software included either apache-style license, or Sun's JDK license (Binary Code License Agreement), or Resin license (free for non-commercial use), I'm quite sure that there is no reason to have a license issue unless you sell these CDs. Here is excerpt from Sun's license: --- 2. License to Distribute Software. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, including, but not limited to Section 4 (Java (TM) Technology Restrictions) of these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license to reproduce and distribute the Software in binary code form only, provided that (i) you distribute the Software complete and unmodified and only bundled as part of, and for the sole purpose of running, your Programs, (ii) the Programs add significant and primary functionality to the Software, (iii) you do not distribute additional software intended to replace any component(s) of the Software, (iv) you do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or notices contained in the Software, (v) you only distribute the Software subject to a license agreement that protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms contained in this Agreement, and (vi) you agree to defend and indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred in connection with any claim, lawsuit or action by any third party that arises or results from the use or distribution of any and all Programs and/or Software. --- Vadim - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cocoon on a read-only medium
copied from MS: Creating an AutoRun-enabled CD-ROM application is a straightforward procedure. You simply include two essential files: a.. An Autorun.inf file b.. A startup application When a user inserts a disc into a CD-ROM drive on a AutoRun-compatible computer, the system immediately checks to see if the disc has a personal computer file system. If it does, the system searches for a file named Autorun.inf. This file specifies a setup application that will be run, along with a variety of optional settings. The startup application typically installs, uninstalls, configures, and perhaps runs the application. --- the .inf doc is plain text so no need for the exe! - Original Message - From: Jorn Heid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: AW: Cocoon on a read-only medium I thought about using Jetty for that. It's free and it's possible to use it as a read only server. Creating a exe (autostart) should be quite easy with JEXE. As it's all Java (except that autostart exe for Windows) it should be very easy to distribute. -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2002 16:42 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: Cocoon on a read-only medium From: Robert Koberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Original Message - From: Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or do you rellay mean you put everything on a CD, together with the data, and get an PDF/HTMLoutput from such a stand-alone application running the CD on any (customer) machine without any previous adaptations? Yes. The CD I put together have: * JDK, * Resin (or Tomcat, does not matter), * webapp. That's all I need to get my application running. Obviously, webapp contains all necessary libraries: * Avalon, Excalibur * Cocoon, regexp, jTidy, logkit, xalan, xerces, etc. Do you have any practical experience in creating an distributing CD applications to customers? It's relatively easy to put together autorun and have CD started automatically, with no installation steps required. Only thing you need from the customer machine is the free IP port (8080 or any other). You can even put Perl on the CD and have some startup/shutdown scripts. Are there any licensing problems distributing these software on CD? Don't know - I do not distribute and I'm not a lawyer. Assuming that all software included either apache-style license, or Sun's JDK license (Binary Code License Agreement), or Resin license (free for non-commercial use), I'm quite sure that there is no reason to have a license issue unless you sell these CDs. Here is excerpt from Sun's license: --- 2. License to Distribute Software. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, including, but not limited to Section 4 (Java (TM) Technology Restrictions) of these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license to reproduce and distribute the Software in binary code form only, provided that (i) you distribute the Software complete and unmodified and only bundled as part of, and for the sole purpose of running, your Programs, (ii) the Programs add significant and primary functionality to the Software, (iii) you do not distribute additional software intended to replace any component(s) of the Software, (iv) you do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or notices contained in the Software, (v) you only distribute the Software subject to a license agreement that protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms contained in this Agreement, and (vi) you agree to defend and indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred in connection with any claim, lawsuit or action by any third party that arises or results from the use or distribution of any and all Programs and/or Software. --- Vadim - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cocoon on a read-only medium
actually - you need the EXE. Launching documents directly from the autorun.inf is error prone, and unreliable. There is another technotes out there that basically points out that the type of exec call they use is not the ShellOpen but rather a lower leve exec so the program needs to be an EXE or a COM file. I've been bit by that before. The wierd thing is that the document only will work on some versions, but not others. -- From: Robert Koberg[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cocoon on a read-only medium copied from MS: Creating an AutoRun-enabled CD-ROM application is a straightforward procedure. You simply include two essential files: a.. An Autorun.inf file b.. A startup application When a user inserts a disc into a CD-ROM drive on a AutoRun-compatible computer, the system immediately checks to see if the disc has a personal computer file system. If it does, the system searches for a file named Autorun.inf. This file specifies a setup application that will be run, along with a variety of optional settings. The startup application typically installs, uninstalls, configures, and perhaps runs the application. --- the .inf doc is plain text so no need for the exe! - Original Message - From: Jorn Heid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: AW: Cocoon on a read-only medium I thought about using Jetty for that. It's free and it's possible to use it as a read only server. Creating a exe (autostart) should be quite easy with JEXE. As it's all Java (except that autostart exe for Windows) it should be very easy to distribute. -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2002 16:42 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: Cocoon on a read-only medium From: Robert Koberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Original Message - From: Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or do you rellay mean you put everything on a CD, together with the data, and get an PDF/HTMLoutput from such a stand-alone application running the CD on any (customer) machine without any previous adaptations? Yes. The CD I put together have: * JDK, * Resin (or Tomcat, does not matter), * webapp. That's all I need to get my application running. Obviously, webapp contains all necessary libraries: * Avalon, Excalibur * Cocoon, regexp, jTidy, logkit, xalan, xerces, etc. Do you have any practical experience in creating an distributing CD applications to customers? It's relatively easy to put together autorun and have CD started automatically, with no installation steps required. Only thing you need from the customer machine is the free IP port (8080 or any other). You can even put Perl on the CD and have some startup/shutdown scripts. Are there any licensing problems distributing these software on CD? Don't know - I do not distribute and I'm not a lawyer. Assuming that all software included either apache-style license, or Sun's JDK license (Binary Code License Agreement), or Resin license (free for non-commercial use), I'm quite sure that there is no reason to have a license issue unless you sell these CDs. Here is excerpt from Sun's license: --- 2. License to Distribute Software. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, including, but not limited to Section 4 (Java (TM) Technology Restrictions) of these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license to reproduce and distribute the Software in binary code form only, provided that (i) you distribute the Software complete and unmodified and only bundled as part of, and for the sole purpose of running, your Programs, (ii) the Programs add significant and primary functionality to the Software, (iii) you do not distribute additional software intended to replace any component(s) of the Software, (iv) you do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or notices contained in the Software, (v) you only distribute the Software subject to a license agreement that protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms contained in this Agreement, and (vi) you agree to defend and indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred in connection with any claim, lawsuit or action by any third party that arises or results from the use or distribution of any and all Programs and/or Software. --- Vadim
Re: Cocoon on a read-only medium
I'll admit it has been a while since I dealt with this (and then I just set an option in Toast's gui), but does using the exe override the user's setting if it is set to don't autorun? - Original Message - From: Lewis, Andrew J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: RE: Cocoon on a read-only medium actually - you need the EXE. Launching documents directly from the autorun.inf is error prone, and unreliable. There is another technotes out there that basically points out that the type of exec call they use is not the ShellOpen but rather a lower leve exec so the program needs to be an EXE or a COM file. I've been bit by that before. The wierd thing is that the document only will work on some versions, but not others. -- From: Robert Koberg[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cocoon on a read-only medium copied from MS: Creating an AutoRun-enabled CD-ROM application is a straightforward procedure. You simply include two essential files: a.. An Autorun.inf file b.. A startup application When a user inserts a disc into a CD-ROM drive on a AutoRun-compatible computer, the system immediately checks to see if the disc has a personal computer file system. If it does, the system searches for a file named Autorun.inf. This file specifies a setup application that will be run, along with a variety of optional settings. The startup application typically installs, uninstalls, configures, and perhaps runs the application. --- the .inf doc is plain text so no need for the exe! - Original Message - From: Jorn Heid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: AW: Cocoon on a read-only medium I thought about using Jetty for that. It's free and it's possible to use it as a read only server. Creating a exe (autostart) should be quite easy with JEXE. As it's all Java (except that autostart exe for Windows) it should be very easy to distribute. -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2002 16:42 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: Cocoon on a read-only medium From: Robert Koberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Original Message - From: Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or do you rellay mean you put everything on a CD, together with the data, and get an PDF/HTMLoutput from such a stand-alone application running the CD on any (customer) machine without any previous adaptations? Yes. The CD I put together have: * JDK, * Resin (or Tomcat, does not matter), * webapp. That's all I need to get my application running. Obviously, webapp contains all necessary libraries: * Avalon, Excalibur * Cocoon, regexp, jTidy, logkit, xalan, xerces, etc. Do you have any practical experience in creating an distributing CD applications to customers? It's relatively easy to put together autorun and have CD started automatically, with no installation steps required. Only thing you need from the customer machine is the free IP port (8080 or any other). You can even put Perl on the CD and have some startup/shutdown scripts. Are there any licensing problems distributing these software on CD? Don't know - I do not distribute and I'm not a lawyer. Assuming that all software included either apache-style license, or Sun's JDK license (Binary Code License Agreement), or Resin license (free for non-commercial use), I'm quite sure that there is no reason to have a license issue unless you sell these CDs. Here is excerpt from Sun's license: --- 2. License to Distribute Software. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, including, but not limited to Section 4 (Java (TM) Technology Restrictions) of these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license to reproduce and distribute the Software in binary code form only, provided that (i) you distribute the Software complete and unmodified and only bundled as part of, and for the sole purpose of running, your Programs, (ii) the Programs add significant and primary functionality to the Software, (iii) you do not distribute additional software intended to replace any component(s) of the Software, (iv) you do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or notices contained in the Software, (v) you only distribute the Software subject to a license agreement that protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms contained in this Agreement, and (vi) you agree to defend
RE: Cocoon on a read-only medium
From: JÃrn Heid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Is it possible to run Cocoon on a CD (without having the possibility to write anything)? Yes. You won't get any logs, everything else is Ok. I think you can precompile all(?) of the dynamic content, Yes. but doesn't Cocoon generate the sitemap at every startup? No. Can logging be completly disabled? Or can I set the output dir to java.io.tmpdir? I don't know. I have an exception from logger when running from the CD, and I can live without logs. Vadim - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
