RE: //build conference

[Ryan J. Salva]

For those who plan to attend Build, we have several Cordova-related talks you 
may want to attend:

Wed 5:00pm – 6:00pm
Strategies for Developing Cross-Platform Applications with Visual Studio 2015

Thurs 6:30pm – 7:30pm
Getting Started with Cross-Platform Mobile Development with Apache Cordova

Fri 12:30pm – 1:30pm
Getting Great Performance Out of Cordova Apps

Cordova will also make an appearance at several sessions from other teams, 
including some from the Office team who will be talking about using Office 365 
APIs in mobile apps.

Finally, on Thursday between 12:30 – 2:00pm, the Cordova product team is 
organizing a casual meetup in the main cafeteria during lunch. This is really 
just an opportunity for everyone to get together, eat from a buffet, chat about 
Cordova and get to know each other. 

See you there.
rjs

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My team is hiring. 

-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:16 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: //build conference

Hi all,

Shaz and I will be attending the microsoft //build event this week, and I 
thought I would shout out here to see who else is attending? It would be great 
to meet face to face.
Also, we're hosting a meetup[1] in our office tomorrow night, if anyone didn't 
get the word via other social channels. Come by if you can.

[1] http://www.meetup.com/PhoneGap-SF/events/221551303/


@purplecabbage
risingj.com

RE: Also moving to a new team

[Ryan J. Salva]

Thanks for all you've done for the project, Andrew and Michal. I'm sure we'll 
cross paths again sometime soon. In the meantime, I can't wait to see what you 
create with the Physical Web. It looks like a super-cool project. I only expect 
great things :-)

rjs

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My team is hiring. 

-Original Message-
From: agri...@google.com [mailto:agri...@google.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Grieve
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:16 AM
To: dev
Subject: Also moving to a new team

As with Michal, you'll be seeing less of me around. My new full-time project 
will be on the Android port of Chrome.

Just want to make it clear that us moving to new teams has nothing to do with a 
lack of faith in the project, but rather is due to needing a change of scenery 
and exciting new projects becoming available here.

I'm super excited to see a new wave of committers joining the project! The 
momentum has certainly picked up:
- Cordova-android 4.0.0 was huge
- Plugins to npm was huge
- Win10 and wkwebview will be massive launches as well!

Great time for Cordova! (or a bad one... you know... if you're measuring 
against the goal of becoming obsolete :P)

RE: Support needed

[Ryan J. Salva]

Mohamed,

If you check the documentation available for the Camera plugin at 
https://github.com/apache/cordova-plugin-camera#options, you'll find an option 
for cameraDirection.

-
cameraDirection: Choose the camera to use (front- or back-facing). The default 
is BACK. Defined in  navigator.camera.Direction  (Number)

Camera.Direction = {
BACK : 0,  // Use the back-facing camera
FRONT : 1  // Use the front-facing camera
};
-

Hope this helps.
rjs

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From: Mohamed Ali [mailto:mohamed_...@omsme.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:19 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org; dev-ow...@cordova.apache.org
Cc: Samah Seddik
Subject: Support needed

Hello Team,
    I'm developing a crossplatform application using cordova 
(Visual studio hyprid multi device application).
I need to open the camera inside of the application without launching the 
camera application.

Requirements:
1- Back camera should be opened in a frame inside of the page
2- User can capture photos and videos.

I found navigator.getUserMedia that is opening the front camera. Is there any 
way to open the rear camera instead?

Needed platforms:
Android
IPhones

Could you please help?


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RE: Cordova Face to Face meeting

[Ryan J. Salva]

I'm reaching out to the guys at Ionic and Telerik. Masa from Monaca has already 
indicated his desire to attend. 

rjs

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My team is hiring. 

-Original Message-
From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 6:00 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cordova Face to Face meeting

It will be cool if folks that leverage cordova attend to hear what they have to 
say and position on move the web/mobile community forward, folks like Ionic, 
Telerik, React-Native, NPM any others? Can you guys have contacts to reach out, 
I can ping Ionic Slack to see if they are aware of the Meetup

Oh still working on travel approval, now the financial overloads want expense 
budget What should I enter the $ field for the fax? :-)

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:49 PM Carlos Santana csantan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't have travel approval yet, they wanted the specific date first

 - Carlos
 Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 19, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  As Julio says, please share the notes, recordings or comments you 
  guys agree (I envy all the attendees so much, especially Carlos :P)
 
  On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:46 PM Parashuram N 
  panar...@microsoft.com
  wrote:
 
  Awesome, I will get started on the logistics side to book 14 as the
 pivot,
  and see if I can do 13 or 15.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:50 AM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Cordova Face to Face meeting
 
  I have closed the doodle.
 
  Oct, wed 14th has the best availability. Everyone who responded can 
  make it. I suggest we pick that day and combine it with either the 
  13th or
 the
  15th to make this a two day meeting.
 
  Let us know if that works for booking space at Microsoft 
  Parashuram! If so, the rest of us can start booking flights.
 
  On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Parashuram N 
  panar...@microsoft.com
  wrote:
 
  Can we  close this doodle now?
 
  Also, just to be clear, we are not explicitly limiting this to 
  committers
  - anyone interested in the development of the project is welcome.
  However, I am guessing that we will not be talking basics of 
  Cordova, so this may not be a meeting to learn about Cordova or how to 
  use it.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: tommy-carlos williams [mailto:to...@devgeeks.org]
  Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 1:58 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Cordova Face to Face meeting
 
  FOMO!
 
  :(
 
  Enjoy…
 
 
  On 18 August 2015 at 06:57:27, julio cesar sanchez
  (jcesarmob...@gmail.com)
  wrote:
 
  I can't go, too far, too expensive and not much vacation left.
  Take notes and share them with the ones that can't go.
 
  Have fun!
 
  El lunes, 17 de agosto de 2015, Jesse purplecabb...@gmail.com
  escribió:
 
  Done.
 
 
 
  On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Steven Gill 
  stevengil...@gmail.com
  javascript:; wrote:
 
  Last chance to enter availability in doodle for the face to face.
  Doodle:
  https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
  do
  od
  le.com%2f58peh49rqm2tbyhm.data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.c
  om
  %7
  ca44398aab81048792cbd08d2a746a93e%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011
  db
  47 %7c1sdata=bpF1gRGmcSv55a2awYz0AHBjxt47Hz0TaR%2fLXAHZNg0%3d I 
  am closing it tomorrow so we can
  try
  to finalize the dates and book flights.
 
  On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Carlos Santana 
  csantan...@gmail.com
  javascript:; wrote:
 
  I think 2 days is a good idea it will give a chance to have a 
  social
  night
  #jsdrinking
 
  I think I'm the last person to suggest since I'm wrestling with 
  the fax machine here :-) On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:14 PM Carlos 
  Santana csantan...@gmail.com
  javascript:;
  wrote:
 
  Yeah I would preferred more than a day. It would be hard to 
  justify the business trip from North Carolina for a single day
 
  We are looking into sending two folks.
 
  - Carlos
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 7, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Steven Gill 
  stevengil...@gmail.com
  javascript:;
  wrote:
 
  I'd be open to 2 days but 1 could work to.
 
  Maybe something like:
  Day 1: intros, roadmap planning, identify pain points, etc Day 2:
  split into smaller teams and try to solve some of the 
  concerns
  from
  day 1.
 
  On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Parashuram N 
  panar...@microsoft.com
  javascript:;
  wrote:
 
  I am guessing that this would be a one day meeting.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com 
  javascript:;]
  Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 2:25 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org javascript:;
  Subject: Re: Cordova Face to Face meeting
 
  How many days are we planning to meet? I'm writing the 
  travel request
  by
  hand to send the fax :-)
 
 
  On Thu

RE: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates

[Ryan J. Salva]

One more thing... in TACO, we allow users to provide a template that provides 
either (a) the full Cordova project or (b) only the contents of the WWW folder. 
Might we want to implement a similar approach for Cordova? 

rjs

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-Original Message-
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panar...@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:27 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates

+1 to the proposal. 

Is there a structure of a sample template ? Also, the code seems to copy 
everything from npm or the gitURL, though in the proposal you say that dot file 
and hooks/platforms should not be copies. Should we talk about that in the 
proposal too ? 

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:01 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates

Yeah, nothing to add here but +1.

Oh, the only thing I'd add is that I wish there was a way to
*permanently* set a template. I hate the default Cordova template (sorry ;) and 
would love to make the CLI always use my own particular template.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> I love it!
>
>
> rjs
>
> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio Tools 
> for Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:49 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>
> From the Face2Face meeting updating the cordova cli to work with 
> templates sounded like a good feature to add to the CLI
>
> I finally got around to this and created the proposal and got James Dubee 
> from our team to take a stab at implementation.
>
> CLI-Template proposal [1]
>
> [1]:
> https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/proposals/CLI-T
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=emplates.md=01
> %7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c1fefb1300d0b481a4be208d2ea0d6311%7c72
> f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=prJZ7UhtUtgf45v9oYJzMGnQAFM%2
> fEv68VUa8y61MiUs%3d
>
> --Carlos



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RE: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates

[Ryan J. Salva]

I love it!


rjs

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-Original Message-
From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:49 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates

From the Face2Face meeting updating the cordova cli to work with templates 
sounded like a good feature to add to the CLI

I finally got around to this and created the proposal and got James Dubee from 
our team to take a stab at implementation.

CLI-Template proposal [1]

[1]:
https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/proposals/CLI-Templates.md

--Carlos

RE: Cordova website redesign

[Ryan J. Salva]

I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really stands out 
and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I know there's a lot 
of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that reason I wouldn't dream of 
losing our beloved robot. However, the typography is a different story. 

Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your perspective. 
From talking with many of you and other developers at conferences and events 
over the past year, I've heard a repeating theme that Cordova has a 
public-perception problem. A typography update won't change that perception by 
itself, but it will demonstrate that Cordova isn't staying still... that the 
project is evolving, growing and improving.


rjs

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-Original Message-
From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:to...@devgeeks.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign

Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others thought" 
category on this one.  

I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no opinion.  

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we don't 
> need it. 
> I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it. 
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <bra...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry (his 
>> email is included below).
>> 
>> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections were raised.  
>> This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown in picture A 
>> below.  Also, we may replace the background image with the simple gradient 
>> as shown in picture B below.  Please let me know if there are any concerns 
>> replacing this background image.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brad Gashler
>> 
>> 
>> A) New logo only
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> B) New logo and new gradient background
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:b...@ionic.io]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
>> 
>> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the
>> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's still very 
>> much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of confidence, love 
>> it!
>> 
>> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I 
>> put together a version that I thought might support the evolution of 
>> Cordova into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on this 
>> early logo update mockup: regular 
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni
>> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png
>> =01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d
>> 409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=oKVaCThqWbhTgak3efA
>> aM%2f3f1d1wGyqazXPdboZjsAk%3d>
>> / flat
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni
>> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.p
>> ng=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c5
>> 1d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=vyJ80acz9%2bDPk4Y
>> ZuidiCPknjl%2fwOCKN7KMyxem5jJg%3d>
>> 
>> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the little 
>> robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The existing 
>> typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, but can 
>> sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My suggestion is 
>> simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this case, 
>> Brandon Text 
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d>).
>> 
>> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this!
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão < 
>>> frederico.gal...@pontoget.com.br> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks great indeed, nice job!
>>> 
>>> One thing I noticed is that
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%

RE: [DISCUSS] Front Page Wording

[Ryan J. Salva]

I like "mobile apps"


rjs

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-Original Message-
From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 10:50 AM
To: <dev@cordova.apache.org> <dev@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Front Page Wording

neither I would go with what phonegap has in their webpage [1] but then that 
would be plagiarism :-)

I would use just "mobile apps"  no Native no Hybrid

Build mobile apps with HTML, CSS & JS ...

[1]: 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fphonegap.com%2f=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cd0013b9b07be4e3fa90308d2d008f950%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=Uz3Q8%2f9SNLDIFkyNDvoonmRKPzPajuvZP%2bozBZFbVH4%3d


On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 10:42 PM Dmitry Blotsky <dblot...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> This is mostly just a question of curiosity: should we be saying 
> “Native mobile apps” on the front page or “Hybrid mobile apps”? I’ve 
> had some folks ask me which word makes more sense, so I thought I’d forward 
> the inquiry.
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry
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RE: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

[Ryan J. Salva]

The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that 
developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by 
opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short of 
the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality apps 
using any technology under the sun :-)

At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers to 
navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like Jörg's 
proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers need to 
prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to submit 
something that helps other developers build a better app. 

Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:

Must appear in a public store
Must use Cordova
Minimum 4 start rating
Minimum 1,000 downloads
Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering
– Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
– Which plugins are used?
– Which frameworks are used, if any?
– Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
– Something about problems
– Development environment and tools used

Thoughts?
rjs

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-Original Message-
From: Joerg Holz [mailto:h...@hamburg.de] 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

thx for agreeing, but I see things different:

– What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?

– What mean's popular, count of downloads?

Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from the 
other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to say why 
an app is good.


And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping people 
and doing the small, but important, things.

The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova don’t 
know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why a lot of 
questions on SO are unanswered.


Jörg


> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com>:
> 
> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to 
> show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One perception 
> people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that 
> serious applications are written in native languages.
> 
> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> 
> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or would 
> like to try.
> 
> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it 
> would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually be 
> awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, 
> describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <h...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, 
>> nothing more.
>> 
>> 
>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public:
>> 
>> – Are complex apps working well?
>> 
>> – How is an app exactly developed?
>> 
>> 
>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell 
>> details about the app.
>> 
>> 
>> That means:
>> 
>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their 
>> solutions, for example:
>> 
>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
>> 
>> – Which plugins are used?
>> 
>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
>> 
>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
>> 
>> – Something about problems
>> 
>> – Developing enviroment
>> 
>> 
>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, 
>> production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a 
>> second page.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Joerg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them,
>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there
>>> are 24 apps per page.
>>> 
>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature?
&

RE: Introduction

[Ryan J. Salva]

Welcome, Ryan!


rjs

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-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 9:57 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Introduction

Welcome, happy to have more hands. 


> On Oct 19, 2015, at 7:28 AM, Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Welcome!
>> On Oct 19, 2015 6:50 AM, "Fiorini, Ryan" <ryan.fior...@intel.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> My name is Ryan Fiorini and I am a software engineer for Intel on 
>> the Intel XDK project.  My primary duties are on the Windows platform 
>> test application (Intel AppPreview) including Windows Phone and have 
>> been using apache cordova for quite a while now.  I plan on 
>> contributing towards the Windows platform.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Ryan
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Re: Cordova website redesign

[Ryan J. Salva]

Yup. We're on it. Should have an update this week.

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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:53 PM -0700, "Jesse" 
<purplecabb...@gmail.com<mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

These need to be updated as well :
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <dblot...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> The new typeface and a few other minor visual tweaks are up!
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry
>
> > On Oct 12, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Raymond Camden <raymondcam...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > +1 here too.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This sounds more like consensus!
> >> I too am +1 on changing the typeface.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>  Jesse
> >>
> >>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1 on the typeface - I think it does send the “modern-ness” message.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/8/15, 10:39 AM, "Carlos Santana" <csantan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> + 1 on the typeface
> >>>> leave the logo as it is today (3d, gray, etc..)
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:26 AM Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +1
> >>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015 9:15 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well said, and ya updated typeface looks slick. 
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really
> >>>>> stands
> >>>>>>> out and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I
> know
> >>>>>>> there's a lot of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that
> >>>>> reason I
> >>>>>>> wouldn't dream of losing our beloved robot. However, the
> typography is
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>> different story.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your
> >>>>>>> perspective. From talking with many of you and other developers at
> >>>>>>> conferences and events over the past year, I've heard a repeating
> theme
> >>>>>>> that Cordova has a public-perception problem. A typography update
> won't
> >>>>>>> change that perception by itself, but it will demonstrate that
> Cordova
> >>>>>>> isn't staying still... that the project is evolving, growing and
> >>>>>> improving.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> rjs
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
> >>>>>>> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
> >>>>>>> rsa...@microsoft.com
> >>>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>>>> From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:to...@devgeeks.org]
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM
> >>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others
> >>>>>> thought"
> >>>>>>> category on this one.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would also like more discussion unless everyone really ha

Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

[Ryan J. Salva]

Tammo,

Sorry you won't be able to make it. We would have loved to have you here. For 
at least part of the meetup, we'll host an online meeting for others to join 
remotely. Maybe you can join that way? Stay tuned for details. 

rjs

Sent from a mobile device. 

 On Aug 29, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Tammo Schimanski tammo.schiman...@cordova.de 
 wrote:
 
 Hey Tim and thanks for your reply!
 
 I already looked for flights but i think it’s a bit too short now. Flights 
 from here to america are at about 800€ ( approx. 900$) + a cheap Hotel and 
 i’m over 1.000$ which is unfortunately to expensive for me. Being a member of 
 this e-mail list now helps me a lot to understand whats happening in the 
 background.
 
 If there is a small summary from the face 2 face meeting, i would be happy to 
 get that. 
 
 Nice Weekend for you all!
 
 Tammo
 
 
 
 
 Am [DATE] schrieb Tim Barham [ADDRESS]:
 
 Thanks for this info, Tammo - this is all great stuff, and it sounds like 
 the German Cordova community owes you a lot! I have a couple of comments:
 
 1. In the Cordova community (or any Apache community), nobody should 
 consider themselves a small person :). Individual contributions are what 
 Apache projects are all about (or should be). While some of us might have 
 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=microsoft.comdata=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c4f314fdcd9cf4028207008d2b079de75%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1sdata=1fXDJGl53w%2fiT8BiTLN1NeTA6UVbKljY3KsrWEOrPLY%3d
  or 
 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=intel.comdata=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c4f314fdcd9cf4028207008d2b079de75%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1sdata=j6mrQnVDUAEG71wtBh7aXc8JkuDeFqucwH2HPj0uLAA%3d
  or 
 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=adobe.comdata=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c4f314fdcd9cf4028207008d2b079de75%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1sdata=Oq12Zq%2bbpIgcEqaLbyjkEpfT9GFfTbPK7LIU1oHSxpY%3d
  email addresses, in the long run our contributions are no more important 
 than anybody else's (we just have the good fortune of doing it for our day 
 job :) ). 
 
 2. I know this was already mentioned by Julio, but it seems to me you would 
 definitely be welcome at the face 2 face meeting if you felt it might be of 
 benefit. It sounds to me like it would be a great opportunity if you could 
 make it.
 
 Tim
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tammo Schimanski [mailto:tammo.schiman...@cordova.de] 
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 8:17 PM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
 
 Hello to all of you from Germany,
 i never wrote an e-mail to this list before but i want to tell you something 
 about the situation over here.
 
 I started developing applications with Cordova two years ago. It wasn’t easy 
 to understand how Cordova works and how it has to be used. The docs didn’t 
 help me enough so that i had to spend many hours in watching video tutorials 
 on youtube and read many articles about the cordova workflow.
 
 After i developed applications for over a year, i decided to found a german 
 community which helps users who feel like i felt a year ago. At the End of 
 2014 i wrote e-mails to apache, registered domains and invested many hours 
 in research and writing tutorials, blog articles and so on. Down to the 
 present day the main Tutorials (iOS  Android) were viewed over 40.000 
 times. We have about 800 visits a day and are helping all people with their 
 questions inside the board. Stackoverflow is also a great way to help people 
 but not all german developers are able to ask a question in english 
 (although you might thought that they are).
 
 My target ever was to help people who are sitting in front of their 
 computers and thinking „hey… why aren’t you working cordova“ or „why doesn’t 
 it work like expected“? In spring 2015 my colleague and i decided to make 
 all a bit more professional. We weren’t satisfied by the website because all 
 was a bit heavy to find (Tutorials etc.) and it was not state of the art. 
 Again: E-Mails to apache, registered a new domain and now we’re starting a 
 big project under 
 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.cordova.dedata=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1sdata=DWV2Gp%2btg2ekG6MvC1Ra9IMfFh3ceDWQUwjrRFAjaXM%3d
  (first look for you: 
 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.cordova.de%2fdevdata=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1sdata=AX4broDgZmgkyx6ljiVci1OTd%2fMRkZXM7KqK3ECA%2bzc%3d).
  I had to rewrite all tutorials, because its still our aim to make it 
 understandable and clear for everyone! Till now we spent already over 250 
 hours together for the new project - but it is no problem: We love cordova! 
 The Project will start at the end of September this year. Cordova is 

Re: Cordova Face to Face Meeting

[Ryan J. Salva]

Carlos,

We'd be happy to put our heads in the cloud with you ;-)

Maybe we can schedule "breakfast in the cloud room" as an early morning event 
dedicated to these scenarios.

-Ryan

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From: Carlos Santana >
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Cordova Face to Face Meeting
To: >


Invitation is open to anyone that want to discuss the enterprise/cloud
topics, sorry just used Intel and MS as an example, I don't recall if
someone from Intel is attending

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:14 PM Carlos Santana 
>
wrote:

> nevermind, it looks we are going to build the agenda when we get there.
>
> But I have a question. Since I'm traveling there I would like to maximize
> my time, Can we start earlier than 10am? I don't mind getting there at 8am
> Or maybe if someone would like to meet earlier, I would like to talk to
> folks from Intel, MS, about enterprise and cloud services topics that might
> be boring to some :-( but would like to shared ideas, concerns, security,
> authenticity, encryption, point of view on how can we be better downstreams
> or maybe share we are doing in IBM to be more open and flexible with Cordova
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:07 PM Carlos Santana 
> >
> wrote:
>
>> OK I booked my fight and hotel, and no one will guess who decide to come
>> with me.
>>
>> I have topics I want to discuss but I don't care what day or time we
>> discuss. I will put in agenda and feel free to re-arrange
>> I have one item that I don't know if its a topic or not, but it's around
>> cleaning the house, kind of a war room time, I would like to go thru every
>> plugin repo and address every PR, in a boxed time (i.e. ~1 hour)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 6:23 PM Parashuram N 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am creating a Google spreadsheet to start collecting names of folks
>>> who plan to attend the event. Was planning to start doing it closer to Oct
>>> 1 so that people have finalized their travel plans. Will send out a link
>>> for it soon.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Shazron [mailto:shaz...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:23 AM
>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Cordova Face to Face Meeting
>>>
>>> Parash, where is this secret registration to have the chance to win
>>> store vouchers?? :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Parashuram N 
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> > The meeting will take place in Microsoft Main Campus - mostly in
>>> building 33. There are a number of hotels in an around Redmond. You can
>>> even pick hotels in Belleve downtown or Redmond downtown (closer) . There
>>> are Microsoft offices nearby from where you can get a shuttle to where the
>>> meeting happens.
>>> >
>>> > I will also start a registration to get a count of all the folks who
>>> will be coming.
>>> >
>>> > P.S: A pixie told me a secret that people who register have a remote
>>> > chance to get Microsoft company store vouchers :)
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Simon MacDonald [mailto:simon.macdon...@gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:13 AM
>>> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>> > Subject: Re: Cordova Face to Face Meeting
>>> >
>>> > Congratulations Carlos and Edna, I know how difficult that must have
>>> been.
>>> >
>>> > Most Adobians are staying at the Silver Cloud Inn, 2122 152nd 
>>> > Avenue
>>> Northeast, Redmond, WA 98052 which has a 
>>> shuttle to MS.
>>> >
>>> > Also, created #f2f channel on Cordova Slack.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Simon Mac Donald
>>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhi.im%
>>> > 2fsimonmacdonald=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7ca155949ee7d
>>> > 24e940ab908d2c3712e60%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=Vav
>>> > GZuUnGqrYafpSE10AM37V4UYMnHio6iyGApTS1MQ%3d
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Carlos Santana
>>> > >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi finally the Magical Goblins from finance send a telegram.
>>> >> I'm happy to announce that two IBMers got approved to attend, me and
>>> >> Edna
>>> >>
>>> >> So I need more info to book our travel. Where are folks staying
>>> >> what's the address, do we need a car or you guys have Uber?
>>> >>
>>> >> What you all think if I create a #F2F Slack channel to ask more of my
>>> >> stupid questions and kind organize those attending?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:28 PM Parashuram N 
>>> >> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hi,
>>> >> >
>>> >> 

Cordova website redesign

[Ryan J. Salva]

TLDR

-- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign at
http://cordova.apache.org/use-the-force-luke

-- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile
developers. From these conversations, we identified six top level
goals:

1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant to developers
in 2016 (the future!)

2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some rock star-quality apps

3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of tools and
businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova

4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova by adding quick
start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts (e.g.
plugins)

5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility of
public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter)

6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e. branding and
content parity)


 The long read 

Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one.

As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle area
(including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed a long series
of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three months, I’ve
personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has collectively
interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to share a
summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the meantime, I
want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one interview. When
asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one Cordova developer
responded:


“Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove that it’s
the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it over-and-over
again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the same conversation every
time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.” -- Murali,
Cordova Developer


There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of the easier
and more visible ways is through Cordova’s front-door. The Cordova
website has served us well for the last 5+ years, but I believe a
redesign could help us address some pain points in the community. To
put it simply, we have a public perception problem.


“It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few examples of it
being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer


Developers and architects are looking for examples of good development
to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So, we thought it
might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on the home
page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long as it appears in
a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets too long
(and it will), then we’ll randomize display. The same is true for a
list of tools and platforms that build on top of Cordova.


“There are so many layers to cross-platform development, it’s hard to
know how they all fit together. It’s even harder to know if you’re
missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova Developer


By itself, the website redesign won’t address this problem. We need
some good architectural docs that not only illustrate how Cordova
works, but also how it integrates with the larger ecosystem (e.g.
Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding a little more
“hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers achieve success
faster. For example, we provide simple instructions for “Getting
Started” on the home page. And, on the Plugins page, we provide a
quick explanation of plugins’ role in Cordova development.


“It’s not clear where I can go for support.” -- Geoff, Cordova Developer


Okay…  none of us want to provide customer support for the whole
community, but I want to make it easy for people to find the
community. To that end, our goal was to integrate prominent pointers
to all the places where our community aggregates – e.g. Slack,
StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list.

Change for the sake of change is… well, for people with more time on
their hands than me, but this seems like the right time for a change
to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer need and little
risk in making the change.

Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site launched
ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it will be easy
to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please file
them here:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB/component/12320562/

I open the floor to discussion ;-)

http://cordova.apache.org/use-the-force-luke


Thanks!
Ryan J. Salva

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RE: Cordova website redesign

[Ryan J. Salva]

Ben, Wow. I really dig the logo! The new typeface looks pretty sweet with both 
the flat and illustrated robot. It preserves a strong sense of continuity with 
the current logo, but... I dunno. Looks a little more modern. I'd totally be 
down with integrating it into the website redesign. Are there any concerns 
about licensing? Do others like it?

Frederico, we didn't take a close look at pages on the Apache site, but your 
right that this page looks outdated. Fortunately, we can update it separately 
from the Cordova website. https://projects.apache.org/project.html?cordova 

Carlos, where specifically did you want us to add a link? Happy to add it once 
we spot the right location. 
http://cordova.apache.org/use-the-force-luke/docs/en/edge/plugin_ref/spec.html

Steven, we didn't want to add any apps to the showcase until we received 
community feedback, but I totally agree... we need more! We've already added 
NewVo, Pacifica and SworkIt. Are there any others you'd recommend? Help us pick 
the biggest and brightest stars ;-)

Regarding "Sort by Quality" on the plugin page, it's based on the rating from 
http://npmsearch.com/. According to their website, ratings are based on 
multiple metrics including: 

- number of stars 
- number of dependents 
- release frequency 
- existence of tests/readme/etc.. 


@ryanjsalva


-Original Message-
From: Ben Sperry [mailto:b...@ionic.io] 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign

I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the
community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's still very much 
alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of confidence, love it!

I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I put 
together a version that I thought might support the evolution of Cordova into a 
more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on this early logo update 
mockup: regular 
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fionic-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=SGjqowC5GRr%2fx%2bPMAk3eITzgMBeS6cT3sOvlqDDFdP8%3d>
/ flat
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fionic-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.png=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=GZk4OiU91HlxByJPcDu6XwUuAOU9w%2bsSXAsqm90t8iw%3d>

A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the little robot 
logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The existing typeface is 
just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, but can sometimes feel empty 
of any personality or uniqueness. My suggestion is simply to update it to a 
more contemporary, custom typeface (in this case, Brandon Text 
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=jifOSddHhPpgwp030wXSXmlRi2QAQ34qbb6gj5wd%2bmM%3d>).

Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this!

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão < 
frederico.gal...@pontoget.com.br> wrote:

> Looks great indeed, nice job!
>
> One thing I noticed is that
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fproje
> cts.apache.org%2fproject.html%3fcordova=01%7c01%7crsalva%40micros
> oft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd
> 011db47%7c1=G7eQn8swwuEnEFT9q4g4fe8n8DSER5gARGTCPhlgbd0%3d
> seems very outdated.
>
> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>:
>
> > This looks great.
> > Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page?
> >
> >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcordov
> a.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2fsp
> ec.html=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008
> d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=tsQbh8YSD0dTMG
> 9pN4z0HRgWSSldOd7YTdzp2mSVJR8%3d
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <anis.ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care 
> > > of
> this.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you for doing this, the site is great!
> > > > The community will love this.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva <
> ryanjsa...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> >

Re: [NOTICE] David Barth has become a committer

[Ryan J. Salva]

Congratulations and welcome, David!



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To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [NOTICE] David Barth has become a committer

Congrats and welcome David!


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> Hey everyone!
>
> Just wanted to start sending out notices to the dev mailing list when we
> accept a new committer.
>
> David Barth from Canonical has recently been voted in as a committer! He is
> primarily working on cordova-ubuntu.
>
> Congrats!
>
> Cheers,
> -Steve
>

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Re: Cordova implementation of windows desktop

[Ryan J. Salva]

Ajay,

Generally speaking, the aim of Cordova is to enable JavaScript developers to 
build cross-platform mobile applications. Since Windows is one of the few 
platforms to run JavaScript natively, it made sense to use the preferred 
language of the target audience. There are also performance benefits to using 
JavaScript natively in the Windows context. Namely, plugin APIs can directly 
access the WinRT APIs via JavaScript without having bridge the webview. 

I'm a little confused by your statement that customers have wanted to use 
"commercially available UI control product that is available only in C#." Of 
course, it's totally natural to leverage commercially available products, but 
even if the Cordova Windows platform was implemented with a webview in a C# 
container, that wouldn't necessarily allow you to use C# controls since the 
webview occupies 100% of the available screen. In other words, all UI within a 
Cordova app is typically written in JavaScript.  Can you clarify the use case?

Hope this helps.
rjs

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Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
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From: Ajay Chebbi <ajay.che...@in.ibm.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 11:16 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Cordova implementation of windows desktop

Hi,
I am looking for some historical background on the decision on the
implementation stack for Windows (desktop)  . Windows (desktop) is
implemented in WinJS . Was there any reason / implementation hurdle in
implementing it in C#/XAML  (like Windows Phone 8).

I'm increasingly seeing customers getting to a situation where they have a
cordova app - and want to invoke a commercially available UI control
product that is available only in C#.



one is glad to be of service

Ajay Chebbi (अजय छेब्बी)
Sw. Architect/ Sr. Engineer - IBM MobileFirst Platform Foundation

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RE: Introduction

[Ryan J. Salva]

Happy interning, Caryn, and welcome to the Cordova project!



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-Original Message-
From: Caryn Tran [mailto:ct...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 4:17 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Introduction

Hello! My name is Caryn, a UCB senior who is interning with Adobe PhoneGap this 
summer. Greatly looking forward to getting involved with the Cordova/PhoneGap 
community!

RE: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC

[Ryan J. Salva]

If we can get critical mass among other committers, I'd love to head up to 
Vancouver for a few days. Without other Cordova committers attending, I'm not 
sure I could justify attending solo.


-Original Message-
From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:05 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC

Anyone planning on submitting a talk for apachecon?

The folks over at Apache Flex are wondering if we want to partner to create a 
client-side track.

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RE: [DISCUSS] Cordova Style Guide

[Ryan J. Salva]

Rob,

Any contributions you can provide would be most welcome... especially if you 
can help us apply that style guide to existing docs. We're making a big push to 
improve the documentation this year, but it's hard work and often gets 
prioritized below things like bug fixes to the actual framework. 

It all starts with a pull request :-)

rjs

-Original Message-
From: Robert Posener [mailto:rposen...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:45 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Cordova Style Guide

Gerday, Dmitry,
I'm a bit of a documentation pedant.
I have been "monitoring" Cordova development for a few months now, with the 
initial intent of wanting to contribute to improving the documentation (and 
then, perhaps to contributing to the code base).
The thing that has struck me in this time is that there appears to be NO 
documentation style standards.  Yes, the documents you reference go some of the 
way towards what I am looking for but they could be a lot better (eg, is it 
"E.g.,", "eg,", "e.g.,", is it "Cordova" or "cordova", is it "database" or 
"data base", do you put a comma before the "and" in the last of a list of comma 
separated items (eg, is it "a, b, c, and d" or is it "a, b, c and d"), do we 
employ USA-English or UK-English (or both), etc).
Further, it appears that some contributors "pick up" others with their code 
style standard breaches (I have seen "please insert a space here", "please lint 
this", etc), but I rarely see anyone picking up documentation style standards 
beaches.
Without letting my ego get in the way, I'm happy to contribute a suggested list 
of style standards (that I use when developing Android and Windows apps using 
Cordova) as well as acting in a Quality Assurance role with the documentation.
As you probably know, the Cordova documentation is quite regularly critcised 
all over the web.  Rather than be just another one of these criicisers, I'm 
happy "to put my time where my mouth is" and contribute.  I (and others) 
believe we can do a lot better here.  What do you think?

Rob

Regards
*Rob Posener*
0419 012 627

On 27 January 2016 at 11:55, Dmitry Blotsky  wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> I know we used to have a style guide on the wiki, but that seems long 
> dead. I created a JIRA for a new Cordova-wide style guide, covering 
> most of the languages we use (feel free to add others). The JIRA is here:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fissue
> s.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB-10448.=01%7c01%7crsalva%40micro
> soft.com%7cdb95d5df3d7545a54e1008d326bb7ca9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7c
> d011db47%7c1=iBwCcS7cBzD%2fnsj79mTPQCFzWUTUUm%2fkBlSTPmBBBFk%3d
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry
>

RE: [DISCUSS] Cordova Style Guide

[Ryan J. Salva]

Rob,

Your proposal makes total sense and I'd, personally, be happy for you to start 
with a revitalized style guide. 

To encourage frequent updates to the docs, our process to-date has been 
intentionally light-weight. I think one concern among the community will be: if 
there's overhead for documentation changes, will it discourage contributors 
from making updates?

Really, I think what we need is someone to take the reins as a copy editor. We 
are primarily a community of very pragmatic coders. The subtleties of prose all 
too often escape our best intents. Having said that, we have identified 
documentation quality as a major cause of dissatisfaction and prioritized it in 
the roadmap. Perhaps with a style guide and passionate contributor in-place, we 
can collectively improve the process and public-facing documents.

rjs



-Original Message-
From: Robert Posener [mailto:rposen...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:33 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Cordova Style Guide

Gerday again,
Thanks for the quick replies.
I was already aware of the 3 links above (as I said, "I've been watching for a 
while").
I must not have been clear in in my email... So I'll be a little more precise, 
BEFORE any effort is expended on revamping the documentation, we need to agree 
what the documentation style standards are to be.  In my humble opinion, the 
current documentation style standards are insufficient and need a revamp.  If 
we don't do this, we will end up with a mashup of different looking documents 
that look like they have been cobbled together over time by a lot of 
well-meaning amateurs.
The new (agreed IA) is terrific.  The next step is to agree the standards and 
the process for maintaining (reviewing, promulgating, inculcating, making all 
committers aware of, updating existing documents to, revising, etc).
My guess is this means raising a JIRA for this activity.
OK?

Rob

PS I'm in Australia (Sydney) so there may be a time lag between your requests 
and my responses.




Regards
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0419 012 627

On 27 January 2016 at 13:08, Nikhil Khandelwal <nikhi...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Rob,
> I appreciate your enthusiasm. Cordova docs need a lot of improvement. 
> We did a survey in October and 70% of negative comments focused on 
> problems with our docs.
>
> Committers at Microsoft are pushing hard to improve the Cordova docs - 
> but we need a lot of help from the community. We are using a JIRA 
> Kanban board [1] that we are using to track documentation tasks/bugs. 
> This captures all the work referenced in creating a new information 
> architecture for our docs [2].
>
> There are a number of ways to help in this effort:
> - Pick one of the JIRA bug/task to improve the current docs. Start 
> small - any help here would be fantastic!
> - Review doc updates for styling etc. issues. PRs are filed against 
> cordova-docs repo [3].
> - File JIRAs for issues that you find in current docs.
> - Identify high priority topics that are currently missing and need to 
> be added.
> - Help organize document scrubs within the community.
>
> It's critical for a dev platform to have good docs and our goal is to 
> make that happen for Cordova in the upcoming months.
>
> [1]
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fissue
> s.apache.org%2fjira%2fsecure%2fRapidBoard.jspa%3frapidView%3d108%26vie
> w%3ddetail%26selectedIssue%3dCB-10348=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsof
> t.com%7c63966dfb5ac6455d95bc08d326c250db%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd01
> 1db47%7c1=NxXSGuc1unEAwKArfjPW9%2b0o%2fAaj1%2fGDOGNmNJC6fOA%3d
> [2]
> https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/pull/31/files?short_path=b5
> 89504#diff-b589504f1eedbd87c81f38ce873d5d85
> [3] https://github.com/apache/cordova-docs
>
> Thanks,
> Nikhil
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan J. Salva [mailto:rsa...@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:54 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Cordova Style Guide
>
> Rob,
>
> Any contributions you can provide would be most welcome... especially 
> if you can help us apply that style guide to existing docs. We're 
> making a big push to improve the documentation this year, but it's 
> hard work and often gets prioritized below things like bug fixes to the 
> actual framework.
>
> It all starts with a pull request :-)
>
> rjs
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Posener [mailto:rposen...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:45 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Cordova Style Guide
>
> Gerday, Dmitry,
> I'm a bit of a documentation pedant.
> I have been "monitoring" Cordova development for a few months now, 
> with the initial intent of wanting to contribute to improving the 

RE: [DISCUSS] Update to starter template

[Ryan J. Salva]

Check out the default template we use in TACO-CLI.

Index.js is a lot simpler and we adopted the new Cordova typeface. If folks 
like this template, we could issue a PR for it.

rjs


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-Original Message-
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panar...@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:46 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Update to starter template

I do agree that our starter app needs to change. However, we encountered this 
when we were looking at documenting, and our object of concern was the way 
events are bound. My suggestion would be to simply fix the event binding so 
that the docs are less confusing. 

We could then look at re-writing the starter-app itself. 

-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:28 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Update to starter template

Personally, I think we should rewrite/simplify that template ALOT.
The app binding stuff is confusing to users, but not potentially any less 
confusing with PR#15. The use of an object is the issue in my mind.

Also, if this is the starting point for a new developer, they will soon wonder 
why everything they add to the page is UPPERCASE, part of the css, but 
potentially confusing.

Ultimately, I think the whole starting point is over-organized with it's 
multiple folders.  PR#5 is closer to the goal I think, although I would still 
leave js in an external file, and not directly in index.html and I would leave 
quotes on html tag attributes.





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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Will do.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:44 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Update to starter template
>
> LGTM
>
> Could you also add the keyword 'cordova:template' to package.json?
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> > :) Sounds good
> >
> > Anyone else have any objections to the change ?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:51 PM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Update to starter template
> >
> > I'm always in favor of having simple answers and guidelines, and we 
> > can take this as a good convention/practice
> >
> > "Always bind/attach after deviceready even and you will be in a 
> > happy place"
> >
> > But between you and me you know that we can attach before, will 
> > leave that little secret between us :-)
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:44 PM Parashuram N 
> > <panar...@microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The reason to say that all events are fired after device ready is 
> > > just to make it simpler. As you say, events by webviews are indeed 
> > > fired before that, but I think it is safe to say that if we attach 
> > > listeners after deviceready, we are guaranteed to have the plugins 
> > > also initialized. This makes for a more consistent story.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/15/16, 7:25 PM, "Carlos Santana" <csantan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Why do you think that binding is required after "deviceready" ?
> > > >
> > > >Attaching before "deviceready" fires is still supported for 
> > > >events like resume, pause, offline, online, etc.. At least that's 
> > > >always being my impression for a long time
> > > >
> > > >The only thing I would think it could be a potential confusion 
> > > >that would benefit to attached after "deviceready" is that if 
> > > >there is an "online" or "offline" event fire by webview [1], [2] 
> > > >and not plugin those handlers
> > > will
> > > >fire but will not be from the network plugin.
> > > >
> > > >One thing I like thought about the PR is making index.js less 
> > > >verbose and simpler to follow +1
> > > >
> > > >[1]:
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fd
&g

RE: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

[Ryan J. Salva]

Keep in mind that the answers are limited to the technologies that Stack 
Overflow chooses to offer in their list of options. They have an "other" option 
with a text box, but people's answers are largely driven by the checkbox 
options.




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-Original Message-
From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:21 PM
To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com> wrote:

> As I told some of my co-workers today:
>
> If you read the fine print, the actual statistic is “% of developers 
> who are developing with the language or tech but have not expressed 
> interest in continuing to do so.” Clearly, it’s not a good list to be 
> on, but developer behavior also doesn’t reflect their stated intent. 
> NPM Stats show the number of Cordova downloads has actually doubled 
> since the same time last year.
>
> Again, I don’t think this is a good list to appear on… I’m just not 
> sure what to make of it given developer behavior.
>

I'd rather be on that list instead of not be on any list.  I'd be more 
concerned with the fact that we're on the "Losers" section of the trending tech 
with a 7% decrease in the number of questions, which indicate that people 
either have no problems (not very likely) or are just giving up.  I haven't 
been answering questions on Stack for a while, mostly because they're using 
some third party framework like ionic or something else.

I also find it interesting that people are hating on Cordova, and not PhoneGap, 
Ionic, Taco or the other distributions.


>
>
> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for Apache 
> Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:08 PM
> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Never trust people's answers when you ask them what they like! They 
> > are almost always wrong, and will tell you what they think they 
> > like, or think they will seem cooler if they liked.
> >
> >
> +1
>
> It's interesting that CoffeeScript is on this list and that it passed 
> Cordova in most dreaded.  I also wonder what would happen if we went 
> on the WordPress mailing list and talked about how people were so 
> unhappy with WordPress.
>
>
> >
> > > On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:04 AM, julio cesar sanchez 
> > > <jcesarmob...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 2016 survey is out
> > >
> > > Most Dreaded technologies:
> > >
> > > Visual Basic79.5%
> > > WordPress  74.3%
> > > Matlab 72.8%
> > > Sharepoint  72.1%
> > > CoffeeScript71.0%
> > > LAMP  68.7%
> > > Cordova  66.9%
> > > Salesforce   65.4%
> > > Other   61.5%
> > > Perl 61.3%
> > > SQL Server & SQL 60.3%
> > > Objective-C 60.2%
> > >
> > >
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fsta
> > ck 
> > overflow.com%2fresearch%2fdeveloper-survey-2016%23technology-most-lo
> > ve
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> > 95 
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> >
> >
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RE: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

[Ryan J. Salva]

As I told some of my co-workers today:

If you read the fine print, the actual statistic is “% of developers who are 
developing with the language or tech but have not expressed interest in 
continuing to do so.” Clearly, it’s not a good list to be on, but developer 
behavior also doesn’t reflect their stated intent. NPM Stats show the number of 
Cordova downloads has actually doubled since the same time last year. 

Again, I don’t think this is a good list to appear on… I’m just not sure what 
to make of it given developer behavior.


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-Original Message-
From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:08 PM
To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Never trust people's answers when you ask them what they like! They 
> are almost always wrong, and will tell you what they think they like, 
> or think they will seem cooler if they liked.
>
>
+1

It's interesting that CoffeeScript is on this list and that it passed Cordova 
in most dreaded.  I also wonder what would happen if we went on the WordPress 
mailing list and talked about how people were so unhappy with WordPress.


>
> > On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:04 AM, julio cesar sanchez 
> > <jcesarmob...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 2016 survey is out
> >
> > Most Dreaded technologies:
> >
> > Visual Basic79.5%
> > WordPress  74.3%
> > Matlab 72.8%
> > Sharepoint  72.1%
> > CoffeeScript71.0%
> > LAMP  68.7%
> > Cordova  66.9%
> > Salesforce   65.4%
> > Other   61.5%
> > Perl 61.3%
> > SQL Server & SQL 60.3%
> > Objective-C 60.2%
> >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fstack
> overflow.com%2fresearch%2fdeveloper-survey-2016%23technology-most-love
> d-dreaded-and-wanted=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c342aabb95
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Re: Inclusion of Evothings Studio on https://cordova.apache.org/

[Ryan J. Salva]

+1

Sent via 




On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 1:52 PM -0700, "Parashuram N" 
> wrote:

+1 – let us add the tool

On 3/31/16, 4:20 AM, "Carlos Santana"  wrote:

>I checked the website and I think it's a good tool to add, Cordova Devs
>will be happy to learn and start playing with IoT
>On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:33 PM Shazron  wrote:
>
>> I don't have opposition to it being in Tools if there is consensus.
>> For randomization, right now it's all static and that's easy, but now
>> we have to introduce *JavaScript* into the mix :^O
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Parashuram N 
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks Mikael for the information. Others on the list, with this
>> information, do we think that we should include this in our listing. While
>> I do understand that we have a max limit and would not want the home page
>> to be a place where we list a million tools, an option could be to separate
>> tools from frameworks, and list tools as they come in. My guess is that
>> there are not many tools. If there are, could we look at randomizing the
>> tools and displaying only enough so as to not mess up the asthetics of the
>> page ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/30/16, 1:51 AM, "Mikael Kindborg" 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Hi,
>> >>
>> >>Evothings is a tool that speeds up the development of Cordova apps, and
>> >>provides plugins and libraries for IoT-functionality, notably Bluetooth
>> Low
>> >>Energy (BLE).
>> >>
>> >>Evothings Workbench is a tool you run on your computer. Code files can be
>> >>edited in any editor and when a file is updated the current app is
>> reloaded
>> >>on connected mobile devices. There are also debugging tools for
>> evaluating
>> >>code and logging data from connected phones.
>> >>
>> >>Evothings Viewer is a Cordova app that connects to the Workbench. It it
>> >>used to run and live-reload apps. The Viewer comes preconfigured with a
>> >>bunch of Cordova plugins (e.g. BLE). You can also build your custom
>> Viewer
>> >>and add your own plugins. The Viewer and related plugins are all open
>> >>source.
>> >>
>> >>There is also support for connecting to the Workbench from any web
>> browser
>> >>or web view, that is, any Cordova app. You don't have to use the Viewer.
>> >>The documentation for how to do this is currently being updated.
>> Basically
>> >>you just connect using this URL:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fdeploy.evothings.com%2fconnect%2fCONNECT_KEY=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c88a1c4c02aa048583f3e08d358788ff5%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=iglzYysd7Eykhicg1TrwPdzTG3oRXmkeU2iEkjUoNOM%3d
>> >>
>> >>CONNECT_KEY is an 8 character code you get in the Workbench.
>> >>
>> >>Here is the documentation page specifically related to Cordova:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fevothings.com%2fdoc%2fstarter-guides%2fcordova-starter-guide.html=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c88a1c4c02aa048583f3e08d358788ff5%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=u02xtdYUQU41nyiVOaJAF85GHlJEYPTBUpfMp9wCnIA%3d
>> >>
>> >>The file structure for an Evothings app is fully compatible with Cordova.
>> >>You can also take any Cordova app basically, and drag it into Evothings
>> >>Workbench and use live reload and debugging tools.
>> >>
>> >>To deploy an app built using Evothings Studio, you just build it with
>> >>Cordova, using the Cordova CLI. To help people building their native
>> apps,
>> >>we have documented how to install and use Cordova on the Evothings
>> >>documentation web site.
>> >>
>> >>Hope this summary helps!
>> >>
>> >>It is a good idea to clarify how Cordova is used in Evothings Studio in
>> the
>> >>pull request, will do this if the pull request is accepted.
>> >>
>> >>Any feedback you have on Evothings Studio is most welcome!
>> >>
>> >>Best regards, Mikael
>> >>
>> >>PS. Just to be clear, I work at Evothings and designed and implemented
>> the
>> >>live reload system used in Evothings Studio along with many parts of the
>> >>Workbench and the Viewer app.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On 30 March 2016 at 00:09, Parashuram N  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hey,
>> >>>
>> >>> While the discussion on including additional tools is still happening
>> on
>> >>> the mailing list, I had a quick question about the Evothings Studio. I
>> was
>> >>> looking at the website and it was not clear if the tool is based on
>> >>> Cordova/Phonegap.
>> >>> Is Evothiongs based on Cordova and are the device APIs based on Apache
>> >>> Cordova ?
>> >>>
>> >>> The purpose of the tooling showcase is to show off the various Cordova
>> >>> development tools, and it would be helpful if you could also tell us
>> how
>> >>> Cordova is used. Maybe we should add that as a part of the description
>> in
>> >>> the pull request ?
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: 

RE: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC

[Ryan J. Salva]

Frankly, the Microsoft committers team would not be able to attend in the same 
numbers compared to last year due to budget constraints. Nevertheless, I'm sure 
we could send 1-2 people.

rjs

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-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 2:53 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC

Depending on timing I could.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We have a room in SF we could book, if need be.  Do other 
> teams/committers have budget for travel?
>
>

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RE: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC

[Ryan J. Salva]

Is there still an Adobe office in Vancover?


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-Original Message-
From: Shazron [mailto:shaz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 1:51 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC

Also, I would recommend an autumn date, where (presumably) everybody will be 
available. Preferably at one of our contributor sites that hasn't hosted before?

We've had Google (Waterloo, ON) and Microsoft (Redmond, WA) previously.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Vancouver would be awesome! Just not as soon as ApacheCon.
>
>
> @purplecabbage
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com=01
> %7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cbb0edb0b618e454eb92008d367b213f1%7c72
> f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=rS4UBTFrNoY%2bRtI3xRmMzmLSAiR
> ksEdFDsbhWSh%2ftYk%3d
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Regrettably, Microsoft won't be attending ApacheCon this year either.
> > Without critical mass from the other Cordova contributors, it simply 
> > doesn't make sense (as much as I'd love to visit Vancouver).
> >
> > Does anyone have a recommended destination, host or occasion for the
> F2F?
> >
> > rjs
> >
> >
> > Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for 
> > Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com
> > 425 706 5270 office
> > 206 612 5079 mobile
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:47 PM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC
> >
> > No one from IBM MobileFirst going we don't have travel budget :-(
> >
> > A Cordova Face 2 Face might be useful and there might be a better 
> > chance to get approval than Apache Con, also we stop doing the 
> > Monthly Hangouts
> I
> > think they we're useful and community builder.
> >
> > - Carlos
> > @csantanapr
> >
> > > On Apr 15, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Simon MacDonald <
> simon.macdon...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I decided not to go as ApacheCon is sandwiched between two other 
> > > trips I need to make in May.
> > >
> > > That being said it would be nice to get another Cordova Face 2 
> > > Face sometime in the next few months.
> > >
> > > Simon Mac Donald
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhi
> > > .im%
> > > 2fsimonmacdonald=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c8e6fb728c
> > > 7b34 
> > > 8a9bc9908d365776f95%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=W
> > > oSAD 1sazA7ZjJBS8Xp8GznZi4nfnvua8peua88n3xA%3d
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Steven Gill 
> > >> <stevengil...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hey Tony,
> > >>
> > >> Due to the lack of committer response and the upcoming PGDAY EU 
> > >> event, I ended up not submitting a talk. I don't believe anyone 
> > >> from the Adobe Cordova team is going.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Homer, Tony 
> > >>> <tony.ho...@intel.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I haven't seen any discussion about this lately - is anyone going?
> > >>> I think I'm going to go and I need to book my travel today.
> > >>>
> > >>> I was in Austin at the same time as ApacheCon and dropped in to 
> > >>> meet up with some of you but I wasn't an attendee.
> > >>> How is the conference itself?
> > >>>
> > >>> This year there is one Cordova session on the schedule (Advanced 
> > >>> Apache Cordova - Hazem Saleh, IBM[1]).
> > >>> It would be nice to meet up again this year.
> > >>>
> > >>> [1]
> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fa
> > >> pach 
> > >> econ2016.sched.org%2fevent%2f6OIr%2fadvanced-apache-cordova-hazem
> > >> -sal
> > >> eh-ibm=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c8e6fb728c7b348a9bc
> > >> 9908 
> > >> d365776f95%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=TINIM%2bb
> > >> V3Ut nD7vaivuEaOsOVXuyODWREz0D8rwL1Xg%3d
> > >&g

RE: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC

[Ryan J. Salva]

Regrettably, Microsoft won't be attending ApacheCon this year either. Without 
critical mass from the other Cordova contributors, it simply doesn't make sense 
(as much as I'd love to visit Vancouver).

Does anyone have a recommended destination, host or occasion for the  F2F?

rjs


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-Original Message-
From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:47 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC

No one from IBM MobileFirst going we don't have travel budget :-(

A Cordova Face 2 Face might be useful and there might be a better chance to get 
approval than Apache Con, also we stop doing the Monthly Hangouts I think they 
we're useful and community builder. 

- Carlos
@csantanapr

> On Apr 15, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Simon MacDonald <simon.macdon...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I decided not to go as ApacheCon is sandwiched between two other trips 
> I need to make in May.
> 
> That being said it would be nice to get another Cordova Face 2 Face 
> sometime in the next few months.
> 
> Simon Mac Donald
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhi.im%
> 2fsimonmacdonald=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c8e6fb728c7b34
> 8a9bc9908d365776f95%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=WoSAD
> 1sazA7ZjJBS8Xp8GznZi4nfnvua8peua88n3xA%3d
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Tony,
>> 
>> Due to the lack of committer response and the upcoming PGDAY EU 
>> event, I ended up not submitting a talk. I don't believe anyone from 
>> the Adobe Cordova team is going.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Homer, Tony <tony.ho...@intel.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven't seen any discussion about this lately - is anyone going?
>>> I think I'm going to go and I need to book my travel today.
>>> 
>>> I was in Austin at the same time as ApacheCon and dropped in to meet 
>>> up with some of you but I wasn't an attendee.
>>> How is the conference itself?
>>> 
>>> This year there is one Cordova session on the schedule (Advanced 
>>> Apache Cordova - Hazem Saleh, IBM[1]).
>>> It would be nice to meet up again this year.
>>> 
>>> [1]
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fapach
>> econ2016.sched.org%2fevent%2f6OIr%2fadvanced-apache-cordova-hazem-sal
>> eh-ibm=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c8e6fb728c7b348a9bc9908
>> d365776f95%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=TINIM%2bbV3Ut
>> nD7vaivuEaOsOVXuyODWREz0D8rwL1Xg%3d
>>> 
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 1/20/16, 1:48 AM, "Simon MacDonald" <simon.macdon...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yup, that was exactly what I was thinking. Check in see if we've 
>>>> made progress on what we talked about last time.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Simon Mac Donald
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhi.
>>>> im%2fsimonmacdonald=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c8e6fb72
>>>> 8c7b348a9bc9908d365776f95%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1
>>>> ata=WoSAD1sazA7ZjJBS8Xp8GznZi4nfnvua8peua88n3xA%3d
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Parashuram N 
>>>> <panar...@microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Like another Cordova Face to Face ? It would be almost 6 months 
>>>>> since
>> we
>>>>> had the last one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Simon MacDonald [mailto:simon.macdon...@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:02 PM
>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Apache Con NA May 11-13 in Vancouver, BC
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would be interested in going as well. Might be an easier sell if 
>>>>> we could schedule a Cordova check up around the same time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhi.im
>> %2fsimonmacdonald=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c2adb8eb8a
>> cd348e2632108d3213dc71f%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=
>> OSg6OMGtiPCppvOA4TuM5hv%2fjkfa8mqcyk1WqT8VSn4%3d
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Anis KADRI <anis.ka...@

Re: [NODE] Can we drop node 0.x support?

[Ryan J. Salva]

+1

Sent via 


From: Jesse 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:13:15 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [NODE] Can we drop node 0.x support?

+1
Please!

> On Aug 12, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Shazron  wrote:
>
> cordova-lib engine says we still do support 0.x:
> https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/blob/2a178662acfad9c779114fddd815e484fc1b6f1d/cordova-lib/package.json#L16
>
> Can we drop support? Seems time.
>
> See: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2ftwitter.com%2ffeross%2fstatus%2f763548182416494593=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c0d71e3ac7e394eafe1a708d3c317b7a1%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=e2FEnrcM5vBSK6GgL5G8eNsZMG1o8SWR%2fmTAuGRbVgk%3d
> "Node v0.10 will be completely UNSUPPORTED in just 50 days. No security
> fixes."

RE: Hi!

[Ryan J. Salva]

Welcome, Audrey!



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-Original Message-
From: Audrey So [mailto:a...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 3:13 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Hi!

Hi! Just wanted to send an introductory e-mail! My name is Audrey and I’m the 
fall intern here in San Francisco – I’m very happy to learn from and work with 
the Cordova team! Feel free to message me!

Best,
Audrey

RE: Intro - Sterling Gerritz

[Ryan J. Salva]

Welcome, Sterling!



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-Original Message-
From: Sterling Gerritz [mailto:sterling...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:09 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Intro - Sterling Gerritz

Hello Fellow Developers!

My name is Sterling, I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself.
I recently started as an intern on the Phone-Gap team at Adobe .  If you have 
any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to me, my email 
address is sterling...@gmail.com  I am looking forward to collaborating with 
all of you to make Cordova the best that it can be!

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RE: Brief introduction Octavio Bokel

[Ryan J. Salva]

Hi, Octavio and thanks for the bug fix!



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-Original Message-
From: Dobra9 (Octavio) [mailto:dob...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:05 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Brief introduction Octavio Bokel

Hello.

Just want to introduce myself.

I am Octavio Bokel, and reticently fixed a bug in cordova-plugin-camera plugin 
for Android. I am CEO at Woopter 
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 and this bug as direct affection our app.

Since I tested and believe that it might help the community, I want to be able 
to do a pull request. After that, I want to continue contributing. I always 
liked the open source community philosophy.

I could not subscribe to MarkMail yet since it is offline, I will do it soon.

Thanks for your attention.

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Re: Nomination for a new chair for Apache Cordova

[Ryan J. Salva]

+1 thank you shazron for all your work over the years. You’ve been an amazing 
steward, advocate and developer on the project. You should be proud.

Jesse will always have my support.

@ryanjsalva on github, linkedin, twitter, etc.
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From: Bryan Ellis 
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 6:25 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Nomination for a new chair for Apache Cordova

+1

Thank you for all your hard work in running the Cordova project these past 4.5 
years.
I am glad to support Jesse MacFadyen as the next chair.
Looking forward to continuing working with you.

Bryan


> On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:30, Shazron  wrote:
>
> Hello beloved Community!
> I have been the chair of Apache Cordova since around April 2014 (~4.5 years).
>
> The duties are mostly administrative: board reports, PMC management
> etc. Some of it is listed here in the README:
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fcordova-apache-board-reportsdata=02%7C01%7Crsalva%40microsoft.com%7C16a8ab3e2d67424946bc08d65cb47983%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636798327535115878sdata=h1F0zIq%2BemfIXPOoaqiKZyglqkDQlz2PbRYh13%2FQovU%3Dreserved=0
>
> I think it is time for new leadership. I have decided to resign my
> duties as the Apache Cordova chair, hopefully for the upcoming new
> year of 2019.
>
> I nominate Jesse MacFadyen as the next chair. Jesse has been with me
> at the start when Cordova was PhoneGap. Although we didn't give birth
> to it, we helped work on improving Cordova from being an infant to
> adulthood (together with our great team), particularly on cordova-ios.
> 10 years is adulthood in software!
>
> He has also contributed greatly to the other platforms and tooling,
> particularly cordova-windows. He has the most experience with helping
> run the Cordova project out of the remaining active contributors.
>
> As an Apache Member 
> (https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmembers.htmldata=02%7C01%7Crsalva%40microsoft.com%7C16a8ab3e2d67424946bc08d65cb47983%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636798327535115878sdata=IvFcAUxjRiTr%2BMSI06TjvyEhFeF1MuSnvHNfwJ%2Bkc8Q%3Dreserved=0)
> he also understands and helps uphold 'The Apache Way'
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>  and will be a
> great liaison with the Board.
>
> I'm not going anywhere and I will still contribute to the project in
> my areas of expertise.
>
> Thank you.
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