Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
I've got the game packaged on mentors if anybody is interested in sponsoring. http://mentors.debian.net/package/edgar
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Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
Hi, I was wondering if there is any interest in packaging this game for Debian? The game is fairly mature now and mostly receives translation updates. If there is anything that needs changing then let me know. Richard
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:44:53AM +, Richard Sweeney wrote: I have removed all the non-free sounds and music from the game now. The media I'm using, along with their licences and download origin, are in the file below (I won't paste the contents here, it's pretty long). http://sourceforge.net/p/legendofedgar/code/1110/tree/branches/dfsg/doc/music_and_sound_licences Rik just released version 1.10 with the new DFSG-compliant media. Joseph, are you still intending to package it? -- Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Guus Sliepen g...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
I have removed all the non-free sounds and music from the game now. The media I'm using, along with their licences and download origin, are in the file below (I won't paste the contents here, it's pretty long). http://sourceforge.net/p/legendofedgar/code/1110/tree/branches/dfsg/doc/music_and_sound_licences If someone could let me know if these look OK, I'd appreciate it. Thanks Richard
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
Hi, I'm currently replacing the music and sound effects in The Legend of Edgar with media from opengameart.org. Currently, the media I'm using have the following licences CC-BY 3.0 CC-BY-SA 3.0 GPL 3.0 Are these licences OK for Debian, or will the GPL 3.0 be an issue? I couldn't really find a clear answer on this one. Thanks Richard
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Richard Sweeney wrote: I'm currently replacing the music and sound effects in The Legend of Edgar with media from opengameart.org. Currently, the media I'm using have the following licences CC-BY 3.0 CC-BY-SA 3.0 GPL 3.0 Are these licences OK for Debian, or will the GPL 3.0 be an issue? I couldn't really find a clear answer on this one. These licenses are OK for Debian. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 15:09:51 +0800 Subject: Re: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game From: p...@debian.org To: rikswee...@hotmail.com CC: debian-de...@lists.debian.org; 653...@bugs.debian.org On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Richard Sweeney wrote: I'm currently replacing the music and sound effects in The Legend of Edgar with media from opengameart.org. Currently, the media I'm using have the following licences CC-BY 3.0 CC-BY-SA 3.0 GPL 3.0 Are these licences OK for Debian, or will the GPL 3.0 be an issue? I couldn't really find a clear answer on this one. These licenses are OK for Debian. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise Great, thanks for your help!
Bug#653813:
Any news about the inclusion of The Legend Of Edgar in official Debian repositories?
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 06:58:26PM +, Richard Sweeney wrote: If current license is GPL and someone make a fork based on that your license change in the future will not have an impact on the fork. A release has no value when regarding what license the work is available as. OK, I've left it as GPL. I've also added an archive with the sound and music removed. It's called edgar-0.96-nosound.tar.gz and is at https://sourceforge.net/projects/legendofedgar/files/0.96 That's great, thanks! I understand how hard is to get good sounds and music that fits your game. It doesn't help that there a lot of sites that claim to have an archive of free sound/music, when in fact a large part of the files they serve are not free at all. The Creative Commons Sampling+ license is also extremely counter-productive. Together with Astrid de Wijn and Hans de Goede, we have found DFSG-compatible replacement music and sounds for Blobwars I, but it was a lot of work (and there is still room for improvement). For Starfighter, I will try to see how far I can get with abcmidi and csound to create both sound effects and music, which can be recreated from real source files. -- Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Guus Sliepen g...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
If current license is GPL and someone make a fork based on that your license change in the future will not have an impact on the fork. A release has no value when regarding what license the work is available as. OK, I've left it as GPL. I've also added an archive with the sound and music removed. It's called edgar-0.96-nosound.tar.gz and is at https://sourceforge.net/projects/legendofedgar/files/0.96 Richard
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
The code is GPL and the gfx and data is CC BY-NC-SA 3.0. This is the first time I've heard a mention of a CC license. There is nothing in the source tarball mentioning a Creative Commons license. If you really mean it to be CC BY-NC-SA 3.0, you have to clearly specify that in the source and binary packages you are distributing. OK, what's the best approach for that? I've updated the readme in the doc directory to reflect that, so it'll be present in the source. Can I just include the same file in the binary release? The readme file is here: http://legendofedgar.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/legendofedgar/trunk/doc/readme?revision=910view=markup
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Richard Sweeney wrote: OK, what's the best approach for that? I've updated the readme in the doc directory to reflect that, so it'll be present in the source. Can I just include the same file in the binary release? The readme file is here: http://legendofedgar.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/legendofedgar/trunk/doc/readme?revision=910view=markup It would be much better if you could release things under a more friendly license, how about CC-BY-SA? If not, what are your reasons for that? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
(Apologies if this top posts, sending from my phone) The reason for choosing NC is because I don't want someone selling something I'm giving away for nothing. I take it there's no Debian compatible license that allows me to do this? Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:28:38 +0800 Subject: Re: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game From: p...@debian.org To: rikswee...@hotmail.com CC: debian-de...@lists.debian.org; 653...@bugs.debian.org On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Richard Sweeney wrote: OK, what's the best approach for that? I've updated the readme in the doc directory to reflect that, so it'll be present in the source. Can I just include the same file in the binary release? The readme file is here: http://legendofedgar.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/legendofedgar/trunk/doc/readme?revision=910view=markup It would be much better if you could release things under a more friendly license, how about CC-BY-SA? If not, what are your reasons for that? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 10:00 +, Richard Sweeney wrote: The reason for choosing NC is because I don't want someone selling something I'm giving away for nothing. I take it there's no Debian compatible license that allows me to do this? That would go against items 5 and 6 of the DFSG: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines I find it weird that you would choose the GPL when you do not want people selling your work. The GPL explicitly allows that. PS: I'm not sure if you saw this message since it wasn't CCed to you: http://lists.debian.org/20120125184055.ga19...@angband.pl -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Richard Sweeney wrote: OK, what's the best approach for that? I've updated the readme in the doc directory to reflect that, so it'll be present in the source. Can I just include the same file in the binary release? The readme file is here: http://legendofedgar.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/legendofedgar/trunk/doc/readme?revision=910view=markup I notice you are using Sourceforge, I think your use of CC-BY-NC-SA is a violation of their terms of service, so I suggest that you move off Sourceforge or pick a license that doesn't have that problem. https://geek.net/terms-of-use -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
(Last top post) After some reading, I can probably just leave the assets under the current license. I can simply just change it back since it's currently not released? Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:22:01 +0800 Subject: Re: Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game From: p...@debian.org To: rikswee...@hotmail.com CC: debian-de...@lists.debian.org; 653...@bugs.debian.org On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Richard Sweeney wrote: OK, what's the best approach for that? I've updated the readme in the doc directory to reflect that, so it'll be present in the source. Can I just include the same file in the binary release? The readme file is here: http://legendofedgar.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/legendofedgar/trunk/doc/readme?revision=910view=markup I notice you are using Sourceforge, I think your use of CC-BY-NC-SA is a violation of their terms of service, so I suggest that you move off Sourceforge or pick a license that doesn't have that problem. https://geek.net/terms-of-use -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On 2012-01-26 11:51, Richard Sweeney wrote: After some reading, I can probably just leave the assets under the current license. I can simply just change it back since it's currently not released? If current license is GPL and someone make a fork based on that your license change in the future will not have an impact on the fork. A release has no value when regarding what license the work is available as. There are several articles about the problem with CC NC licenses, exactly what that means is not clear. Make sure to study the field before picking anything based on NC. Pick license and pick it wise. -- brother http://sis.bthstudent.se -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On 2012-01-26 13:06:31 +0100 (+0100), Martin Bagge / brother wrote:
[...]
There are several articles about the problem with CC NC licenses,
exactly what that means is not clear. Make sure to study the field
before picking anything based on NC.
Pick license and pick it wise.
The historic quagmire with DikuMUD's license (and subsequent
inability of derivative software authors to be able to round up all
the original copyright holders for later relicensing) is a great
example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DikuMUD#DikuMUD_license
The project was widely used and a fertile developer community
emerged around it back in the shareware days before proliferation of
more modern Free/Libre OSS licenses. Unfortunately, now, a vast
majority of the MUDsphere inherits that noncommercial license and is
thus legally incompatable with most current free software projects.
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Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
* Package name: edgar Version : 0.94 Upstream Author : Richard Sweeney rikswee...@users.sourceforge.net * URL : http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/p/legend-of-edgar.html * License : GPL2+ Please note that not everything is GPL2+. The music is certainly not, it is in fact not even distributable in non-free since most songs do not have any license information, and some of them even lack copyright notices. Although I believe all graphics has been created from scratch and is in fact covered by the GPL, you should check it out to be sure. With Edgar, you can probably run the game (maybe with minor tweaks) without music. (Stumbled across this today) The code is GPL and the gfx and data is CC BY-NC-SA 3.0. Removing the sound should be quite straightforward. If you do want to add this game to Debian, let me know and I can supply a patch for the latest release (0.97) to allow the game to run without sound. Richard
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 05:49:00PM +, Richard Sweeney wrote: The code is GPL and the gfx and data is CC BY-NC-SA 3.0. This is the first time I've heard a mention of a CC license. There is nothing in the source tarball mentioning a Creative Commons license. If you really mean it to be CC BY-NC-SA 3.0, you have to clearly specify that in the source and binary packages you are distributing. -- Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Guus Sliepen g...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:09:37PM -0500, Joseph Nahmias wrote: * Package name: edgar Version : 0.94 Upstream Author : Richard Sweeney webmas...@parallelrealities.co.uk * URL : http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/p/legend-of-edgar.html * License : GPL2+ Please note that not everything is GPL2+. The music is certainly not, it is in fact not even distributable in non-free since most songs do not have any license information, and some of them even lack copyright notices. Although I believe all graphics has been created from scratch and is in fact covered by the GPL, you should check it out to be sure. With Edgar, you can probably run the game (maybe with minor tweaks) without music. Other games from Parallel Realities have had this problem in the past; Starfighter (music, some graphics), Blobwars 1 (music) and Blobwars 2 (music, textures). -- Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Guus Sliepen g...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joseph Nahmias j...@nahmias.net * Package name: edgar Version : 0.94 Upstream Author : Richard Sweeney webmas...@parallelrealities.co.uk * URL : http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/p/legend-of-edgar.html * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: C Description : The Legend of Edgar platform game The Legend of Edgar is a platform game where the hero must explore a vast world, find items, solve puzzles, defeat powerful enemies, complete mini-quests in order to save his father who has been kidnapped. . Includes support for joystick or joypad and configurable keyboard support. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
