[Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2016-03-06 20:01, Nikita Yerenkov-Scott wrote:
> The output of the first command is:
> 
> ibus-anthy  1.5.6-1
> 
> And of the second:
> 
> CLUTTER_IM_MODULE=xim
> QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
> XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
> QT4_IM_MODULE=xim
> GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus

That looks fine AFAICT. To make sure that the ibus program actually
runs, can you also show us the output of:

ps -A | grep ibus

If it does, it beats me why "Japanese (Anthy)" does not show up as an
input source option (unless "Japanese" actually means "Japanese (Anthy)"
in Ubuntu GNOME, but then it ought to work OTOH... (I'm not using Ubuntu
GNOME myself, so I'm actually referring to what it looks like in Unity.)

> Also, should the title of this bug be changed as I'm not sure it still
> fully reflects on the subject we are talking about...?

We seem to be talking about multiple aspects of IBus in Ubuntu GNOME, so
I changed the title to a more general wording.

** Summary changed:

- "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method 
system
+ ibus/im-config in Ubuntu GNOME

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[Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Nikita Yerenkov-Scott
Also, should the title of this bug be changed as I'm not sure it still
fully reflects on the subject we are talking about...?

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[Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Nikita Yerenkov-Scott
@Gunnar, It was about a week ago that I installed the Japanese language,
so yes, I've done many reboots since... And it's still not working...

The output of the first command is:

ibus-anthy  1.5.6-1

And of the second:

CLUTTER_IM_MODULE=xim
QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
QT4_IM_MODULE=xim
GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus

** Changed in: ubuntu-gnome
   Status: Invalid => New

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[Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2016-03-06 11:50, Nikita Yerenkov-Scott wrote:
> @Gunnar, Yes, I have been told this before, but the only Input
> Source that shows in any of the settings is "Japanese"...

Did you log out or reboot after you had installed the Japanese language
support? If not, please do so.

If that doesn't make Anthy show up among the input sources, can you
please let us know the output from these terminal commands:

dpkg-query -W ibus-anthy

env | grep -E 'XMOD|IM_MODULE'

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[Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2016-03-06 11:08, Alkis Georgopoulos wrote:
> Hi, I've tested the packages from the PPA under Xenial's
> gnome-flashback, and now I got ibus running by default. And it again
> breaks keyboard layout switching with the default Win+Space, so I
> can't type in Greek (LP: #1481025).

Thanks for testing! Bad news, apparently. :(

May I ask: Which display language are you using? If it's something else
but Greek, can you please switch to Greek, log out, log in again, and
then try to type in Greek (with IBus running). Does that make a
difference?

Also, just to make sure: Is your Xenial updated with the latest package
versions?

> Why can't im-config default to ibus in locales that need it, and to
> None in locales that don't need it, as it did in previous Ubuntu
> releases?

Well, it started with bug #1550325, where it was reported that some
applications need IBus to work. Maybe that's true for other flavors but
MATE. Then there is the inconsistency in Ubuntu GNOME, which led to the
confusion resulting in this bug report.

> Apart from the serious problems that it's causing, it's also wasting
> a lot of MB RAM per user,

Nah, I don't think IBus requires a lot of memory. Please note that IBus
is running in Unity and Ubuntu GNOME, whatever the settings are. (Only
some environment variables differ.) I don't know about Gnome Flashback
in this respect.

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[Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Nikita Yerenkov-Scott
@Gunnar, Yes, I have been told this before, but the only Input Source
that shows in any of the settings is "Japanese"...

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[Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
> With those changes, im-config (and gnome-language-selector) will
default to IBus in Ubuntu GNOME.

Hi, I've tested the packages from the PPA under Xenial's gnome-flashback, and 
now I got ibus running by default.
And it again breaks keyboard layout switching with the default Win+Space, so I 
can't type in Greek (LP: #1481025).

Why can't im-config default to ibus in locales that need it, and to None in 
locales that don't need it, as it did in previous Ubuntu releases?
Apart from the serious problems that it's causing, it's also wasting a lot of 
MB RAM per user, which is completely unacceptable for multi-user systems like 
LTSP.

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[Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-05 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
I have uploaded modified versions of im-config and language-selector to
this PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/im-config-gnome

Please feel free to upload and test.

With those changes, im-config (and gnome-language-selector) will default
to IBus in Ubuntu GNOME. I added an exception for Ubuntu GNOME, so it
will not default to fcitx even if a CJKV language is used as the display
language. This seemed to be the most reasonable solution, considering
the limitations of gnome-control-center in this respect.

I also changed pkg_depends so it pulls IBus IM engines for Chinese in
Ubuntu GNOME. (Currently it does not.)

It should be noted that you don't need to install language-selector-
gnome to switch between IM frameworks (IBus, fcitx, etc.). It can be
done from the im-config GUI "Input Method Configuration" or from command
line.

Let me know if you have any objections on the proposed changes.

Personally I think it would make sense to at least try to *allow* the
users to use fcitx, even if g-c-c doesn't support it. Possibly it would
require that the settings of the IM related environment variables in
gnome-session are commented. (im-config sets them anyway as long as IBus
is the selected IM framework.) I added a gnome-session task as a
reminder. ;)

@Nikita: The input source you should use for typing Japanese is
"Japanese (Anthy)" or possibly "Japanese (Mozc)".

** Changed in: im-config (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Medium

** Changed in: im-config (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => In Progress

** Changed in: im-config (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Medium

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => In Progress

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)

** Also affects: gnome-session (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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