Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Stefan Fröbe]

Hi guys,

as I wrote before ( but the message did apparently not hit the list since I
used a different email address ) I had the hardware fix applied on friday
but used a 0603 cap instead, which fit quite nicely.

After further testing I can only congratulate the OM-team for their quick
and easy fix: whether inside at the window, in a moving train or in narrow
streets, the FR is aquiring a Fix consistenly within about 120s from cold
start under the most difficult conditions, and of course even faster at
consecutive tries ( warm start ).  Under normal conditions, a TTFF of 40s
seems to be the maximum needed even for a cold start, which in my opinion is
exceptionally good!

The SD-Card (4GB) still works as expected by this RF only fix, and there is
no need to unmount it ...

Btw, this was all done with the mwester-andy kernel from 080716...

Big thumbs up to everyone at OM, now let the mapping begin ;-)

Stefan

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Stefan Fröbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Great work, and I can confirm this to be working just fine !!!

That's an advantage of working in a company in the semiconductor business:
enough people with the skills and tools able to try this modification out on
a lunchbreak - now I get a TTFF from cold boot of 150s under most difficult
conditions:  Clouds / Mist, and  high buildings on two sides.

The previous software-only improvements were of mixed results: only once did
a fix occur, and by far not as fast as the 34s  I got without SD-Card.

Will keep you updated on further results this weekend, but so far it is
great news to see a fix this quickly!

Keep up the great work and spirit,
Cheers,
Stefan


On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko  wrote:

> hm... or alter clocking pulse sufficiently for unstable SD performance
> with some (or all) SDs... how could we know for sure unless verified
> empirically...  (noone could guess that having SD impacts GPS for quite
> a while, right?)
>
> I am not yet planing to do this hw mod on my phone, thus I can't really
> compare, and it would be great if anyone having such modded phone (I
> guess OM people) do such a simple test (basic IO testing of SD card
> similar to the ones which were posted to this list before).
>
> NB It would be really pathetic if then after new 'fixed' units are
> shipped, and new owners start complain that 50% of SD cards do not work
> or get significant performance reduction, right? So why not to make sure
> (I bet they already did smth like that thus it is just for someone from
> OM give results with numbers)
>
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:
>
> > This additional capacitor has been added between clock and GND for the
> > SD card. So it is most probably just there to filter frequencies higher
> > than the clock rate itself.
>
> > Michael
> --
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SDR chip candidates

[carmen r]

are there any SD adc/exciter combinations which are open source and suitable 
for OpenMoko? i know of the QS1R project off hand..


GTA02 has 4 radios, 3 of which can transmit (BlueTooth, GSM, 802.11) and one 
extremely sensitive to low-power signal (GPS).


im sure the RF coupling / capacitance / crosstalk issues that have plagued GPS 
with SD or Wifi operational, add buzzing to GSM etc will be worked out in due 
time, in fact i'll be buying a future revision myself.. 


eventualy it would be nice to get rid of all the radios and consolidate 
though...

i guess some kind of folded J-pole might have enough bandwidth to work well on 
all the GSMs and 802.11 at once.. 1/4 wl for 850/900 and 3/4 for 802.11..

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Influence of WiFi on GPS readings (200m error)

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

Hi All,

Finally I got to play with FR. Flushed todays (0721) dev image and kernel.
Running TangoGPS. While WiFi is on (WEP encrypted. wpa_supplicant
powered ;)) I am having location error (never hit the right spot) around
200-400m with reported speed from 0.5 to 20 km/h (while I am siting
steadily in 1 place).

When I turn WiFi Off (just on my FR, without touching access point or a
laptop from which I am writing) -- location moves to the right spot with
a bias of 10m or so.

Therefore, the question: is that expected? ie that we can't rely on GPS
readings while WiFi is on?  Or from the other side: what is
'documented' precision in GPS readings while WiFi is enabled (and not
actually very actively used, if used at all  since I guess TangoGPS
already had those tiles from OSM downloaded).

Or may be it is just my FR which behaves that way? Did anyone observe
any similar behavior?

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Re: openmoko-qtopia Error Loading module

[michael irons]

Looks like it is fixed with the 7/21/08 build, but it would be nice to
know what module
 wasn't loading and why (was it simply not there?).  Will have to look
around and see if there is any basic trouble shooting we can do from
the device.

Mike

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problem booting to NOR?

[Steve Leung]

Hi..  I hope someone can point out what I'm doing wrong.

I want to boot into my Freerunner's NOR to try flashing different 
images, but I can't get it to work.  I've followed what's on the wiki, 
and all I get is a brief pop or crackle from the speaker, and then about 
6 seconds later the red LED flashes very briefly.  The screen does not 
light up.

I've tried all combinations of:

- USB connected/disconnected
- holding AUX/POWER for short and long periods of time
- releasing AUX or POWER first
- with/without SIM card installed

I'm assuming there should be some visual confirmation that I've booted 
into NOR - if I plug in the USB cable after following the documented 
process, the device boots normally.

I can get into NAND no problem, and the POWER and AUX buttons both work 
fine during normal use.

Does this happen to anyone else?  Does this indicate some kind of 
problem with the phone?  Would a debug board help fix this?

TIA,
Steve

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Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

[Federico Lorenzi]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> see:
> http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781
> /j

Product not found?

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headset with qtopia

[thewtex]

Has anyone got the headset that comes with the Freerunner group purchase working
with the qtopia.net images?  There seems to be a small amount of sound coming
out somewhere.  And speakerphone goes wacky.  Maybe alsamixer settings?


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Re: Alternative stylus - Group Buy

[Kelvie Wong]

On Sunday, July 20, 2008 20:15:31 Steven ** wrote:
> Shouldn't be an issue.  Looks like re-ship would be 72 cents instead of 42.
>
> -Steven
>

Sounds good.  Send me a line when you want your money (I'm in no hurry, as I 
don't have a FR yet).

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Re: wiki database error

[BrendaWang]

Thanks, all.
I will report this to our IT.

Brenda

Dale Schumacher ??:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:08 AM, koebi <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> just wanted to let somebody know that today, after an edit on the
> wiki, I got a database error message:
> ---
> Database error
>
> ...
>
> nevertheless, the changes I made were applied.
>
> the page I edited was a subsection of
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_Munich
>
> regards
> koebi
>
>
> I got a similar error yesterday.
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Re: Terminal for ASU

[Ken Restivo]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:20:46PM -0700, Brian C wrote:
> Ken Restivo wrote:
> > Crap.
> > 
> > I was considering opening a bug report (enhancement, probably) on this-- 
> > the ASU needs a terminal.
> > 
> > But I don't want to get smacked down with a "ASU will never have a 
> > terminal, it's not a supported use case" closure for it.
> > 
> > *Will* the ASU have a terminal app that works with the Qtopia environment? 
> > Or is that something I shouldn't expect to work?
> > 
> > -ken
> 
> 1. It's an open platform, so it's inevitable that it will have a terminal.
> 
> 2. If it were not possible to have a terminal on ASU, then OpenMoko
> should just abandon ASU immediately.
> 
> Therefore, you should feel free to open the bug.
> 

I'll wait to see if anyone responds with "Sure, it has one, or you can use any 
terminal with it, here's how you get it to work, get it into the 
menu/icon/illume thing, make it use the keyboard, blah blah blah".

If I can avoid annoying the devs with unnecessary bug reports, I will.

Hey, I noticed that someone just added a Full-QWERTY configuration to the ASU 
keyboard, and a little icon for choosing which keyboard layout to use on the 
fly. Bravo!! Very glad to see that.

-ken

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Re: Terminal for ASU

[Brian C]

Ken Restivo wrote:
> Crap.
> 
> I was considering opening a bug report (enhancement, probably) on this-- the 
> ASU needs a terminal.
> 
> But I don't want to get smacked down with a "ASU will never have a terminal, 
> it's not a supported use case" closure for it.
> 
> *Will* the ASU have a terminal app that works with the Qtopia environment? Or 
> is that something I shouldn't expect to work?
> 
> -ken

1. It's an open platform, so it's inevitable that it will have a terminal.

2. If it were not possible to have a terminal on ASU, then OpenMoko
should just abandon ASU immediately.

Therefore, you should feel free to open the bug.

Brian

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Re: Alternative stylus - Group Buy

[Steven **]

Shouldn't be an issue.  Looks like re-ship would be 72 cents instead of 42.

-Steven

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Kelvie Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 19, 2008 17:43:49 Steven ** wrote:
>> Yup, Paypal is fine if it comes from a bank account (not from a credit
>> card).
>>
>> You make 3 in the group.  Anyone else want in?
>>
>> -Steven
>>
>
> I'll take a couple.  I am in Canada, though.
>
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Re: Import Contacts

[C R McClenaghan]

When I list the commands on the FR it shows openmoko-contacts, but  
when I opkg install openmoko-contacts2, it tells me I'm up to date.  
I'm using the 2007.2 build of 7/18, not ASU or qtopia. I'll do some  
digging around to see if dbus is active or other stuff before I try it  
again. I assume you meant dbus when you said daemon in your other reply.

Chris

On Jul 20, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Roland Mas wrote:

> C R McClenaghan, 2008-07-16 10:35:13 -0700 :
>
>> All,
>>
>> I get the following error using manage-contacts.py in the following
>> way from SSH:
>>
>>  python manage-contacts.py load 
> [...]
>
>> dbus.exceptions.DBusException:
>> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "addContact" with
>> signature "s" on interface
>> "org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.addressbook.Book" doesn't exist
>>
>> I have installed via opkg python-dbus per wiki instructions.
>
> Strange.  It still works here.  You do have openmoko-contacts2
> installed, right?  You're not using ASU or Qtopia or something?
>
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Re: Terminal for ASU

[Ken Restivo]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 07:56:58PM -0700, C R McClenaghan wrote:
> I think I tried "vte" from the repos and it worked. I couldn't get the  
> built in keyboard to come up so I abandoned ASU for the time being.  
> Since I didn't have a keyboard, by worked I mean I could start it.
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Scott Petersen wrote:
> 
> > Is it just my inability to find things or is there truly no terminal
> > application for ASU in the standard repositories?
> >
> > Does anybody have any recommendations for a terminal for ASU? I  
> > tried to
> > get openmoko-terminal2 to run but it crashes every time.
> >


Crap.

I was considering opening a bug report (enhancement, probably) on this-- the 
ASU needs a terminal.

But I don't want to get smacked down with a "ASU will never have a terminal, 
it's not a supported use case" closure for it.

*Will* the ASU have a terminal app that works with the Qtopia environment? Or 
is that something I shouldn't expect to work?

-ken

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Re: Wiki search

[BrendaWang]

Our IT people already accepted my request.
While he done this , I will let everybody know.

Brenda

Sven Klomp ??:
> The configuration parameter is "ft_min_word_len=3" in my.ini.
> See 
> http://kb.ucla.edu/articles/configuring-mediawiki-to-search-for-three-letter-words
>  
> for more details.
>
> On Friday 18 July 2008 04:21:39 BrendaWang wrote:
>   
>> Can you give me the more information about modify the configuration ?
>> That will be great help.
>>
>> Thenks
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>> Sven Klomp ??:
>> 
>>> Dear Brenda,
>>>
>>> please modify the configuration of the Openmoko wiki, so queries with
>>> less than four letters can be found. It might be helpful with all the
>>> abbreviations like ASU, FSO, SHR :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sven
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Re: Terminal for ASU

[C R McClenaghan]

I think I tried "vte" from the repos and it worked. I couldn't get the  
built in keyboard to come up so I abandoned ASU for the time being.  
Since I didn't have a keyboard, by worked I mean I could start it.

Chris

On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Scott Petersen wrote:

> Is it just my inability to find things or is there truly no terminal
> application for ASU in the standard repositories?
>
> Does anybody have any recommendations for a terminal for ASU? I  
> tried to
> get openmoko-terminal2 to run but it crashes every time.
>
> Cheer
> Scott Petersen
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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Greg Bonett]

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> Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Tim Schmidt:
>> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>>> Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little 
> difficult
>>> without exact idea of the way this happens).
>> Meaning, the improvement will show up in a new rev of the Freerunner,
>> or in the next model phone?
> 
> Depends on which kind of improvement we are ending with. Obviously sth like a 
> metal case for shielding can't be done as a simple FR product revision - just 
> for example. Simple change of a component value is a completely different 
> story.
> For now no results thus no statement. ;-)
> 
> /jOERG
> 

Have there been any developments with this issue?  How many people are
experiencing this?  I'm experiencing very poor audio quality (lots of
noise, very low volume for incoming audio).  I'm still not sure if its a
hardware thing of if I've just got bad gsm.handset.state settings.  I'm
using the qtopia image right now.

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Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

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On 7/20/08 7:29 PM, "Joerg Reisenweber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 
> see:
> http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=17
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Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

[Brian C]

Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> see:
> http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781
> /j

Yes, something like this should be added to the contents of the
FreeRunner box.  Would likely be cheap to buy in bulk, but amazingly
useful for users who could instantly connect a world of existing USB
devices to their FreeRunner.

Brian

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Chris Wright]

2008/7/20 Ryan Meador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I think it's important that we use an existing general-purpose platform such 
> as
> Prolog (at least, it's about as general purpose as logic programming gets...).

I would favor Rhino.DSL, simply because I know it integrates well with
a language with dbus bindings. And because it can probably result in
very readable syntax. And it's based on Boo, which is very nearly
Python, and thus more accessible to most programmers than Prolog.

Does dbus allow you to specify your priority when listening to an
event, and to prevent it from being published to other listeners? If
not, then the first step is to separate the relevant dbus events and
come up with an application that merely translates unconditionally
between the two. And that allows you to insert any rules engine you
want.

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Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am So  20. Juli 2008 schrieb Tobias Diedrich:
> Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > 2008/7/19 Tobias Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Looking at the Freerunner connector, it looks like it's really a
> > > Mini-B Female connector instead of the Mini-AB Female connector as
> > > stated on
> > > http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
> > >
> > > Can someone else confirm this?
> > 
> > Yes. See
> > 
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Package_Contents
> 
> Well, that doesn't contradict with a Mini-AB female connector though.
> As it's name says a Mini-AB femal connector should accept both
> Mini-A and Mini-B cables, which makes sense because Mini-B is used
> for client mode and Mini-A for host mode and the Freerunner supports
> both.
> 
> The wrong connector means that an 'offical' USB-OTG cable like
> 
http://www.amazon.de/Hama-00074214-OTG-Kabeladapter-Mini-USB-A-Stecker-USB-A-Kupplung/dp/B000EORX7U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1216581564&sr=8-1
> can't be used unfortunately...
> 
> And I can't find a USB-A receptacle to Mini-USB-A plug cable on amazon. :/
> Only this plug-adapter (maybe, it does not explicitly state A or B
> AFAICS), which will work I guess, but I'd rather like a cable.
> 
http://www.amazon.de/Adapter-BUCHSE-Stecker-Verl%C3%A4ngerung-Anschluss/dp/B001372BVA/ref=sr_1_44?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1216581654&sr=8-44
> Seems like I'll have to cannibalize the Hama cable. ^_^;

see:
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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Matt Joyce]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Ryan Meador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> matt joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Ryan, what approach have your efforts taken already?
> > Any interesting insights to the problem?
> >
> > Matt
> >
>
> My efforts as far as applying my inference engine to the OpenMoko platform
> basically consist of a few ideas rattling around in my head -- nothing
> concrete.
>  I'm not a professional at this stuff, just an enthusiastic amateur trying
> to
> follow in the footsteps of some of the very interesting early AI research
> projects (most inference-based approaches to AI died out in the 80's, but a
> few
> are still around).  To that end, most of my work has been focused on things
> not
> directly useful to a phone platform.
>
> I think it's important that we use an existing general-purpose platform
> such as
> Prolog (at least, it's about as general purpose as logic programming
> gets...).
> This saves us from reinventing the wheel and also prevents us from thinking
> ourselves into a corner -- a general purpose system will likely be much
> more
> extensible and flexible for powerusers (and with this device, who isn't?)
> than
> something we dream up.  Taking an inference-based approach to setting up
> the
> rules in the phone could allow us to create rules that are more abstract
> than
> most of the examples I've seen on this list.  Instead of telling it "don't
> use
> the ringer when I'm at the office", it could be "don't use the ringer when
> I'm
> doing work".  "Work" would be defined by other rules, such as your
> proximity to
> the office, whether or not you've scheduled an appointment in the calendar
> with
> contacts from work (think lunch meeting), and if you have a deadline that
> isn't
> marked as complete and it's only an hour away (you're probably workign
> furiously
> to meet it).  That's just an example I created just now, and not
> particularly
> good -- good examples are hard to think of, but that's largely because the
> possibilities are endless.  As one other person on the mailing list noted,
> the
> possible configurations of the rules engine that are nonsensical outnumber
> the
> meaningful ones by millions to one :)
>
> That babbling probably wasn't very helpful to anyone, but maybe it will at
> least
> build enthusiasm.  I think the gist of it was mostly this: make it more
> flexible
> than it needs to be, and also make the rules capable of building on top of
> each
> other to create more complex conditions.  Just my $0.02 :)
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
I find myself in a real quandary about this.
On the one hand I want more flexibility, more inputs, more actions and such,
because I feel creative uses will emerge from that.
On the other hand my experience as an IT practitioner and technologist,
instinctively tells me to keep it simple.  I've spent most of my IT career
trying to remove or prevent unnecessary complexity.

Matt
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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am So  20. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick:
> Problem there is the rule based engine is trying to decide to answer the 
> call, put it to voice mail, vibrate, ring loud, etc...  Waiting 30-60 
> seconds for a cold start fix from the GPS is too long.

But you can listen to mic to determine on ambient noise - just a few seconds 
maybe, or even after first gentle ringtone, and then adjust ringtone volume 
accordingly (pat. pend. jOERG ;)
Also you can check the *echo* of the ringtone to decide whether you're in a 
silent room, in a pocket, under open sky... (pat. pend. jOERG ;)

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Terminal for ASU

[Scott Petersen]

Is it just my inability to find things or is there truly no terminal 
application for ASU in the standard repositories?

Does anybody have any recommendations for a terminal for ASU? I tried to 
get openmoko-terminal2 to run but it crashes every time.

Cheer
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Re: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in SanFrancisco?

[C R McClenaghan]

Steve,

Sounds like you need the commitment sooner than later. I am able to  
commit to August 4. As a FR owner I would love to be there.

I will be on vacation tomorrow through the 29th. I'll have email  
access, but will likely not hit it but once a day.

Let me know where to be and when to be there.

I appreciate the opportunity.

Chris

On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:15 PM, steve wrote:

> The T shirts are planned, and I need to know how many debug boards and
> spares kits
> I need to pick up from Fremont to give away to volunteers.
>
> And pat needs firm commitments to build a schedule.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael  
> Shiloh
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:52 PM
> To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
> Subject: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in
> SanFrancisco?
>
> Openmoko will be at Linuxworld, and needs to staff two booths: One  
> in the
> main vendor area, and another in the Linux Garage.
>
> As we are a small understaffed team, we would love it if some of you  
> could
> commit to helping us.
>
> If you are on this mailing list, you already know enough to answer  
> the most
> common question: "What is Openmoko?".
>
> As for more technical questions, don't worry - you already know a  
> lot, and
> you can always defer questions to one of us.
>
> In return we plan some sort of appreciation, perhaps in the form of  
> T-shirts
> or some other Openmoko swag, and you will be the proud owner of our  
> undying
> gratitude :-) You will also be able to ask Steve all those difficult
> questions you've been saving up.
>
> It's also a great opportunity for us to get to know you, no matter  
> how much
> or little time you can commit to helping.
>
> LinuxWorld is August 4-7, in San Francisco.
>
> Please let me know right away so that I can arrange for badges.
>
> Passes for the exhibit hall are free! Register at
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register//SN335015
>
> If there is interest we will also hold a BoF session.
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Re: Battery Lifetime

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am So  20. Juli 2008 schrieb Flyin_bbb8:
> what's the hungriest of all? or if we can have a list of all the hungry
> stuff in the FR sorted from the one starving to the one who needs a snack?

GSM-active-call/GPRS data TX [up to 2A peak, 1A avg]
(USB-host mode [up to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
LCM-light
LCM-light
LCM-light

WiFi active TX
Speaker
CPU, BT, glamo, RAM... etc




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Re: openmoko-qtopia Error Loading module

[christopher bradski]

I just confirmed this as well. However if you stop the xserver there is a
message at the very top about input handler is null what looks like to be
some errors with exquisite. Does anybody know where the log files are or
wait isn't there a config file to that you change to not print errors into
the buffer but a file instead?

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Thomas B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:53:53AM -0600, michael irons wrote:
> > I tried flashing my freerunner with the image
> > openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 from 07-20-2008 and After
> > booting it got to what looks like a desktop (with nothing on it)
> > except for the test "or Loading Module". I assume the is error, but it
> > is off the left hand side of the screen.
> >
> > I tried rolling back to the 7-18 openmoko-qtopia image and it works
> > fine, except I of coures up grade and upon rebooting I get the same
> > error.
> >
> > So something is up with the 7-20 jffs2 image
>
> I can confirm this. The current ASU image didn't work for me, which was
> a bit confusing, because it was the very first time I checked out the
> ASU image and this was not a good start ;-) Going back to an older image
> worked.
>
> By the way, I noticed you can "grab" that error message with your finger
> and move it to the right, then you can read that it actually is "Error
> Loading Module".
>
> Regards,
> Thomas
>
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Re: Battery Lifetime

[W.Kenworthy]

Use "/usr/bin/hcitool scan" from net-wireless/bluez-utils (gentoo) -
this picks up any promiscuous bluetooth transmitters in range.

BillK

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 09:54 -0500, Steven ** wrote:
> I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the
...
> build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s).
> How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power?
> 
> -Steven


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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Ryan Meador]

matt joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ryan, what approach have your efforts taken already?
> Any interesting insights to the problem?
> 
> Matt
> 

My efforts as far as applying my inference engine to the OpenMoko platform
basically consist of a few ideas rattling around in my head -- nothing concrete.
 I'm not a professional at this stuff, just an enthusiastic amateur trying to
follow in the footsteps of some of the very interesting early AI research
projects (most inference-based approaches to AI died out in the 80's, but a few
are still around).  To that end, most of my work has been focused on things not
directly useful to a phone platform.

I think it's important that we use an existing general-purpose platform such as
Prolog (at least, it's about as general purpose as logic programming gets...). 
This saves us from reinventing the wheel and also prevents us from thinking
ourselves into a corner -- a general purpose system will likely be much more
extensible and flexible for powerusers (and with this device, who isn't?) than
something we dream up.  Taking an inference-based approach to setting up the
rules in the phone could allow us to create rules that are more abstract than
most of the examples I've seen on this list.  Instead of telling it "don't use
the ringer when I'm at the office", it could be "don't use the ringer when I'm
doing work".  "Work" would be defined by other rules, such as your proximity to
the office, whether or not you've scheduled an appointment in the calendar with
contacts from work (think lunch meeting), and if you have a deadline that isn't
marked as complete and it's only an hour away (you're probably workign furiously
to meet it).  That's just an example I created just now, and not particularly
good -- good examples are hard to think of, but that's largely because the
possibilities are endless.  As one other person on the mailing list noted, the
possible configurations of the rules engine that are nonsensical outnumber the
meaningful ones by millions to one :)

That babbling probably wasn't very helpful to anyone, but maybe it will at least
build enthusiasm.  I think the gist of it was mostly this: make it more flexible
than it needs to be, and also make the rules capable of building on top of each
other to create more complex conditions.  Just my $0.02 :)

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Re: pre-flash backup fails

[Thomas B.]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 05:32:01PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote:
> I followed the directions here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup
> 
> I could backup the kernel of my GTA02 but trying to use that method to backup 
> the rootfs failed 
> several times

I had similar problems (see [1]), although I got error "-84" most of the
time instead of "-110". Unfortunately, I never solved this problem.
After several unsuccessful tries and no feedback from the list I gave up
on this backup method.

Does anyone else have ideas?

Regards,
Thomas

[1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020707.html

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Re: dfu-util upload problems

[Kevin Squire]

> Hi,
>
> I have a little problem with dfu-util and my new Freerunner.
>
> I thought I'd make a backup of my Neo's filesystem before flashing new
> images onto it, so I tried to use dfu-util in upload mode to transfer
> the content of the Neo's flash to my desktop PC. Backing up the kernel
> partition works, but when I back up the rootfs partition dfu-util
> transfers about 247MB and then dies with "dfu_upload error -84", while
> the phone immediately reboots. It always dies at the same position, but
> I'm not sure whether the backup is complete or not.

Just wanted to say that I'm having the same problem (and same
questions): I was able to upload 258076672 bytes (=246 Mb), but then
dfu-util dies with "dfu_upload error -16", and the FreeRunner reboots.
This is on Mac OS X.

> Further details: I've tried it on my desktop and on my laptop PC, with
> Ubuntu 7.10, Ubuntu 8.04 and a grml live-cd, with various dfu-util
> binaries and one built from SVN, but the error appeared every time. The
> phone was hooked up directly to the host (no hub or something), U-Boot
> version on the phone is the originally installed 1.3.2-moko12 from May
> 9.
>
> Any ideas what's wrong?

At least one other person (you?) has indicated a similar problem at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup.  Any ideas, anyone?

Thanks,

   Kevin

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Re: BAY AREA OM FANS

[Adilson Oliveira]

steve escreveu:
> Adilson,
> 
>   We have two booths. The main booth and the garage. 
> 
>   If one of my distributors wants to show up with phones to sell, I'll let
> them sell at my booth.
> 
>   First come, first serve.
> 
>

Cool.

I'll be showing up for sure and even try to help out the garage booth if
I got some time.
I hope the distributors are reading this ;)

[]s

Adilson.

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pre-flash backup fails

[Jim Morris]

I followed the directions here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup

I could backup the kernel of my GTA02 but trying to use that method to backup 
the rootfs failed 
several times

  dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
  This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

  Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
  Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
  Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0
  Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request...
  Resetting USB...
  Opening USB Device...
  Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=20, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="rootfs"
  Claiming USB DFU Interface...
  Setting Alternate Setting ...
  Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
  dfuIDLE, continuing
  Transfer Size = 0x1000
  dfu_upload error -110

In demsg I get this error
  usb 5-2: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd dfu-util rqt 161 rq 2 len 4096 
ret -110

I have not been able to backup rootfs using this method.

I can flash OK though.

Any ideas?

-- 
Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Matt Joyce]

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

What I meant was, if the rule engine/event broker has geo defendant rules,
it could use GSM towers to ascertain if a GPS fix is required.
This (or other checks, such as calendar, time) can happen prior to any
voice/message events occurring, gsmd would just check for blocking rules
(absence of) on event.

Matt

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Scott Derrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Problem there is the rule based engine is trying to decide to answer the
> call, put it to voice mail, vibrate, ring loud, etc...  Waiting 30-60
> seconds for a cold start fix from the GPS is too long.
>
> Scott
>
> matt joyce wrote:
>
>> Or, perhaps use GSM triangulation to trigger GSP fix acquisition.
>>
>>
>> Scott Derrick wrote:
>>
>>> I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS engine
>>> get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame and use the
>>> last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close enough.
>>>
>>
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Re: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in SanFrancisco?

[Jeffrey Malone]

I have an entirely free schedule, and free shuttles that take me from my
apartment in SF to the Trans-bay Terminal, a mere 3 blocks from Moscone.
I can commit to volunteering for any times needed, and I'm not a flake.

Jeffrey Malone
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:15 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The T shirts are planned, and I need to know how many debug boards and
> spares kits
> I need to pick up from Fremont to give away to volunteers.
>
> And pat needs firm commitments to build a schedule.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:52 PM
> To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
> Subject: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in
> SanFrancisco?
>
> Openmoko will be at Linuxworld, and needs to staff two booths: One in the
> main vendor area, and another in the Linux Garage.
>
> As we are a small understaffed team, we would love it if some of you could
> commit to helping us.
>
> If you are on this mailing list, you already know enough to answer the most
> common question: "What is Openmoko?".
>
> As for more technical questions, don't worry - you already know a lot, and
> you can always defer questions to one of us.
>
> In return we plan some sort of appreciation, perhaps in the form of
> T-shirts
> or some other Openmoko swag, and you will be the proud owner of our undying
> gratitude :-) You will also be able to ask Steve all those difficult
> questions you've been saving up.
>
> It's also a great opportunity for us to get to know you, no matter how much
> or little time you can commit to helping.
>
> LinuxWorld is August 4-7, in San Francisco.
>
> Please let me know right away so that I can arrange for badges.
>
> Passes for the exhibit hall are free! Register at
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register//SN335015
>
> If there is interest we will also hold a BoF session.
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Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Andy Green wrote:
|> Thanks for this report, I went and looked and found I didn't take care
|> of the case where last packet transferred was not a bulk read packet:
|> that what happens on resume.  I added a patch to stable branch that
|> should be out tomorrow hopefully and give the same SD_CLK performance
|> with or without resumes.
|
| Thanks for fixing it. I'll test it more once the new kernel build hits
the
| repos.

Just a heads-up there is also another relevant patch on stable tonight.
~ It gives another interesting knob to twiddle about GPS performance.

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47

You can check if your kernel package has it tomorrow by looking for

~ cat /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive

if the file doesn't exist you don't have the patch in yet.

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RE: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Whowants to test them?

[steve]

Hehe.

 I worked on the YF23

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
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Subject: Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe -
Whowants to test them?



Claus Christmann wrote:
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Claus Christmann wrote:
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I finally got around and converted the available Pro/E Wildfire 3 
>>> files into more generic IGES and STEP formats.
>>>
>>> You can find the links to the files on my (quickly drafted) website 
>>> at
>>>
>>> http://controls.ae.gatech.edu/claus/web/openmoko.html
>>>
>>> This said, I am not sure how the individual assemblies will work, 
>>> but at least now all the singe pieces are there...
>>>
>>> Happy CADing
>>>
>>> Claus
>>>
>>> P.S.: it is also much easier to mess around with possible private 
>>> DIY shielding add-ons in CAD... in real life there is no "revert"... 
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> P.P.S.: Once the files are confirmed to be working, my understanding 
>>> is that they could go to http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/, so 
>>> please let me know if the files work...
>> Claus,
>>
>> The files are now copied to http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/, so 
>> you can free up your space if you wish.
>>
>> I do not have the tools to verify them, but I did check the md5sum, 
>> and they agreed with those on your website.
>>
>> Thanks very much for your hard work, and I look forward to seeing 
>> what you do with the CAD files. I assume you are a CAD person by trade?
>>
>> Michael
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> actually I am an aerospace engineer by trade... But close.
> I am interested in the CAD stuff since I need all that in order to 
> engage in a private project (though related to my work): robotics.
> 
> With an decent CPU, 2 Accelerometers, GPS, WiFi, GPRS, and high power 
> Bluetooth, I think of the OpenMoKo as an onboard computer that ALSO 
> could make calls...
> 
> OT: By profession I am engaged in developing airborne avionics and the 
> related software for unmanned aerial vehicles... So lets see... Maybe 
> we
> *really* can make the OpenMoKo take off ;)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Claus
> 


ROTFL

Would be interesting to see what backgrounds our community comes from. 
My contention is that a wide range will feed innovation, more so than if we
were all in the cellphone business.

Michael

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[C R McClenaghan]

Steve,

I'm either crazy or loosing my mind. I was sure that the FR was  
charging with the iGO and the A32 (Rev 1, subscript T) tip. I went to  
by another tip and got a A32 (Rev 2, subscript E) and while the FR  
recognized a connection (the usb symbol showed) it did not charge. I  
retired the other tip and same thing - usb symbol but no charge. I  
checked battery status with apm and it reported "off line" when the  
iGO was connected.

Which tip are you using? Did I blow something? The USB charge and wall  
charger both work, so I'm questioning now whether I ever really saw my  
FR charging, maybe just saw the usb icon and assumed it was.

Chris

On Jul 13, 2008, at 11:36 AM, steve wrote:

> I have the same iGO. Have used it without problem with my freerunner  
> for a
> long while
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C R  
> McClenaghan
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:44 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Cc: Brenda Wang
> Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02
>
> A general question related to car charging. I have an iGo charger  
> and many
> tips. One is a mini-usb tip. It seems to be charging my Neo okay.
> Is there an reason I shouldn't use this device? There is also an iGo  
> car
> charger that accepts the same tips. I'm not trying to push the brand  
> here,
> just wanting to know if this is an alternative charging mechanism and
> whether it is safe.
>
> Chris
>
> On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:35 PM, steve wrote:
>
>> Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere.
>> We need a better search on the wiki
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "Marco
>> Trevisan (Treviño)"
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:01 PM
>> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
>> Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02
>>
>> Andy Selby ha scritto:
 How do you enable 1A charging via software? The "echo 'fast_cccv' >
 etc.." only seems to give me 500ma. Is there a sysfs interface to
 this, or does it have to be done by the kernel? This is for the Neo
 1973 by the way.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the neo1973 cant charge with more than 500mA due to
>>> the hardware, nothing in software will fix that, I think the post  
>>> you
>>> quoted was about the freerunner.
>>
>> I read months ago that it should be able to charge at 1000mA too (if
>> charger supports it).
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.3v1n0.net/
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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

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| Does it include Ekiga?

The recipe includes just some basic packages, but because it includes
"aptitude", which is basically "yum" (sorry, Fedora person), it means
you have pretty much the whole undiluted Debian package universe.  So I
would think it would include Ekiga.  And these packages are the real
deal, everything like ping for example is non-busybox with all the
trimmings.

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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Yes that is correct.
|
| The other problem is the /etc/pointercal ... I've yet to figure a way to
| calibrate ts

Ah tslib has a ts_calibrate applet that spits the numbers out.  I should
think Debian has tslib...

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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

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Yes that is correct.

The other problem is the /etc/pointercal ... I've yet to figure a way to
calibrate ts


On 7/20/08 3:51 PM, "Andy Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
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> | However, the Debian rootfs didn't work right away, it mounted the ext3
> | rootfs and ran init, but complained "unable to open an initial console",
> | I think this is an insufficiently populated /dev so I will meddle on a
> bit.
> 
> I followed the instructions more carefully and I can boot into Debian
> runlevel 3 OK :-)  Very nice.  It's the real deal and it doesn't feel
> that slow yet (runlevel 5 might be a different story).
> 
> The main thing missing from the instructions is you have to have an
> internet route out from the phone to do it as it is currently set up.
> The tarball they give you is just a skeleton that they upack packages
> into before it is bootable.   I used the WLAN to give it the internet
> access and it was fine.
> 
> This certainly shows a lot of promise!
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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

[Joseph Reeves]

Does it include Ekiga?

Joseph



2008/7/20 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> | However, the Debian rootfs didn't work right away, it mounted the ext3
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> | I think this is an insufficiently populated /dev so I will meddle on a
> bit.
>
> I followed the instructions more carefully and I can boot into Debian
> runlevel 3 OK :-)  Very nice.  It's the real deal and it doesn't feel
> that slow yet (runlevel 5 might be a different story).
>
> The main thing missing from the instructions is you have to have an
> internet route out from the phone to do it as it is currently set up.
> The tarball they give you is just a skeleton that they upack packages
> into before it is bootable.   I used the WLAN to give it the internet
> access and it was fine.
>
> This certainly shows a lot of promise!
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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| However, the Debian rootfs didn't work right away, it mounted the ext3
| rootfs and ran init, but complained "unable to open an initial console",
| I think this is an insufficiently populated /dev so I will meddle on a
bit.

I followed the instructions more carefully and I can boot into Debian
runlevel 3 OK :-)  Very nice.  It's the real deal and it doesn't feel
that slow yet (runlevel 5 might be a different story).

The main thing missing from the instructions is you have to have an
internet route out from the phone to do it as it is currently set up.
The tarball they give you is just a skeleton that they upack packages
into before it is bootable.   I used the WLAN to give it the internet
access and it was fine.

This certainly shows a lot of promise!

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Re: Ekiga for Openmoko, petition,

[Brad Pitcher]

andres wrote:
> I wrote an email to the Ekiga people asking them to provide
> a Openmoko compiled binary for it.
>   
I agree, Ekiga would be nice.  I wrote to the gizmoproject people to see 
if they would recompile for openmoko.  They already have an armel 
version for nokia tablets, so they are close to having what we need for 
openmoko.
I actually tried out their gizmo5 midlet today and, although it's 
largely unusable, I actually made a phone call and sent an sms.  Way to 
go Jalimo guys!

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Re: Issues / Quirks with SMS via GUI (Messages app)

[Matthew Lane]

Joachim Breitner wrote:
> Hi Matthew,
>
> Am Freitag, den 18.07.2008, 13:40 -0400 schrieb Matthew Lane:
>   
>> Second, this is more of a major issue but I am not sure if it's 
>> carrier-related or a problem with the phone's Message software itself.  
>> When attempting to send a text message, I cannot send a message to a 
>> number formatted (123) 456-7890 (eg. how VCard inserts its numbers).  
>> However, when I text a number in the format 1234567890 it works just 
>> fine.  VCard importing prefers the (123) 456-7890 format unfortunately.
>> 
>
> I have filed a bug about this at
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1643
> you might want to put yourself on the CC list. I hope that someone that
> knows enough about libgsmd and phone-kit can tell where the problem
> should be fixed.
>
> Greetings,
> Joachim
>   
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Re: Web server on the phone?

[Jay Vaughan]

> I was also using HTML as a GUI frontend for some application. Some  
> time

SVG rocks the GUI boat.

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Re: Not just a phone

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Scott Derrick]

Problem there is the rule based engine is trying to decide to answer the 
call, put it to voice mail, vibrate, ring loud, etc...  Waiting 30-60 
seconds for a cold start fix from the GPS is too long.


Scott

matt joyce wrote:

Or, perhaps use GSM triangulation to trigger GSP fix acquisition.


Scott Derrick wrote:
I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS 
engine get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame 
and use the last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close 
enough.


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RE: BAY AREA OM FANS

[steve]

Adilson,

  We have two booths. The main booth and the garage. 

  If one of my distributors wants to show up with phones to sell, I'll let
them sell at my booth.

  First come, first serve.

Steve 

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steve escreveu:
>  Linux world is coming this August and Michael and I have a intresting 
> plan to Involve the community in the booths, give away free stuff ( 
> like debug boards and spares ), And make a movie about our community 
> members.
> 
> So as we figure out the details we will tell you

Hi Steve.

I'll be at Linuxworld (I work for Canonical of Ubuntu Linux fame) and
helping run the booth. Are you having a booth there as well? If so, I'll be
glad to show up.
Any chance of having a few units for sale? I was trying to figure out how to
buy mine and if you have a 900 version there for sale that would be great.

[]s

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[matt joyce]

arne anka wrote:
>> It may be possible to use GSM call towers to give a good enough location
>> for these rules.
>> 
>
> a gsm cell is usually much bigger than most restaurants -- and gps might  
> not be available inhouse.
> btw: a rule that analyses calendar entries and depending of the character  
> of the appointment disables ringing might be sensible.
> thus i only have to select the importance/category of the appointment and  
> not to worry about forgetting to disable the phone.
>
>   

I agree.
An extensible rules system which others developers can hook into would 
allow for this.
The user might just select a phone profile (Do not disturb, except...) 
when they set her calendar appointment, and a rule can be generated, 
without the users becoming a programmer.
A rule might exist, set profile whenever I meet with this contact, and 
the profile is auto-selected when the appointment is made.

Matt

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USB numeric keyboard as full character keyboard

[Tomasz Czapiewski]

Is it possible to use with Neo FreeRunner USB numeric keyboard for 
notebooks simmilar to these:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/NUMERIC-USB-KEYPAD-LAPTOP-NOTEBOOK/dp/B000P158OM/ref=pd_bxgy_ce_img_a
http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-NumKey-Numeric-Key-Pad/dp/3293009948/ref=pd_sbs_ce_3

The idea to use it is simmilar to phone's numeric keyboard when writing 
SMS etc. but it's just a simple numeric keyboard.

I've just get notebook accessories case with such thing and I'm planning 
to use it with Neo FreeRunner when I'll buy this linux phone/PDA 
(with group buy next week).

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[matt joyce]

Or, perhaps use GSM triangulation to trigger GSP fix acquisition.


Scott Derrick wrote:
> I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS 
> engine get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame 
> and use the last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close 
> enough.
>
> Scott
>
> matt joyce wrote:
>> Scott Derrick wrote:
>>> If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have 
>>> to have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from 
>>> sleep and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the decision. 
>>> Not sure what that will do to battery life.
>>>
>>> Scot
>>>
>> That's a valid point.
>> However, if a GPS dependant rule cannot get a fix (because it's off) 
>> in a timely fashion, the rule fails.
>
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RE: Not just a phone

[steve]

like so
 
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/07/when_is_a_phone.ht
ml

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Subject: Re: Not just a phone






Hi Michael / all,

Sorry for my late response.

I think that innovation is the big and the first challenge that the Openmoko
and the community have.

After 35 years of property industry (the cellular industry)  it is easy to
talk about innovation but it is not easy to be innovative - we all have some
"imagination blocking".

To be innovative the first thing to do is define what is the FreeRunner
device.

some of us talk about "phone" or "cellphone", my Freerunner is not phone or
cellphone. as far as I know cellphones have a limited OS with a limited
functionality, I didn't see any of those in my Freerunner (it use cellular
network) .

It's also not a "smart phone", smartphones is a phone that the manufacturer
add it some extra functionality, smartphone was plan to be an extension of
my computer, but my smartphone did't do it, the reason is the limitation of
the property software.
Basically, the manufacturer defined what is the extensions - and thats all.

so, my Freerunner is not a cellphone and is not a smartphone and it
definitely not a pda .

It is a personal communication device (or center) that connecting my with
the rest of the world, on the other side it is an extension of my computer.

so basically, I am looking for a new ways to connect me to the world from
one side and from the other side I am looking for a new way to connect with
my computer.

for example, we can check what is the blackberry. Rim, didn't build a new
way to communicate, they just think different and build a device that use a
regular tools to connect me to the world - this is innovation of the
connection process between people based on regular tools.

I don't know what's about your freerunner - but I want that my freerunner
will be more then that.

but, first of all, we need to think different.
location aware services - it easy .. voip - also easy (etc) - all this
services and tools it's great (must to have)(and of course, we can improve
this services for better live), but I hope that we can do more then that , I
think that this is the real challenge.

also, I hope that the next hardware version have a bigger screen (I need to
communicate with the device ) and a wimax chip ..it will make my life
easier.
:-)




- doron




Michael Shiloh wrote:

Peter, your email below is the one I've been trying to write for the 

past few months.



Like you, what got me excited about this project was NOT the possibility 

of building better cellphone applications, but rather the possibility of 

creating radically new uses for a general purpose, location aware, 

connected handheld computer.



I'd like a phone that syncs seamlessly with Thunderbird and the rest of 

my Linux workstyle. But what really turns me on is the potential uses 

that I can't even imagine yet.



It is that innovation that I hope to see come out of this community, and 

I hope that in some way I can help make it happen.



Michael



Peter Harrison wrote:

  

I wouldn't focus on the age of the hardware at all.



The real question is whether this will be a hardware platform that 

others will be able to build innovation on top of. With phone companies 

making available only applications which earn them money you have not 

really seen the same kind of innovation that we saw in the PC space in 

the early 90's.



It will no doubt be a success in its own right, but what about other 

ideas...



* IP phone over Wifi and integrate with Asterisk IP phone systems - 

changes to GSM outside the office.

* In car navigation system.

* Low cost taxi fare system.

* Courier driver system that minimizes route time and allows dispatch to 

communicate.

* Robotic platform and robotic control

* Hospitals - used by nurses and doctors for prescriptions and 

observations as low cost tablet.



The Neo could open up hundreds of vertical market opportunities that the 

Telco's currently have no interest in tapping. If you think that the Neo 

is simply a different kind of iPhone you are missing the point. Many 

applications may use GPRS, but may not even implement phone 

functionality. Some may not even use GSM. To me the attraction is that 

it has been designed from the ground up to run Linux, and there is a 

dedicated team working on the frameworks that will make delivery of 

these applications possible.















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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Scott Derrick]

I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS engine 
get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame and use the 
last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close enough.


Scott

matt joyce wrote:

Scott Derrick wrote:
If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have 
to have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from 
sleep and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the decision. 
Not sure what that will do to battery life.


Scot


That's a valid point.
However, if a GPS dependant rule cannot get a fix (because it's off) in 
a timely fashion, the rule fails.


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Re: community Digest, Vol 88, Issue 164

[david pais]

is this phone usable for daily light phone use (about 30-60 min/ day) or have 
the audio problems not been solved?


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>1. Re: Import Contacts (Roland Mas)
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>4. RE: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after
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>9. Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers (arne
> anka)Jeffrey Ratcliffe, 2008-07-20 20:13:29 +0200 :
> 
> > I have the same problem, and additionally, the dump
> option runs
> > without error, but also without output.
> 
> I just tried again, and I managed to get these symptoms
> when running
> the script too soon after a boot.  The second run went on
> fine.  Maybe
> something needs the daemon to be started, and it's not
> started
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> >
> >   
> >> arne anka, 2008-07-20 16:01:34 +0200 :
> >>
> >> 
> >>> sadly enough i currently have no clue what
> causes the lack of
> >>> anything non-ascii, would have expected he fr
> to be unicode driven.
> >>>   
> >> I think it is Unicode driven.  My contacts have
> some non-ascii
> >> characters in their names, and they display just
> fine.  I guess the
> >> problem is mostly the input method.
> >> 
> >
> > in ASU (not in current .dev build though, but in SVN
> for illume) the keyboard
> > layout is customisable via a config file and can
> produce any keystroke that x
> > is capable of (so it can produce ä, ó, ñ, ø etc.)
> but i don't have a layout
> > that has every one of these in it currently, but
> it's a simple text file to put
> > in a directory (.kbd file). for now it has 3 layouts,
> simply letters-only
> > qwerty, "numeric" that covers the other keys
> (numbers, symbols) and a few
> > accented chars, and a full qwerty layout (ok it is
> missing F1-F12, Pause/Break
> > and PrtSc/SysRq but ... if u really want u can try
> cram them in somehow...). i
> > will add anther key layout for "intl" chars
> (accented ones etc.).
> >
> > in the end i imagine people might do custom layouts
> for a language (eg german
> > would only have ä, ö, ü and ß). romainian some
> other set, danish another set.
> > etc. nice simple text files for everyone to enjoy :)
> this should allo for a
> > greek and russian layout too, katakana/hragana,
> hangul, thai, ... anything
> > really. but right now right-to-left languages wont
> work (well)
> > (arabic/farsi/hebrew). unfortunatly that is really
> near the bottom of my list...
> >
> >   
> I am using the 2007.2 ( and the qtopia image, from SD card)
> image and I 
> am using Hebrew in my FreeRunner (include right - to -left)
> read and write.
> 
> in the qtopia image I can read Hebrew SMS massages
> (right-to- left) but 
> I didn't try to change / re-map the keyboard to Hebrew
> .
> 
> works fine for me.
> 
> - doron
> 
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> |
> | ?
> 
> Awesome, nobody ever mentioned this marvel... got to give
> this a try
> tonight!
> 
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>  Micheal jump started my battery in about 2 seconds. It was
> a Young
> Frankenstein momement!
>  Without the sparks or pretty assistents. Anyways, my
> reanimated battery
> still works fine.
> 
>  Anecdotal I know. 
> 
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Michael Shiloh

Re: Battery Lifetime

[Flyin_bbb8]

what's the hungriest of all? or if we can have a list of all the hungry
stuff in the FR sorted from the one starving to the one who needs a snack?
:)

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> | I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the
> | latest daily builds (2008-07-16 I think).  I have a theory.  I suspect
> | bluetooth isn't really being turned off when I think it is any more.
> | The factory image ran with a dimmed screen (no suspend) for a good 6
> | hours and only drained to 64% according to asm.  The latest daily
> | build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s).
> | How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power?
>
> There's two levels of supicion you can apply to check what's really
> going on.  First there is a logical enable signal that is reported by
>
> cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
>
> This would report 0 if the BT stuff was logically "off".
>
> If it still doesn't satisfy the suspicion, you can quite directly check
> if it is being given power by the PMU.
>
> cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs
>
> will (after a little pause while it grabs them) dump the whole PMU
> register state.  BT is powered off LDO4, it means registers 0x33 and
> 0x34 are interesting.  The LDO is powered if b0 of 0x34 is '1', it
> should be disabled if it claims BT is off.
>
> However, WLAN is much hungrier than BT.  Maybe it can be that?
>
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RE: Web server on the phone?

[Alexander Lehner]

I was also using HTML as a GUI frontend for some application. Some time 
ago I extracted the WebServer into a single project, here (written in 
c++):
http://sourceforge.net/projects/webgui-cpp/
There is no CGI, PHP or whatever, all handling is done inside 
extendable callback functions.

The most noteable feature is, that all html pages are compiled into the 
executable. There's some functionality to make html pages dynamic (kind 
of what php does). No further dependencies on other libs, plain c++ code.

This is for sure not usable for official software releases but probably 
helpful for a quick and dirty UI.


Alex.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, steve wrote:

> The end goal after FSO is complete is to make UI creation on the phone as
> simple as web page
> Creation.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dirk Bergstrom
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:35 AM
> To: community
> Subject: Web server on the phone?
>
> Basically all of my experience writing UIs is on the web.  I'd like to run a
> webserver on the phone, so I can write dirt-simple UIs that way, rather than
> getting tied up in GTK/e/Qt.
>
> I see that there's a busybox server:
>
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/busybox-httpd_1.11.0-r2_armv
> 4t.ipk
>
> One might also consider thttpd:
>
> http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/
>
> Or shttpd:
>
> http://shttpd.sourceforge.net/
>
> I suspect any of them would be OK for serving static files.  However, I
> wonder if CGI would be feasible.  I'm guessing that spawning a shell script
> wouldn't be too hard, but I suspect that spinning up a whole python process
> might be a bit much for the little arm CPU.  Anyone have any thoughts on
> that?
>
> Since I'm quite familiar with Django (http://www.djangoproject.com), I
> thought I might just run the Django development server, which has a toy-ish
> httpd server built in.  That way I'd already have python running, so I'd
> avoid all the fork/exec/load-libraries overhead.
>
> Not really sure where I'm going with this, just throwing out ideas to see if
> anyone says yea or nay.
>
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where is bluez-utils-alsa?

[Steven King]

I'm trying to get a2dp going by following the instructions at 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth but I get the error

"ALSA lib pcm.c:2106:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared 
library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so"

and libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so seems to be in bluez-utils-alsa, but I 
cant find that package...

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Re: Alternative stylus - Group Buy

[Kelvie Wong]

On Saturday, July 19, 2008 17:43:49 Steven ** wrote:
> Yup, Paypal is fine if it comes from a bank account (not from a credit
> card).
>
> You make 3 in the group.  Anyone else want in?
>
> -Steven
>

I'll take a couple.  I am in Canada, though.

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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|> Awesome, nobody ever mentioned this marvel... got to give this a try
|> tonight!
|
| let us know how it turned out!

Well there is good and bad news, good news is thanks to Mike Montour
ext3 SD boot in U-Boot works fine now, and again thanks to him updated
U-Boot packages including this and all our git patches will be available
in the next day or two.

You just do the usual mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdX1 on the SD Card, untar the
rootfs and also copy a uImage.bin from a current kernel on there in /.

You can boot it from U-Boot with this

setenv bootcmd mmcinit \; ext2load mmc 1 0x3200 uImage.bin \; setenv
bootargs \${mtdparts} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1
console=ttySAC2,115200 loglevel=4 ro \; bootm 0x3200 ; boot

That's very nice to see, previously we had to use a little FAT partition
at the start so U-Boot could get the kernel.

However, the Debian rootfs didn't work right away, it mounted the ext3
rootfs and ran init, but complained "unable to open an initial console",
I think this is an insufficiently populated /dev so I will meddle on a bit.

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Re: Proper mixer settings for music playback, or hardware fixes?

[Timo Jyrinki]

2008/7/20 Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> nah, this is +-3dB point - not exactly cutoff.
> so if you select 130Hz @ 48kHz and try to boost bass frequencies you get poor
> results, as there is only a boost of frequency below 130Hz.
> It's not reversed, it's just not cutoff frequency if you chose positive value
> for bass level.

Hah, right, I mixed up filtering as such with the cutoff frequency of
bass boosting. And probably this is related to the mentioned high-pass
filter effect of the talked resistor which is why the boosting is
required in the first place to counter that. Too many mixer settings,
and definitely not an audiophile's dream :)

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Re: Rogers SIM (Canada) causing crash on Dialer

[Kalle Happonen]

Sparrow wrote:
> Hi Folks, 
>
> I have an issue with a rogers (Canada) SIM card crashing the
> dialer application when a call is started.  After hitting "dial" on the
> dialer app the screen moves cuts over to the out going call screen and
> then the dial crashes.  I have tried another SIM from a friend's 1st gen
> iPhone and it works without issue.  This SIM does work in several other
> phones without issue.  Where should I start to debug this issue?  
> Thanks for your time and help. 
>
>   
My Swiss Orange card shows the same symptoms, but only intermittently. 
Much of the time, I can call and receive calls. Sometimes after a the 
phone has been on for a while the dialer crashes when I try to call, or 
dialer looks like it's dialing, but nothing happens. When this happens I 
can't receive calls or sms's either. A reboot solves the problem. Any 
idea where to start debugging? I run the latest scaredycat (as of last 
thursday). I have also had dialing/receiving problems when I tested ASU.

Cheers,
Kalle Happonen


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> Steven O'Reilly
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Re: Matchbox Keyboard Layout Change

[arne anka]

hi, the xml you posted to the wiki was not well formed.
i fixed it but since i lost my wiki password, i can't update the page.
i append the xml here -- maybe someone puts it in there (hope, it gets not  
distorted ...).





  
  


  


  
  


  
  


  
  
  


  
  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  
  


  
  
  


  
  
  


  
  
  


  
  
  


  
  

   
 



  


  


  
  


  


  
  
  


  
  


  
  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  
  


  



 


  


  
  


  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  





  
  


  


  
  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  






  


 


 


  


  


  


  


  


  


  











  


  


  


  


  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  


  


  
  


  


  
  


  

  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  

  
  


  
  


  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  


  


  
  


  
  
  


  
  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


 



  


  


  
  


  


  
  


  
  


  
  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  



  


  


  
  


  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  





  
  


  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  
  


  






  


  


  


  


  


 

Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

[arne anka]

> Awesome, nobody ever mentioned this marvel... got to give this a try
> tonight!

let us know how it turned out!

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Re: Import Contacts

[Jeffrey Ratcliffe]

2008/7/20 Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I just tried again, and I managed to get these symptoms when running
> the script too soon after a boot.  The second run went on fine.  Maybe
> something needs the daemon to be started, and it's not started
> initially...

OK. A reboot got this working.

Does this mean the dbus daemon has to be restarted between changes
file-side/GUI-side and your script?

I started out by making the mistake of copying my Evolution db across...

I'll do some testing.

Presumably people have started thinking about syncing Thunderbird and
Evolution with OM?

Jeff

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Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

[Tobias Diedrich]

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 2008/7/19 Tobias Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Looking at the Freerunner connector, it looks like it's really a
> > Mini-B Female connector instead of the Mini-AB Female connector as
> > stated on
> > http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
> >
> > Can someone else confirm this?
> 
> Yes. See
> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Package_Contents

Well, that doesn't contradict with a Mini-AB female connector though.
As it's name says a Mini-AB femal connector should accept both
Mini-A and Mini-B cables, which makes sense because Mini-B is used
for client mode and Mini-A for host mode and the Freerunner supports
both.

The wrong connector means that an 'offical' USB-OTG cable like
http://www.amazon.de/Hama-00074214-OTG-Kabeladapter-Mini-USB-A-Stecker-USB-A-Kupplung/dp/B000EORX7U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1216581564&sr=8-1
can't be used unfortunately...

And I can't find a USB-A receptacle to Mini-USB-A plug cable on amazon. :/
Only this plug-adapter (maybe, it does not explicitly state A or B
AFAICS), which will work I guess, but I'd rather like a cable.
http://www.amazon.de/Adapter-BUCHSE-Stecker-Verl%C3%A4ngerung-Anschluss/dp/B001372BVA/ref=sr_1_44?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1216581654&sr=8-44
Seems like I'll have to cannibalize the Hama cable. ^_^;

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RE: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in SanFrancisco?

[steve]

The T shirts are planned, and I need to know how many debug boards and
spares kits
I need to pick up from Fremont to give away to volunteers.

And pat needs firm commitments to build a schedule.

 

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Subject: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in
SanFrancisco?

Openmoko will be at Linuxworld, and needs to staff two booths: One in the
main vendor area, and another in the Linux Garage.

As we are a small understaffed team, we would love it if some of you could
commit to helping us.

If you are on this mailing list, you already know enough to answer the most
common question: "What is Openmoko?".

As for more technical questions, don't worry - you already know a lot, and
you can always defer questions to one of us.

In return we plan some sort of appreciation, perhaps in the form of T-shirts
or some other Openmoko swag, and you will be the proud owner of our undying
gratitude :-) You will also be able to ask Steve all those difficult
questions you've been saving up.

It's also a great opportunity for us to get to know you, no matter how much
or little time you can commit to helping.

LinuxWorld is August 4-7, in San Francisco.

Please let me know right away so that I can arrange for badges.

Passes for the exhibit hall are free! Register at
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register//SN335015

If there is interest we will also hold a BoF session.

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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

[Joseph Reeves]

Josch won the community member of the month (week) in March for
getting it working:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Member_of_the_Week

Not that this really helps the OP, who seemingly knew about this already ;-)

Joseph



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RE: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[steve]

Ya jOERG,

 Micheal jump started my battery in about 2 seconds. It was a Young
Frankenstein momement!
 Without the sparks or pretty assistents. Anyways, my reanimated battery
still works fine.

 Anecdotal I know. 

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To: Joerg Reisenweber
Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full
down



Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> Am Mi  16. Juli 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
>> Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
>>
>>> Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out.
>>>
>> Joerg, can you explain this further?
>>
>> I've actually had excellent luck jump-starting the battery. I set my 
>> adjustable power supply at about 4.5V and I connect it directly to 
>> the battery terminals for just a second, then measure the voltage on 
>> the battery. If the battery voltage is still zero, I repeat. Usually 
>> after a few "shocks" the battery comes out of its internal under-voltage
protection.
>>
>> I understand that GTA01 batteries have no hysteresis and need just 
>> one "shock" (in fact Werner said "one electron" I think) to come out 
>> of under-voltage protection. I understand that GTA02 batteries have 
>> hysteresis and require more coulombs injected before they will recover.
> 
> I'm just suspicious a shock-reanimated battery holds enough power 
> (=voltage) to bring us over the boot gap, and won't activate 
> protection again just in no-time when we try to pull energy. That's 
> all. Of course you can shockstart battery out of protect-mode, no 
> doubt. But did you get a boot with such a bat?


I thought so, yes, but I'll check again to verify.

Michael

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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

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Awesome, nobody ever mentioned this marvel... got to give this a try
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Re: Special Letters?

[doron]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:18:37 +0200 Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
>   
>> arne anka, 2008-07-20 16:01:34 +0200 :
>>
>> 
>>> sadly enough i currently have no clue what causes the lack of
>>> anything non-ascii, would have expected he fr to be unicode driven.
>>>   
>> I think it is Unicode driven.  My contacts have some non-ascii
>> characters in their names, and they display just fine.  I guess the
>> problem is mostly the input method.
>> 
>
> in ASU (not in current .dev build though, but in SVN for illume) the keyboard
> layout is customisable via a config file and can produce any keystroke that x
> is capable of (so it can produce ä, ó, ñ, ø etc.) but i don't have a layout
> that has every one of these in it currently, but it's a simple text file to 
> put
> in a directory (.kbd file). for now it has 3 layouts, simply letters-only
> qwerty, "numeric" that covers the other keys (numbers, symbols) and a few
> accented chars, and a full qwerty layout (ok it is missing F1-F12, Pause/Break
> and PrtSc/SysRq but ... if u really want u can try cram them in somehow...). i
> will add anther key layout for "intl" chars (accented ones etc.).
>
> in the end i imagine people might do custom layouts for a language (eg german
> would only have ä, ö, ü and ß). romainian some other set, danish another set.
> etc. nice simple text files for everyone to enjoy :) this should allo for a
> greek and russian layout too, katakana/hragana, hangul, thai, ... anything
> really. but right now right-to-left languages wont work (well)
> (arabic/farsi/hebrew). unfortunatly that is really near the bottom of my 
> list...
>
>   
I am using the 2007.2 ( and the qtopia image, from SD card) image and I 
am using Hebrew in my FreeRunner (include right - to -left) read and write.

in the qtopia image I can read Hebrew SMS massages (right-to- left) but 
I didn't try to change / re-map the keyboard to Hebrew .

works fine for me.

- doron


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Re: Import Contacts

[Roland Mas]

Jeffrey Ratcliffe, 2008-07-20 20:13:29 +0200 :

> I have the same problem, and additionally, the dump option runs
> without error, but also without output.

I just tried again, and I managed to get these symptoms when running
the script too soon after a boot.  The second run went on fine.  Maybe
something needs the daemon to be started, and it's not started
initially...

Roland.
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RE: $106 in Brokerage!!?!!?!

[steve]

 
Buy it from koolu in canada.

See our distributor page.
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Hi Steve,

Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada

Best Regards,
Ben Cadieux

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:47 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where do you live?
>
>  My total focus has been on signing up distributors in various 
> countries so that shipping And handling is less.
>
>
>
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>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just figured I would reply again to this to update everyone.  I wasn't 
> home that first day they tried delivering it (and left a note 
> requesting $106 to be ready for when they come again)...
>
> The next day they came and said brokerage was $166, not $106 (moving 
> the brokerage fee from $58 to $118).  I sent them away, called around, 
> and got another broker to handle it.  It's going back to the border 
> for re-consignment and it'll be re-delivered to me.
>
> I can't tell you how angry I am at UPS.  I've had items shipped via 
> USPS before and brokerage was very reasonable.  If you guys can 
> switch, please do.
>
> Best Regards,
> Ben Cadieux
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Re: Battery Lifetime

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the
| latest daily builds (2008-07-16 I think).  I have a theory.  I suspect
| bluetooth isn't really being turned off when I think it is any more.
| The factory image ran with a dimmed screen (no suspend) for a good 6
| hours and only drained to 64% according to asm.  The latest daily
| build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s).
| How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power?

There's two levels of supicion you can apply to check what's really
going on.  First there is a logical enable signal that is reported by

cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on

This would report 0 if the BT stuff was logically "off".

If it still doesn't satisfy the suspicion, you can quite directly check
if it is being given power by the PMU.

cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs

will (after a little pause while it grabs them) dump the whole PMU
register state.  BT is powered off LDO4, it means registers 0x33 and
0x34 are interesting.  The LDO is powered if b0 of 0x34 is '1', it
should be disabled if it claims BT is off.

However, WLAN is much hungrier than BT.  Maybe it can be that?

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Matchbox Keyboard Layout Change

[Alexander Syring]

Hi
I made an howto change matchbox layout 

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Change_keyboard_layout

have fun

regards
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Re: Import Contacts

[Roland Mas]

C R McClenaghan, 2008-07-16 10:35:13 -0700 :

> All,
>
> I get the following error using manage-contacts.py in the following
> way from SSH:
>
>   python manage-contacts.py load  dbus.exceptions.DBusException:
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "addContact" with
> signature "s" on interface
> "org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.addressbook.Book" doesn't exist
>
> I have installed via opkg python-dbus per wiki instructions.

Strange.  It still works here.  You do have openmoko-contacts2
installed, right?  You're not using ASU or Qtopia or something?

Roland.
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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

[Joseph Reeves]

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian

?



2008/7/20 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>
> | When running an SD card install of Debian on the FR, using the
> git.openmoko
>
> First, WHOO I love the idea of another distro not coming out of Open
> Embedded.  Please let us know how it's going or if you are sending out
> any images for other folks to try.
>
> | kernel... when i need the kernel headers to compile a module / driver
> on the
> | device, how can I do so?
>
> I don't know if OE / OM generate a packaged one, but it's OK you can
> take on generating them.
>
> clone the Openmoko kernel git tree following instructions here
>
> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary
>
> ~ cp defconfig-2.6.24 .config
>
> then run the
>
> ~ ./build
>
> script after setting your toolchain path in that script.
>
> Making the kernel headers from a kernel tree is really simple, you just go
>
> ~ make ARCH=arm headers_install
>
> and they can be found in ./usr/include
>
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RE: Web server on the phone?

[steve]

The end goal after FSO is complete is to make UI creation on the phone as
simple as web page
Creation.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:35 AM
To: community
Subject: Web server on the phone?

Basically all of my experience writing UIs is on the web.  I'd like to run a
webserver on the phone, so I can write dirt-simple UIs that way, rather than
getting tied up in GTK/e/Qt.

I see that there's a busybox server:

http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/busybox-httpd_1.11.0-r2_armv
4t.ipk

One might also consider thttpd:

http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/

Or shttpd:

http://shttpd.sourceforge.net/

I suspect any of them would be OK for serving static files.  However, I
wonder if CGI would be feasible.  I'm guessing that spawning a shell script
wouldn't be too hard, but I suspect that spinning up a whole python process
might be a bit much for the little arm CPU.  Anyone have any thoughts on
that?

Since I'm quite familiar with Django (http://www.djangoproject.com), I
thought I might just run the Django development server, which has a toy-ish
httpd server built in.  That way I'd already have python running, so I'd
avoid all the fork/exec/load-libraries overhead.

Not really sure where I'm going with this, just throwing out ideas to see if
anyone says yea or nay.

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Bug #1277 revisited

[Matthias Schulze]

Hi all,

from this report

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1277

I conclude accellerometer readings from from /dev/input/event2
and /dev/input/event3 should now work just fine.

However, even after flashing the latest kernel
(uImage-2.6.24+git21
+642cbda5f3b7e7a61512426e1d30a41ab4691123-r0-om-gta02.bin)

I only got a readout with hexdump /dev/input/event3, no readout with
hexdump /dev/input/event2. I stopped the xserver and got a readout with
on both events (2,3). After restarting the xserver I got a readout at
event2 none at event3, so it was the opposite way around.  

Well, I stopped the xserver again, and both events (2,3) gave a readout.
I started the xserver again and I got a readout at event3, none at
event2. So the behaviour switched again.

Well, what does it mean?








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Re: USB Host Mode for Wifi Card - help!

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| When I boot the Neo, I execute the command: echo 1 >
| /sys/devices/platform/neo-1973-pm-host.0/hostmode
|
| Once I run the above command viola – my powered USB comes to life
| (although there is also a light that comes on to inform me that the
| Freerunner is charging it... Which seems to somewhat defeat the purpose
| of a powered USB hub a little :>/

There are two parts to host mode on Freerunner, logical and power.  You
have found the power one which enables 5V @ 500mA out of the USB socket
(so you don't need a battery hub).

What you're missing is the bit that sets logical host mode in the USB
peripheral in the CPU:

~ echo host > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode

This makes it "do the host thing" down the USB socket and enumerate your
WLAN device, etc.

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Re: Proper mixer settings for music playback, or hardware fixes?

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am So  20. Juli 2008 schrieb Timo Jyrinki:
> 2008/7/18 Hans L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Just a guess here since I haven't even had a chance to look at these
> > settings yet, but maybe the second frequency(after the @ symbol)
> > represents the sample rate?  So depending on the sample rate you are
> > playing, you can set a different bass frequency cutoff?
> 
> 2008/7/18 Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Please refer to Wolfson WM8753 datasheet - link to be found on wiki
> 
> I checked the datasheet. Indeed it means sample rate, but one that
> scales. There's a table specifying eg. that if you select 100Hz
> cut-off @ 16kHz, it means that at 48kHz the cut-off is 300Hz. I guess
> the names in alsamixer have been chosen according to even numbers, so
> that they actually really scale from lowest setting to highest.
> 
> It's just that the scale seems to be opposite to reality, ie. the
> highest cut-off frequency actually results in the lowest. Most
> probably the setting I chose (200Hz @ 8kHz -> 1200Hz @ 48kHz) actually
> represents 130Hz @ 48kHz, and the one named as such (130Hz @ 48kHz) is
> in reality that 1200Hz @ 48kHz since it sounds so thinny.
> 
> Problem solved, the cut-off is 130Hz which is quite high for
> headphones but ok for portable speakers.

nah, this is +-3dB point - not exactly cutoff.
so if you select 130Hz @ 48kHz and try to boost bass frequencies you get poor 
results, as there is only a boost of frequency below 130Hz.
It's not reversed, it's just not cutoff frequency if you chose positive value 
for bass level.
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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| When running an SD card install of Debian on the FR, using the
git.openmoko

First, WHOO I love the idea of another distro not coming out of Open
Embedded.  Please let us know how it's going or if you are sending out
any images for other folks to try.

| kernel... when i need the kernel headers to compile a module / driver
on the
| device, how can I do so?

I don't know if OE / OM generate a packaged one, but it's OK you can
take on generating them.

clone the Openmoko kernel git tree following instructions here

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary

~ cp defconfig-2.6.24 .config

then run the

~ ./build

script after setting your toolchain path in that script.

Making the kernel headers from a kernel tree is really simple, you just go

~ make ARCH=arm headers_install

and they can be found in ./usr/include

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

[Ville-Pekka Vainio]

Andy Green wrote:
> Thanks for this report, I went and looked and found I didn't take care
> of the case where last packet transferred was not a bulk read packet:
> that what happens on resume.  I added a patch to stable branch that
> should be out tomorrow hopefully and give the same SD_CLK performance
> with or without resumes.

Thanks for fixing it. I'll test it more once the new kernel build hits the 
repos.


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Re: USB Host Mode for Wifi Card - help!

[Brad Midgley]

Gino

> The card is recognized but the driver is super buggy. I've just finished
> compiling a new kernel doing away with the mac80211 version for the
> ieee80211 one. This 'should' resolve the issue with the card for me.

I'm curious... are you using an external adapter so you can get
monitor, master, etc modes?

I've looked without much success for a usb adapter that will do master mode.

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Re: Import Contacts

[Jeffrey Ratcliffe]

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2008/7/16 C R McClenaghan :
> I get the following error using manage-contacts.py in the following
> way from SSH:
>
>  python manage-contacts.py load
> [removed listing of first vcard entry]
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "manage-contacts.py", line 92, in
> load_contacts ()
>   File "manage-contacts.py", line 61, in load_contacts
> ab.addContact (contacts [k])
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 140,
> in __call__
> **keywords)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line
> 607, in call_blocking
> message, timeout)
> dbus.exceptions.DBusException:
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "addContact" with
> signature "s" on interface
> "org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.addressbook.Book" doesn't exist

I have the same problem, and additionally, the dump option runs
without error, but also without output.

Any ideas?

Regards

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Re: g_ether as module

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Michael Kluge wrote:
> OK, thanks.
> 
> iface usb0 inet static
>  pre-up ifconfig usb0 hw ether 6E:A3:B3:D1:4E:24
>  address 192.168.0.202
>   ...
> 

You should be able to do:

iface usb0 inet static
  hwaddress ether 6E:A3:B3:D1:4E:24
  address 192.168.0.202
  ...

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missing Wlan icon in title

[Bastian Feder]

Hey folks,
I currently installed the latest image and rootfs from
(http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080720/; not
qtopia).
I installed it on an SD card. I soon realized that the WLan icon in
the title bar is missing - no matter if WLan is activated or not.

Any one an idea?

thx
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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Timo Jyrinki wrote:
|> Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new kernel
|> and GPS when SD card is used?
|
| Yes, I just did some testing. The phone had been on for about 12 hours
maybe
| and had gone through multiple suspend-wakeup cycles. TTFF was around 10
| minutes. Then I switched off the phone and switched it back on, after
that
| TTFF was about 40 seconds.
|
| Now that I came back indoors, the phone still has a fix and with older
kernels
| it could not keep the fix if I went indoors. So it seems the software fix
| isn't perfect yet (it can't "recover" from suspend or something), but
if you
| always "start fresh", it does work well.

Thanks for this report, I went and looked and found I didn't take care
of the case where last packet transferred was not a bulk read packet:
that what happens on resume.  I added a patch to stable branch that
should be out tomorrow hopefully and give the same SD_CLK performance
with or without resumes.

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Re: g_ether as module

[Jay Vaughan]

> Fwiw, it might still be desirable to move g_ether to a module, since  
> then we
> can switch to other modes (storage) at runtime.


and don't forget g_audio and g_midi while we're at it ..

;
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Re: Rules based policy engine

[David Pottage]

On Sun, July 20, 2008 3:28 pm, arne anka wrote:
> a gsm cell is usually much bigger than most restaurants -- and gps might
> not be available inhouse.

True, but you can still use the GSM cell to determine that you are not in
the restaurants, because you are in a different cell on the other side of
town. The rule interpreter could check he GSM cell ID to determine if you
might be near enough to a significant point before starting the GPS to
determine your exact location.

Alternatively, the user might decide that for most rules, the approximate
location from the GSM cell is good enough. For example, my local cinema is
in a fairly isolated spot out of town. If I am within a couple of miles of
it, the chances are I will be going to the cinema shortly, or I have just
left, so a rule switching the phone to silent mode if I am in the same GSM
cell as the cinema would be good enough.

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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

hm... or alter clocking pulse sufficiently for unstable SD performance
with some (or all) SDs... how could we know for sure unless verified
empirically...  (noone could guess that having SD impacts GPS for quite
a while, right?)

I am not yet planing to do this hw mod on my phone, thus I can't really
compare, and it would be great if anyone having such modded phone (I
guess OM people) do such a simple test (basic IO testing of SD card
similar to the ones which were posted to this list before).

NB It would be really pathetic if then after new 'fixed' units are
shipped, and new owners start complain that 50% of SD cards do not work
or get significant performance reduction, right? So why not to make sure
(I bet they already did smth like that thus it is just for someone from
OM give results with numbers)

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:

> This additional capacitor has been added between clock and GND for the 
> SD card. So it is most probably just there to filter frequencies higher 
> than the clock rate itself.

> Michael
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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

it is just that 'off while not active' seems to not explain why
Ville-Pekka Vainio reports effects of slow TTFF after suspend/resume
cycles... but let me just stop here -- I should just check out myself
instead of blurbing ;-)

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:

> Hello,

> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > anyone knows if the software patch which was done has any hooks in user
> > space so the same procedure (shut off SD while getting FF) could be
> > initiated manually (from a script or so)?

> AFAIK, the patch doesn't work that way - ie there is no "shut off SD
> card while we do something else" procedure. Instead the SD card is
> shut off (ie. clock disabled) when it is idle.
> So as long as you avoid reading from or writing to the SD card you
> should be fine.

> HTH
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RE: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[steve]

We are working out the terms.

First step is to get the description of the modifiaction accurately
documented and tested. 

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Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue 

Tony,

Will OpenMoko offer this repair to Freerunner owners? How and under what
terms?

Chris

On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:

> Dear Community:
>
> For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a 
> hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post it late, 
> because we have to make sure this fix works and don't have side 
> effects.
>
> Here is the fix:
>
> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
>
> This fix could give almost same performance with SD card out of case.
>
> But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need 
> proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder 
> technique.
>
> We saw people ask about service issues of Openmoko devices, and we are 
> working on it. Our sales discussing with our distributor about proper 
> services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep update it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony Tu
>
> Openmoko, Inc.
>
> Support
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Re: Special Letters?

[Michele Renda]

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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> in the end i imagine people might do custom layouts for a language (eg german
> would only have ä, ö, ü and ß). romainian some other set, danish another set.

I think i can help we collect a series of layout to ship with Freerunner.

If we collect a person for every country we can provide a full set of
keyboard layout (we can see the key are available in our keyboard). They
are text file so them will not take too much space.
We need something to easily swith from a layout to the other (if it
doesn't exist yet).

Regards
Michele

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Re: Special Letters?

[The Rasterman]

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:18:37 +0200 Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> arne anka, 2008-07-20 16:01:34 +0200 :
> 
> > sadly enough i currently have no clue what causes the lack of
> > anything non-ascii, would have expected he fr to be unicode driven.
> 
> I think it is Unicode driven.  My contacts have some non-ascii
> characters in their names, and they display just fine.  I guess the
> problem is mostly the input method.

in ASU (not in current .dev build though, but in SVN for illume) the keyboard
layout is customisable via a config file and can produce any keystroke that x
is capable of (so it can produce ä, ó, ñ, ø etc.) but i don't have a layout
that has every one of these in it currently, but it's a simple text file to put
in a directory (.kbd file). for now it has 3 layouts, simply letters-only
qwerty, "numeric" that covers the other keys (numbers, symbols) and a few
accented chars, and a full qwerty layout (ok it is missing F1-F12, Pause/Break
and PrtSc/SysRq but ... if u really want u can try cram them in somehow...). i
will add anther key layout for "intl" chars (accented ones etc.).

in the end i imagine people might do custom layouts for a language (eg german
would only have ä, ö, ü and ß). romainian some other set, danish another set.
etc. nice simple text files for everyone to enjoy :) this should allo for a
greek and russian layout too, katakana/hragana, hangul, thai, ... anything
really. but right now right-to-left languages wont work (well)
(arabic/farsi/hebrew). unfortunatly that is really near the bottom of my list...

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Re: g_ether as module

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Fwiw, it might still be desirable to move g_ether to a module, since then we 
can switch to other modes (storage) at runtime.

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Re: g_ether as module

[Michael Kluge]

OK, thanks.

iface usb0 inet static
 pre-up ifconfig usb0 hw ether 6E:A3:B3:D1:4E:24
 address 192.168.0.202
...


Works now.


Michael

Michael Kluge schrieb:
> Well, sounds reasonably :) I'll try again and call ifconfig from pre-up 
> in /etc/network/interfaces.
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> arne anka schrieb:
>>> it does not let me change the MAC. It always says: resource busy.
>> you need to shut down the interface before.
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Re: g_ether as module

[Michael Kluge]

Well, sounds reasonably :) I'll try again and call ifconfig from pre-up 
in /etc/network/interfaces.


Michael

arne anka schrieb:
>> it does not let me change the MAC. It always says: resource busy.
> 
> you need to shut down the interface before.
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Re: g_ether as module

[arne anka]

> it does not let me change the MAC. It always says: resource busy.

you need to shut down the interface before.

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Re: g_ether as module

[Michael Kluge]

it does not let me change the MAC. It always says: resource busy.

Michael

arne anka schrieb:
> not sure, where g_ether comes into the picture, but what's wrong with  
> ifconfig?
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