Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Marc Bantle]

Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
> 1. how many people want this?
>   
+1
> 2. does anyone in the community step up and compile the distribution  
> for GTA01? (there will be some work: size reduction, GPS chip, etc)
>   
I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So
size reduction is not necessarily an issue. Actually I'd
rather have the complete 2008.08 suite.

How are other GTA01 users thinc about that?

Marc



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Re: usb charging rates

[Brad Midgley]

Ian

This may be related to windows needing a real usb driver for the fr.

brad

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Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

[Nathan Kinkade]

2008/8/11 Dylan Semler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> I too am getting "Connect script failed".  I got it as well with 2007.2.
>
> # pppd debug nodetach call tmobile
> timeout set to 15 seconds
> send (\K\K\K\d+++ATH^M)
> expect (OK)
> alarm
> send (AT^M)
> expect (OK)
> alarm
> Failed
> Connect script failed
>
> --
> Dylan

Dylan,

I have got that error before, too.  Just for the sake of testing, try this:

1) Create/modify the files precisely like I posted them in the first messages
2) Halt your Freerunner completely.
3) Boot the Freerunner from the halted state.
4) Get and SSH over USB connection in one terminal and launch "logread -f"
5) Wait for the flurry of boot messages to die down
6) Open another SSH connection in a new terminal.
7) Run "# pon tmobile"
8) Switch to the terminal running logread and see what happens.

This much worked for me, but a cold boot was necessary for some reason.

I've been playing around with it, and I definitely have some sort of
connection because I can point the browser to a site like
http://wap.myvoicestream.com and I at least get an error page page
telling me that my account hasn't been configured.  Maybe T-Mobile
quit offering any free WAP services, or else I just don't know the
right proxy settings.

I'm content GPRS is now working for me.  The next step will be to
figure out a way to switch between phone functionality and GPRS
without a halt/restart.  And even better would be multiplexing of the
voice and data so that one could still receive calls while connected
via GPRS.

Nathan

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usb charging rates

[Ian Stephen]

Charging my Freerunner on a dual boot laptop.  Freerunner is running Qtopia 
from microSD card.

Under Windows XP, on Freerunner
cat sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type
reports "host/500mA usb mode 100mA"

But under Ubuntu it reports "host/500mA usb mode 500mA"

Ran cat sys/devices/.../charger_type repeatedly while rebooting the laptop 
from Windows to Ubuntu and the charging mode changed from 100mA to 500mA very 
near the beginning of Ubuntu booting.

Does Windows not speak the same USB protocol as the Freerunner?
Can't all computer USB ports provide 500mA?

IanS

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Re: zhone on the desktop?

[Joachim Breitner]

[Resending from my other address]

Hi,

Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 17:14 +0200 schrieb Witoslaw Koczewski:
> I would like to learn FSO development by modifying zhone. Is there a
> way to run zhone on my ubuntu desktop or do I need to test on a neo
> device?

If you want you can use the packages provided on
http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/
there you can just to 
apt-get install zhone
and
apt-get source zhone
and use the other Debian/Ubuntu-like development tools. Some of the
build dependencies can be found in Debian experimental

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

[Nathan Kinkade]

2008/8/11 xaos x <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I can get this working in om2007.2, by disabling gsmd, and performing the 
> other steps in the wiki, but it just doesn't work in 2008.8. I get the 
> connect script failed message. Perhaps there are some other packages you have 
> installed? or are you running a pretty vanilla install of 2008.8 with little 
> modification? This is stumping me.
>
> -Tom

I'm running a vanilla install of 2008.8.  I'm using the jffs2 and
kernel images from here:

http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/

I haven't installed much of anything, or made any fundamental changes
to the configuration.  I did it on a fresh boot.  One thing to note,
and this is related to Chris's earlier post, connecting with GPRS
irrevocably breaks GSM, and no amount of changing the power state of
the chip would recover it.  Actually not even a reboot would bring the
use of the phone/dialer back.  I had to halt the system and then boot
it.  Presumably rebooting doesn't power down the chip and so it stays
in some sort of inconsistent state.  If anyone knows how to recover
the use of GSM after using GPRS, that would be useful.

My only suggestion at the moment would be to totally power down the
device, get a fresh boot and then trying "pon tmobile" before doing
anything else, especially before using the phone.

Nathan

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Vikas Saurabh]

I had similar problems with my accels from these imagesperhaps one needs
some kernel module installed as well. Nonetheless, I tried 2008.8 (check out
wiki to see where to get the rootfs and kernel) and accels worked out of the
box.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Monday 11 August 2008 12:44:10 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > Your probably using an older version, since what you just saw in the
> video
> > is not released yet :)
> > I will release a package this week.
> > try hexdump /dev/input/event2
> > and hexdump /dev/input/event3
> >
> > and restart your Neo :)
>
> Yes I am.
>
> hexdump /dev/input/event2 and hexdump /dev/input/event3 output nothing.
>  Even if I pick up my neo and wiggle it (Not sure if that's necessary.. but
> I thought I'd try it.. :/  Since it's just giving me nothing)
>
> No debug output in dmesg (When I try reading, or that I can find in the
> bootup output)
>
> I just tried upgrading my kernel (
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080810/uImage-2.6.24+git32+2438a8c74c495c95f5b78301a44ed8e8d0b267d5-r2-om-gta02.bin),
> rebooting, etc.  Same problem.
>
> Perhaps my accelerometers are broken?  I imagine it's either that or the
> kernel.  I opened a ticket on bugzilla.
>
> > Paul
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hm.  Didn't work when I tried your gesd-neo.sh script.  No output.
> > >
> > > So, I tried the accelerometer test script here
> > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval  Still no
> > > output.
> > >
> > > Is there something I have to do to turn the accelerometers on?
> > >
> > > On Monday 11 August 2008 03:35:39 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> > > showing
> > > > what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures
> project:
> > > >
> > >
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> > > >
> > > > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI,
> but I
> > > > will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> you've
> > > just
> > > > seen in the YouTube video.
> > > >
> > > > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> have
> > > > encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > > > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> contrary,
> > > I
> > > > will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary
> > > development
> > > > target.
> > > >
> > > > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daniel Benoy
> > > http://daniel.benoy.name
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camera for freerunner (was Re: What will be in GTA03?)

[robin paulson]

Tim Schmidt wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I don't think people will be willing to pay an extra $200 just to get a 
>> camera in there.
> 
> Please do some research before making baseless comments.  Camera
> modules do not cost $200.  More like $10.  Less in quantity.  See
> here:
> 
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668

ah, very nice. ok resolution, and decent docs too

did i read somewhere that there is an unused camera interface somewhere 
in the neo, or have i imagined that? failing that, it talks i2c, so 
connecting via that should be possible?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C

i tried looking on the wiki for info on the camera interface, but the 
search function is not great

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Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Tim Erwin]

> Is there a way to get the signal strength from the api or directly
> from the gsm? Then we could see if there are any actual differences.

In response to my own question, directly talking to the gsm I think we
can get the signal strength with AT+CSQ
but I have no idea how to do this with the qtopia image as the
commands on the wiki are for the openmoko distro

Tim

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Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Tim Erwin]

> What I mean is, I had a stock OM build, that I had updated with opkg.
> Then I went and flashed it with the two files in the qtopia package this
> morning, that qtopia had just released.  I haven't tried to update it at
> all after flashing with qtopia.  But I notice the reception seems
> weaker, both in terms of how many bars I see, and how much spottier the
> coverage is in places where it was fine yesterday.

Oh ok, did you see this in the previous qtopia image?

>  There is no standard for what each bar represents. There's no
> industry defined standard for it. So it's quite possible that two
> different phone OSes will represent the same signal strength with a
> different number of bars.

Is there a way to get the signal strength from the api or directly
from the gsm? Then we could see if there are any actual differences.

Tim

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Spares - broken case or LCD, ...

[Ian Stirling]

Is there any way to purchase cases or LCDs in the event of breakage?
Also, I would like a few cases, to play with adding wifi to GTA01, for 
which I need to modify the case a bit, and I may break it.

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Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Lon Lentz]

  There is no standard for what each bar represents. There's no
industry defined standard for it. So it's quite possible that two
different phone OSes will represent the same signal strength with a
different number of bars.


On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Paul Buede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What I mean is, I had a stock OM build, that I had updated with opkg.
> Then I went and flashed it with the two files in the qtopia package this
> morning, that qtopia had just released.  I haven't tried to update it at
> all after flashing with qtopia.  But I notice the reception seems
> weaker, both in terms of how many bars I see, and how much spottier the
> coverage is in places where it was fine yesterday.

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Re: What will be in GTA03?

[Ben Wilson]

Most of the interesting things you can do with a built-in camera are not 
practical if you need to
actually find and plug in a usb camera attachment every time you need 
it. Not to mention how ugly they look.  

A built-in camera is at the top of my wish-list for future GTAXX 
products. There are so many
other things you can do with a camera than general pictures of people 
and places.
-bar code reading
-facial recognition  
-Machine vision
-3D environment mapping, (with multiple neos networked)
-OCR
And they are just a few.

I very much doubt adding a camera would cost the $200 you estimated, i 
expect it would be more like $50 or less
(assuming standard cellphone lens quality).

But, to be honest, i think getting GTA02 stable as an 
everyday-developer-phone is the most important thing right now.
There isn't much point adding more and more features if the current 
phone/features can't be used reliably.

Ben.

Daniel Benoy wrote:
> While we're on the topic of hardware wishlist stuff, I'd like to throw in my 
> two cents ^.^
>
> - Hot swapable SD card slot
> - External wifi antenna connector (Mmmm war driving)
> - Official openmoko car charger (That gives me 1A without having to futz 
> around)
>
> Also, I'd like the camera idea to be an optional extra at most.
>
> The buttons idea isn't so bad too, even though I really like the clean 
> minimalist look the freerunner has right now.
>
> I've responded inline to the comments of the original poster below.
>
> On Saturday 09 August 2008 10:34:32 Monkey D. Luffy wrote:
>   
>> 1) camera (decent one, 3MP or more)
>> Will it be possible to record movies with sound? What resolution?
>> 
>
> Since this phone will not be offered with any contracts (at least at first, 
> depending on how successful it gets), I don't think people will be willing to 
> pay an extra $200 just to get a camera in there.  It's possible for a USB 
> camera/webcam to be attached to the phone when it's in host mode.  If you 
> want to see that, you're more than welcome to go create it yourself.  The CAD 
> files are freely available for the phone, so you could probably readily 
> create a snugly fitting clip-on camera that replaces the back plate, or 
> something.  (Most people don't have te resources for this, but that's fine.  
> If there's enough consumer demand, it will eventually happen)
>
>   
>> 2) buttons on the damn thing :p
>> SNES and GBx all the way :)
>> Or at the very least, sell the GTA03 with an optional control pad:
>> http://www.icontrolpad.com/ But try to make it as small as possible
>> (maybe the control pad overlapping the case) so it doesn't get t big.
>> 
>
> You can already plug USB gamepads into the unit.  Making one that actually 
> connects to the unit so you don't have to awkwardly balance the phone on your 
> lap or something should also be easy enough for an aftermarket manufacturer, 
> but for now you're stuck with duct tape :p
>
>   
>> 3) holder for a small plastic stylus. With an optinal string
>> connecting both, so that if you drop it by chance it doesn't get lost
>> forever in some crack to hell.
>> If possible, keep this in mind if selling the icontrolpad thingy (so
>> the stylus doesn't get trapped there).
>> 
>
> Seems like nitpicking, but I guess it's a valid desire.
>
>   
>> 4) GPS
>> Will I be able to keep maps updated for free?
>> Will it be possible to make use of google maps, in the sense of having
>> the indications on how to get from A to B?
>> 
>
> This is a software issue, not a hardware one.  There's a GPS in the GTA02 and 
> if the right software ever gets created then it will be able to do what you 
> describe.
>
>   
>> 5) USB connector (USB 2.x), in order to connect the phone to the computer
>> 
>
> ?  That's on the side.
>
>   
>> 6) WiFi
>> 
>
> Already in there.
>
>   
>> 7) accelerometers
>> 
>
> Yep.  Got that.
>
>   
>> 8) bluetooth
>> 
>
> Has that too.
>
>   
>> 9) a cute chinese or japanese girl ^_^
>> Well, at least their phone numbers :p
>> 
>
> I would like a cute japanese girl's phone number too, but I think that's up 
> to the sim card manufacturer, or the openmoko software side.
> It would be preferable if the cute japanese girl was really into open source 
> too.  I don't know if that's feasible.
>
>   
>> I heard about xv and glamo and what else... What I need to know is:
>> Will I be able to watch videos or play games (with sound on both) at
>> 640x480 resolution?
>> 
>
> I think we should be able to do this with the hardware that's out there now.  
> Anyone achieved this?
>
>   
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Re: Feed updates

[Norbert Hartl]

On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 02:36 +0200, Holger Freyther wrote:
> On Monday 11 August 2008 14:15:20 Norbert Hartl wrote:
> > Since the release of Om2008.8 there were IMHO no further updates
> > over the feeds. Is this caused by the hard-earned rest of the
> > exhausted developers or has development switched to a dev branch/feed?
> 
> Hey ruediger,
> 
Psst, you are not supposed to tell anyone that other name ;)

> there will be an "testing" feed. It will be public, it is supposed to be used 
> by QA to upgrade from stable images to test bugfixes. These things will move 
> into stable.
> 
Oh yes, I saw the update in the git repo. Very promising way to go
into the direction of something real stable. So it might take a week
or so for new updates to appear? That's ok. Go for it!!!

> Once we have it I'm going to write another mail. Things scheduled for testing 
> are these [1].
> 
I think I'm going to buy a Nokia wireless keyboard and take the
freerunner with me on my holidays. (God, she will hate me!)

Norbert
> 
> z.
> 
> [1] 
> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=shortlog;h=org.openmoko.asu.testing
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Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Paul Buede]

Tim Erwin wrote:
>> Interestingly, I flashed with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release this
>> morning, from my opkg updated stock image, and also notice my signal is
>> weaker.
>> 
>
> I am just using the stock image from qtopia, I haven't done any updating.
> I will do a update and see if I get the same problem. Do you know what
> packages where updated?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim
>
>   
What I mean is, I had a stock OM build, that I had updated with opkg. 
Then I went and flashed it with the two files in the qtopia package this
morning, that qtopia had just released.  I haven't tried to update it at
all after flashing with qtopia.  But I notice the reception seems
weaker, both in terms of how many bars I see, and how much spottier the
coverage is in places where it was fine yesterday.

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Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Lorn Potter]

Jonathan Spooner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been running my freerunner with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release.  Now 
> I'm using it as a phone I've noticed the GSM reception is poor... or 
> more to the point qtopia seems to spend as much time reporting "No 
> network" as it does with a signal.
> 
> Has anylone looked into this?  is it the fault with qtopia? or is it a 
> fact the freerunner does GSM about as good as it does GPS?

The modem/driver on the freerunner seems to be buggier than the 1973. The 1973 
does not have this 
problem even running the exact same modem plugins.

Holger does seem to be looking into this issue.



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Re: Feed updates

[W.Kenworthy]

I tried to do this with 2008.8 to see if the keyboard mod would make it
usable.  What I ended up with was a broken X display - dont know if it
fixed the phone issues (unable to register, where 2007.2 works fine)
that I have as I havent put the SIM in it yet.  I have a white
background with icons but no decorations - huge download with almost
every package upgraded.

BillK


On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 14:10 -0700, Scott Petersen wrote:
> On Mon, August 11, 2008 09:51, Julian Chu wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:15:20PM +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote:
> >
> >> Since the release of Om2008.8 there were IMHO no further updates
> >> over the feeds. Is this caused by the hard-earned rest of the exhausted
> >> developers or has development switched to a dev branch/feed?
> >>
> >> Norbert
> >
> > Hi Norbert,
> >
> >
> > We will keep update the feeds to bring the bug fix :-)
> >
> >
> > Best Regards.
> > -Ju1ian
> 
> Could you tell us how these bug updates will be published?  I had to
> manually download and flash a more recent kernel because of the bug with
> charging. There are other fixes that are making me think to switch back to
> the buildhost feeds. The only thing stopping me is that I have seen
> information (wiki in particular) that make it unclear if buildhost builds
> are up to date and related to 2008.8.
> 
> Cheers
> Scott Petersen
> 
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Re: New user saying hi

[Robert William Hutton]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I don't usually use mailing lists, so I hope it's not bad etiquette just 
> to say hi!

Probably.  But you're not just saying hi, you've got a couple of good 
questions here.

> I've bought a Neo Freerunner and debug board - all looks pretty good so 
> far. This is my first real use of Linux and I'm beginning to feel like 
> I'm throwing myself off the deep end a bit, but I'm a self-taught 

Congrats on making it this far.  Believe me when I say that as a 
programmer you might find it difficult to go back to whatever non-unixy 
OS you used to use.  It's addictive. ;)

> What really interested me about this project however was the possibility 
> that I might be able to get into the user interface development a bit. I 
> have a few ideas for a mobile GUI that I'd like to put into practice. So 

I think you should probably get started with "themes".  In the various 
windowing toolkits that are in use there are themes that control how 
widgets are drawn and such.  For example, the GTK theme files are here:

/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc

See this ML post:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025711.html

There should be similar mechanisms for theming the other toolkits, such 
as qtopia somewhere as well.

So, that allows you to control the appearance of the existing widgets 
and such.  Next you'll need to actually start changing the code of the 
apps that actually draw the widgets.  You'll need to download the 
development environment and start looking at the code.  Which is beyond 
my abilities right now, but there is a bit of info floating around on 
the ML and in the wiki about getting this all set up.

HTH! :)

Cheers,

Rob

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New user saying hi

[chris.barnard]

Hi All,
   
  I don't usually use mailing lists, so I hope it's not bad etiquette just to 
say hi!
   
  I've bought a Neo Freerunner and debug board - all looks pretty good so far. 
This is my first real use of Linux and I'm beginning to feel like I'm throwing 
myself off the deep end a bit, but I'm a self-taught programmer by profession 
so hopefully I can get the hang of it. I've tried out the Qtopia GTA02 release 
and now the OM2008.08 release, finally managed to get connected to the internet 
and am just working my way through a few installers.
   
  What really interested me about this project however was the possibility that 
I might be able to get into the user interface development a bit. I have a few 
ideas for a mobile GUI that I'd like to put into practice. So far, most of my 
research has brought up details on building applications, but very little on 
messing about with interface underneath. Is there currently an SDK or any form 
of information that can help me get started with this? I hope I haven't missed 
any FAQs or something obvious, but I really have been searching for days!
   
  Thanks,
   
  Chris.
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Re: Feed updates

[Holger Freyther]

On Monday 11 August 2008 14:15:20 Norbert Hartl wrote:
> Since the release of Om2008.8 there were IMHO no further updates
> over the feeds. Is this caused by the hard-earned rest of the
> exhausted developers or has development switched to a dev branch/feed?

Hey ruediger,

there will be an "testing" feed. It will be public, it is supposed to be used 
by QA to upgrade from stable images to test bugfixes. These things will move 
into stable.

Once we have it I'm going to write another mail. Things scheduled for testing 
are these [1].


z.

[1] 
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=shortlog;h=org.openmoko.asu.testing

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Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Tim Erwin]

> Interestingly, I flashed with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release this
> morning, from my opkg updated stock image, and also notice my signal is
> weaker.

I am just using the stock image from qtopia, I haven't done any updating.
I will do a update and see if I get the same problem. Do you know what
packages where updated?

Regards,

Tim

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Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

[Dylan Semler]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:29 PM, xaos x <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can get this working in om2007.2, by disabling gsmd, and performing the
> other steps in the wiki, but it just doesn't work in 2008.8. I get the
> connect script failed message. Perhaps there are some other packages you
> have installed? or are you running a pretty vanilla install of 2008.8 with
> little modification? This is stumping me.
>
>
I too am getting "Connect script failed".  I got it as well with 2007.2.

# pppd debug nodetach call tmobile
timeout set to 15 seconds
send (\K\K\K\d+++ATH^M)
expect (OK)
alarm
send (AT^M)
expect (OK)
alarm
Failed
Connect script failed

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Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Paul Buede]

Tim Erwin wrote:
>> I've been running my freerunner with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release.  Now
>> I'm using it as a phone I've noticed the GSM reception is poor... or
>> more to the point qtopia seems to spend as much time reporting "No
>> network" as it does with a signal.
>> 
>
> I am using the qtopia 080808 release and have no problem with the
> reception. Did you notice this with the previous qtopia or openmoko
> release? Or is this a new problem?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim
>   
Interestingly, I flashed with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release this
morning, from my opkg updated stock image, and also notice my signal is
weaker.

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Re: FR, browser and matchbox-keyboard

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Christian Weßel wrote:
> I tried to restart the X but that failed with an unreadable repeating
> error message. Afterwards I had to reboot.

Can you paste your /etc/matchbox/session? There might be an error in it.

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Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Tim Erwin]

> I've been running my freerunner with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release.  Now
> I'm using it as a phone I've noticed the GSM reception is poor... or
> more to the point qtopia seems to spend as much time reporting "No
> network" as it does with a signal.

I am using the qtopia 080808 release and have no problem with the
reception. Did you notice this with the previous qtopia or openmoko
release? Or is this a new problem?

Regards,

Tim

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Re: What will be in GTA03?

[Jan Luebbe]

On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 15:15 +0200, Joachim Steiger wrote:
> Pritam, Ghanghas (IE10) wrote:
> > Hi All
> > 
> > I had put this wish list once but no one considered that I guess. Is it
> > that stupid? At least give your review guys. 
> > 
> > OMAP3530
> > http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html

> nice chip.. basically.. but see this thread:
> http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=42144
> and try to find any specs or documentation about the included powerVR
> SGX530... have fun... its closed.

> in short: the whole 2d/3d accel in that chip would currently be useless
> for us.
> 
> openmoko took opensource serious till now, pushing boundaries further
> where we could.
> we want debuggable architectures. means no binary drivers on the app
> cpu
> for anything for sure. not in userspace, and for sure not in the
> kernel.

I've got a beagle board with debian running on it now, i'll test the
video output when im back to germany. Judgeing what i've seen at
LinuxTag, the 2D performance is great even on 1280x720 (they had no
accelerated X running).

So using the OMAP3530 and leaving the 3D stuff unused seems to be an
option.

Jan


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Re: zhone on the desktop?

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Montag 11 August 2008 17:14:00 schrieb Witoslaw Koczewski:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to learn FSO development by modifying zhone. Is there a way to
> run zhone on my ubuntu desktop or do I need to test on a neo device?

Should be pretty simple. We actually develop most of it on the desktop :)

The hardest part is installing (or compiling) all the dependencies. You need a 
python distribution and most of python-efl (including EFL itself, of course).

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Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Jonathan Spooner]

Hi,

I've been running my freerunner with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release.  Now 
I'm using it as a phone I've noticed the GSM reception is poor... or 
more to the point qtopia seems to spend as much time reporting "No 
network" as it does with a signal.

Has anylone looked into this?  is it the fault with qtopia? or is it a 
fact the freerunner does GSM about as good as it does GPS?

Thoughts?

Regards,

Jon



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Re: Feed updates

[Scott Petersen]

On Mon, August 11, 2008 09:51, Julian Chu wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:15:20PM +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote:
>
>> Since the release of Om2008.8 there were IMHO no further updates
>> over the feeds. Is this caused by the hard-earned rest of the exhausted
>> developers or has development switched to a dev branch/feed?
>>
>> Norbert
>
> Hi Norbert,
>
>
> We will keep update the feeds to bring the bug fix :-)
>
>
> Best Regards.
> -Ju1ian

Could you tell us how these bug updates will be published?  I had to
manually download and flash a more recent kernel because of the bug with
charging. There are other fixes that are making me think to switch back to
the buildhost feeds. The only thing stopping me is that I have seen
information (wiki in particular) that make it unclear if buildhost builds
are up to date and related to 2008.8.

Cheers
Scott Petersen


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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| i played with it a bit and came to the conclusion that it eats exactly
| 1024byte from the beginning of the 'physical' blockdevice. atleast when
| i backup these to nand, write them back via dd after loosing it and do a
| ioctl via fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -> press w to trigger the block layer
| rereading the device i am fine.
|
| sounds weird.. is a buffer getting nulled on suspend, and gets written
| back to disk even if it shouldnt?

Huh.  Well SD is predicated around 512 byte blocks, so it is a 2-block
transaction.  When I dump what the driver sees for requests, they are
usually 2 or 8 512 byte blocks (1KBytes or 4KBytes).  So that part isn't
very foreign to the kind of transactions that are seen.

In 2.6.24 the PMU is taken down real early in suspend, it yanks SD Card
power (and CPU core power LOL) long before the MCI / MMC / SD driver and
stack try to deselect the card nicely.  One of the changes in
andy-2.6.26 is to make Glamo (and other things) a child of the PMU, so
the ordering is all changed around and SD Card can complete suspend
sanely with the card still powered.  The PMU goes down towards the end
of all the suspend actions too which is much better considering CPU core
power.

The main striking thing about the SD Card overwrite issue for me is that
we got rid of it for a long time just by removing the synchronous low
level debug config... we could literally make this overwrite issue come
and go by basically changing timing of suspend and resume actions alone.
~ So I believe that we deal with races at the heart of all this.

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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Steven **]

I'm curious about this theme of yours.

-Steven

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would
> suggest changing the gtk theme to something that doesn't mess up
> visibility of rendering like it has and matches the rest of the theme
> better (I have a theme if anyone wants it).

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Om2008.8 keyboard wishlist

[Daniel Benoy]

I really like the newest on-screen keyboard, but I have some issues with it.  
Here's my wish list:

- Learning
If I use a word it should become a suggestion in the future.  It should 
expire over time, and the more often I use it the more likely it should be to 
be the prominant suggestion.

- Apostrophe
The apostrophe character is used in the middle of ordinary words very 
commonly, and it's cumbersome to switch pages to get to it.  I think perhaps an 
exception should be made and it should have a place on the alphabet page.

- Get what I type
I appreciate the suggestions that come up, but I would prefer it if one of 
the background (less preferable) suggestions was exactly what I typed.  If I 
want to type a non-dictionary word, I have to wait 2 seconds on every character 
push.  I would rather just tap it in, and then say 'okay, now use exactly what 
I typed'.  Alternatively, there could be some button that turns off the 
dictionary anticipation and just sends characters immediately.  (See the next 
suggestion for one such implementation)

- PC standard keyboard
There are some circumstances where I want ctrl, alt, esc, PrintScr and the 
lot.  I'd like some kind of toggle to bring that up when I need it.  I 
recognize that it would be kinda silly to put this kind of functionality into 
an end-user product where those keys aren't likely to be pressed at all, but 
still, it's on my wish-list :)  Maybe there will be some easy way to configure 
that manually at some point.

Also, I'm interested in the imput method software called 'Dasher' 
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/  Perhaps someone might consider 
making a version of this which replaces the om2008.8 keyboard (Or you can 
toggle to it or something.)

Another thing that Dasher does that may be useful with openmoko, is that 
instead of dictionary files, it accepts 'training files' which are example 
files of ordinary typing, and it gets its suggestions for the next 
character/word while your typing from what's contained in that file, and what 
you've typed since.

Keep up the good work everyone! :)  Thanks to everyone who contributed to this 
so far :)
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Re: Navit?

[Mikael Berthe]

* Jeffrey Ratcliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-08-11 21:44 +0200]:
> 
> Except that when I select Route/Destination, it segfaults, complaining
> that xkbd doesn't exist.
> 
> This seems to be known - http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/96
> 
> Has anyone found a workaround?

There's one in the wiki:

A current fix is to set the LANG variable before calling navit. For
example: export LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8; navit

Note that a short syntax (e.g. LANG=fr) would not work. 

(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit)

However, I've been unable to select a destination. :/

HTH,
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Re: Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution

[Olivier Berger]

Clemens Kirchgatterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Olivier Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your indications, but my goal is not to install a *new*
>> system on the SD, but to *transfer* the current one to the SD.
>> 
>> I guess it may be done from the FR itself... but I'm afraid it's
>> difficult to move things from the very live system you're running.
>
> "cp -a /bin /dev /sbin ... /media/sdcard" usually works for me on the
> desktop. remember to leave out /proc /sys a.s.o. though.
>
> hope this helps ...

No problem here, as in the procedure I documented on the wiki, you're
copying a not-live system, as you copy from flash when running from
SD, so /proc and /sys are unmounted.

Best regards,

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Re: Navit?

[Jeffrey Ratcliffe]

2008/8/5 Jeffrey Ratcliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On reflection, this is probably because I threw too big a map at it.
> Without a map, at least it starts.

No. It didn't like something in ~/.navit/navit.xml.

I copied /usr/share/navit/navit.xml to ~/.navit/navit.xml, updated the
map file data, and it is working...

Except that when I select Route/Destination, it segfaults, complaining
that xkbd doesn't exist.

This seems to be known - http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/96

Has anyone found a workaround?

Jeff

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Re: Laptop Replacement update

[Florian Rebstock]

respect. 

Am Montag 11 August 2008 20:56:31 schrieb Michael:
> I didn't expect to get too many visitors viewing the site, so I was
> surprised when the view numbers started to go up and this motivated me
> to try a few more things. The power supply is soldered on a vero board
> now and I have used better capacitors this time.
> The new pictures are here:
> http://www.mamereplay.net/gallery2/main.php
>
> Michael.
>
>
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Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

>For reference, the Qtopia 4.32-080808 uses the kernel named
>uImage-2.6.24+git30+436204281bcd1fe5999ad6589ea7ab1b5360c352-r2-om-gta0
>2.bin
>Ok, so I don't know what that really long name means or who wrote it .
>:-) No one confirmed Yaroslav or corrected him either so this is the
>kernel.
I can confirm ;-) it is stock OM kernel from some date in end of July I
believe -- whenever I got that qtopia tarball I compared to existing one
on the web -- now 200807 is not available from
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807
thus I can't check which one exactly

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om2008.8 is awesome

[xaos x]

OK, the newest image solves the usability hinderences I've encountered and I 
even got GPRS working with the ability to receive incoming calls while online 
using the instructions here 
http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=dda5c6cbf5850182c786488123f056ce.

I finally feel like I have a single direction in which to start developing for 
the Freerunner.

I just wanted to say great work to all of the patient OM developers working on 
this.

-Tom


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Laptop Replacement update

[Michael]

I didn't expect to get too many visitors viewing the site, so I was 
surprised when the view numbers started to go up and this motivated me 
to try a few more things. The power supply is soldered on a vero board 
now and I have used better capacitors this time.
The new pictures are here:
http://www.mamereplay.net/gallery2/main.php

Michael.


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Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!

[Vinc Duran]

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko  wrote:

> well -- correct me if I am wrong, but the irony of the situation is that
> suspend/wakeup is handled by the kernel, and qtopia images use stock
> kernel from OM. Thus whatever suspend/resume achievements you see - they
> are solely due to OM developers.
>
> 

For reference, the Qtopia 4.32-080808 uses the kernel named
uImage-2.6.24+git30+436204281bcd1fe5999ad6589ea7ab1b5360c352-r2-om-gta02.bin

Ok, so I don't know what that really long name means or who wrote it . :-)
No one confirmed Yaroslav or corrected him either so this is the kernel.
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Re: python on FR, need a little help

[Christian Weßel]

After the first start I got some new conf files in /opt/wicd/data/
1. manager-settings.conf
2. wired-settings.conf
3. wireless-settings.conf

Inside [1] I changed the wireless-interface to eth0 und the
wired-interface to usb0. After restart of daemon and gui now I see the
WLAN and LAN around FR. Just the handling is sad, the display is not
reacting about the clicks. So I can't configure any WLAN.

I will research further on, maybe some python guy can help.

christian

Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 17:58 +0200 schrieb Rorschach:
> What happenbs if you start wicd from the console?
> 
> python wicd/daemon.py
> python wicd/gui.py
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

[xaos x]

sorry, i meant for this to be offlist. doh!

-Tom

- Original Message -
From: "xaos x" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:29:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

I can get this working in om2007.2, by disabling gsmd, and performing the other 
steps in the wiki, but it just doesn't work in 2008.8. I get the connect script 
failed message. Perhaps there are some other packages you have installed? or 
are you running a pretty vanilla install of 2008.8 with little modification? 
This is stumping me.

-Tom

- Original Message -
From: "Nathan Kinkade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 5:51:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

I just wanted to share with the community that I have somewhat got
GPRS working T-Mobile on a Freerunner (GTA02) with the August 8
release of Om2008.8.  I'm going to paste a bunch of stuff in here, so
sorry if this email is pretty confused and long.  I need to say up
front that I don't have any data plan with T-Mobile.  I just went to a
T-Mobile store yesterday and bought a SIM chip (US$10) and a pre-paid
plan.  The guy behind the counter asked me what the phone was that I
had.  I explained a little, and then he mentioned something about me
being able to get free data service, that T-Mobile didn't advertise
it, and that it wasn't worth their time to track down who was using it
... I don't know.  He just wrote on my receipt "wap.voicestream.com".

I should also note that I didn't have to modify
/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on, or chown
/dev/ttySAC0, or even do "stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts".  However, in
relation to chowning /dev/ttySAC0, I *did* modify /etc/group and add
the users "uucp" and "ppp" to the group "dialout", which by default
has write permissions on /dev/ttySAC0.

It seems to connect, bring up the ppp0 interface, and get and
configure a number of TCP/IP settings.  Only DNS name resolution seems
to work, but this is probably just because I don't have a data plan,
or haven't figured out what ports are open to the outside world or
what proxy may need to be used.  Any input, or suggestions would be
great.

What I've done required very little modification from this wiki
article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS.  The only files I edited
or created were the ones you see below.  Get ready for a cut-n-paste
fest:

-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/peers/tmobile
lock
/dev/ttySAC0 115200
crtscts
connect /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect
disconnect /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect
hide-password
usepeerdns
ipcp-accept-local
noauth
noipdefault
novj
novjccomp
defaultroute
replacedefaultroute
# Reopen the connection if it fails, pausing for a while.
persist
holdoff 15
# Check the line every 20 seconds and presume
# the peer is gone if no reply for 4 times.
lcp-echo-interval 20
lcp-echo-failure 4

-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect
#!/bin/sh -e
exec chat -v -S -s\
TIMEOUT 15\
"" "\K\K\K\d+++ATH"\
OK-AT-OK ATZ\
OK ATE1\
ABORT BUSY\
ABORT DELAYED\
ABORT "NO ANSWER"\
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"\
ABORT VOICE\
ABORT ERROR\
ABORT RINGING\
TIMEOUT 60\
OK AT+CFUN=1\
OK AT+COPS\
OK AT+CGDCONT=1,\"IP\",\"wap.voicestream.com\"\
OK ATD*99***1#
CONNECT /n/d

-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect
#!/bin/sh -e
/usr/sbin/chat -v\
ABORT OK\
ABORT BUSY\
ABORT DELAYED\
ABORT "NO ANSWER"\
ABORT "NO CARRIER"\
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"\
ABORT VOICE\
ABORT ERROR\
ABORT RINGING\
TIMEOUT 12\
"" "\K\K\K\d+++ATH"\
"NO CARRIER-AT-OK" "\c"

-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
# Secrets for authentication using PAP
# clientserver  secret  IP addresses
*   *   ""  *
-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# pon tmobile
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# logread -f
Aug  9 21:40:52 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: pppd 2.4.3 started
by root, uid 0
Aug  9 21:41:02 om-gta02 daemon.info pppd[1521]: Serial connection established.
Aug  9 21:41:03 om-gta02 daemon.info pppd[1521]: Using interface ppp0
Aug  9 21:41:03 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: Connect: ppp0 <-->
/dev/ttySAC0
Aug  9 21:41:10 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: PAP authentication succ

Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

[xaos x]

I can get this working in om2007.2, by disabling gsmd, and performing the other 
steps in the wiki, but it just doesn't work in 2008.8. I get the connect script 
failed message. Perhaps there are some other packages you have installed? or 
are you running a pretty vanilla install of 2008.8 with little modification? 
This is stumping me.

-Tom

- Original Message -
From: "Nathan Kinkade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 5:51:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

I just wanted to share with the community that I have somewhat got
GPRS working T-Mobile on a Freerunner (GTA02) with the August 8
release of Om2008.8.  I'm going to paste a bunch of stuff in here, so
sorry if this email is pretty confused and long.  I need to say up
front that I don't have any data plan with T-Mobile.  I just went to a
T-Mobile store yesterday and bought a SIM chip (US$10) and a pre-paid
plan.  The guy behind the counter asked me what the phone was that I
had.  I explained a little, and then he mentioned something about me
being able to get free data service, that T-Mobile didn't advertise
it, and that it wasn't worth their time to track down who was using it
... I don't know.  He just wrote on my receipt "wap.voicestream.com".

I should also note that I didn't have to modify
/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on, or chown
/dev/ttySAC0, or even do "stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts".  However, in
relation to chowning /dev/ttySAC0, I *did* modify /etc/group and add
the users "uucp" and "ppp" to the group "dialout", which by default
has write permissions on /dev/ttySAC0.

It seems to connect, bring up the ppp0 interface, and get and
configure a number of TCP/IP settings.  Only DNS name resolution seems
to work, but this is probably just because I don't have a data plan,
or haven't figured out what ports are open to the outside world or
what proxy may need to be used.  Any input, or suggestions would be
great.

What I've done required very little modification from this wiki
article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS.  The only files I edited
or created were the ones you see below.  Get ready for a cut-n-paste
fest:

-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/peers/tmobile
lock
/dev/ttySAC0 115200
crtscts
connect /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect
disconnect /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect
hide-password
usepeerdns
ipcp-accept-local
noauth
noipdefault
novj
novjccomp
defaultroute
replacedefaultroute
# Reopen the connection if it fails, pausing for a while.
persist
holdoff 15
# Check the line every 20 seconds and presume
# the peer is gone if no reply for 4 times.
lcp-echo-interval 20
lcp-echo-failure 4

-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect
#!/bin/sh -e
exec chat -v -S -s\
TIMEOUT 15\
"" "\K\K\K\d+++ATH"\
OK-AT-OK ATZ\
OK ATE1\
ABORT BUSY\
ABORT DELAYED\
ABORT "NO ANSWER"\
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"\
ABORT VOICE\
ABORT ERROR\
ABORT RINGING\
TIMEOUT 60\
OK AT+CFUN=1\
OK AT+COPS\
OK AT+CGDCONT=1,\"IP\",\"wap.voicestream.com\"\
OK ATD*99***1#
CONNECT /n/d

-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect
#!/bin/sh -e
/usr/sbin/chat -v\
ABORT OK\
ABORT BUSY\
ABORT DELAYED\
ABORT "NO ANSWER"\
ABORT "NO CARRIER"\
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"\
ABORT VOICE\
ABORT ERROR\
ABORT RINGING\
TIMEOUT 12\
"" "\K\K\K\d+++ATH"\
"NO CARRIER-AT-OK" "\c"

-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
# Secrets for authentication using PAP
# clientserver  secret  IP addresses
*   *   ""  *
-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# pon tmobile
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# logread -f
Aug  9 21:40:52 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: pppd 2.4.3 started
by root, uid 0
Aug  9 21:41:02 om-gta02 daemon.info pppd[1521]: Serial connection established.
Aug  9 21:41:03 om-gta02 daemon.info pppd[1521]: Using interface ppp0
Aug  9 21:41:03 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: Connect: ppp0 <-->
/dev/ttySAC0
Aug  9 21:41:10 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: PAP authentication succeeded
Aug  9 21:41:11 om-gta02 user.info kernel: [  359.205000] PPP BSD
Compression module registered
Aug  9 21:41:11 om-gta02 user.info kernel: [  359.815000] PPP Deflate
Compression module registered
Aug  9 21:41:13 om-gta02 daemon.warn pppd[1521]: Could not determine
remote IP address: defaulti

Re: No pin dialog/ qpe

[Norbert Hartl]

On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 03:26 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
> Norbert Hartl wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:01 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
> >> Norbert Hartl wrote:
> >>> What is qpe exactly doing? I noticed a lot of problems
> >>> other people reporting like the no pin dialog. Looking 
> >>> at the device qpe uses 100% CPU for a long time. I don't
> >>> understand it but the CPU usage of qpe is capable to slow
> >>> down other things extremely. The SIM Pin dialog is working
> >>> with the new firmware but delayed through qpe.
> >>>
> >>> Holger Freyther gave me the hint that it is looking for 
> >>> media on the SD card. In 
> >>>
> >>> /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf
> >> That is one possible thing it is doing at startup. The idea is that it 
> >> is a phone, and you only startup in rare instances.
> >>
> > If we take a stable phone than you are right. 
> 
> If you develop a phone for only developers, then thats what you get. A 
> phone that only a small niche of developers are going to want to use.
> 
Are you serious? It is no end-user device right now. The behaviour 
at the moment prevents a lot of people to work with the freerunner
(use it as a phone) and therefor prevents acceptance. This change is 
so easy to revert if the situation changes that I can't understand what
you are saying. In my understanding you are forcing a situation which
you state you want to avoid. 

> > But at the moment
> > people need to start often and that leads to a situation where
> > these settings confuse a lot of people. 
> 
> Then take the SD card entry out of the conf file.
> 
I have fixed it already on my freerunner. I just like to give feedback
to the community. In my opinion discussions make sense. I find
something, some discuss it and if it is a good idea than maybe a few
take responsibility and change the code base. If it doesn't work that
way I don't understand the whole thing. There is no need trying to
teach me, thank you.

> > It is even there if
> > you start your phone the first time. To raise user experience
> > this search should be delayed and it should be assured that this
> > search is happening on a very low priority so it does not block
> > anything. There could be even an indicator that is visually
> > announcing the search. But let us be realistic :)
> >>> there is a section where qpe is configured for the media
> >>> it should search. For the SD card every media type is 
> >>> activated. So the qpe searches the SD card after booting
> >>> blocking a lot of other things. There are two issues for
> >>> me:
> >>>
> >>> - it is discussable if these settings are useful as default
> >>>   to search for media on the SD card. While being troublesome
> >>>   I would be against it
> >> If Qtopia is not allowed to search the SD card, it will not be able to 
> >> see/use files on it, so then why have it at all?
> >>
> > Because there is always something in between black and white. There
> > could be some intelligent way to detect when it is necessary to
> > refresh. And users are quite used to know that software is stupid
> > and they praise the existence of a manual trigger for such actions.
> 
> The trigger is someone booting up, or inserting the SD card.

Then you know exactly what it does. What happens if a file is downloaded
from the internet and stored on the SD card? Does qpe recognizes this as
well?
No matter what the answer is the current situation is not optimal. And I
would like to hear rather a proposal how to treat that instead of 
getting an explanation about "how _it_ works [tm]". Thanks again!

regards,

Norbert


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Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!

[Steven **]

I might've spoken too soon.  I think it does help to unmout/remount.

I just noticed that the reason/method of the resume has an effect on
this issue.  In my debugging, I added scripts to /etc/apm/suspend.d/
and /etc/apm/resume.d/ that would unmount and remount my partitions.
This didn't seem to make any difference.  However, I'm currently in an
area that has no cell signal and therefore doesn't get woken up by
those pesky cell broadcast messages.  So, my Neo is waking up from
pressing the power button only now.  When it does that, combined with
the unmount/remount hack, the partition table is not affected.

-Steven

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I did try this.  It doesn't help.
> I added little scripts to /etc/apm/suspend.d and /etc/apm/resume.d.
> Unless there's someplace else those should be.
>
> I did find that slowing the SD clock (per ticket #1743 about the
> Intenso SD card issue) had a positive effect.  Kinda.  See
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802
>
> -Steven
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:00 AM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see
>>> if it helps.
>>
>>
>> not sure if it will help -- but why not unmount the sd card on suspend and
>> remount on resume?
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Stroller]

Great! Thanks for the info. This seems to give applications devs lots  
of potential.

Any chance of you adding "shakes" to the gestures? This would be  
ideal for the "ball bearings in a tin can" style of unread email  
message-count.

I was about to say "any chance of you adding shaking to the  
gestures?" but after I waving my hand around like an idiot it seems  
to me that one's  natural movement is not to shake with the  
randomness I initially assumed. Instead, if I wanted to hear quantity  
of messages in my inbox, I would instinctively shake quickly right- 
and-returning-leftwards two to four times.

This adds the opportunity to shake forward and back a couple of times  
for number of SMS messages or for battery fullness (I like the  
Glasgow Uni's idea of using a splashing sound for that).

(Just read your subsequent posts - I'm glad to read that gestures can  
easily be taught to the device. But you also ask for suggested  
gestures, so I think these above would be useful. I envision them to  
be made quite rapidly.)

Stroller.


On 11 Aug 2008, at 17:46, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:

> The fact that is currently undocumented is all my fault. Sorry for  
> that - I'll catch up this weekend. Till then, I have to work on the  
> release.
>
> Yes, there are 2 daemons, one that processes the gestures and sends  
> signals on dbus, and a listener daemon that listens for gestures  
> and runs the actions for each gesture.
>
>> I'm slightly disappointed that the "shaking inbox" wouldn't be  
>> accommodated by the gestures you've made available.
>> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html
>>
>> ...
>> A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to  
>> integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which  
>> is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps?  
>> Will it be easy to add new gestures?
>

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Many happy returns

[Mark Shewmaker]

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 10:56:22PM +1000, Dale Maggee wrote:
> 
> enter requires the 'hold for 2 seconds' rigmarole

Thank you!

In demoing 2008.8, I had thought there was no way to actually enter
commands anymore, and so I have been been explaining that the terminal
program had temporarily become unusable.

Thanks for mentioning how the return key can actually be used!

(I knew about the hidden slide-up and slide-down UI features, and I had
learned about the slight-right and slide-left features today, but this
way of hitting enter is not something that I would ever have figured out
on my own.)

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Jeff Davis]

BestSkinsEver is the same type of material as InvisibleShield, only much
cheaper.  Dunno if they have anything suitable for the OM though.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Thomas Bertani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> 2008/8/11 Geoff Ruscoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got confirmation @ Jul 24
>>> "Your item has been shipped" message @ Jul 28
>>> And received it today (11 Aug).
>>>
>>> That's in Europe.
>>> Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I got mine too.  About the same time frame (here in the U.S.)
>>
>>
>>
>> how it is? usefull? some photos of the pack you received?
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Re: What's up with Openmoko store?

[Baruch Even]

* Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080811 17:38]:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Baruch Even <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080811 04:39]:
> >> Yes,
> >>
> >> Our distributors are doing great business so we will continue to give
> >> them first access to new product.
> >> If you are in the US you can buy from Koolu, same price, same product,
> >> our partner.
> >
> > They don't seem to be selling the extras and having two shipments seems
> > like a waste.
> >
> 
> I got the extras (ordered from http://bearstech.com/shop, (the first batch) )
> I think pullster.de also sells extra's

I actually need it in the US. Neither koolu nor gp2x carry the extras
(debug board and spares pack).

Cheers,
Baruch

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Ross Woodruff]

I dont mean short gestures, those gestures were fine length wise, just 
your arm movements were big if that makes sense, for example the cirlce 
you made a really big circle, but is it not possible to make a much 
smaller circle and for the left and right ones, do you have to move it 
that far to the right or would just flicking it to the side work?

Hope that makes sense

Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> Those were some gestures that I thought were useful to use - due to 
> lack of imagination for short gestures.
> If anyone can think to some short gestures, please tell me how these 
> short gestures should look like, and I'll create them.
> We're not constraint to use those gestures, not at all.
>
> Paul
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ross Woodruff 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> Dont have my freerunner yet but that really is a great bit of
> work, keep
> it up, can see this being really useful, only criticism some of the
> gestures seems to be a little, well, over the top, I mean, if I was on
> the bus and I started doing the Z shape for example people would think
> what I was upto, do the gestures have to the this exagerated or
> was that
> just for the demo so people could clearly see what you were doing?
>
> Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> > showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based
> gestures
> > project:
> >
> 
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> >
> > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the
> GUI, but
> > I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> > you've just seen in the YouTube video.
> >
> > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> > have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> > contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my
> > primary development target.
> >
> > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Paul
> > --
> > http://www.borza.ro
> >
> 
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Daniel Benoy]

On Monday 11 August 2008 12:44:10 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> Your probably using an older version, since what you just saw in the video
> is not released yet :)
> I will release a package this week.
> try hexdump /dev/input/event2
> and hexdump /dev/input/event3
> 
> and restart your Neo :)

Yes I am.

hexdump /dev/input/event2 and hexdump /dev/input/event3 output nothing.  Even 
if I pick up my neo and wiggle it (Not sure if that's necessary.. but I thought 
I'd try it.. :/  Since it's just giving me nothing)

No debug output in dmesg (When I try reading, or that I can find in the bootup 
output)

I just tried upgrading my kernel 
(http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080810/uImage-2.6.24+git32+2438a8c74c495c95f5b78301a44ed8e8d0b267d5-r2-om-gta02.bin),
 rebooting, etc.  Same problem.

Perhaps my accelerometers are broken?  I imagine it's either that or the 
kernel.  I opened a ticket on bugzilla.

> Paul
> 
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hm.  Didn't work when I tried your gesd-neo.sh script.  No output.
> >
> > So, I tried the accelerometer test script here
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval  Still no
> > output.
> >
> > Is there something I have to do to turn the accelerometers on?
> >
> > On Monday 11 August 2008 03:35:39 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> > showing
> > > what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project:
> > >
> > http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> > >
> > > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I
> > > will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've
> > just
> > > seen in the YouTube video.
> > >
> > > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have
> > > encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary,
> > I
> > > will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary
> > development
> > > target.
> > >
> > > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://daniel.benoy.name
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Thomas Bertani]

2008/8/11 Geoff Ruscoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I've got confirmation @ Jul 24
>> "Your item has been shipped" message @ Jul 28
>> And received it today (11 Aug).
>>
>> That's in Europe.
>> Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I got mine too.  About the same time frame (here in the U.S.)
>
>
>
> how it is? usefull? some photos of the pack you received?
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Re: Any information about illume and edj files available?

[Rorschach]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:26:05 +0200
Lars Formella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Am Dienstag, den 12.08.2008, 00:46 +0800 schrieb Julian Chu:
> > Hi Rorschach,
> > 
> >You could try to use edje_decc to decompile edj file.
> 
> rorschach, take a look at my site, decompile the files and play around
> with it :)
> 
> http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/
> 
> in my "eye candy" illume file, i disabled the bar at the bottom. you can
> diff it with some prog of your choise.


Thx for these information! I also linked your site at 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje so other can also learn about. I hope you ok 
with this.



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Re: Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution

[Clemens Kirchgatterer]

Olivier Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for your indications, but my goal is not to install a *new*
> system on the SD, but to *transfer* the current one to the SD.
> 
> I guess it may be done from the FR itself... but I'm afraid it's
> difficult to move things from the very live system you're running.

"cp -a /bin /dev /sbin ... /media/sdcard" usually works for me on the
desktop. remember to leave out /proc /sys a.s.o. though.

hope this helps ...
clemens

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Re: No pin dialog/ qpe

[Lorn Potter]

Norbert Hartl wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:01 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>> What is qpe exactly doing? I noticed a lot of problems
>>> other people reporting like the no pin dialog. Looking 
>>> at the device qpe uses 100% CPU for a long time. I don't
>>> understand it but the CPU usage of qpe is capable to slow
>>> down other things extremely. The SIM Pin dialog is working
>>> with the new firmware but delayed through qpe.
>>>
>>> Holger Freyther gave me the hint that it is looking for 
>>> media on the SD card. In 
>>>
>>> /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf
>> That is one possible thing it is doing at startup. The idea is that it 
>> is a phone, and you only startup in rare instances.
>>
> If we take a stable phone than you are right. 

If you develop a phone for only developers, then thats what you get. A 
phone that only a small niche of developers are going to want to use.

> But at the moment
> people need to start often and that leads to a situation where
> these settings confuse a lot of people. 

Then take the SD card entry out of the conf file.

> It is even there if
> you start your phone the first time. To raise user experience
> this search should be delayed and it should be assured that this
> search is happening on a very low priority so it does not block
> anything. There could be even an indicator that is visually
> announcing the search. But let us be realistic :)
>>> there is a section where qpe is configured for the media
>>> it should search. For the SD card every media type is 
>>> activated. So the qpe searches the SD card after booting
>>> blocking a lot of other things. There are two issues for
>>> me:
>>>
>>> - it is discussable if these settings are useful as default
>>>   to search for media on the SD card. While being troublesome
>>>   I would be against it
>> If Qtopia is not allowed to search the SD card, it will not be able to 
>> see/use files on it, so then why have it at all?
>>
> Because there is always something in between black and white. There
> could be some intelligent way to detect when it is necessary to
> refresh. And users are quite used to know that software is stupid
> and they praise the existence of a manual trigger for such actions.

The trigger is someone booting up, or inserting the SD card.




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Re: Any information about illume and edj files available?

[Lars Formella]

Am Dienstag, den 12.08.2008, 00:46 +0800 schrieb Julian Chu:
> Hi Rorschach,
> 
>You could try to use edje_decc to decompile edj file.

rorschach, take a look at my site, decompile the files and play around
with it :)

http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/

in my "eye candy" illume file, i disabled the bar at the bottom. you can
diff it with some prog of your choise.


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Re: Any information about illume and edj files available?

[Rorschach]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:03:22 +0800
Tick Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Rorschach, 
>   It's a category of desktop file. "Bar"

Ahh okay many thanks for the information, I thought this would be done by edj 
and enlighment! Didn't knew the desktop-files are used for such things. I just 
know about packaging debs that the categorie influences under which category in 
the gnome/kde-menu they have to appear.


But also thanks for pointing me to edje_decc. I gathered a few infos about edj 
and started a wiki-page about it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje


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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Geoff Ruscoe]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've got confirmation @ Jul 24
> "Your item has been shipped" message @ Jul 28
> And received it today (11 Aug).
>
> That's in Europe.
> Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it.
>
>
>

I got mine too.  About the same time frame (here in the U.S.)
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Re: dfu_util and preflash-Backup

[Christian Weßel]

I had a look at the ticket and I searched for a button to add
information to it, sadly not found.
I hope, that someone of the dfu_util developer will read here too.

Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 09:28 -0700 schrieb Mike Montour:
> Christian Weßel wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > I tried to save my rootfs by wiki's way (./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U
> > good-rootfs.jffs2) and failed after a lot of minutes and 246MB with
> > 
> > dfu_upload error -108
> 
> Sorry, I don't know what that error means. However anyone wanting to use 
> "dfu-util -U" should look at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 - 
> dfu-util upload seems to cause data corruption. I tested on a GTA01Bv4, 
> so it would be useful if someone could repeat my test on a production 
> Freerunner and then add a note to the bug.
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Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!

[Steven **]

I did try this.  It doesn't help.
I added little scripts to /etc/apm/suspend.d and /etc/apm/resume.d.
Unless there's someplace else those should be.

I did find that slowing the SD clock (per ticket #1743 about the
Intenso SD card issue) had a positive effect.  Kinda.  See
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802

-Steven

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>> It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see
>> if it helps.
>
>
> not sure if it will help -- but why not unmount the sd card on suspend and
> remount on resume?
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Ilja O.]

I've got confirmation @ Jul 24
"Your item has been shipped" message @ Jul 28
And received it today (11 Aug).

That's in Europe.
Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it.
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Re: python on FR, need a little help

[Christian Weßel]

Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 17:58 +0200 schrieb Rorschach:
> What happenbs if you start wicd from the console?
> 
> python wicd/daemon.py
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# python /opt/wicd/daemon.py/opt/wicd
wicd daemon: pid 1894
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# lono wireless extensions.

usb0  no wireless extensions.

lono wireless extensions.

usb0  no wireless extensions.

ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device
None  Interface doesn't support scanning.

sh: ethtool: not found

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# ps -ef|grep daemon
...
root  1894 1  4 16:35 ?00:00:02
python /opt/wicd/daemon.py
...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# 

> python wicd/gui.py

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# python /opt/wicd/gui.py   
/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning:
could not open display
  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)
attempting to connect daemon...
success
starting gui.py...

(gui.py:1911): libglade-WARNING **: Error loading image: Failed to open
file 'data/wicd.png': No such file or directory

(gui.py:1911): libglade-WARNING **: could not convert string to type
`GdkPixbuf' for property `icon'
Segmentation fault
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# 


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# python /opt/wicd/gui.py
attempting to connect daemon...
success
starting gui.py...
refreshing...
Number of wireless networks detected: 0
refreshing...
Number of wireless networks detected: 0

The daemon seems to be running.
A gui is opened with a three items on top (Network, Disconnect, Refresh)
and the message 'No wireless networks found.' in the middle of the
screen.
At the same time at my ssh console I receive 'ifconfig: none: error
fetching interface information: Device not found' each half second.
Before that I saw 'sh: ethtool: not found'.
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Re: Any information about illume and edj files available?

[Tick Chen]

Hi Rorschach, 
  It's a category of desktop file. "Bar"
Please change the desktop file of assassin like this. 

--- /usr/share/applications/assassin.desktopThu Jan  1 01:00:00 1970
+++ /usr/share/applications/assassin.desktop.newMon Aug 11 09:24:56
2008
@@ -9,4 +9,4 @@
 Icon=assassin
 Terminal=false
 Type=Application
-Categories=PackageManager;System;Settings;Bar;
+Categories=PackageManager;Settings; 

--
You can use the same trick to put/remove the most important applications into
the BAR. 

Cheers, 
Tick

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 06:04:59PM +0200, Rorschach wrote:
> Hi,
> are there any informations about illume and how to create/modify edj files? I 
> want to make assassin a normal application with a normal starter and without 
> this starter always on the bottom but those useless +++ sign and this things. 
> But it seems there are absolutly no information about illume available?
> 
> Can someone point me to or give me some information about illume?



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Re: Feed updates

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On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:15:20PM +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote:
> Since the release of Om2008.8 there were IMHO no further updates
> over the feeds. Is this caused by the hard-earned rest of the
> exhausted developers or has development switched to a dev branch/feed?
> 
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Hi Norbert,

   We will keep update the feeds to bring the bug fix :-)

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Daniel,

As you know, I had problems with gestures.projects.openmoko.org and moved to
http://accelges.googlecode.com

Should I erase the project from gestures.projects.openmoko.org, or should I
move back to *.projects and erase the one from googlecode.

The bitbake is here
http://code.google.com/p/accelges/source/browse/accelges_svn.bb

Thanks,
Daniel

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Daniel Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hey,
>
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:35:39 +0200
> "Paul-Valentin Borza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> > showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based
> > gestures project:
> >
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
>
> Very cool. :-)
>
> > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI,
> > but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> > you've just seen in the YouTube video.
>
> I'm looking forward to your release. In the mean time I'll add the
> package to OE. Is your .bb file in the repository up to date?
>
> > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> > have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> > contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my
> > primary development target.
>
> That's great to hear!
>
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Re: Any information about illume and edj files available?

[Julian Chu]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 06:04:59PM +0200, Rorschach wrote:
> Hi,
> are there any informations about illume and how to create/modify edj files? I 
> want to make assassin a normal application with a normal starter and without 
> this starter always on the bottom but those useless +++ sign and this things. 
> But it seems there are absolutly no information about illume available?
> 
> Can someone point me to or give me some information about illume?


Hi Rorschach,

   You could try to use edje_decc to decompile edj file.

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

The listener daemon doesn't start up automatically, only the one that
recognizes gestures.
For on, it just sends the recognized gesture, regardless of the context the
phone is.

Paul

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:12, Daniel Benoy wrote:
> >> ...
> >> I'm slightly disappointed that the "shaking inbox" wouldn't be
> >> accommodated by the gestures you've made available.
> >> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html
> >>
> >> This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your
> >> site:
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures
> >>
> >> A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate
> >> on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended
> >> to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy
> >> to add new gestures?
> >>
> >> Stroller.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > If I'm not mistaken, gestures can be interpreted at the same time
> > that other software (Such as the type you're describing)
> > simultaneously listens to accelerometer data.
>
> Doesn't that bring the risk that you're gesturing to do something in
> one app, and another app is fired up by the gesture daemon (or
> whatever) because it doesn't know that the gesture wasn't intended
> for it?
>
> Hope this makes sense. ;?
>
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

The fact that is currently undocumented is all my fault. Sorry for that -
I'll catch up this weekend. Till then, I have to work on the release.

Yes, there are 2 daemons, one that processes the gestures and sends signals
on dbus, and a listener daemon that listens for gestures and runs the
actions for each gesture.

Paul

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> On 11 Aug 2008, at 08:35, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
>
> ...
> There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I
> will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just
> seen in the YouTube video.
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm slightly disappointed that the "shaking inbox" wouldn't
> be accommodated by the gestures you've made available.
> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html
>
> This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures
>
> A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on
> the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended
> to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add
> new gestures?
>
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Your probably using an older version, since what you just saw in the video
is not released yet :)
I will release a package this week.
try hexdump /dev/input/event2
and hexdump /dev/input/event3

and restart your Neo :)

Paul

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hm.  Didn't work when I tried your gesd-neo.sh script.  No output.
>
> So, I tried the accelerometer test script here
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval  Still no
> output.
>
> Is there something I have to do to turn the accelerometers on?
>
> On Monday 11 August 2008 03:35:39 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> showing
> > what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project:
> >
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> >
> > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I
> > will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've
> just
> > seen in the YouTube video.
> >
> > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have
> > encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary,
> I
> > will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary
> development
> > target.
> >
> > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Paul
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Yes, you'll be able to record, and train your own gestures; by running the
Gestures app with the GUI. Of course, you get more flexibility in command
line, that's how I do it, but you'll be able to do the same things in GUI
mode.

Gestures already use DBUS, system bus on org.openmoko.accelges (as in
accelerometer gestures), and they generate signals: Recognized signal

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bravo Paul, I'm looking forward to this project maturing.
> Will your next release be able to record new gestures or only detect the
> ones in the demo?
> Am I right in thinking this will use dbus and detected gestures will
> generate events for other apps for use.
>
> Regards
>
> Matt
>
>
> Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> > showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures
> > project:
> >
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> >
> > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but
> > I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> > you've just seen in the YouTube video.
> >
> > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> > have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> > contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my
> > primary development target.
> >
> > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Paul
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Any information about illume and edj files available?

[Rorschach]

Hi,
are there any informations about illume and how to create/modify edj files? I 
want to make assassin a normal application with a normal starter and without 
this starter always on the bottom but those useless +++ sign and this things. 
But it seems there are absolutly no information about illume available?

Can someone point me to or give me some information about illume?


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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Please wait till Thursday/Friday when I'll release the package with what you
saw in the video :)
The alpha release that is now for download is obsolete, as it's one month
old.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Looks great! I've basically got the same questions as Norbert does.
> Plus I'd like to know how I can get me screen to auto-rotate ;-)
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> 2008/8/11 Norbert Hartl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Wow, that is great!!!
> >
> > How fine grained is the resolution of the movements? I mean
> > how detailed you could draw a shape on the screen from the
> > figure you painted in the air?
> > Or even better. Do you think it would be possible to do something
> > like palms grafiti without knocking your neighbor out? :)
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> > On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 09:35 +0200, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> >> showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures
> >> project:
> >>
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> >>
> >> There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but
> >> I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> >> you've just seen in the YouTube video.
> >>
> >> Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> >> have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> >> This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> >> contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my
> >> primary development target.
> >>
> >> More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Paul
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Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

[C R McClenaghan]

There have now been several posts related to the successful use of  
GPRS on one or more of the software platforms - OM 200*.* and FSO -  
but not much discussion of how to multiplex voice and data calls. The  
FSO platform through it's mdbus/dbus interface seems to accomplish  
this. [1] below describes how to do so with a prior release of ASU. Is  
the multiplexer referenced in [1] - gsm0710muxd - now part of OM  
2008.8 and should the direct use of /dev/ttySAC0 be avoided? Is the  
multiplexer referenced in [1] and apparently running on FSO the means  
by which data and voice are multiplexed in FSO? In FSO, if gsm0710muxd  
is the running daemon, what is the role of gsmd? Is gsmd active during  
voice calls only? Finally, with FSO and the mdbus/dbus interface , how  
can I set other connection parameters - for example, speed, timeouts,  
reconnect?

Thoughts? Suggestions?

Oh, yea - how can either a dund or pand connection event trigger gprs  
for laptop tethering?

Chris

[1] 
http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=dda5c6cbf5850182c786488123f056ce


On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote:

> I gave it a try, too! I have a t-mobile flat rate which I use
> from my laptop. I just copied the file to the freerunner altered
> /etc/group as you supposed.
>
> My files look like this:
>
> /etc/ppp/peers/t-mobile
> ---
> user "tm"
> connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/connect-t-mobile"
> /dev/ttySAC0
> persist
> modem
> noipdefault
> usepeerdns
> defaultroute
> ipcp-accept-local
> ipcp-accept-remote
> lock
> crtscts
>
> /etc/ppp/connect-t-mobile
> -
>
> ABORT 'BUSY'
> ABORT 'NO CARRIER'
> ABORT 'ERROR'
> '' AT
> OK AT+CGATT=1
> OK AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet.t-mobile"
> OK  ATDT*99***1#
>
> /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
> 
> # Secrets for authentication using PAP
> # client  server  secret  IP addresses
> * *   ""  *
> "tm"  *   "tm"*
>
> That's all. I connected it yesterday and it worked. I used tangogps
> along with it and it downloaded the tiles automatically without having
> a usb cable connected. This is great! Gprs indeed feels slow and
> sluggish.
>
> The user tm in my files is arbitrarily chosen. It is said it's just
> better to connect with supplying a user and password.
>
> Norbert
>
>
> 08-09 at 14:51 -0700, Nathan Kinkade wrote:
>> I just wanted to share with the community that I have somewhat got
>> GPRS working T-Mobile on a Freerunner (GTA02) with the August 8
>> release of Om2008.8.  I'm going to paste a bunch of stuff in here, so
>> sorry if this email is pretty confused and long.  I need to say up
>> front that I don't have any data plan with T-Mobile.  I just went  
>> to a
>> T-Mobile store yesterday and bought a SIM chip (US$10) and a pre-paid
>> plan.  The guy behind the counter asked me what the phone was that I
>> had.  I explained a little, and then he mentioned something about me
>> being able to get free data service, that T-Mobile didn't advertise
>> it, and that it wasn't worth their time to track down who was using  
>> it
>> ... I don't know.  He just wrote on my receipt "wap.voicestream.com".
>>
>> I should also note that I didn't have to modify
>> /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on, or chown
>> /dev/ttySAC0, or even do "stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts".  However, in
>> relation to chowning /dev/ttySAC0, I *did* modify /etc/group and add
>> the users "uucp" and "ppp" to the group "dialout", which by default
>> has write permissions on /dev/ttySAC0.
>>
>> It seems to connect, bring up the ppp0 interface, and get and
>> configure a number of TCP/IP settings.  Only DNS name resolution  
>> seems
>> to work, but this is probably just because I don't have a data plan,
>> or haven't figured out what ports are open to the outside world or
>> what proxy may need to be used.  Any input, or suggestions would be
>> great.
>>
>> What I've done required very little modification from this wiki
>> article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS.  The only files I edited
>> or created were the ones you see below.  Get ready for a cut-n-paste
>> fest:
>>
>> -
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/peers/tmobile
>> lock
>> /dev/ttySAC0 115200
>> crtscts
>> connect /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect
>> disconnect /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect
>> hide-password
>> usepeerdns
>> ipcp-accept-local
>> noauth
>> noipdefault
>> novj
>> novjccomp
>> defaultroute
>> replacedefaultroute
>> # Reopen the connection if it fails, pausing for a while.
>> persist
>> holdoff 15
>> # Check the line every 20 seconds and presume
>> # the peer is gone if no reply for 4 times.
>> lcp-echo-interval 20
>> lcp-echo-failure 4
>>
>> -
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect
>> #!/bin/sh -e

Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Begin on AUX button can be implemented easily. The problem is that the
framework on the Neo is really not there yet, because I would have liked it
to associate some gestures with actual actions on the Neo. But I'll be
working with John Lee, and Daniel to do that in the future.
Also, the release that does that is not ready yet, I still have to add
something to the training GUI; but the framework is there.
As said before, I'll make the release on Thursday/Friday.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Martin Šenkeřík
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I suggest more discreet gestures, like was the shaking one. I
> understand it is harder to recognize them and not to recognize them by
> accident in normal use. But what about starting recognizing only with
> pressed AUX button? You can replace actual function of "locking
> screen" by much more where one of them will be "locking screen".
>
> That were some my thoughts about usability, indeed your work is realy
> great! Keep on going ;-)
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ross Woodruff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Dont have my freerunner yet but that really is a great bit of work, keep
> > it up, can see this being really useful, only criticism some of the
> > gestures seems to be a little, well, over the top, I mean, if I was on
> > the bus and I started doing the Z shape for example people would think
> > what I was upto, do the gestures have to the this exagerated or was that
> > just for the demo so people could clearly see what you were doing?
> >
> > Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> >> showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures
> >> project:
> >>
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> >>
> >> There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but
> >> I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> >> you've just seen in the YouTube video.
> >>
> >> Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> >> have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> >> This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> >> contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my
> >> primary development target.
> >>
> >> More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Paul
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Those were some gestures that I thought were useful to use - due to lack of
imagination for short gestures.
If anyone can think to some short gestures, please tell me how these short
gestures should look like, and I'll create them.
We're not constraint to use those gestures, not at all.

Paul

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ross Woodruff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Dont have my freerunner yet but that really is a great bit of work, keep
> it up, can see this being really useful, only criticism some of the
> gestures seems to be a little, well, over the top, I mean, if I was on
> the bus and I started doing the Z shape for example people would think
> what I was upto, do the gestures have to the this exagerated or was that
> just for the demo so people could clearly see what you were doing?
>
> Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> > showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures
> > project:
> >
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> >
> > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but
> > I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> > you've just seen in the YouTube video.
> >
> > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> > have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> > contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my
> > primary development target.
> >
> > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Paul
> > --
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Gestures don't work like this, I don't know the shape of the gesture.
For each gesture, I have a model that I previously created. Each model
competes to be recognized, and every time you make a move, the model with
the highest probability is chosen. You can know the shape of the gesture
only if you had created a model by moving the Neo in the shape of a circle,
and named it circle :)

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Norbert Hartl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow, that is great!!!
>
> How fine grained is the resolution of the movements? I mean
> how detailed you could draw a shape on the screen from the
> figure you painted in the air?
> Or even better. Do you think it would be possible to do something
> like palms grafiti without knocking your neighbor out? :)
>
> Norbert
>
> On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 09:35 +0200, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> > showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures
> > project:
> >
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> >
> > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but
> > I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> > you've just seen in the YouTube video.
> >
> > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> > have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> > contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my
> > primary development target.
> >
> > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Paul
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Re: dfu_util and preflash-Backup

[Mike Montour]

Christian Weßel wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I tried to save my rootfs by wiki's way (./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U
> good-rootfs.jffs2) and failed after a lot of minutes and 246MB with
> 
> dfu_upload error -108

Sorry, I don't know what that error means. However anyone wanting to use 
"dfu-util -U" should look at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 - 
dfu-util upload seems to cause data corruption. I tested on a GTA01Bv4, 
so it would be useful if someone could repeat my test on a production 
Freerunner and then add a note to the bug.


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Re: python on FR, need a little help

[Rorschach]

What happenbs if you start wicd from the console?

python wicd/daemon.py
python wicd/gui.py




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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Daniel Benoy]

Ticket created.

https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1808

On Monday 11 August 2008 10:50:11 Daniel Benoy wrote:
> Hm.  Didn't work when I tried your gesd-neo.sh script.  No output.
> 
> So, I tried the accelerometer test script here 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval  Still no output.
> 
> Is there something I have to do to turn the accelerometers on?
> 
> On Monday 11 August 2008 03:35:39 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing
> > what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project:
> > http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> > 
> > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I
> > will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just
> > seen in the YouTube video.
> > 
> > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have
> > encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I
> > will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development
> > target.
> > 
> > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Paul
> 
> 
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dfu_util and preflash-Backup

[Christian Weßel]

Hello

I tried to save my rootfs by wiki's way (./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U
good-rootfs.jffs2) and failed after a lot of minutes and 246MB with

dfu_upload error -108

My host reported:

usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-:00:0f.2-1, CDC Ethernet Device,
ba:f3:e6:14:4a:e3

What's wrong?
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Daniel Willmann]

Hey,

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:35:39 +0200
"Paul-Valentin Borza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based
> gestures project:
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2

Very cool. :-)

> There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI,
> but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> you've just seen in the YouTube video.

I'm looking forward to your release. In the mean time I'll add the
package to OE. Is your .bb file in the repository up to date?

> Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my
> primary development target.

That's great to hear!

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Daniel Benoy]

Sure does :)

It will be important to maintain the ability to turn off default gesture 
handling, if the user wants to install some other handler.

Although, the 'shaking inbox' thing described by the earlier poster would 
probably not conflict with gestures.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about multiple apps accessing the linux 'event' 
interface at once.

On Monday 11 August 2008 11:25:01 Stroller wrote:
> 
> On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:12, Daniel Benoy wrote:
> >> ...
> >> I'm slightly disappointed that the "shaking inbox" wouldn't be
> >> accommodated by the gestures you've made available.
> >> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html
> >>
> >> This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your  
> >> site:
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures
> >>
> >> A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate
> >> on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended
> >> to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy
> >> to add new gestures?
> >>
> >> Stroller.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > If I'm not mistaken, gestures can be interpreted at the same time  
> > that other software (Such as the type you're describing)  
> > simultaneously listens to accelerometer data.
> 
> Doesn't that bring the risk that you're gesturing to do something in  
> one app, and another app is fired up by the gesture daemon (or  
> whatever) because it doesn't know that the gesture wasn't intended  
> for it?
> 
> Hope this makes sense. ;?
> 
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python on FR, need a little help

[Christian Weßel]

Hello,

for my notebook I found a very good NetworkManager spare called wicd
(http://wicd.sourceforge.net/), it is a python based application to
handle WLAN.

I am a absolute python newbie. But this little appl. is pretty nice and
I want to bring it up and running on FR.

First I installed python manually following packages in this order:
libpython
python-core
python-lang
python-threading
libdbus
python-dbus
python-math
libcrypto
libssl
python-io
python-re
python-stringold
python-logging
bzip2
python-misc
python-pycairo
python-pygobject
python-shell
python-pygtk
python-fcntl
python-codecs
python-pickle
python-subprocesses
python-threading
python-xml

Allways the latest version from scaredyCat
(http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/).

I am able to enter 'python' in terminal and I get a valid answer.

Then I copied all files from wicd to there locations, replaced two PNG
files by the original one from pixmaps. After a reboot I see the appl.
at the list of appl..

But I could not start the appl. :-(. The dmesg shows me just an old
entry, so I don't know why the appl. ist not starting.

Where can I find some hints about the reasons/issues/problems etc.?

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Dale Maggee]

Cool!

Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing
> what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project:
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
>
> There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I
> will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just
> seen in the YouTube video.
>
> Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have
> encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I
> will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development
> target.
>
> More on http://gestures.borza.ro
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Joachim Steiger]

Andy Green wrote:
[...]
> Hey don't lose hope.  There are two issues.  First is just some big
> cards are too slow to respond at default 16MHz clock with Glamo 16-bit
> clock count timeout counter.  See this
> 
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743
> 
> Suspend / resume (partition overwrite is only a suspend / resume issue)
> has been fundamentally broken on GTA02 since before I got here last
> December, it didn't work at all until a series of deathmatches with it.
> ~ The biggest deathmatch of all to clean and fix it is going on at the
> minute on 2.6.26 branch here and it exposed the biggest underlying
> problem for us which is Glamo behaviours.  Assuming I kill it before it
> kills me, we will have a far less racy and more complete suspend and
> resume ordering situation then.

yay!


> Other projects using Linux also have that problem of partition overwrite
> on resume, but I suspect resume ordering and racing is behind their
> problems too.  When we clear that in the 2.6.26 branch we stand a chance
> to synthesize random or moving delays in resume action and try to flush
> out where it comes from.

i played with it a bit and came to the conclusion that it eats exactly
1024byte from the beginning of the 'physical' blockdevice. atleast when
i backup these to nand, write them back via dd after loosing it and do a
ioctl via fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -> press w to trigger the block layer
rereading the device i am fine.

sounds weird.. is a buffer getting nulled on suspend, and gets written
back to disk even if it shouldnt?


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Re: GPRS / Wifi

[Stroller]

On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:11, Mike Baroukh wrote:

>> What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check
>> for new messages if you're on your provider's own network ...
>> I described how the Nokia N95 handles this in my post of 10 August
>> 2008 13:30:19 BST (search for "N95" in the subject) but perhaps not
>> very clearly, as I hoped for more replies.
>
> Well, I found your post.
> Effectively, it was pretty ... long ...

On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:06, arne anka wrote:
>> ... Apparently I wasted too
>> many paragraphs bitching about the Orange build of the Nokia
>
> rather. i gave up after about 50% because everything was about what  
> you
> didn't like about that n95 ..

Thanks for your honest comments, guys. I'll really have to work on this.

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Re: cpu-speed limitations

[Joachim Steiger]

Rod Whitby wrote:
> Hmm - there's a current issue regarding the GTA01 GPS gllin driver and 
> kernel /sys filesystem paths, so the response of Openmoko to that 
> "previous generation" issue is probably a good indicator of the sort of 
> attention that GTA02 Glamo will get once GTA03 is released.

we don't have all the sources to gllin.
also patching the binary is forbidden by the eula we got the binary
under. to be fair, we were happy to have a redistribution-allowance at
all after all that hassle there.

and guess what we learned... binary code which you can't compile
yourself fresh when you need it is unusable, undebuggable,
unmaintainable and thus a real pain in the ass and something which does
for sure not help solving problems, but make new ones.

the facts are that we do not have the complete source of gllin, and no
working eabi binary. thats the whole reason why we have that ugly
eabi-oabi wrapper. its not nice, but its better than nothing at all.

about symlinks.. i couldn't completely follow you... if you think its
something we could change without tampering with the binary of gllin
itself by hex-editor: please file it as a 'enhancement'-ticket.

> I'm hoping that the response is a positive one from Openmoko.

you decide. we try our best, even when we sometimes only learn something
and do not win what we wished for.

in this case this was a lesson teaching: 'keep you app cpu completely
binary-only-parts free or perish'

> Publishing the schematics will be a great first step, but there is still 
> the "previous generation" support for the proprietary NDA stuff that 
> needs to be factored into Openmoko's staffing plans (since the community 
> can't do it).

depends.. you can ask direct questions. ;) means if you want to know
something which you cannot see from exiting code and you know its there:
ask. we can still read the docs and explain out interpretation in a few
lines of chat ;)

usually in all drivers one writes he usually starts by copying the
register mapping from the datasheet and adding comments. thats often a
much better documentation than a pdf which says different things,
depending into which chapter one peeks ;)
drivers which don't crash tend to be closer to real hw than pdfs.

i think there are already enough things one could do with the available
informations.. e.g. complete some nice setup for hw-accelerated mp4
video playback on the glamo (i could imagine a nice gstreamer plugin
instead of a badly hacked up mplayer there)

see
http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/
for that.

also i remember some locking issues between kerneldriver and xglamo
which could need a helping hand.. i think dodji, andy or holger would be
the guys to ask whats the details there.
afaik thats one of the locks up sometimes reasons.

happy hacking.


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Re: 2008 WTF??

[Clemens Kirchgatterer]

Fredrik Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> / Fredrik Wendt, who also has the exact same device Scott has, as many
> others do too but doesn't scream WTF as soon his/her proclaimed
> non-finished device shows it's serious hickups

thx, you speak from my heart.

best regards ...
clemens

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Stroller]

On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:12, Daniel Benoy wrote:
>> ...
>> I'm slightly disappointed that the "shaking inbox" wouldn't be
>> accommodated by the gestures you've made available.
>> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html
>>
>> This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your  
>> site:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures
>>
>> A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate
>> on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended
>> to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy
>> to add new gestures?
>>
>> Stroller.
>>
>>
>
> If I'm not mistaken, gestures can be interpreted at the same time  
> that other software (Such as the type you're describing)  
> simultaneously listens to accelerometer data.

Doesn't that bring the risk that you're gesturing to do something in  
one app, and another app is fired up by the gesture daemon (or  
whatever) because it doesn't know that the gesture wasn't intended  
for it?

Hope this makes sense. ;?

Stroller.


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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Andrew Burgess]

Perhaps this will help until Andy gets the new kernel ready.

I had vanishing partition table problems on my OLPC XO (fixed now in
kernel 2.6.25). I found that I could avoid data loss by doing two
things:
1) create a swap partition as the first partition.
2) when the table vanishes, recreate it EXACTLY as before (IOW same
size swap partiton followed by same size (Or remainder of card)
filesystem partition.

For me, the filesystem data reappeared undamaged.

This worked I think because the bug mashes sever sectors at the
beginning of the SD card, and by letting the swap partition take the
hit your data survives.

HTH
Andrew Burgess

> ...suspend. afterwards a few directories were misisng.

see above

> fr -- but that fails with "read-only filesystem". and indedd magically the
> card is mounted read only.
> mount /media/card -o remount,rw
> changes that, but next thing i know is "read only filesystem".

ext2/3 will remount RO if there are filesystem errors, which there
probably are if you lost directories. See dmesg?

> not sure if that fits into the original problem with the fried boot sector.

probably, IME several of the first sectors are involved

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zhone on the desktop?

[Witoslaw Koczewski]

Hi,

I would like to learn FSO development by modifying zhone. Is there a way to run 
zhone on my ubuntu desktop or do I need to test on a neo device?

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Daniel Benoy]

On Monday 11 August 2008 11:00:50 Stroller wrote:
> 
> On 11 Aug 2008, at 08:35, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > ...
> > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI,  
> > but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with  
> > everything you've just seen in the YouTube video.
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I'm slightly disappointed that the "shaking inbox" wouldn't be  
> accommodated by the gestures you've made available.
> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html
> 
> This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures
> 
> A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate  
> on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended  
> to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy  
> to add new gestures?
> 
> Stroller.
> 
> 

If I'm not mistaken, gestures can be interpreted at the same time that other 
software (Such as the type you're describing) simultaneously listens to 
accelerometer data.

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Re: GPRS / Wifi

[Mike Baroukh]

>
> I described how the Nokia N95 handles this in my post of 10 August  
> 2008 13:30:19 BST (search for "N95" in the subject) but perhaps not  
> very clearly, as I hoped for more replies. Apparently I wasted too  
>   

Well, I found your post.
Effectively, it was pretty ... long ...

On each type of connection there should be options.
Your post let me think that, on the GPRS connection type, there should 
be an option named 'gsm provider'.
So, the gprs will established only if your gsm provider is "xxx" (mine 
is 'bouygtel').
If I travel, I will use a local provider for telephony, not the one I 
habitually use => this will prevent the gprs connection to establish.

Mike


Stroller a écrit :
> On 11 Aug 2008, at 10:52, arne anka wrote:
>   
>> ...  all programs
>> connecting to the net should be absolutely agnostic to the kind of
>> connection you use.
>> 
>
> What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check  
> for new messages if you're on your provider's own network, not when  
> you are on holiday in Spain. Thus when your contract's unlimited data  
> use applies you get immediate notification of new emails, yet you  
> don't get stung for $100s in roaming charges.
>
> I described how the Nokia N95 handles this in my post of 10 August  
> 2008 13:30:19 BST (search for "N95" in the subject) but perhaps not  
> very clearly, as I hoped for more replies. Apparently I wasted too  
> many paragraphs bitching about the Orange build of the Nokia  
> software. But I would LOVE to know how this can be handled on an  
> Openmoko device.
>
> Stroller.
>
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Re: GPRS / Wifi

[arne anka]

> What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check
> for new messages if you're on your provider's own network, not when
> you are on holiday in Spain.

i am afraid that's beyond the scope of the solution i outlined.
though i guess as soon as the necessary informations are available trough  
dbus or other means, such a solution will present itself.
it should fit into the rules based activity handling apparently being in  
progress.

> very clearly, as I hoped for more replies. Apparently I wasted too
> many paragraphs bitching about the Orange build of the Nokia

rather. i gave up after about 50% because everything was about what you  
didn't like about that n95 ..


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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Stroller]

On 11 Aug 2008, at 08:35, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:

...
There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI,  
but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with  
everything you've just seen in the YouTube video.


Hi there,

I'm slightly disappointed that the "shaking inbox" wouldn't be  
accommodated by the gestures you've made available.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html

This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures

A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate  
on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended  
to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy  
to add new gestures?


Stroller.

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Re: What will be in GTA03?

[Tim Schmidt]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think people will be willing to pay an extra $200 just to get a 
> camera in there.

Please do some research before making baseless comments.  Camera
modules do not cost $200.  More like $10.  Less in quantity.  See
here:

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668

Further, their useful for far more than just taking photos.  They make
great barcode readers - even for 2D barcodes like UPS uses.  GPS +
camera = geotagged photos.  Clever developers could even use one to
supplement input from accelerometers.

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Daniel Benoy]

Hm.  Didn't work when I tried your gesd-neo.sh script.  No output.

So, I tried the accelerometer test script here 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval  Still no output.

Is there something I have to do to turn the accelerometers on?

On Monday 11 August 2008 03:35:39 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing
> what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project:
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> 
> There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I
> will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just
> seen in the YouTube video.
> 
> Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have
> encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I
> will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development
> target.
> 
> More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul



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Re: GPRS / Wifi

[Stroller]

On 11 Aug 2008, at 10:52, arne anka wrote:
> ...  all programs
> connecting to the net should be absolutely agnostic to the kind of
> connection you use.

What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check  
for new messages if you're on your provider's own network, not when  
you are on holiday in Spain. Thus when your contract's unlimited data  
use applies you get immediate notification of new emails, yet you  
don't get stung for $100s in roaming charges.

I described how the Nokia N95 handles this in my post of 10 August  
2008 13:30:19 BST (search for "N95" in the subject) but perhaps not  
very clearly, as I hoped for more replies. Apparently I wasted too  
many paragraphs bitching about the Orange build of the Nokia  
software. But I would LOVE to know how this can be handled on an  
Openmoko device.

Stroller.


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Re: No pin dialog/ qpe

[arne anka]

>> > inotify
>>
>> does inotify tell you if the card was manipulated outside the fr?
>
> No, inotify is an observer at runtime.

thought so.

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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Matt]

Bravo Paul, I'm looking forward to this project maturing.
Will your next release be able to record new gestures or only detect the 
ones in the demo?
Am I right in thinking this will use dbus and detected gestures will 
generate events for other apps for use.

Regards

Matt


Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video 
> showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures 
> project:
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
>
> There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but 
> I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything 
> you've just seen in the YouTube video.
>
> Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I 
> have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the 
> contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my 
> primary development target.
>
> More on http://gestures.borza.ro
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
> -- 
> http://www.borza.ro
> 
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