[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: A few minutes later, Xeno's eyelids flutter, and his eyes begin to open, downcast. He is still deep within. LJB, sensing his pending mercantile triumph, makes a few nervous adjustments to his display, and stands back. Xeno, having emerged from a deeply golden and glorious place, now looks upon the raft of LJB's Divine treasures, arranged like baby's candy on the tailgate. As he awakes to the world around him, Xeno's eyes first settle on a necklace of mystical beads, among the tantalizing offerings. Each bead perfectly formed, the exact shape and color of the previous one. A flush of Bliss runs up Xeno's spine, a sign that he must have the strand. He points a dignified finger and silently inquires, How much? LJB can barely contain himself. Right off, Xeno has gone for the cash cow! Plastic rudraksha beads, bought in bulk off the web, from a joint in Delhi, for 15 rupees a pop (about 29 cents, US), and sold to the seekers for 20 bucks each! Jai Guru Dev! [...to be continued...maybe] Okay, I've had it! If your going write Steve and Share out of the script, I want it to be dramatic. Unbeknowst to all the parties assembled at this auspicious spot, a violent storm had moved in some forty miles North, resulting in a sudden and unpredictable rise of river. The two individuals covorting there were caught totally unawares until a wall of water came crashing down and took the two, uh, friends, yes friends, head over heals down to a watery end. Now feel free to amend this. Maybe the two, uh, friends, yes friends, don't die off. But come up with something!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Quite a few Irish horsemen believe in giving their horses a Guinness a day. They believe it puts an excellent shine on the coat. Do you think it could also have the effect of putting some starch in the mount?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
We appreciate His Holiness's glee at His humble seekers' efforts to amuse. A further scene awaits: Much to Share and Steve's chagrin, Xeno attempts to buy at any price, LJB's much dog-eared and stained copy of the Kama Sutra, until Xeno's keen eye spots several of his favorite pages missing...In the awkward pause that follows, Share and Steve are relieved, Xeno is frustrated, his silence quickly evaporating, and LJB, feeling the fresh twenty in his pocket, is hoping for more cash. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: OMG you guys are cracking me up :-), thank you LG - I didn't know you had such talents, pure Bhakti rasa I say. I'm too distracted having been targeted by Kamadeva's arrow. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:50 PM, doctordumbass@... no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let
[FairfieldLife] Re: What has Replaced It
One of your best Ann. You hit the mark on this. At least with the commentary! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Here is a building disguised as a space ship or perhaps it is a large, perfectly formed breast. Maybe in hard times it will house soybeans or corn. I am not sure if the surrounding fence is to keep people in or people out. This building is not sure if it wants to represent some sort of Colonial facade or a pagoda. What the hell, it can be both! A tree-lined drive leading to the Fairfield Correctional Facility - no wait! This is the Ayurvedic Center. Are we in Greece? Are we in India? Did three architects combine plans for this one? And the white picket fence just takes me back to small town America. No wait! I think we're in Vegas, where you can look out from on top of the Eiffel Tower across the street to Bellagio Italy and see the Chrysler Building kitty corner to that! Now if this doesn't get your aesthetic sensibilities salivating I don't know what will. I mean, these could double as Hampton Inns. The only thing missing is the No Vacancy sign and the semis in the parking lot. I had a good time, I hope you all did too!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Read the thread, Ann. Otherwise you look ignorant. The library you are referring to is not the MUM library but the former public library in town, which still stands but is no longer used as a library. The old FF public library was the first Carnegie library west of the Mississippi. The old library on campus was also a Carnegie library, and it was torn down. FF was unusual (perhaps even unique) in having two Carnegie libraries. Thanks for the clarification Alex. I remember that damn building because all the graduation pictures were taken in front of it on the steps. Plus, it had Carnegie written on the outside of the building, right up at the top. Granted, I was 19 at the time but I do remember that edifice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What has Replaced It
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: One of your best Ann. You hit the mark on this. At least with the commentary! See Steve, you are a nice guy and you can laugh easily. I am sure I have pissed off a number of people here but it was all in good fun (for me, at least). I have a feeling Feste may be having apoplexy right now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Here is a building disguised as a space ship or perhaps it is a large, perfectly formed breast. Maybe in hard times it will house soybeans or corn. I am not sure if the surrounding fence is to keep people in or people out. This building is not sure if it wants to represent some sort of Colonial facade or a pagoda. What the hell, it can be both! A tree-lined drive leading to the Fairfield Correctional Facility - no wait! This is the Ayurvedic Center. Are we in Greece? Are we in India? Did three architects combine plans for this one? And the white picket fence just takes me back to small town America. No wait! I think we're in Vegas, where you can look out from on top of the Eiffel Tower across the street to Bellagio Italy and see the Chrysler Building kitty corner to that! Now if this doesn't get your aesthetic sensibilities salivating I don't know what will. I mean, these could double as Hampton Inns. The only thing missing is the No Vacancy sign and the semis in the parking lot. I had a good time, I hope you all did too!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
I think I saw something similiar to this this in How the World Turns --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: We appreciate His Holiness's glee at His humble seekers' efforts to amuse. A further scene awaits: Much to Share and Steve's chagrin, Xeno attempts to buy at any price, LJB's much dog-eared and stained copy of the Kama Sutra, until Xeno's keen eye spots several of his favorite pages missing...In the awkward pause that follows, Share and Steve are relieved, Xeno is frustrated, his silence quickly evaporating, and LJB, feeling the fresh twenty in his pocket, is hoping for more cash. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: OMG you guys are cracking me up :-), thank you LG - I didn't know you had such talents, pure Bhakti rasa I say. I'm too distracted having been targeted by Kamadeva's arrow. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:50 PM, doctordumbass@ no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential
[FairfieldLife] Re: What has Replaced It
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: See Steve, you are a nice guy and you can laugh easily. I am sure I have pissed off a number of people here but it was all in good fun (for me, at least). I have a feeling Feste may be having apoplexy right now. I'll bet you coaxed a giggle out of him (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Read the thread, Ann. Otherwise you look ignorant. The library you are referring to is not the MUM library but the former public library in town, which still stands but is no longer used as a library. And have you ever seen any of these buildings that you denigrate? The new student union building it beautiful. I doubt whether there is a better student union building for a college this size anywhere in the Midwest, or maybe even further. The Learning Center that was pulled down to make room for it was an eyesore. And the university has preserved and restored Henn Mansion, which is on the Iowa Register of Historic Places (or some similar name). Please get your facts right before you start insulting us. Now who is insulting who? Go have a green beer and settle down. Excerpt from Parsons College Alumni Newsletter:http://www.parsonscollegealumni.com/history.aspx As a result of that interview Mr Carnegie promised a gift of $15,000 for a library building, provided a like amount were raised by the college for endowment and upkeep. This was considered by the college board to be too severe a condition at the time so the matter was dropped. Well, after the fire that destroyed the main building, Ankney Hall, other needs of the growing college were felt, but happily in the summer of 1905 Mr.T.D. Foster, (Foster Hall) while crossing the Atlantic, found that Mr. Carnegie was a fellow passenger. An occasion on board ship occurred and TO presented the matter again, when Mr. Carnegie generously waived all conditions and gave $15,000 outright for the building. Picture of the library when I was there. CARNEGIE LIBRARY -- A masterpiece of the old Parsons College grounds. It has been reported that a Parsons representative once met Andrew Carnegie and shared his ideas and plans for developing a small mid-western college. Subsequently, Mr. Carnegie directed a significant amount of funds toward the college. The once busy campus library and architectural beauty has been removed from campus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@ wrote: Well, no one else said it, so I am going to. The beautiful century old Gothic Chapel(historic landmark)on campus, to which at least one poster referred, was torn down. In my opinion, the fact that the chapel was torn down says it all. For the hypothetical question of whether or not a Bible study group would be allowed: A better question is, would it be attended? To my knowledge, many in Fairfield, and some of the posters on this blog, are anti-organized religion. You know, when I read that the beautiful chapel had been razed to the ground I was astounded. The fact that it was not only handsome but historical should have meant it was protected by some sort of heritage bylaws. And you may well be right about your theory as to this demolition being an indicator of how much value MUM puts on other religions. However, it is for sure an indication of a lack of aesthetic sensibility on their part which is a kind of sin in my opinion. MIU's campus had so many beautiful heritage buildings on site when I was there including the oldest library west of the Mississippi. And yet, I think they probably tore them all down to build these ersatz Golden Age Atrocities resembling a cross between ancient Greek, Roman and some strange Colonial-inspired East Indian architecture. Talk about carbuncles erected amid the Iowa cornfields. So much for integrating seamlessly into the native landscape. Sort of like erecting a Disneyland in Europe - I mean if that isn't enough to make your head spin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno - no one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee. Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone can say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally fantasized diatribe but it's cute and hilarious. Ravi, I am bypassing your self-appointed desk lackey (laughinggull) to communicate directly in my usual cold-hearted and distant fashion. My purpose on being at FFL is to clarify my experience. It would be ludicrous for me to be a guru. I normally do not feel a need to vent my frustrations here, as seems to be a common practice. However if you need asinine platitudes, I suppose I could make up a few for you. 'Those who wash the right sock before the left will be left behind.' 'Those who wash the left sock before the right will be right behind.' What percent of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: What has Replaced It
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Here is a building disguised as a space ship or perhaps it is a large, perfectly formed breast. Maybe in hard times it will house soybeans or corn. I am not sure if the surrounding fence is to keep people in or people out. This building is not sure if it wants to represent some sort of Colonial facade or a pagoda. What the hell, it can be both! A tree-lined drive leading to the Fairfield Correctional Facility - no wait! This is the Ayurvedic Center. Are we in Greece? Are we in India? Did three architects combine plans for this one? And the white picket fence just takes me back to small town America. No wait! I think we're in Vegas, where you can look out from on top of the Eiffel Tower across the street to Bellagio Italy and see the Chrysler Building kitty corner to that! Now if this doesn't get your aesthetic sensibilities salivating I don't know what will. I mean, these could double as Hampton Inns. The only thing missing is the No Vacancy sign and the semis in the parking lot. I had a good time, I hope you all did too! When they built the domes, they didn't waterproof the foundations, and when the heavy rains hit in the summer of 1993, the basement of the mens dome filled with mold to the extent that my breathing would halt as soon as I stepped in the door. So, I'd take a big breath, walk in, take off my shoes, and get upstairs as quickly as possible. The air upstairs in the dome wasn't as bad as the basement, but I'd get a headache from being in there. The only reason I was even in the dome is because Petra wanted me to go, and that summer was my breaking point. Thus ended my toil with the TMSP. As for the chapel, when I went to MIU, that was where meditators had to meditate. It was cold, drafty, and moldy, and the wooden pews were very uncomfortable. I have no fond memories of that place, and I was perfectly content with it being torn down. I'm not fond of the masculine, angular architecture of most MSV buildings in FF, but if they're solidly built, well insulated, with good HVAC and no mold, I'd take that, regardless of aesthetics, over some nasty, poorly built or old and dilapidated, mold-filled piece of crap.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What has Replaced It
I'd like to thank Alex for being the moderator of this Sunday's edition of Face the Situation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: When they built the domes, they didn't waterproof the foundations, and when the heavy rains hit in the summer of 1993, the basement of the mens dome filled with mold to the extent that my breathing would halt as soon as I stepped in the door. So, I'd take a big breath, walk in, take off my shoes, and get upstairs as quickly as possible. The air upstairs in the dome wasn't as bad as the basement, but I'd get a headache from being in there. The only reason I was even in the dome is because Petra wanted me to go, and that summer was my breaking point. Thus ended my toil with the TMSP. As for the chapel, when I went to MIU, that was where meditators had to meditate. It was cold, drafty, and moldy, and the wooden pews were very uncomfortable. I have no fond memories of that place, and I was perfectly content with it being torn down. I'm not fond of the masculine, angular architecture of most MSV buildings in FF, but if they're solidly built, well insulated, with good HVAC and no mold, I'd take that, regardless of aesthetics, over some nasty, poorly built or old and dilapidated, mold-filled piece of crap.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What has Replaced It
http://youtu.be/6sdVx5gQz6w --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: I'd like to thank Alex for being the moderator of this Sunday's edition of Face the Situation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: When they built the domes, they didn't waterproof the foundations, and when the heavy rains hit in the summer of 1993, the basement of the mens dome filled with mold to the extent that my breathing would halt as soon as I stepped in the door. So, I'd take a big breath, walk in, take off my shoes, and get upstairs as quickly as possible. The air upstairs in the dome wasn't as bad as the basement, but I'd get a headache from being in there. The only reason I was even in the dome is because Petra wanted me to go, and that summer was my breaking point. Thus ended my toil with the TMSP. As for the chapel, when I went to MIU, that was where meditators had to meditate. It was cold, drafty, and moldy, and the wooden pews were very uncomfortable. I have no fond memories of that place, and I was perfectly content with it being torn down. I'm not fond of the masculine, angular architecture of most MSV buildings in FF, but if they're solidly built, well insulated, with good HVAC and no mold, I'd take that, regardless of aesthetics, over some nasty, poorly built or old and dilapidated, mold-filled piece of crap.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take two:Everything below is my POV
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Judy for the record, your objections to my other post were either based on your lack of familiarity with Maharishi's experiential goals for his programs beyond the beginner level of instruction, (never attended an experience grading group) Let's avoid your attempt at context-shifting here and look instead at these quotes: (mercy snip of Curtis's devious context-shifting misrepresentation of my comment about his context-shifting, which successfully fooled one of his acolytes; dealt with in an earlier post of mine) It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having [in meditation]. The experience of enlightenment IN activity is the goal of the practice. Both are quotes from your posts to me in our discussion. They are contradictory. Are you able to acknowledge this? Seriously, you are hung up on this? This different contexts are unclear to you? Even knowing that my whole point was about having peak experiences so pleasurable that they bypass the action achievement fulfillment cycle might have a downside? Your syntax is muddled here. But you've also shifted the context so as to avoid the point I was making. This is a prefect example of what I mean by the different knowledge base between teachers and TM practicers. After I clarify this you will know exactly what I mean. We shall see. Let's use Maharishi's favorite teaching tool. The goal of Olympic weightlifting is to bench press over 500 pounds ten times. The goal of Olympic weightlifting is to get a medal at the Olympics. Are these contradictory? Well, they're both *wrong*. Olympic weightlifting competitions involve the snatch and the clean-and-jerk. You're probably thinking of powerlifting, also a competitive sport. In both cases, though, as far as I can tell, winning a competition involves the total amount of weight lifted in one's class, not completing specific numbers of lifts of more than a specific weight a specific number of times. So I'm afraid this doesn't work as an analogy (even if it was Maharishi's). Now, I could be wrong, but it looks to me as though you aren't going to be able to find a suitable analogy, at least in sports competition. I think what you're always going to end up with is that the first type of goal has to do with training for the second type of goal rather than being a goal in and of itself. But let's see if you can come up with something that really is analogous. (If he responds to this post Curtis will, of course, accuse me of hair-splitting and nit-picking. That will be yet another of his attempts to shift the context. If he wants to use an analogy to clarify something, there has to be a significant parallel element. In this case, it's just the words that are parallel; the substance--the very thing he wants to clarify--is not.) The rest of what you say here is interesting in and of itself, but fundamentally a non sequitur in terms of the point I was making, a massive attempt at context-shifting. So I'm going to leave it in but not comment. One of the main things that teachers learn is that meditators can't be trusted with the full perspective of Maharishi's teaching. It is doled out very carefully. So when teaching a meditator it is critical to never give the impression that the meditation itself has an experiential goal or they might try to manipulate the practice to achieve it, or become a pain in the ass if they have not by complaining about it. So meditators are fed only enough information so that they will be good little mindless doobies and repeat their mantras without any expectations. But in the context of Maharishi's full teaching is there a goal to the meditation itself? Yeah it does and that is the experience of clear witnessing of the transcending process. It also turns out that this state is highly pleasurable which was my whole point. When I sit to meditate my brain goes into a state of extremely high reward. My post was an essay on my ambivalence about its value to my life comparing it to the different perspectives I have had about it. On TTC and even on my sidhis courses among others we sat in groups and evaluated our experiences grading them from A clear transcending most of meditation, B Transcending sometimes, and C foggy. This is important if you want to do any techniques that require you to be in a state of mind other than thinking about how hot the chick who sits in front of you looks in yoga pants. (I mean really, you can see her thong.) So on courses where Maharishi is no longer afraid that you will mess up your TM he discussed experiences of meditation, and yes, clear transcending is actually better than
