Bug#498143: Please detect non-ISO block devices masquerading as Debian CDs

2009-08-24 Thread Frans Pop
tags 498143 pending
thanks

On Tuesday 25 August 2009, Chris Lamb wrote:
> To frame my thoughts here, this is to support d-i when invoked from
> Debian Live USB sticks - as Debian Live knows the target media when
> building the USB image, "try-usb=true" is appended to all generated
> "usb with d-i" images.

Hmmm. If that is really the only use case then maybe that should just be 
documented in the changelog and in comments in appropriate places.
If it is not actually useful for regular users, then it should of course 
_not_ be documented in the installation guide.

I was missing that context. Thanks for adding that.

So I've dropped the documentation patch and committed the others, with a 
few cosmetic changes.

Cheers,
FJP



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Bug #498143 [cdrom-detect] Please detect non-ISO block devices masquerading as 
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Re: Ban of Uwe Bugla from debian mailinglists

2009-08-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Alexander Wirt dijo [Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 09:14:48PM +0200]:
> Hi, 
> 
> Unfortunately I have to announce that we have banned Uwe Bugla from our
> mailinglists. In the last days he showed an attitude on our lists that is not
> acceptable in any way ([1-4] and more). We already gave him a warning,
> but this didn't helped. 
> 
> We really don't have anything against a good argument, but such attitude is
> neither wanted nor accepted on our lists (see netiquette [5] and our Code
> of Conduct [6]). 
> 
> This ban will initially last for two weeks. After that period it will be
> lifted, but if such events happen again we will reimpose it permanently.

Thanks for your hard work. I also stand behind you on this one, and
I'd also support you if the ban were to be made permanent. I am no
debian-boot frequent follower, but I do know this project does not
need non-contributors with the level of aggressivity this guy has. 

Thanks,

-- 
Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244


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linux-kernel-di-mips-2.6_1.9lenny5_multi.changes ACCEPTED

2009-08-24 Thread Archive Administrator

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Bug#543443: installation-reports: eventual success on QNAP TS-219

2009-08-24 Thread Simon McVittie
Package: installation-reports
Severity: normal

-- Package-specific info:

Boot method: network
Image version: 20090819 daily, 
http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/armel/images/20090819-23:51/kirkwood/network-console/qnap/ts-219/
Date: 2009-08-20

Machine: QNAP TS-219
Partitions:

Disks are partitioned as 1GB + the rest:

testament:~# fdisk -l /dev/sda

Disk /dev/sda: 1500.3 GB, 1500301910016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 182401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x6e29c273

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   1 122  979933+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda2 123  182401  1464156067+  fd  Linux raid autodetect

sdb has an identical layout.

sdb1 is swap, sda1 is currently unused.

sd?2 are combined into md0 with software RAID1:

testament:~# cat /proc/mdstat 
Personalities : [raid1] 
md0 : active raid1 sda2[2] sdb2[0]
  1464155968 blocks [2/1] [U_]
  [=>...]  recovery = 26.6% (390349632/1464155968) 
finish=216.6min speed=82586K/sec

md0 is the only physical volume in a LVM volume group:

testament:~# lvdisplay 
  --- Logical volume ---
  LV Name/dev/testament/root
  ...
  LV Size46.56 GB
  ...
  --- Logical volume ---
  LV Name/dev/testament/srv
  ...
  LV Size1.32 TB



Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [E]
Detect network card:[O]
Configure network:  [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [E]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Install base system:[O]
Clock/timezone setup:   [O]
User/password setup:[O]
Install tasks:  [O]
Install boot loader:[O]
Overall install:[O]

Comments/Problems:

I constructed a serial console cable according to tbm's documentation and
used it with a USB <-> 3.3V serial adaptor, which was useful to get the
thing booted, but may have caused some of the problems it helped me to solve -
the 3.3V power from my laptop's USB was apparently enough to keep the board
running even with the AC adaptor unplugged!

I flashed the daily build kernel/ramdisk by booting into the QNAP firmware
(only the minimal version in flash - I never installed anything from the
supplied CDs to the disks) and using the flash-debian script; however,
I ended up loading them over tftp instead.

Booting with the serial console appeared to stop at the stage of starting
init; I never got a shell on the serial port, and d-i never got as far as
doing DHCP, for some reason (the server's logs indicate that it never received
a request). In the absence of a shell, I couldn't debug this.

I eventually booted from tftp with:

setenv serverip 10.13.0.1
setenv ipaddr 10.13.0.35
setenv bootargs console=ttyS0,115200n8 root=/dev/ram rw 
initrd=0xa0,0x90 BOOT_DEBUG=9
tftpboot 0xa0 ts219-initrd.gz
tftpboot 0x80 ts219-kernel
bootm 0x80

(Changes compared with tbm's instructions: he used the wrong size for the
initrd, causing truncation and boot failure; also, I added BOOT_DEBUG to be
able to get an early shell.)

To work around the failure to run things from init, I exited from the first
shell offered, then ran dhclient, debian-installer-startup and debian-installer
(in that order) in the second (run just before init), and never actually
allowed init to start. With hindsight, running dhclient was probably
unnecessary.

d-i on the serial console eventually told me it was starting the SSH server,
and I switched to SSH for the rest of the installation.

At the "partition disks" stage, no disks were found or offered for
partitioning; dmesg reported that both SATA links were down.

I tried forcing a scan (echo 1 > /sys/class/scsi_host/host2/scan
and the same for host3), which caused the Samsung disk in bay 2 (host3) to
wake up and be detected as sda; the Western Digital disk in bay 1 (host2) was
still not detected. I continued the install onto the Samsung disk only,
configuring it for a degraded 2-disk RAID1 array.

As a result of the strange hacks I'd done to start d-i, exiting from the
main menu with "finish installation" didn't work. I used the "magic sysrq
key" on the serial console (Break S Break U Break O) to shut down wthout
data loss. I now realise that the detailed installation logs were probably lost 
during this process; sorry about that.

I suspected that the serial console providing partial power to the board might
be causing problems, so I disconnected it before the first boot of the
installed system. As I'd hoped, both disks were brought up correctly
in the installed system, so I duplicated the partition layout from the
installed Samsung (now sdb) onto the uninitialized Western Digital (now sda),
and added it to the RAID array.

-- 

Please make sure that the hardware-summary log file, and any other
installation logs that you think

Bug#543256: tasksel maintainer's perspective

2009-08-24 Thread Joey Hess
A problem with providing some global way of turning off recommends by
default in d-i is that tasks are now being maintained with the implicit
and explicit assumption that recommends are installed by default. So, if
recommends are turned off, tasks can be broken in both subtle and
obvious ways.

Frans touched on this in his mail, but AFAIK the set of "required
recommends" is much larger than busybox and libgl1-mesa-dri[1]. See
tasksel's changelog for 2.79 for many more, and note that more will have
a tendancy to be added over time. Also note that the (er, my) inability
to keep track of such required recommends is why recommends were turned
on in tasksel in the first place.

Also, the gnome metapackage is being maintained with similar implicit
and explicit assumptions about recommends. And reversing that may not be
to the taste of the maintainers or users of the package. For example, I'm
about to file a bug requesting that network-manager-gnome be demoted to
a recommends. Knowing that recommends will be installed by default gives
the maintainer the ability to support such tweaks while still being sure
that users who install the package will get a usable and standard gnome
system. If the maintainer has to worry about users who choose to disable all
recommends, he will be forced to keep network-manager a depends. Thus,
supporting users who want to disable all recommends tends to reduce
the total configurability of Debian.

IMHO the best we can do is to implement the option, but document it as
likely to install a broken system unless the user manually knows just
what missing bits to install. Or not implement the option, which seems
equivilant from here.

(BTW, did you notice the annoying samba questions when installing the
desktop task? It was an unncessary recommends in cups, which was quite
quickly fixed once brought to the package maintainer's attention.)

-- 
see shy jo

[1] Which is still listed explicitly in the desktop task, actually.


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Bug#543268: patch

2009-08-24 Thread Joey Hess
I have a patch for this (attached) but as I was writing it I became
unconvinced that this isn't just bloat. After all, the user can be added
to groups via preseed/late_command. And most cases that involve the user
to groups seem likely to already use preseed/late_command, either to
install additional packages, or otherwise configure something that adds
groups.

Still, passwd/user-extra-groups is not bloat since it makes sense to be
able to control what the installer does (rather than having to go in and
undo it if you don't want the user in groups). And
passwd/user-extra-groups does have a symmetric appeal to it, and the
bloat is quite small.

-- 
see shy jo
Index: scripts/togit/d-i.conf
===
--- scripts/togit/d-i.conf  (revision 60140)
+++ scripts/togit/d-i.conf  (working copy)
@@ -1614,6 +1614,7 @@
 # cannot handle that, so I have to skip this initial revision. All
 # that gets lost is the first commit message and a s/_/-/, so a branch
 # does not seem to be called for.
+# TODO figure out a better way
 match /trunk/retriever/choose_mirror/
 end match
 
Index: manual/en/appendix/preseed.xml
===
--- manual/en/appendix/preseed.xml  (revision 60066)
+++ manual/en/appendix/preseed.xml  (working copy)
@@ -1198,6 +1198,9 @@
 # The user account will be added to some standard initial groups. To
 # override that, use this.
 #d-i passwd/user-default-groups string audio cdrom video
+# To add the user to additional groups, while keeping them in the
+# default groups, use this.
+#d-i passwd/user-extra-groups string fuse
 
 
 
Index: packages/user-setup/user-setup-apply
===
--- packages/user-setup/user-setup-apply(revision 60407)
+++ packages/user-setup/user-setup-apply(working copy)
@@ -141,9 +141,11 @@
fi
 
if [ -n "$USER" ]; then
-   db_get passwd/user-default-groups
-   for group in $RET; do
-   $log $chroot $ROOT adduser "$USER" $group >/dev/null 
2>&1 || true
+   for type in default extra; do
+   db_get passwd/user-$type-groups
+   for group in $RET; do
+   $log $chroot $ROOT adduser "$USER" $group 
>/dev/null 2>&1 || true
+   done
done
fi
 
Index: packages/user-setup/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates
===
--- packages/user-setup/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates(revision 60407)
+++ packages/user-setup/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates(working copy)
@@ -22,6 +22,12 @@
 Default: audio cdrom dialout floppy video plugdev netdev powerdev scanner 
bluetooth
 Description: for internal use only
 
+# Allow adding user to extra groups in addition to the default
+Template: passwd/user-extra-groups
+Type: string
+Default: 
+Description: for internal use only
+
 Template: passwd/root-login
 Type: boolean
 Default: true
Index: packages/user-setup/debian/changelog
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--- packages/user-setup/debian/changelog(revision 60407)
+++ packages/user-setup/debian/changelog(working copy)
@@ -1,7 +1,11 @@
 user-setup (1.29) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
 
+  [ Colin Watson ]
   * Upgrade to debhelper v7.
 
+  [ Joey Hess ]
+  * Add preseedable passwd/user-extra-groups. Closes: #543268
+
  -- Colin Watson   Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:31:03 +0100
 
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Bug#498143: Please detect non-ISO block devices masquerading as Debian CDs

2009-08-24 Thread Chris Lamb
Frans Pop wrote:

> It would be much nicer if we could somehow display a dialog offering the
> alternative is mounting a CD fails.

To frame my thoughts here, this is to support d-i when invoked from Debian
Live USB sticks - as Debian Live knows the target media when building the
USB image, "try-usb=true" is appended to all generated "usb with d-i"
images.

Thus, their users never require such a prompt. Indeed, if they ever were in
a position to see it, their installation would already be in trouble.

Therefore, whilst I would agree that it would be desirable to ask the user
in that situation, I don't think this additional feature request should
block the underlying support for try-usb. Besides, the only known users who
genuinely need this "trick" right now are Debian Live, and they don't need
require a dialog.

Anyway, updated patch series attached with "boot-installer/parameters.xml"
docs and updated apt-setup changelog.


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From b77e711482cd31392725e31bed8bde724d437058 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Chris Lamb 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:30:46 +0200
Subject: [PATCH 1/7] Add "usb-partition" argument to list-devices for detecting partitions on USB drives. Patch originally by Tormod Volden .

---
 packages/debian-installer-utils/debian/changelog |5 +
 packages/debian-installer-utils/list-devices |   17 +++--
 2 files changed, 20 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/packages/debian-installer-utils/debian/changelog b/packages/debian-installer-utils/debian/changelog
index 2979010..213405f 100644
--- a/packages/debian-installer-utils/debian/changelog
+++ b/packages/debian-installer-utils/debian/changelog
@@ -1,11 +1,16 @@
 debian-installer-utils (1.72) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
 
+  [ Colin Watson ]
   * Upgrade to debhelper v7.
 
   [ Aurelien Jarno ]
   * Also ship other terminfo on GNU/kFreeBSD, they are also used in some
 cases (e.g. installation through ssh).
 
+  [ Chris Lamb ]
+  * Add "usb-partition" argument to list-devices for detecting partitions on
+USB drives. Patch originally by Tormod Volden .
+
  -- Colin Watson   Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:52:50 +0100
 
 debian-installer-utils (1.71) unstable; urgency=low
diff --git a/packages/debian-installer-utils/list-devices b/packages/debian-installer-utils/list-devices
index b748be9..2a95b71 100755
--- a/packages/debian-installer-utils/list-devices
+++ b/packages/debian-installer-utils/list-devices
@@ -6,9 +6,9 @@ case $TYPE in
 	logger -t list-devices "deprecated parameter maybe-floppy"
 	TYPE=floppy
 	;;
-cd|disk|partition|floppy|maybe-usb-floppy) ;;
+cd|disk|partition|floppy|maybe-usb-floppy|usb-partition) ;;
 *)
-	echo "Usage: $0 cd|disk|partition|floppy|maybe-usb-floppy" >&2
+	echo "Usage: $0 cd|disk|partition|floppy|maybe-usb-floppy|usb-partition" >&2
 	exit 2
 	;;
 esac
@@ -40,6 +40,12 @@ case $TYPE in
 	# Also allow misdetected USB devices
 	scan_partition=:
 	;;
+usb-partition)
+	for x in /sys/block/*/*; do
+		[ -d "$x" ] || continue
+		syspaths="${syspaths:+$syspaths }$x"
+	done
+	;;
 *)
 	for x in /sys/block/*; do
 		[ -d "$x" ] || continue
@@ -85,6 +91,13 @@ for x in $syspaths; do
 			match=:
 		fi
 	fi
+	# Disk partitions, but only on USB drives
+	if ! $match && [ "$TYPE" = usb-partition ]; then
+		if device_info env "$devpath" | grep -q '^ID_BUS=usb' && \
+		   device_info env "$devpath" | grep -q '^ID_TYPE=disk'; then
+			match=:
+		fi
+	fi
 	if $match; then
 		if ! name="$(device_info name "$devpath")"; then
 			name="$(printf %s "${devpath##*/}" | \
-- 
1.6.3.3

From 51832db28d3271c140f103aad7e7da8a8585eddf Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Chris Lamb 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:42:04 +0200
Subject: [PATCH 2/7] Append " fstype=iso9660" to mounting status messages.

---
 packages/cdrom-detect/debian/cdrom-detect.postinst |9 +
 packages/cdrom-detect/debian/changelog |4 
 2 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

diff --git a/packages/cdrom-detect/debian/cdrom-detect.postinst b/packages/cdrom-detect/debian/cdrom-detect.postinst
index da0c1bb..5ead814 100755
--- a/packages/cdrom-detect/debian/cdrom-detect.postinst
+++ b/packages/cdrom-detect/debian/cdrom-detect.postinst
@@ -35,12 +35,12 @@ do
 	devices="$(list-devices cd; list-devices maybe-usb-floppy)"
 	for device in $devices; do
 		if mount -t iso9660 -o ro,exec $device /cdrom; then
-			log "CD-ROM mount succeeded: device=$device"
+			log "CD-ROM mount succeeded: device=$device fstype=iso9660"
 			mounted=1
 			db_set cdrom-detect/cdrom_device $device
 			break
 		else
-			log "CD-ROM mount failed: device=$device"
+			log "CD-ROM mount failed: device=$device fstype=iso9660"
 		fi
 	done
 
@@ -102,11 +102,12 @@ do
 			modprobe $module
 		fi
 		if mount -t iso9660 -o ro,exec $device /cdrom; then
-			log "CD-ROM mount succeeded: device=$device"
+			log "CD-ROM mount succeeded: device=$device fstype=iso9660"
+			db

Re: Ban of Uwe Bugla from debian mailinglists

2009-08-24 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Montag, 24. August 2009, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> Unfortunately I have to announce that we have banned Uwe Bugla from our
> mailinglists. In the last days he showed an attitude on our lists that is
> not acceptable in any way ([1-4] and more). We already gave him a warning,
> but this didn't helped.
>
> We really don't have anything against a good argument, but such attitude is
> neither wanted nor accepted on our lists (see netiquette [5] and our Code
> of Conduct [6]).
>
> This ban will initially last for two weeks. After that period it will be
> lifted, but if such events happen again we will reimpose it permanently.

Thank you.


And keep up the good, and mostly invisible work,
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2009-08-24 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Alexander Wirt said:
> Hi, 
> 
> Unfortunately I have to announce that we have banned Uwe Bugla from our
> mailinglists. In the last days he showed an attitude on our lists that is not
> acceptable in any way ([1-4] and more). We already gave him a warning,
> but this didn't helped. 

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Ban of Uwe Bugla from debian mailinglists

2009-08-24 Thread Alexander Wirt
Hi, 

Unfortunately I have to announce that we have banned Uwe Bugla from our
mailinglists. In the last days he showed an attitude on our lists that is not
acceptable in any way ([1-4] and more). We already gave him a warning,
but this didn't helped. 

We really don't have anything against a good argument, but such attitude is
neither wanted nor accepted on our lists (see netiquette [5] and our Code
of Conduct [6]). 

This ban will initially last for two weeks. After that period it will be
lifted, but if such events happen again we will reimpose it permanently.

Alex - Debian Listmaster 

[1] http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/200908231951.02602.uwe.bu...@gmx.de
[2] http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/200908232109.02951.uwe.bu...@gmx.de
[3] http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/200908241709.37236.uwe.bu...@gmx.de
[4] http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/200908241841.24956.uwe.bu...@gmx.de
[5] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855
[6] http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct


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Re: Keymap problems in D-I (was: Re: Bugs in the latest Debian Sid installer)

2009-08-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 06:41:24PM +0200, Uwe Bugla wrote:
> Although some people do not like me I do prefer real democratic communities 
> which are free from such authoritarian fascist no-brains.

Thank God we're not a democracy.

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Upcoming Lenny point release

2009-08-24 Thread Adam D. Barratt
Hi,

The next Lenny point release (5.0.3) is scheduled for Saturday,
September 5th.

With the exception of already planned kernel and installer updates,
stable NEW will be frozen during the weekend of August 29th - 30th.

Regards,

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debconf 1.5.28: Please update debconf PO translation for the package debconf

2009-08-24 Thread Christian Perrier
Hi,

You are noted as the last translator of the debconf translation for
...debconf (yes, even that package has debconf strings!).

A new string was added so that dialogs that prompt users for media changes
when debconf-apt-progress is used (for instance in D-I) have a properly
translated title.

I would be grateful if you could take the time and update it.

To avoid a huge number of bug reports, I suggest you send your updates
directly to me as it wouldn't you too long to make the update, including a
review.

There is no strict deadline as there will probably be several releases of
debconf until Squeeze is released.

Thanks in advance,

# Swedish translation by:
# Per Olofsson 
# Daniel Nylander , 2005
#
msgid ""
msgstr ""
"Project-Id-Version: debian-installer\n"
"Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: debc...@packages.debian.org\n"
"POT-Creation-Date: 2009-08-24 19:24+0200\n"
"PO-Revision-Date: 2006-09-07 23:38+0100\n"
"Last-Translator: Daniel Nylander \n"
"Language-Team: Swedish \n"
"MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
"Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n"
"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:1001
msgid "Dialog"
msgstr "Dialog"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:1001
msgid "Readline"
msgstr "Readline"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:1001
msgid "Editor"
msgstr "Redigerare"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:1001
msgid "Noninteractive"
msgstr "Icke-interaktivt"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:1002
msgid "Interface to use:"
msgstr "Gränssnitt att använda:"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:1002
msgid ""
"Packages that use debconf for configuration share a common look and feel. "
"You can select the type of user interface they use."
msgstr ""
"Paket som använder debconf för konfigurering delar ett gemensamt utseende. "
"Du kan välja vilken sorts användargränssnitt de skall använda."

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:1002
msgid ""
"The dialog frontend is a full-screen, character based interface, while the "
"readline frontend uses a more traditional plain text interface, and both the "
"gnome and kde frontends are modern X interfaces, fitting the respective "
"desktops (but may be used in any X environment). The editor frontend lets "
"you configure things using your favorite text editor. The noninteractive "
"frontend never asks you any questions."
msgstr ""
"Dialogskalet är ett textbaserat fullskärmsgränssnitt medan readline-skalet "
"använder ett mer traditionellt ren text-gränssnitt, och både Gnome- och KDE-"
"skalen är moderna X-gränssnitt passande respektive skrivbordsmiljöer (men "
"kan användas i vilken X-miljö som helst). Textredigeringsskalet låter dig "
"konfigurera saker med ditt favorittextredigeringsprogram. Det icke-"
"interaktiva skalet ställer aldrig några frågor till dig."

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:2001
msgid "critical"
msgstr "kritisk"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:2001
msgid "high"
msgstr "hög"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:2001
msgid "medium"
msgstr "medel"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:2001
msgid "low"
msgstr "låg"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:2002
msgid "Ignore questions with a priority less than:"
msgstr "Ignorera frågor med lägre prioritet än:"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:2002
msgid ""
"Debconf prioritizes the questions it asks you. Pick the lowest priority of "
"question you want to see:\n"
"  - 'critical' only prompts you if the system might break.\n"
"Pick it if you are a newbie, or in a hurry.\n"
"  - 'high' is for rather important questions\n"
"  - 'medium' is for normal questions\n"
"  - 'low' is for control freaks who want to see everything"
msgstr ""
"Debconf prioriterar frågor den ställer till dig. Välj den lägsta "
"prioritetsnivån för frågor du vill se:\n"
"  - \"kritisk\" frågar dig endast om systemet kan skadas.\n"
"Välj den om du är nybörjare eller har bråttom..\n"
"  - \"hög\" är för ganska viktiga frågor\n"
"  - \"medel\" är för normala frågor\n"
"  - \"låg\" är för kontrolltokar som vill se allt som händer"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:2002
msgid ""
"Note that no matter what level you pick here, you will be able to see every "
"question if you reconfigure a package with dpkg-reconfigure."
msgstr ""
"Notera att oavsett vilken nivå du väljer här är det möjligt att se varje "
"fråga om du konfigurerar om ett paket med dpkg-reconfigure."

#. Type: text
#. Description
#: ../templates:3001
msgid "Installing packages"
msgstr "Installerar paket"

#. Type: text
#. Description
#: ../templates:4001
msgid "Please wait..."
msgstr "Var god vänta..."

#. Type: text
#. Description
#. This string is the 'title' of dialog boxes that prompt users
#. when they need to insert a new medium (most often a CD or DVD)
#. to install a package or a collection of packages
#: ../templates:6001
msgid "Media change"
msgstr ""

#~ msgid "Ignore questions with a priority less than..."
#~

debconf 1.5.28: Please update debconf PO translation for the package debconf

2009-08-24 Thread Christian Perrier
Hi,

You are noted as the last translator of the debconf translation for
...debconf (yes, even that package has debconf strings!).

A new string was added so that dialogs that prompt users for media changes
when debconf-apt-progress is used (for instance in D-I) have a properly
translated title.

I would be grateful if you could take the time and update it.

To avoid a huge number of bug reports, I suggest you send your updates
directly to me as it wouldn't you too long to make the update, including a
review.

There is no strict deadline as there will probably be several releases of
debconf until Squeeze is released.

Thanks in advance,

# translation of debconf_debian_po.po to Wolof
# This file is distributed under the same license as the PACKAGE package.
# Copyright (C) YEAR THE PACKAGE'S COPYRIGHT HOLDER.
# Mouhamadou Mamoune Mbacke , 2006.
#
msgid ""
msgstr ""
"Project-Id-Version: debconf_debian_po\n"
"Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: debc...@packages.debian.org\n"
"POT-Creation-Date: 2009-08-24 19:24+0200\n"
"PO-Revision-Date: 2006-09-09 17:53+\n"
"Last-Translator: Mouhamadou Mamoune Mbacke \n"
"Language-Team: Wolof \n"
"MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
"Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n"
"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
"X-Generator: KBabel 1.9.1\n"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:1001
msgid "Dialog"
msgstr "Dialog"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:1001
msgid "Readline"
msgstr "Readline"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:1001
msgid "Editor"
msgstr "Editor"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:1001
msgid "Noninteractive"
msgstr "Noninteractive"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:1002
msgid "Interface to use:"
msgstr "Interfaas biñuy jëfandikoo:"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:1002
msgid ""
"Packages that use debconf for configuration share a common look and feel. "
"You can select the type of user interface they use."
msgstr ""
"Paket yiy jëfandikoo debconfg ci seen komfiguraasioŋ, dañuy niróo jëmmu ak "
"melo. Man ngaa tann fasoŋu interfaas bi nga bëgg ñukoy jëfandikoo."

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:1002
msgid ""
"The dialog frontend is a full-screen, character based interface, while the "
"readline frontend uses a more traditional plain text interface, and both the "
"gnome and kde frontends are modern X interfaces, fitting the respective "
"desktops (but may be used in any X environment). The editor frontend lets "
"you configure things using your favorite text editor. The noninteractive "
"frontend never asks you any questions."
msgstr ""
"Dialog ab interfaas bu karakteer la buy fees ekraŋ bi, readline bi moom "
"dafay jëfandikoo tekst ordineer bu cosaan, gnome ak kde nak ñoom yu "
"interfaas X yu jamonoo lañu, dëppóo ak seeni biro (waaye maneesna leena "
"jëfandikoo ci béppu barab X). Editor nak dana la may nga jëfandikoo sa "
"editoru tekst bila daxal kir komfigure linga bëgg. noninteractive nak dula "
"laaj mukk benn laaj."

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:2001
msgid "critical"
msgstr "bu garaaw"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:2001
msgid "high"
msgstr "bu kawe"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:2001
msgid "medium"
msgstr "bu diggdóomu"

#. Type: select
#. Choices
#: ../templates:2001
msgid "low"
msgstr "bu suufe"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:2002
msgid "Ignore questions with a priority less than:"
msgstr "jéllalé laaj yi am piriyorite yu yées:"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:2002
msgid ""
"Debconf prioritizes the questions it asks you. Pick the lowest priority of "
"question you want to see:\n"
"  - 'critical' only prompts you if the system might break.\n"
"Pick it if you are a newbie, or in a hurry.\n"
"  - 'high' is for rather important questions\n"
"  - 'medium' is for normal questions\n"
"  - 'low' is for control freaks who want to see everything"
msgstr ""
"Debconf dafay jox laaj yimu lay laaj ay piritorite. Tannal piriyorite bi "
"gëna suufe bi ngay bëgg diko gis:\n"
"  -'bu garaaw' dula laaj dara fiiyak sistem bi nekkul di bëgga dammu.\n"
"   Tann ko bu fekkee ab saabees nga, walla nga yàkkamti.\n"
"  -'bu kawe' ngir rekk laaj yi am solo lool.\n"
"  'bu diggdóomu' ngir laaj yu ordineer\n"
"  'bu suufe' ngir ñi nga xam ne dañuy bëgg di konturle leppu"

#. Type: select
#. Description
#: ../templates:2002
msgid ""
"Note that no matter what level you pick here, you will be able to see every "
"question if you reconfigure a package with dpkg-reconfigure."
msgstr ""
"Xamal ne tolluwaay boo man di tann fii, du tee ngay mana gis laaj yéppu, bu "
"fekkee dangay komfigure ab paket ak dpkg-reconfigure."

#. Type: text
#. Description
#: ../templates:3001
msgid "Installing packages"
msgstr "Mi ngi istale paket yi"

#. Type: text
#. Description
#: ../templates:4001
msgid "Please wait..."
msgstr "Muñal tuut..."

#. Type: text
#. Description
#. This string is the 'title' of dialog boxes that prompt users
#. when they need to insert a new medium (most 

Re: Keymap problems in D-I (was: Re: Bugs in the latest Debian Sid installer)

2009-08-24 Thread Uwe Bugla
Am Montag 24 August 2009 18:11:55 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 05:09:37PM +0200, Uwe Bugla wrote:
> > Am Montag 24 August 2009 16:11:10 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 02:33:31PM +0200, Uwe Bugla wrote:
> > > > If I do describe accurately a problem dealing with netinst image,
> > > > and, as a consequence, I am asked to perform a test with a netboot
> > > > image (which has technologically nothing to do with the netinst one
> > >
> > > This is so utterly and completely wrong it's not even funny.
> > >
> > > 99% of what's on the installer images is the same from one flavour to
> > > the other. The only difference between flavours are the default
> > > retrievers that are put on the image, the drivers that are available,
> > > and what part of the base system is available. It *does*
> > > technologically have a *lot* to do with the netinst one.
> >
> > Non-qualified superficial nonsense of a "would-like-to"-ranter!
>
> Er. I've actually *worked* on the installer. Not as much as I'd like,
> but sure as hell more than you.
>
> > > It was a perfectly reasonable debugging attempt by Christian to see
> > > whether he could reproduce it by using the image that was easiest for
> > > him to try.
> >
> > Nonsense! See first point in how far!
>
> Rotfl.
>
> > > He didn't ask you to perform a test with a netboot image specifically,
> >
> > Lie! He in fact did!
>
> Not a lie; at most, a statement that wasn't clear enough so that you'd
> understand what I meant.
>
> > > but rather asked you to perform a test with a daily build, to see
> > > whether the problem still existed in the latest version.
> >
> > Crap! If noone did any kind of intervention on the images in the time
> > window of some days, everything that changes is the date, but not the
> > contents!
>
> Are you claiming that no development is happening on Debian at all?
>
> Any kind of change could have occurred in the mean time, and there's no
> way that Christian (or, in fact, anyone) can know all of them by heart.
>
> > Miguels posting was the best prove that ever could have happened to
> > me, showing that some things within the Debian installer developers do
> > not work in practice as expected!
>
> Rotfl.
>
> > > Since these are
> > > easiest to test with netboot images, it's not unreasonable for him to
> > > point you to the netboot image -- though you may want to use something
> > > else, and report on that.
> >
> > Your mental incapability easily shows that you even do not know the
> > difference between a netboot and a netinst image (although I have
> > explained it now for more than once, damn stupid!):
>
> I do not need to be 'explained' what the difference is between two
> flavours of software *that I've worked on* by a person who hasn't and
> whose name does not even remotely ring any bell to me in regards to said
> software, thank you very much.
>
> > I would call that the highest possible state of cretinism (using
> > medical terminology).  Go to find a doctor please!
> >
> > > The fact that you *think* you know what you're talking about does not,
> > > in any way, imply that you do; and it *certainly* does not give you the
> > > right to be rude, to start calling people names, and to tell them that
> > > they are incompetent.
> >
> > Leave that point up to me and please go to find a doctor, OK!
> >
> > > If you still believe you do, then kindly fuck off.
> >
> > Non-qualified stupid rant from the first word to the last - it's your
> > expected task to fuck off from here - not me!
>
> No, it's yours.
>
> Listmasters: please take appropriate action regarding this user. He's
> been extremely abusive to multiple developers, does not want to listen
> to reason, has shown repeated proofs of arrogance and a superiority
> complex, and is in general disruptive to normal discussion on the list.
>
> Thanks,

Debian Listmasters!

in the utmost important first state of priority that ever can be imagined we 
should ban fascist reactionary brains like Wouter Verhelst from everything 
that has to do with Debian or Linux..

Although some people do not like me I do prefer real democratic communities 
which are free from such authoritarian fascist no-brains.

Cheers and best regards

Uwe

P. S.: Still enjoying Debian Sid - one of the best distros that I know since 
years.
in spite of all the incredible human crap spread around here causing me 
nothing but pain


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Re: Keymap problems in D-I (was: Re: Bugs in the latest Debian Sid installer)

2009-08-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 05:09:37PM +0200, Uwe Bugla wrote:
> Am Montag 24 August 2009 16:11:10 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 02:33:31PM +0200, Uwe Bugla wrote:
> > > If I do describe accurately a problem dealing with netinst image, and,
> > > as a consequence, I am asked to perform a test with a netboot image
> > > (which has technologically nothing to do with the netinst one
> >
> > This is so utterly and completely wrong it's not even funny.
> >
> > 99% of what's on the installer images is the same from one flavour to
> > the other. The only difference between flavours are the default
> > retrievers that are put on the image, the drivers that are available,
> > and what part of the base system is available. It *does* technologically
> > have a *lot* to do with the netinst one.
> 
> Non-qualified superficial nonsense of a "would-like-to"-ranter!

Er. I've actually *worked* on the installer. Not as much as I'd like,
but sure as hell more than you.

> > It was a perfectly reasonable debugging attempt by Christian to see
> > whether he could reproduce it by using the image that was easiest for
> > him to try.
> 
> Nonsense! See first point in how far!

Rotfl.

> > He didn't ask you to perform a test with a netboot image specifically,
> 
> Lie! He in fact did!

Not a lie; at most, a statement that wasn't clear enough so that you'd
understand what I meant.

> > but rather asked you to perform a test with a daily build, to see
> > whether the problem still existed in the latest version.
> 
> Crap! If noone did any kind of intervention on the images in the time
> window of some days, everything that changes is the date, but not the
> contents!

Are you claiming that no development is happening on Debian at all?

Any kind of change could have occurred in the mean time, and there's no
way that Christian (or, in fact, anyone) can know all of them by heart.

> Miguels posting was the best prove that ever could have happened to
> me, showing that some things within the Debian installer developers do
> not work in practice as expected!

Rotfl.

> > Since these are
> > easiest to test with netboot images, it's not unreasonable for him to
> > point you to the netboot image -- though you may want to use something
> > else, and report on that.
> 
> Your mental incapability easily shows that you even do not know the
> difference between a netboot and a netinst image (although I have
> explained it now for more than once, damn stupid!):

I do not need to be 'explained' what the difference is between two
flavours of software *that I've worked on* by a person who hasn't and
whose name does not even remotely ring any bell to me in regards to said
software, thank you very much.

> I would call that the highest possible state of cretinism (using
> medical terminology).  Go to find a doctor please!
> 
> > The fact that you *think* you know what you're talking about does not,
> > in any way, imply that you do; and it *certainly* does not give you the
> > right to be rude, to start calling people names, and to tell them that
> > they are incompetent.
> 
> Leave that point up to me and please go to find a doctor, OK!
> 
> > If you still believe you do, then kindly fuck off.
> 
> Non-qualified stupid rant from the first word to the last - it's your
> expected task to fuck off from here - not me!

No, it's yours.

Listmasters: please take appropriate action regarding this user. He's
been extremely abusive to multiple developers, does not want to listen
to reason, has shown repeated proofs of arrogance and a superiority
complex, and is in general disruptive to normal discussion on the list.

Thanks,

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Re: Your attitude on debian mailinglists

2009-08-24 Thread Uwe Bugla
Am Montag 24 August 2009 17:26:06 schrieben Sie:
> Hi Uwe,
>
> I'm writing to you in my role as one of the debian listmasters. We
> currently have several complaints from users about your behaviour on the
> debian-boot mailinglist. I took a look on some of your mails (for example
> <200908232109.02951.uwe.bu...@gmx.de>), that type of mails  are really
> unacceptable behaviour on your mailinglist. You may want to take a look on
> the netiquette [1] or our code of conduct [2] before sending mails to one
> of our mailinglists.
>
> This mails is some kind of a warning, if complaints against you continue I
> will have ban you from the according mailinglist, if they even continue
> after that I will have to ban you from lists.debian.org at all.
>
> I really hope that this is not neccessary. Please come back to a normal
> discussion style.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Alex - Debian Listmaster
>
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855
> [2] http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

Alex,
unfortunately I cannot reproduce your above link for technical reasons.
(i. e. for example what please?).

Of course I do accept repression against me for going too far losing temper - 
no discussion about that.
But on the other hand it would be nothing else but highly democratic in the 
sense of the meaning to give up protectionism of arrogant and stupid ignorant 
developers like Christian Perrier.

If this is not being taken into consideration, bans against me and others are 
nothing but fascist behaviour in the end...
1. We do not live in the Roman Empire any longer (i. e. Quod licet Iovi non 
licet Bovi is obsolete, crap of the history)
2. Democracy means "Freedom of attitudes". Who thinks different is completely 
displaced here and elsewhere.
3. In fact I do respect netiquettes in the normal cases. Buit if 
"Nettiquettes" mean nothing else than protectionism of arrogant and stupid 
incapable people then nettiquettes are bunk, at least in my eyes.

Cheers

Uwe

P. S.: Every fish stinks starting from the HEAD down to the TAIL, not vice 
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Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-24 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Frans,

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
> Attached patches (untested, but straightforward) for three components:
> - base-installer, where the question is asked (at medium priority) and APT
>  is configured accordingly; the setting will persist for the installed
>  system;
> - di-utils: apt-install will now respect the global setting instead of
>  always ignoring Recommends;
> - pkgsel: same, and drop now redundant option to include Recommends for
>  "include" (preseeded additional) packages.
[...]

I enjoyed the patches a lot. The only thing I guess we might consider
doing is loggin when pkgsel/include/install-recommends is used.

This can help people to notice that the behaviour has change and that
they need to update their preseeding files.

In this case I think it is worth since it will be quite difficult to
user to notice it otherwise.

> I see two main advantages to going this way:
> - empower our more professional and experienced users;
> - D-I will be a lot more consistent, instead of some components behaving
>  one way and some the other.

+1

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Re: Keymap problems in D-I (was: Re: Bugs in the latest Debian Sid installer)

2009-08-24 Thread Uwe Bugla
Am Montag 24 August 2009 16:11:10 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 02:33:31PM +0200, Uwe Bugla wrote:
> > If I do describe accurately a problem dealing with netinst image, and,
> > as a consequence, I am asked to perform a test with a netboot image
> > (which has technologically nothing to do with the netinst one
>
> This is so utterly and completely wrong it's not even funny.
>
> 99% of what's on the installer images is the same from one flavour to
> the other. The only difference between flavours are the default
> retrievers that are put on the image, the drivers that are available,
> and what part of the base system is available. It *does* technologically
> have a *lot* to do with the netinst one.

Non-qualified superficial nonsense of a "would-like-to"-ranter!

> It was a perfectly reasonable debugging attempt by Christian to see
> whether he could reproduce it by using the image that was easiest for
> him to try.

Nonsense! See first point in how far!

> He didn't ask you to perform a test with a netboot image specifically,

Lie! He in fact did!

> but rather asked you to perform a test with a daily build, to see
> whether the problem still existed in the latest version.

Crap! If noone did any kind of intervention on the images in the time window 
of some days, everything that changes is the date, but not the contents!
Miguels posting was the best prove that ever could have happened to me, 
showing that some things within the Debian installer developers do not work in 
practice as expected!

> Since these are
> easiest to test with netboot images, it's not unreasonable for him to
> point you to the netboot image -- though you may want to use something
> else, and report on that.

Your mental incapability easily shows that you even do not know the difference 
between a netboot and a netinst image (although I have explained it now for 
more than once, damn stupid!):
I would call that the highest possible state of cretinism (using medical 
terminology). Go to find a doctor please!

> The fact that you *think* you know what you're talking about does not,
> in any way, imply that you do; and it *certainly* does not give you the
> right to be rude, to start calling people names, and to tell them that
> they are incompetent.

Leave that point up to me and please go to find a doctor, OK!

> If you still believe you do, then kindly fuck off.

Non-qualified stupid rant from the first word to the last - it's your expected 
task to fuck off from here - not me!

Uwe


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Re: Keymap problems in D-I (was: Re: Bugs in the latest Debian Sid installer)

2009-08-24 Thread Uwe Bugla
Am Montag 24 August 2009 14:46:18 schrieb Samuel Thibault:
> Uwe Bugla, le Mon 24 Aug 2009 14:33:31 +0200, a écrit :
> > If I do describe accurately a problem dealing with netinst image, and, as
> > a consequence, I am asked to perform a test with a netboot image (which
> > has technologically nothing to do with the netinst one - I do not have
> > discless workstations and I do not have NICs with boot PROMs), this is a
> > gesture that doesn't even intend to solve the problem itself, but instead
> > tries to play it down with the proved intention that I give up filing
> > bugs.
>
> ??!!
>
> Asking for checking with another kind of image is just the best way to
> check whether the problem is in the common content of them or somewhere
> in the difference between them.  So such test is definitely a good thing
> to do.

Sounds correct theoretically, but in this special case is untrue 
unfortunately!

The solution of the problem would have been to immediately have a look whether 
one of the following packages is part of the netinst image:
Either:
a. console-data plus console-common or even
b. console-setup

It was me to tell Christian that performing an install of a. 
after the first reboot (i. e. TOO LATE in so far as this MUST be part of the 
basic installation) solves the problem.
It was Frans Pop telling Christian to have a look whether console-setup is 
part of the netinst image.

In fact Christian did neither follow a. nor did he follow b.!  

> > This is just one example of Mr. Perriers behaviour far beyond of good and
> > bad and this is the reason why I lose temper and thus decide not to
> > cooperate with him any longer
>
> I fear you won't find many people to work with.  Googling a bit gives me
> a lot of results where developers have lost patience with you.

Nothing but superficial verbal crap! Next time please ask me before you intend 
to use anything like that against me, or I will strictly ignore you for being 
superficial cause I hate superficial people! Otherwise stay quiet please!

In the one case I helped to get rid of an incapable developer called Manu 
Abraham responsible for a card support discontinuity of TwinHan clones (DVB 
cards) for an amount of three kernels, i. e. 9 (!) months (2.6.14, 2.6.15, 
2.6.16). This guy does not play his tricks against people much more 
intelligent and capable than he himself will ever be. In so far my engagement 
was not in vain

In the second case I built up some public protest against a maintainer who is 
known to produce unusable kernels by winking through untested crap patches in 
an utmost sensitiive area called networking. His name is David S. Miller.
I can show you postings where Linus Torvalds is putting tons of shit on David.
The only difference is:
At least in some parts of the Linux society we do not live in a context with 
democratic self-understanding.
A quite reactionary principle rules instead which was described by the old 
Romans as follows: "Quod licet Jovi non licet Bovi!"
That sounds real imbearable not only for persons like me but that's reality.
Fact meanwhile is: Miller has become careful now, and that's exactly the 
behaviour that I intended. 

> > a. I as user (administrator) give a precise description of the problem
> > that I have. Two or three feedback questions come back in some cases
> > asking me to describe the thing more precisely if I am not good enough
> > doing the description.
> > b. But then the time is right to take action as far as the developer's
> > part is concerned.

> What you're forgetting is at least two things:
>
> - the developer may have no idea where the problem is, and thus can of
>   course _not_ take any action but asking for more tests.

He received two hints from two sides - so forget about that point..

> - the developer may not have the time to take action _immediately_ and
>   thus asks for more tests

In that specific case more tests are completely irrelevant, so your point of 
view is nothing but irrelevant, Samuel.

>   so that when he gets some time he will have
>   more clues about the issue.  Acting this way asks for more time from
>   you, yes, but overall the problem can be fixed sooner, as the
>   developer can then take much more appropriate action.
>
> > I guess there are far better developers than Christian Perrier, not only
> > as part of the Debian community.
>
> When reading your mails they'll probably just refuse to interact with
> you.

Their bad luck - not mine! I do prefer real men with butts in their trousers.
Damn wimps are not welcome at all  :)  :)

> Samuel

Uwe


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Re: Keymap problems in D-I (was: Re: Bugs in the latest Debian Sid installer)

2009-08-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 02:33:31PM +0200, Uwe Bugla wrote:
> If I do describe accurately a problem dealing with netinst image, and,
> as a consequence, I am asked to perform a test with a netboot image
> (which has technologically nothing to do with the netinst one

This is so utterly and completely wrong it's not even funny.

99% of what's on the installer images is the same from one flavour to
the other. The only difference between flavours are the default
retrievers that are put on the image, the drivers that are available,
and what part of the base system is available. It *does* technologically
have a *lot* to do with the netinst one.

It was a perfectly reasonable debugging attempt by Christian to see
whether he could reproduce it by using the image that was easiest for
him to try.

He didn't ask you to perform a test with a netboot image specifically,
but rather asked you to perform a test with a daily build, to see
whether the problem still existed in the latest version. Since these are
easiest to test with netboot images, it's not unreasonable for him to
point you to the netboot image -- though you may want to use something
else, and report on that.

The fact that you *think* you know what you're talking about does not,
in any way, imply that you do; and it *certainly* does not give you the
right to be rude, to start calling people names, and to tell them that
they are incompetent.

If you still believe you do, then kindly fuck off.

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Re: Keymap problems in D-I (was: Re: Bugs in the latest Debian Sid installer)

2009-08-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
Uwe Bugla, le Mon 24 Aug 2009 14:33:31 +0200, a écrit :
> If I do describe accurately a problem dealing with netinst image, and, as a 
> consequence, I am asked to perform a test with a netboot image (which has 
> technologically nothing to do with the netinst one - I do not have discless 
> workstations and I do not have NICs with boot PROMs), this is a gesture that 
> doesn't even intend to solve the problem itself, but instead tries to play it 
> down with the proved intention that I give up filing bugs.

??!!

Asking for checking with another kind of image is just the best way to
check whether the problem is in the common content of them or somewhere
in the difference between them.  So such test is definitely a good thing
to do.

> This is just one example of Mr. Perriers behaviour far beyond of good and bad 
> and this is the reason why I lose temper and thus decide not to cooperate 
> with 
> him any longer

I fear you won't find many people to work with.  Googling a bit gives me
a lot of results where developers have lost patience with you.

> a. I as user (administrator) give a precise description of the problem that I 
> have. Two or three feedback questions come back in some cases asking me to 
> describe the thing more precisely if I am not good enough doing the 
> description.
> b. But then the time is right to take action as far as the developer's part 
> is 
> concerned.

What you're forgetting is at least two things:

- the developer may have no idea where the problem is, and thus can of
  course _not_ take any action but asking for more tests.
- the developer may not have the time to take action _immediately_ and
  thus asks for more tests so that when he gets some time he will have
  more clues about the issue.  Acting this way asks for more time from
  you, yes, but overall the problem can be fixed sooner, as the
  developer can then take much more appropriate action.

> I guess there are far better developers than Christian Perrier, not only as 
> part of the Debian community.

When reading your mails they'll probably just refuse to interact with
you.

Samuel


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Re: Keymap problems in D-I (was: Re: Bugs in the latest Debian Sid installer)

2009-08-24 Thread Uwe Bugla
Am Montag 24 August 2009 02:02:36 schrieb Steve McIntyre:
> Uwe Bugla wrote:
>
> A totally unnecessary personally abusive email targeted at a valued
> Debian developer. I refuse to dignify the message by quoting any of
> it.
>
> This kind of abusive message has no place within the Debian community,
> and especially not targeted publically at a well-respected Debian
> developer working on his own time to try and solve a problem. I have
> contacted the Debian listmasters about this mail already.

Do whatever you may wish about my mail. I do not mind for one second.
If I do describe accurately a problem dealing with netinst image, and, as a 
consequence, I am asked to perform a test with a netboot image (which has 
technologically nothing to do with the netinst one - I do not have discless 
workstations and I do not have NICs with boot PROMs), this is a gesture that 
doesn't even intend to solve the problem itself, but instead tries to play it 
down with the proved intention that I give up filing bugs.

This is just one example of Mr. Perriers behaviour far beyond of good and bad 
and this is the reason why I lose temper and thus decide not to cooperate with 
him any longer

The other part is: This has become a nearly endless thread, and I am not used 
to that kind of rant.
The procedure that I am used to is the following:

a. I as user (administrator) give a precise description of the problem that I 
have. Two or three feedback questions come back in some cases asking me to 
describe the thing more precisely if I am not good enough doing the 
description.
b. But then the time is right to take action as far as the developer's part is 
concerned.
c. Then I can try the new resultt.
d. And so on...

But nothing of that "taking real action" happened: Except of endless seeming 
ranting and systematically playing down my descriptions giving me the 
impression that my described bugs ain't no bugs at all I cannot see any 
progress or attempt to really solve the described problems.

Instead of that I am expected to reinstall my workstations (with incompatible 
disk images additionally - just imagine!) and thus throwing away hours of time 
for absolutely nothing. And if I refuse to do that because Mister Perriers 
logic at least to me appears more than strange and adventurous, if not to say 
completely aside, I am of course accused to be non-cooperative - how 
ridiculous!

If I just calculate the enormous amount of time I spent on writing the bug 
reports with the one and only effect to face a discussion whether the bug I 
described is or isn't a bug at all then this output is a real poor one.

That's all for today so far.

I guess there are far better developers than Christian Perrier, not only as 
part of the Debian community.
I would prefer to work with them on the described issues.

Cheers

Uwe

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Re: Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-24 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:28:00AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 09:15:59AM +0200, Bj?rn Mork wrote:
> > > I think the use case is users who are being control freaks about the set 
> > > of
> > > packages on their systems.  If the set of packages being pulled in as
> > > recommends is *wrong* (they don't fit the Policy definition of 
> > > Recommends),
> > > bugs should be filed against those packages and be fixed.  If the set of
> > > packages is *right*, then there's no good reason to give users a big 
> > > "ignore
> > > Policy" button at install time.
> 
> > The number of "yes, we want this" answers shows that the current set is
> > wrong.
> 
> No, it doesn't; all it shows is that there are people who are willing to
> complain about installation of Recommends by default.

They're complaining for no reason whatsoever?

> > I'm hesitating, and have chosen to set APT::Install-Recommends False
> > instead.
> 
> I think that's self-evidently the wrong solution.  If you don't want
> avahi-daemon installed, you can uninstall that one package or use equivs or
> do a variety of other things.  It doesn't make sense to ignore all package
> Recommends just because there's one particular package you don't want on
> your system.

For me, it's not one package, it's a lot of packages.  Taking one example,
openssh-server, if I install recommends I get about six packages I really,
*really* don't want on all my servers.  (That's one of the less annoying
examples; other things I've installed pull in services as recommends, I
believe avahi-daemon has crept in at one time or another).

I'm not about to start listing dozens (probably hundreds, taken across all
my machines) of packages in my manifests as "don't install this... and
this... and this...".  I do, however, recognise that I probably qualify as
producing "unusual installations", so filing tons of bugs saying that
practically every Recommends: entry in the archive is inappropriate just
doesn't seem reasonable.

I see "install no recommends" as an "I'm an unusual installation" button;
putting that into the d-i UI is probably not really important (if you're
unusual installation, you should know enough about preseeding to be able to
handle that).  It definitely needs to exist, though; if we make it
impossible to avoid installing recommends, why bother with the distinction
at all and just stick everything in Depends?

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Re: Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 09:15:59AM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> > I think the use case is users who are being control freaks about the set of
> > packages on their systems.  If the set of packages being pulled in as
> > recommends is *wrong* (they don't fit the Policy definition of Recommends),
> > bugs should be filed against those packages and be fixed.  If the set of
> > packages is *right*, then there's no good reason to give users a big "ignore
> > Policy" button at install time.

> The number of "yes, we want this" answers shows that the current set is
> wrong.

No, it doesn't; all it shows is that there are people who are willing to
complain about installation of Recommends by default.

> One example just out of my head: I've found that it is nearly impossible
> to avoid avahi-daemon if APT::Install-Recommends is true.  There are
> multiple completely unrelated (IMHO) packages recommending it, like
> sane-utils and rhythmbox.  But are these bugs?

I don't think the rhythmbox one is a bug.  I'm not sure if the sane-utils
one is a bug.

> I guess a system without avahi-daemon is pretty unusual, given the number
> of recommends pointing in that direction.

That's not really a relevant measure of whether the Recommends are correct.

> Should I start filing bugs anyway?

Discussion on debian-devel first may be a better way to proceed.

> I'm hesitating, and have chosen to set APT::Install-Recommends False
> instead.

I think that's self-evidently the wrong solution.  If you don't want
avahi-daemon installed, you can uninstall that one package or use equivs or
do a variety of other things.  It doesn't make sense to ignore all package
Recommends just because there's one particular package you don't want on
your system.

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Re: Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-24 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve Langasek  writes:

> I think the use case is users who are being control freaks about the set of
> packages on their systems.  If the set of packages being pulled in as
> recommends is *wrong* (they don't fit the Policy definition of Recommends),
> bugs should be filed against those packages and be fixed.  If the set of
> packages is *right*, then there's no good reason to give users a big "ignore
> Policy" button at install time.

The number of "yes, we want this" answers shows that the current set is
wrong.

I think the problem is that I as an administrator don't know whether my
installation is "unusual" or not, making it hard to know whether I
should file a bug against an unwanted Recommends or not.  In fact,
recommending is self-fulfilling.  Only the unusual installations will
avoid installing the recommended package...

One example just out of my head: I've found that it is nearly impossible
to avoid avahi-daemon if APT::Install-Recommends is true.  There are
multiple completely unrelated (IMHO) packages recommending it, like
sane-utils and rhythmbox.  But are these bugs?  I guess a system without
avahi-daemon is pretty unusual, given the number of recommends pointing
in that direction.  Should I start filing bugs anyway?  I'm hesitating,
and have chosen to set APT::Install-Recommends False instead.  



Bjørn


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