Argentina Safety Requirements
Here is some additional information about INTI. Internet http://www.inti.gov.ar http://www.inti.gov.ar E-mail pr...@inti.gov.ar mailto:pr...@inti.gov.ar The site is in Spanish; however, you can use the online translator at http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/ http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/ . Just copy the URL above and paste it into translator. The translation is not the best, but at least you can get some basic understanding. Good luck. Richard Woods - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Finding Directives
Richard According to the EUR-LEX listing of the Directives and decisions, this documnet was published in OJ L 050 of 20.02.97 p.28, You can get copies of the OJ from various places including the UK Stationary Office - or you could even try the Technical Help to Exporters section of BSI. Regards John Allen -- From: wo...@sensormatic.com[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 09 November 1999 16:59 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Finding Directives I am attempting to locate 97/129/EC (ID system for packaging materials). I found it at EUR-LEX, but the tables in the annexes are missing. Are the directives published elsewhere? Richard Woods - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Finding Directives
I have used the EUDOR site to download TIFF image files of OJ's I want on several occasions in recent months. These are scanned images of the original journal pages so they have the full text including any tables and figures. If one so chooses (and has the software) the files can then be imported directly into Acrobat and captured to make word-searchable files. Cost seems quite reasonable too - minimum download charge is 6 Euros, and for that you get about twenty pages (of your choice). Further pages costs about half a Euro ea. Payment is on-line by credit card. My only gripe is that the way one gets from the payment page to the page where one can actually download the files is a bit obscure - the hot tip is to make sure you keep a note of the session number as soon as it is given to you at the pay stage. The site address is http://www.eudor.com:8444/EUDOR/PROC/orientation?LANGUAGE=english If only obtaining copies of standards was as easy :-( Nick. At 8:27 + 10/11/99, John Allen wrote: Richard According to the EUR-LEX listing of the Directives and decisions, this documnet was published in OJ L 050 of 20.02.97 p.28, You can get copies of the OJ from various places including the UK Stationary Office - or you could even try the Technical Help to Exporters section of BSI. Regards John Allen -- From: wo...@sensormatic.com[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 09 November 1999 16:59 To:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Finding Directives I am attempting to locate 97/129/EC (ID system for packaging materials). I found it at EUR-LEX, but the tables in the annexes are missing. Are the directives published elsewhere? Richard Woods - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Finding Directives
For those in the USA, you can obtain directives by mail for free. Contact European Community Information Services at 212 371-3804. Richard Woods -- From: Nick Williams [SMTP:n...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 6:16 AM To: John Allen; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; 'wo...@sensormatic.com' Subject: RE: Finding Directives I have used the EUDOR site to download TIFF image files of OJ's I want on several occasions in recent months. These are scanned images of the original journal pages so they have the full text including any tables and figures. If one so chooses (and has the software) the files can then be imported directly into Acrobat and captured to make word-searchable files. Cost seems quite reasonable too - minimum download charge is 6 Euros, and for that you get about twenty pages (of your choice). Further pages costs about half a Euro ea. Payment is on-line by credit card. My only gripe is that the way one gets from the payment page to the page where one can actually download the files is a bit obscure - the hot tip is to make sure you keep a note of the session number as soon as it is given to you at the pay stage. The site address is http://www.eudor.com:8444/EUDOR/PROC/orientation?LANGUAGE=english If only obtaining copies of standards was as easy :-( Nick. At 8:27 + 10/11/99, John Allen wrote: Richard According to the EUR-LEX listing of the Directives and decisions, this documnet was published in OJ L 050 of 20.02.97 p.28, You can get copies of the OJ from various places including the UK Stationary Office - or you could even try the Technical Help to Exporters section of BSI. Regards John Allen -- From: wo...@sensormatic.com[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 09 November 1999 16:59 To:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Finding Directives I am attempting to locate 97/129/EC (ID system for packaging materials). I found it at EUR-LEX, but the tables in the annexes are missing. Are the directives published elsewhere? Richard Woods - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Commission Decisions
Must a member state transpose into national law a Commission Decision pursuant to a Directive? For example, Decision 97/129/EC establishes the identification system for packaging materials pursuant to Directive 94/62/EC on packaging waste. Article 4 says This Decision is addressed to the Member States. Richard Woods - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Manuals
Ray, The flippant answer is,-- it depends how conservative your company's lawyers are and which partner is the heavy! From the safety agency's perspective, it depends on the product standard and on the agency, and even the individual evaluating engineer. It also depends whether the product is easily user accessible, notwithstanding the fact that it should only be installed/serviced by trained service persons. Also, some countries are extra sensitive regarding user/service instructions. If the request is reasonable, I find it easier to comply rather than fight;-- fighting takes longer to market even though you might win in the long run. However, if the request is unreasonable, I have fought and won. But then, I was able to obtain support by fact or precedent. My method of fighting is usually not verbal, but politely on paper, providing explanation, justification, supporting evidence, etc., and asking for a response.Then the agency has to respond back and justify their position.If they really have no justification, you will win. If they can justify the request, you have just learned something. Obviously, this all takes time. Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group -- From: Richard Lanzillotto [SMTP:rl...@concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 1:23 PM To: Russell, Ray; 'IEEE PSTC' Subject: Re: Manuals I recommend you refer to the particular safety standard for your product, which likely has a section dedicated to manual requirements. -Original Message- From: Russell, Ray ray_russ...@gastmfg.com To: 'IEEE PSTC' emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 4:21 PM Subject: Manuals Greetings, In this day and age of trying to cover your butt, from liability (especially in the USA), I have found it interesting that the information in some User manuals are going to the extreme to warn the consumer, while other similar products have very few warnings. In addition, our European partner is balking at the warnings we now have. They state that since the instructions require that installation or service should only be a qualified personnel then this person should know some of the obvious dangers, such as unplugging the device before servicing. Now assuming that a product is approved to US and European standards, can someone recommend a guide that would help to define additional manual requirements for US and Europe? Thank you, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft
For commercial aircraft usage, the current revision of RTCA/DO-160 would be a natural place to start. -- From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999, 7:14 AM Group, What safety and EMC standards would I have to consider for a piece of equipment initially intended for use in a TV studio, but that is requested to be able to be used in a helecopter or plane? I am also interested in what other requirements and standards there may be for shock and vibration, temperture and humidity and for acoustic noise in such an application. I am also sure that the creepage and clearance distances in the product safety standards do not hold true at elevated altitudes so what happens here? any info would be greatly recieved. Regards, Duncan. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft
The current revision is RTCA/DO-160D, July 29, 1997. The phone number for RTCA publications is 202-833-9339, or vrobe...@rtca.org. -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [SMTP:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:40 PM To: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft For commercial aircraft usage, the current revision of RTCA/DO-160 would be a natural place to start. -- From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999, 7:14 AM Group, What safety and EMC standards would I have to consider for a piece of equipment initially intended for use in a TV studio, but that is requested to be able to be used in a helecopter or plane? I am also interested in what other requirements and standards there may be for shock and vibration, temperture and humidity and for acoustic noise in such an application. I am also sure that the creepage and clearance distances in the product safety standards do not hold true at elevated altitudes so what happens here? any info would be greatly recieved. Regards, Duncan. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
European Community Legislation Link
Attached is a link to Eur-Lex which has a search for community legislation in force in Europe. Not sure if this is valuable or not, but thought some of you might want to be aware of it. I am IN NO WAY affiliated with this company, just merely providing an interesting link. http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/search_lif_simple.html http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/search_lif_simple.html - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Manuals
I recommend you refer to the particular safety standard for your product, which likely has a section dedicated to manual requirements. -Original Message- From: Russell, Ray ray_russ...@gastmfg.com To: 'IEEE PSTC' emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 4:21 PM Subject: Manuals Greetings, In this day and age of trying to cover your butt, from liability (especially in the USA), I have found it interesting that the information in some User manuals are going to the extreme to warn the consumer, while other similar products have very few warnings. In addition, our European partner is balking at the warnings we now have. They state that since the instructions require that installation or service should only be a qualified personnel then this person should know some of the obvious dangers, such as unplugging the device before servicing. Now assuming that a product is approved to US and European standards, can someone recommend a guide that would help to define additional manual requirements for US and Europe? Thank you, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Puerto Rico
Does anyone know if Puerto Rico requires anything different than the US for telephone compliance? Best Regards, Jody Leber jle...@ustech-lab.com http://www.ustech-lab.com U. S. Technologies 3505 Francis Circle Alpharetta, GA 30004 770.740.0717 Fax: 770.740.1508 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Manuals
Greetings, In this day and age of trying to cover your butt, from liability (especially in the USA), I have found it interesting that the information in some User manuals are going to the extreme to warn the consumer, while other similar products have very few warnings. In addition, our European partner is balking at the warnings we now have. They state that since the instructions require that installation or service should only be a qualified personnel then this person should know some of the obvious dangers, such as unplugging the device before servicing. Now assuming that a product is approved to US and European standards, can someone recommend a guide that would help to define additional manual requirements for US and Europe? Thank you, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Solar Heating calculations
I am looking for information on how to calculate the heating effects of the sun on a metal enclosure (large power supply). I am afraid that I have almost know knowledge in this area whatsoever. Does anybody know of good resources that would help? Regards, Arjen Dragt attachment: adragt.vcf
Re: EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft
Take a look at Radio Technical Commission for Aeronautics (RTCA) Document No. DO-160B, Environmental Conditions and Test Procedures for Airborne Equipment The copy I have is dated July 20, 1984 Wow time flies! The cover page is ISO 7137 if that's any help. Basically, RTCA/DO-160 is about 1 inch thick of graphs, charts, requirements, test setups, etc for equipment that goes airborne. Most of what I saw was electrical, but I'm sure there's environmental in there, too. - Robert - AJM Electronics408 286 3985 619 North First Stfax 408 297 9121 San Jose, CA 95112 m...@california.com -Original Message- From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 8:49 AM Subject: EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft Group, What safety and EMC standards would I have to consider for a piece of equipment initially intended for use in a TV studio, but that is requested to be able to be used in a helecopter or plane? I am also interested in what other requirements and standards there may be for shock and vibration, temperture and humidity and for acoustic noise in such an application. I am also sure that the creepage and clearance distances in the product safety standards do not hold true at elevated altitudes so what happens here? any info would be greatly recieved. Regards, Duncan. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive
Dear Kevin, I used to work in the alarm industry, and in fact sat on the CENELEC TC developing EN50130-4 the EMC Immunity Standard For Components of Fire, Intruder and Social Alarm Systems. I believe your e mail may be referring to the product performance standards such as EN 54 for Fire Alarm Systems (I believe there may be an equivalent for Intruder Alarms by now) that include EMC requirements. My understanding is that these requirements are voluntary and that as they are not listed in the OJ, are not therefore required by the EMC Directive or CE marking. You do raise a valid question however, as to why CENELEC has kept the EMC clauses in these performance standards. I would be happy to discuss this further with you off line. Regards, Simon Rate Engineering Manager Product Safety Gateway Products Ph: 605 232 2230, Ext 26953 Fax: 605 232 2814 E Mail: simon.r...@gateway.com -Original Message- From: Jon D. Curtis [mailto:j...@curtis-straus.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 7:23 AM To: Kevin Harris Cc: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Re: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive I suspect that given the group's proclivity to talk endlessly on almost any topic that the real reason that you got no response was that no one understood your question sufficiently to answer it. You obviously have an alarm system. You have some other EN standard which is in conflict with the alarm EMC standard. You have some authorizing bodies which don't accept your data. You are unhappy about the situation. What standard is in conflict with the alarm standard? Why is it being applied to your product? Does your product fall into multiple product families? What approvals are you approaching a certifier for? Who is the certifier? BTW: attempting to change the way CENELEC does business is futile. You will be attempting a remedy on government time frames for a problem with commercial time frames. You are advocating from a small constituency (alarm systems) against what is likely a larger constituency. Your best bet is to figure out what they want, the easiest way to do it, and give it to them. Kevin Harris wrote: Hello Again Group, Well the group's total silence on this point is indeed interesting. Does nobody know how to proceed or is everyone just keeping their corporate heads down : Please reply offline if you feel uneasy answering this question in a public forum. Regards Kevin Harris -Original Message- From: Kevin Harris [mailto:harr...@dscltd.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:38 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive Greetings, Is there an established procedure for demanding the withdrawal of EMC clauses within standards who's primary purpose is industry regulation, not EMC. In my company's industry there is an established product family standard for EMC (EN50130-4) but the good people at CENELEC seem to be ignoring the EMC directive, and have published within the last year or two, EN standards which include EMC testing clauses, with methods that are at odds with the EMC document EN50130-4 published in the OJ. Especially troubling to me is the fact that all of the test organisations that test for the industry regulation specification do not accept either third party or self declarations that the product is EMC compliant. I do not wish to test the same product more than once for a single market. What path do you recommend I follow to demand the repeal of these clauses. Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 - - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). -- Jon D. Curtis, PE Curtis-Straus LLC j...@curtis-straus.com Laboratory for EMC, Safety, NEBS, SEMI-S2 and Telecom 527 Great Roadvoice (978) 486-8880 Littleton, MA 01460 fax (978) 486-8828 http://www.curtis-straus.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or
On-line Sources for Directives
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Off-line Sources for Directives
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RE: New standards -404 error
This works for me: http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/index. html http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/ Richard Woods -- From: Ehler, Kyle [SMTP:kyle.eh...@lsil.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:37 AM To: EMC and Safety list Subject: RE: New standards -404 error This link: http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/reflis http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s Produces a '404' for me. I get as far as http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/ http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s before the pages are unavailable. Thanks, Kyle - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft
Something you may wish to consider. Some years ago the U.S. army and navy both contracted for similar helicopters, but to separate specs. The army version was the blackhawk, as I recall. The navy version was required to be far more immune to EMI, as the navy was well aware of EMI problems due to their experiences with severe EMI congestion of shipboard electronics. Namely lots of emitters and receivers within a small area. The army spec was less rigorous in this regard. As a result, the army version could, and did ocassionally, crash due to the EMI from a mere TV or radio tower in the vicinity. MORAL: Beware of EMI from devices operated within commercial aircraft, whose EMS is far worse than aircraft designed for military battle conditions. George Alspaugh Lexmark International Inc. duncan.hobbs%snellwilcox@interlock.lexmark.com on 11/10/99 10:14:59 AM Please respond to duncan.hobbs%snellwilcox@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft Group, What safety and EMC standards would I have to consider for a piece of equipment initially intended for use in a TV studio, but that is requested to be able to be used in a helecopter or plane? I am also interested in what other requirements and standards there may be for shock and vibration, temperture and humidity and for acoustic noise in such an application. I am also sure that the creepage and clearance distances in the product safety standards do not hold true at elevated altitudes so what happens here? any info would be greatly recieved. Regards, Duncan. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: New standards -404 error
Hi Kyle, The URL you referenced is incomplete. There is an easier way. Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com Using your browser's Find tool -- search for the term Harmonized Standards -- and you will be taken directly to this link. Click on it and you're there (I just checked it and it's still working) Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Ehler, Kyle wrote: This link: http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/reflis http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s Produces a '404' for me. I get as far as http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/ http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s before the pages are unavailable. Thanks, Kyle - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EMC and Safety of equipment used in aircraft
Group, What safety and EMC standards would I have to consider for a piece of equipment initially intended for use in a TV studio, but that is requested to be able to be used in a helecopter or plane? I am also interested in what other requirements and standards there may be for shock and vibration, temperture and humidity and for acoustic noise in such an application. I am also sure that the creepage and clearance distances in the product safety standards do not hold true at elevated altitudes so what happens here? any info would be greatly recieved. Regards, Duncan. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
IEC 320 Appliance Inlets
Does anyone know of an IEC 320 appliance inlet which has as its output connector, viz. the termination within the mechanical enclosure, a standard U.S. three wire female receptacle? Thanks for your help. Regards, George Alspaugh Product Safety Lexmark International Inc. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: New standards -404 error
This link: http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/reflis http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s Produces a '404' for me. I get as far as http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/ http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s before the pages are unavailable. Thanks, Kyle - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
IEEE-EMC CD-ROM -- Thanks to all
Thanks to the 25 people who responded to my offer for a CD-ROM with the 1996-1999 EMC Syposium Proceedings. Unfortunately, I have only one copy. Several of you asked where to buy a copy. You might try the IEEE EMC Society web page, www.emcs.org, or Mira Digital Publishing, phone +1 314-776-, fax +1 314-776-2276, e...@miracd.com. The CD-ROM is IEEE catalog number 99CH3621C. Several also asked about subscribing to Test Measurement World. See URL in my signature. Thanks, /\ | Martin Rowe | / \ | Senior Technical Editor | /\ /\ | Test Measurement World | / \/ \/\ | voice 617-558-4426 |/\ /\ / \/ | fax 617-558-4470 | \/ \/ | e-mail m.r...@ieee.org | \ / | http://www.tmworld.com |\/ - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Mexico NOM Certifications
The recent notes on this topic piqued my interest. The results are another testament to the power of the world-wide-web. I started with an old favorite: www.safetylink.com Then under Safety Articles, FAQs, MRAs, etc. I found the following listed website for Mexico's standards, maintained by the U.S. govt.: http://naftalink.web.com.mx/8404menu.html Then, selecting the 1301 Obtaining an NOM Certification page, the following text was available: OBTAINING A NOM CERTIFICATION If your product is subject to a Mandatory Mexican Standard, you must obtain a NOM Certification prior to exporting your product to Mexico issued by the Secretaria de Comercio y Fomento Industrial (SECOFI) or an authorized private sector certifying body in Mexico. NAFTA Facts Document 1302, Partial List of Mandatory Mexican Standards, lists some of the products subject to mandatory standards -- those standards on industrial goods which are currently being enforced at the Mexican border. There are other mandatory product standards in force in Mexico. This list does not include standards on medical equipment or products. If there is a mandatory product standard on a given good, then all domestic as well as imported goods must comply with the applicable NOM, even if the product does not fall on the list on document 1302. Exporters should be aware that, if there is a mandatory product standard applicable to their goods, Mexico may request, at any time, that Mexican Customs deny entry to any good that does not comply with the standard. U.S. exporters should work closely with their Mexican importers to determine whether or not their products are subject to a mandatory Mexican standard. For pharmaceuticals, medical equipment and supplies, cosmetics, toiletries, vitamins, food and beverages, your product may be subject to a Ministry of Health registration or notification requirement. Please note that some products, such as medical equipment and supplies, may be subject to both a Ministry of Health registration and a NOM Certification requirement. Exporter should work closely with their Mexican importers to determine health-related importation requirements. THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS Mexico has recently announced some changes to its certification process. Because we do not yet have a full understanding of these changes, these changes are not fully described here. This document will be updated once we receive more information regarding these changes. To ensure compliance with its mandatory standards, Mexico requires a NOM Certification. This Certification has historically been issued by the Director General de Normas (DGN) in SECOFI. Mexico has recently authorized two private sector bodies to grant NOM approval in areas of home electrical products and processed foods. For products for which the Mexican government grants certification, Mexico does not allow a U.S. exporter to obtain certification under any circumstances (the certification has to be applied for and obtained by the Mexican importer). Mexico has indicated, however, that for products certified by one of two recently authorized private sector certification bodies, exporters may be able to receive certification for their products if they have in place a quality assurance system as certified by a Mexican certifying body. Contact the organizations listed below for more information. The Mexican government, in conjunction with Mexican private sector interests, has set up a non-profit organization which reportedly can assist businesses in certifying products for sale in the Mexican market. This organization will charges fees on a cost-recovery basis. The contact for this organization is: Canacintra Gerardo Tajonar, Director Silvia Romero, Director of Promotion Avenida San Antonio 255, P.B. C.P. 03849, Mexico, D.F. Tel: 52-5-563-3400, Ext. 388 through 397 FAX: 011-52-56-11-2151 FINDING A LABORATORY There are a number of labs in Mexico that are accredited to test a variety of products. A full list of Mexican accredited laboratories can be obtained from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), National Center for Standards and Certification Information at (301) 975-4040. To obtain information regarding prices, schedules and application procedures, please contact the laboratories that indicate they can test your product. The laboratory will request that you send samples for testing. You may ship up to three items into Mexico without a NOM Certification if the products are destined for a testing laboratory. Designated laboratories must accept all applications for testing, and conduct testing on a first come, first served basis. Labs set their own price schedule for testing. PRIVATE SECTOR CERTIFICATION BODIES IN MEXICO Mexico has authorized two private sector bodies in Mexico to grant NOM certification in the areas of domestic electrical products and processed foods. It plans on granting such authorization to additional
Mexico Safety Standards for ITE
I do not remember commenting on Mexico's stadards, as I know little of their standards or the cerrtification process. This is handled by our local marketing there. As I understand it, NOM is the certification agency, and NYCE is one of the authorized testing companies. It is my opinion that the requirements must be similar to UL 1950, as I have yet to be asked to resolve a NOM related technical issue on any of our products. Neither have I needed to provide UL/CSA test reports. It is also my understanding that each importer of a particular product must apply for individual NOM recognition. For example, if your product is marketed through a number of dealers/distributors, each must obtain NOM registration. This is the limit of my understanding of this process. Regards, George Alspaugh Product Safety Lexmark International Inc. -- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on 11/10/99 08:46 AM --- woods%sensormatic@interlock.lexmark.com on 11/10/99 08:03:20 AM Please respond to woods%sensormatic@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: FW: ITE Standards (2) I understood that Mexico's standard was based upon the old UL 478. Has that changed? Richard Woods -- From: John Allen [SMTP:john.al...@rdel.co.uk] mailto:[SMTP:john.al...@rdel.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:45 AM To: 'wo...@sensormatic.com' Subject: RE: ITE Standards (2) Richard In a recent thread on Mexico, some (George from LEXMARK) said that they DO use an IEC60950-based standard for ITE. Regards John Allen -- From: wo...@sensormatic.com[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] mailto:[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 09 November 1999 12:50 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: ITE Standards (2) IEC 950 is the only ITE safety standard published by the IEC and EN 60950 is the only one published by CENELEC. Some countries have safety standards for ITE that are not based on IEC standards. Mexico, for example. All of the harmonized EU standards are listed at http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/reflis http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s t.html http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli st.html Richard Woods -- From: peterh...@aol.com mailto:peterh...@aol.com [SMTP:peterh...@aol.com] mailto:[SMTP:peterh...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:25 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: ITE Standards (2) Hello All, Thank you for all your responds. Perhaps I should have made my question a bit more clearer. Basically what I am looking for is the list of other safety related standards other than 950 that are applicable to any ITE. i.e is 950 the only standard or are there others as well? Many thanks Peter - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org mailto:majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com , jim_bac...@monarch.com mailto:jim_bac...@monarch.com , ri...@sdd.hp.com mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com , or roger.volgst...@compaq.com mailto:roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org mailto:majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com , jim_bac...@monarch.com mailto:jim_bac...@monarch.com , ri...@sdd.hp.com mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com , or roger.volgst...@compaq.com mailto:roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive
I suspect that given the group's proclivity to talk endlessly on almost any topic that the real reason that you got no response was that no one understood your question sufficiently to answer it. You obviously have an alarm system. You have some other EN standard which is in conflict with the alarm EMC standard. You have some authorizing bodies which don't accept your data. You are unhappy about the situation. What standard is in conflict with the alarm standard? Why is it being applied to your product? Does your product fall into multiple product families? What approvals are you approaching a certifier for? Who is the certifier? BTW: attempting to change the way CENELEC does business is futile. You will be attempting a remedy on government time frames for a problem with commercial time frames. You are advocating from a small constituency (alarm systems) against what is likely a larger constituency. Your best bet is to figure out what they want, the easiest way to do it, and give it to them. Kevin Harris wrote: Hello Again Group, Well the group's total silence on this point is indeed interesting. Does nobody know how to proceed or is everyone just keeping their corporate heads down : Please reply offline if you feel uneasy answering this question in a public forum. Regards Kevin Harris -Original Message- From: Kevin Harris [mailto:harr...@dscltd.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:38 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive Greetings, Is there an established procedure for demanding the withdrawal of EMC clauses within standards who's primary purpose is industry regulation, not EMC. In my company's industry there is an established product family standard for EMC (EN50130-4) but the good people at CENELEC seem to be ignoring the EMC directive, and have published within the last year or two, EN standards which include EMC testing clauses, with methods that are at odds with the EMC document EN50130-4 published in the OJ. Especially troubling to me is the fact that all of the test organisations that test for the industry regulation specification do not accept either third party or self declarations that the product is EMC compliant. I do not wish to test the same product more than once for a single market. What path do you recommend I follow to demand the repeal of these clauses. Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 - - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). -- Jon D. Curtis, PE Curtis-Straus LLC j...@curtis-straus.com Laboratory for EMC, Safety, NEBS, SEMI-S2 and Telecom 527 Great Roadvoice (978) 486-8880 Littleton, MA 01460 fax (978) 486-8828 http://www.curtis-straus.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
FW: ITE Standards (2)
I understood that Mexico's standard was based upon the old UL 478. Has that changed? Richard Woods -- From: John Allen [SMTP:john.al...@rdel.co.uk] mailto:[SMTP:john.al...@rdel.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:45 AM To: 'wo...@sensormatic.com' Subject: RE: ITE Standards (2) Richard In a recent thread on Mexico, some (George from LEXMARK) said that they DO use an IEC60950-based standard for ITE. Regards John Allen -- From: wo...@sensormatic.com[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] mailto:[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 09 November 1999 12:50 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:RE: ITE Standards (2) IEC 950 is the only ITE safety standard published by the IEC and EN 60950 is the only one published by CENELEC. Some countries have safety standards for ITE that are not based on IEC standards. Mexico, for example. All of the harmonized EU standards are listed at http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/reflis http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s t.html http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli st.html Richard Woods -- From: peterh...@aol.com mailto:peterh...@aol.com [SMTP:peterh...@aol.com] mailto:[SMTP:peterh...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:25 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:ITE Standards (2) Hello All, Thank you for all your responds. Perhaps I should have made my question a bit more clearer. Basically what I am looking for is the list of other safety related standards other than 950 that are applicable to any ITE. i.e is 950 the only standard or are there others as well? Many thanks Peter - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org mailto:majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com , jim_bac...@monarch.com mailto:jim_bac...@monarch.com , ri...@sdd.hp.com mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com , or roger.volgst...@compaq.com mailto:roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org mailto:majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com , jim_bac...@monarch.com mailto:jim_bac...@monarch.com , ri...@sdd.hp.com mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com , or roger.volgst...@compaq.com mailto:roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive
I can understand your frustration Kevin. Consider how standards come to be. First the Commission gives a mandate to CENELEC to develop a standard in support of the essential requirements of a particular directive. The Commission monitors the development of the standard, so they have a strong influence over its contents. Once the standard has been approved by CENELEC, you can bet that the standard is also acceptable to the Commission. It is then published in the OJ. Therefore, it is not CENELEC that you should be throwing darts at, rather it is the Commission. Also remember that the standards are voluntary. You can always build a technical construction file and not abide by the tests you feel are unnecessary if you can get a Notified Body to agree with you. Richard Woods -- From: Kevin Harris [SMTP:harr...@dscltd.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 6:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: RE: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive Hello Again Group, Well the group's total silence on this point is indeed interesting. Does nobody know how to proceed or is everyone just keeping their corporate heads down : Please reply offline if you feel uneasy answering this question in a public forum. Regards Kevin Harris -Original Message- From: Kevin Harris [mailto:harr...@dscltd.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:38 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive Greetings, Is there an established procedure for demanding the withdrawal of EMC clauses within standards who's primary purpose is industry regulation, not EMC. In my company's industry there is an established product family standard for EMC (EN50130-4) but the good people at CENELEC seem to be ignoring the EMC directive, and have published within the last year or two, EN standards which include EMC testing clauses, with methods that are at odds with the EMC document EN50130-4 published in the OJ. Especially troubling to me is the fact that all of the test organisations that test for the industry regulation specification do not accept either third party or self declarations that the product is EMC compliant. I do not wish to test the same product more than once for a single market. What path do you recommend I follow to demand the repeal of these clauses. Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 - - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re:RE: Power hazard on modular equipment
Group, Thanks for your thoughts on this. The main problem is not the power supply as this derives its power from the backplane and so it is not powered up if removed. The main problem is the other slots where the cumulative power from all of the redundant power supplies is avaialable and this is over 240VA. On its own each PSU is under the 240VA limit. To add insult to injury the type of connectors used on compact PCI (amp Z packs) do not have a female board mount derivative, at least not a straight one but a right angle one, hence the male connectors have ended up on the backplane. Who wrote this silly compact PCI standard anyway! (it obviously had no input from a product safety engineer!) any more examples of how you guys have overcome this problem would be appreciated. Thanks again, Duncan. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: New standards
The European committee decided that implementation dates of new standards could not be given away to the opinion of private organizations such as IEC, ISO ETSI or CENELEC. The implementation dates in the standard itself are therefore invalid regarding to ce marking. The real date limit is decided upon by the EC itself and is published as such. Therefore the dates a standard must be used on European soil, and the conflicting standard (older standard) may not be used for new products anymore is published in the OJ (Official Journal C) the tables on (f.a.) our site and also on the site of DGIII mention these dates. Old products that complied to the older standard, but that continue to be produced and are not in the logistic process of distribution (and stock) on the OJ mentioned date, will have to be re-designed. In general 2 years are allowed between OJ publication date and being mandatory. In the mean time both standards give presumption of conformity. In difficult or controvers standards (such as harmonics) longer times may be defined. The EC plans to generate list of new harmonized standards once a year. The earlier replys about DOW DOP etc. stay valid for out of Europe usage. Regards, Gert Gremmen Ing. == Ce-test, Qualified testing == Consultants in EMC, Electrical safety and Telecommunication Compliance tests for European standards and ce-marking Member of NEC/IEC voting committee for EMC. Our Web presence: http://www.cetest.nl List of current harmonized standards http://www.cetest.nl/emc-harm.htm -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Michael Gusel Sent: dinsdag 9 november 1999 16:14 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:New standards Greetings, I would like to get clarification concerning the mandatory date of application of newly published standards. Does publication in the OJ of a new standard lead to a requirement for redesigning an existing product? For example, EN475 was published in February 1995. It states that this European Standard shall be given a status of a national standard .. at the latest by August 1995, and conflicting national standards shall be withdrawn at the latest by August 1995. It supersedes ISO 9703-1:1992 and -2:1994. This appears to mean that a product designed in 1995 to comply with ISO 9703 must be redesigned at the end of the same year to comply with the new standard. Is this truly the intent of the new standard? I am uncertain in the application of DOP and DOW and how to find them for a particular standard. An example of a rational (IMO) implementation was the evolution of IEC601-1. A product certified to IEC601-1:1977 did not have to be reassessed for IEC601-1:1988 until, as I recall 1994. In this example we can clearly see a reasonable usage time (or you can call it expected product life time) overlap between the old and the new standards. This confusion started after my conversation with our Notified Body. They stated that when we modify our product(s) we must redesign them to comply with all applicable EN standards published in OJ. They also informed us that we should update our Declaration of Conformity (DoC) for the old products that we continue to manufacture without change, to comply with the updated list of standards. As you understand this request mandates redesign of the existing products. My understanding of this issue was that the updates to the DoC are required when the product had changes that led to updates of the safety files, otherwise I have a hard time to accept the need for revising DoC for existing products. Please comment. Thank you. ___ Michael Gusel Datascope Corp. Tel: 201-967-6859 580 Winters Ave Fax: 201-265-0189 Paramus, NJ 07653E-mail: michael_gu...@datascope.com ___ - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive
I recommend you contact the Technical committee at Cenelec responsible for authoring the standard to ascertain the reason for the clauses. They may shed some light on what you consider to be inconsistencies in the regulations. Rich Lanzillotto -Original Message- From: Kevin Harris harr...@dscltd.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 6:23 PM Subject: RE: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive Hello Again Group, Well the group's total silence on this point is indeed interesting. Does nobody know how to proceed or is everyone just keeping their corporate heads down : Please reply offline if you feel uneasy answering this question in a public forum. Regards Kevin Harris -Original Message- From: Kevin Harris [mailto:harr...@dscltd.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:38 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive Greetings, Is there an established procedure for demanding the withdrawal of EMC clauses within standards who's primary purpose is industry regulation, not EMC. In my company's industry there is an established product family standard for EMC (EN50130-4) but the good people at CENELEC seem to be ignoring the EMC directive, and have published within the last year or two, EN standards which include EMC testing clauses, with methods that are at odds with the EMC document EN50130-4 published in the OJ. Especially troubling to me is the fact that all of the test organisations that test for the industry regulation specification do not accept either third party or self declarations that the product is EMC compliant. I do not wish to test the same product more than once for a single market. What path do you recommend I follow to demand the repeal of these clauses. Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 - - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive
Kevin, I cannot believe that we are all cowards here. However, it may be that we are unfamiliar with your subject matter. I, for one, have never heard of the EMC standard EN50130-4, don't know if it falls under the new approach EMC Directive or not, and don't know what other EN standards it may be in conflict with. In other words, I cannot shed light on your subject. I would not be surprised if many have the same problem. It might help if you get a bit more specific here, such as, what are the conflicting EN standards, and what are the specific conflicting clauses. Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group -- From: Kevin Harris [SMTP:harr...@dscltd.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: RE: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive Hello Again Group, Well the group's total silence on this point is indeed interesting. Does nobody know how to proceed or is everyone just keeping their corporate heads down : Please reply offline if you feel uneasy answering this question in a public forum. Regards Kevin Harris -Original Message- From: Kevin Harris [mailto:harr...@dscltd.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:38 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive Greetings, Is there an established procedure for demanding the withdrawal of EMC clauses within standards who's primary purpose is industry regulation, not EMC. In my company's industry there is an established product family standard for EMC (EN50130-4) but the good people at CENELEC seem to be ignoring the EMC directive, and have published within the last year or two, EN standards which include EMC testing clauses, with methods that are at odds with the EMC document EN50130-4 published in the OJ. Especially troubling to me is the fact that all of the test organisations that test for the industry regulation specification do not accept either third party or self declarations that the product is EMC compliant. I do not wish to test the same product more than once for a single market. What path do you recommend I follow to demand the repeal of these clauses. Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 - - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
