Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
On Sunday 13 January 2008 08:15:45 pm John Becker, WØJAB wrote: > The "anti-automatic" and "anti-everything-that-is-not-PSK31" > hams have a very hard time understanding what the rest are doing. Some of us are just ant-Bully In The Neighborhood. You simply refuse to recognize that some modes are a bully on the bands. I'm sure you have rationalized your choice, but that won't change the perception.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
Comments in line >Your problem, John, is that you are unable to stick to an argument of >the issues. Instead, everything becomes personal with you as evidenced >by the above ad hominem remarks. Disappointing. Wrong again Roger. I do pactor as well as RTTY and Amtor. I can copy each of them modes unlike many that just complain. >As to how I knew it was a Winlink station and not you, very simple. 1) >I doubt that you do Pactor keyboard QSOs more than once in a blue moon >(no one does); Again wrong. > 2) under the circumstances of the interference, I simply >refuse to believe that ANY live operator, including you, would have >operated in such a flagrantly inconsiderate manner. Maybe the poor guy just did not hear you. As you may know it's very hard to ask in every mode known if the frequency is busy. But I feel that you just have this hate for the wide modes. The "anti-automatic" and "anti-everything-that-is-not-PSK31" hams have a very hard time understanding what the rest are doing. Number one reason - because they CAN'T copy it with their sound card.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
John Becker, WØJAB wrote: > > At 08:14 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote: > > Twice in the last seven days I have had QSOs disrupted by a Pactor > > Winlink station firing up on top of my QSO. Fortunately, both times > > I turned the power way up (from about 40 watts to 200 watts) and we > > were able to work through it. > > Roger - how do you know it's WinLink stations and not me and K0ABC in > a keyboard to keyboard QSO? > > I know you have had a anit-wide rant for a long long time. But it's > really be showing more and more in the last 2 weeks. Your problem, John, is that you are unable to stick to an argument of the issues. Instead, everything becomes personal with you as evidenced by the above ad hominem remarks. Disappointing. As to how I knew it was a Winlink station and not you, very simple. 1) I doubt that you do Pactor keyboard QSOs more than once in a blue moon (no one does); 2) under the circumstances of the interference, I simply refuse to believe that ANY live operator, including you, would have operated in such a flagrantly inconsiderate manner. I sure hope that this helped your thinking, John. de Roger W6VZV
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
At 08:14 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote: > Twice in the last seven days >I have had QSOs disrupted by a Pactor Winlink station firing up on top >of my QSO. Fortunately, both times I turned the power way up (from >about 40 watts to 200 watts) and we were able to work through it. Roger - how do you know it's WinLink stations and not me and K0ABC in a keyboard to keyboard QSO? I know you have had a anit-wide rant for a long long time. But it's really be showing more and more in the last 2 weeks.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
At 08:05 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote: >This is getting ridiculous! It takes me nearly 10 seconds to say >"This is AA5J Is the frequency in use?" In what mode?
[digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
> Bill N9DSJ wrote: > Hello Bonnie, > Thanks for the reply. > It just seemed pretty convoluted; and, at best, nebulous. > To be honest I have never heard anyone complain about > soundings, but I may miss a lot. Compared to some > best-not-be-mentioned systems, ALE operations have not > shown up on my qrm map. Hi Bill, There haven't been any problems with ALE interference involving organized ALE nets in the past 7 years. That is a pretty good record for any net or mode in ham radio :) The recent "war" as Andy puts it, is not really a war, but simply a tiny one-sided personal vendetta by a few misguided or disgruntled individuals who are trying to attack me personally. They have their reasons. One of them is mad at me for leading the opposition against the Digital Stone Age Petition... the other is lashing out because his posting privileges were suspended on HFLINK for being a bad boy :) The rumors of "RTTY contesters" being in a war against ALE are totally untrue... and there is no interest or concern about this by HFLINK members or others. 73 Bonnie KQ6XA
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war
> All the ALE data activity is in the automatic subbands unless the > stations manually QSY off frequency under operator control. > > So what's the concern? As long as it always stays in the automatic subbands, there should be no concern. In fact, ALE is a valuable resource, IMHO. Skip KH6TY Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war
Skip wrote: > > except in designated beacon areas or the > > automatic subbands ( where it is presumed by the FCC to occur, since > > unattended stations do not, and cannot, listen first for any other > activity > > within range of the unattended station). All the ALE data activity is in the automatic subbands unless the stations manually QSY off frequency under operator control. So what's the concern? Have fun, Alan km4ba Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
Exactly... they *just* don't get it Bill KA8VIT > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:22:37 -0500 > Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink > > Look at it this way - NO transmissions without listening first, either ALE > soundings, beacons, or mailboxes of any kind, are permissible on the > *shared* HF amateur bands, except in designated beacon areas or the > automatic subbands ( where it is presumed by the FCC to occur, since > unattended stations do not, and cannot, listen first for any other activity > within range of the unattended station). > > It does not matter how short a time the unattended interference signal is on > either. If it disrupts a QSO, it is *too long*. > > Skip KH6TY > > > > > Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at > http://www.obriensweb.com/sked > > > DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > _ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
expeditionradio wrote: > > This is simply childish backlash directed at me personally because I > opposed the Digital Stone Age Petition. It really has nothing at all > to do with HFLINK or ALE. It will go away. > > Bonnie KQ6XA Actually, what is childish is the never-ending assertion by Winlink advocates that they can and should be allowed to operate in a fashion involving transmitting without listening. Twice in the last seven days I have had QSOs disrupted by a Pactor Winlink station firing up on top of my QSO. Fortunately, both times I turned the power way up (from about 40 watts to 200 watts) and we were able to work through it. (QRO can come in handy when it comes to Pactor.) But the Pactor station's actions were as illegal as heck. This sort of thing needs to be put down by the FCC and I trust that it will be. As boaters and RVers get Wi Fi access to the internet more and more, Pactor will die out. As it should. de Roger W6VZV
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
This is getting ridiculous! It takes me nearly 10 seconds to say "This is AA5J Is the frequency in use?"
[digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
Look at it this way - NO transmissions without listening first, either ALE soundings, beacons, or mailboxes of any kind, are permissible on the *shared* HF amateur bands, except in designated beacon areas or the automatic subbands ( where it is presumed by the FCC to occur, since unattended stations do not, and cannot, listen first for any other activity within range of the unattended station). It does not matter how short a time the unattended interference signal is on either. If it disrupts a QSO, it is *too long*. Skip KH6TY Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
Hello Bonnie, Thanks for the reply. It just seemed pretty convoluted; and, at best, nebulous. To be honest I have never heard anyone complain about soundings, but I may miss a lot. Compared to some best-not-be-mentioned systems, ALE operations have not shown up on my qrm map. 73, Bill N9DSJ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Bill McLaughlin" wrote: > > > > Hard to discern what is actually happening; seems like a tempest in a > > teapot. > > > > 73, > > > > Bill N9DSJ > > Hi Bill, > > This is simply childish backlash directed at me personally because I > opposed the Digital Stone Age Petition. It really has nothing at all > to do with HFLINK or ALE. It will go away. > > Bonnie KQ6XA >
[digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
Or "This Was" :) --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia \(Elaine\) Gibbons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That's the way I look at it, Bill ... > > > > A sounding message is simply the station's callsign as the ALE ID, > and soundings are only done if the station has an operator present, > otherwise, the unattended stations are simply scanning the channels > on the HFlink netplan, and only respond if called by another station.. > > As far as the sounding messages, they are no different than coming > up on the air in any other mode and saying " .. This is wa6ube..." ..
[digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Bill McLaughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hard to discern what is actually happening; seems like a tempest in a > teapot. > > 73, > > Bill N9DSJ Hi Bill, This is simply childish backlash directed at me personally because I opposed the Digital Stone Age Petition. It really has nothing at all to do with HFLINK or ALE. It will go away. Bonnie KQ6XA
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
That's the way I look at it, Bill ... A sounding message is simply the station's callsign as the ALE ID, and soundings are only done if the station has an operator present, otherwise, the unattended stations are simply scanning the channels on the HFlink netplan, and only respond if called by another station.. As far as the sounding messages, they are no different than coming up on the air in any other mode and saying " .. This is wa6ube..." .. As Rodney King would say ... " Why can't we all just get along !!" ... Elaine -- Patricia (Elaine) Gibbons WA6UBE / AAR9JA http://www.qrz.com/wa6ube _ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill McLaughlin Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:42 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink Hard to discern what is actually happening; seems like a tempest in a teapot. 73, Bill N9DSJ . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=1871183/grpspId=1705063108/msgId =25901/stime=1200184947/nc1=4025373/nc2=5045819/nc3=5028927>
[digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
Hard to discern what is actually happening; seems like a tempest in a teapot. 73, Bill N9DSJ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After Tony Blair has solved the Israel-Palestine issue, he may be > needed to address those old fashioned RTTY folks who appear to be > preparing IED's for Bonnie. > > (for trouble at mill reference, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDVIViWW74 ) > Andy K3UK > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: George Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Jan 12, 2008 3:57 PM > Subject: Re: [RTTY] Bonnie > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > So far, according to the moderator of the IllinoisDigitalHam group, > who is also a member of the HFLINK forum, there has been nothing said > on the HFLINK group about the fact that their favorite mode is facing > FCC scrutiny... Bonnie is probably waiting for a Commission decision, > so she doesn't have to admit up front the possibility that she may be > wrong about something. I just sent Riley another message where I > picked apart her totally ridiculous claims about what ALE soundings > are and how they supposedly comply (they don't) with Part 97. If > there's sufficient interest, I will cross-post it, but we're straying > pretty far from RTTY talk. > > Oh, in the "a rose by any other name" category, over on the > hflink.net/qso page, Bonnie has re-labeled the soundings in the ALE > Activity Now log from "Station ID" to "Communication," as if changing > the label somehow makes them legal. > > I will keep everyone posted on the outcome of all this. And I'm sure > it'll make the ARRL letter when the decision comes down. > > George, KA3HSW > > - Original Message - > From: Anthony W. DePrato > To: George Henry > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: [RTTY] Bonnie > > > would be nice if someone would copy what is going on to this ref > for us hi... > > 73 Tony > > > > > I'd love to know what she's saying about me over on the Yahoo HFLINK group, > but you have to be a member to read messages, and there's NO way she'd ever > approve me for a membership now! > > > QBE ZUT DE WA4JQS > > ___ > RTTY mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty > > > > -- > Andy K3UK > www.obriensweb.com > (QSL via N2RJ) >
