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Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 07/01/17 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 07/08/17 00:00:00 16 messages as of (UTC) 07/02/17 21:24:49 5 hepa7 4 dhamiltony2k5 2 email4you mikemail4you 2 William Leed WLeed3 1 jr_esq 1 FairfieldLife 1 'My Enlightenment Delusion' myenlightenmentdelusion Posters: 7 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Man is a being of light??
Is it a coincidence that the Hebrew word for light, namely or, is almost like Sanskrit om? http://www.mechon-mamre.org/mp3/t0101.mp3 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/mp3/t0101.mp3 0:30 -> vayomer (and said) elohim (God[s]): yehi (let there be) or (light), vaihi (and there was) or (light).
[FairfieldLife] Man is a being of light??
http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html FWIW: samaana-jayaaj jvalanam! (Google: samanajayaj jvalanam)
[FairfieldLife] Trump Beats Up CNN
in his tweet today. Is this the new political ploy that the POTUS is using for the Internet Age? If successful, Trump may have started a new phase in American history. Serious or not, I thought it was hilarious. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tweets-video-slamming-punching-cnn-145733032.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tweets-video-slamming-punching-cnn-145733032.html
[FairfieldLife] ‘Night of Laughter & Song’ at Kennedy Center
http://wtop.com/entertainment/2017/06/videos-seinfeld-leno-headline-a-night-of-laughter-song-at-kennedy-center/slide/1/Jerry Seinfeld, Jay Leno, Hugh Jackman and Katie Couric were among the celebrities at the Kennedy Center's "Night of Laughter & Song" event to benefit the David Lynch Foundation.
[FairfieldLife] Consciousness and Indian music!
“Consciousness depends on harmonic vibrations located in microtubules inside neurons, much like certain types of Indian music, but not like music from the western culture.” Read more: http://themindunleashed.com/2017/07/quantum-vibrations-brain-consciousness.html http://themindunleashed.com/2017/07/quantum-vibrations-brain-consciousness.html
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: My Hometown Is Gone.
The assumptions here delineated are JUST OVER over 75 % correct I note ! for further unclassified details email mein respect & more can then follow! Col RET lEED -Original Message- From: Tom Atwood To: rcarrington ; lmc3 ; jahodges ; Everett15 ; dftwyman ; marco.boyce ; rwball ; tgh6 ; Egurry ; kim.fourman ; wleed3 ; bgil7007 Sent: Sat, Jul 1, 2017 8:13 pm Subject: Re: My Hometown Is Gone. The CPS worker who investigated me was Muslim. So let me just summarize: the social worker at the school is Muslim, the administrator who ok’s homeschooling is Muslim, the CPS worker is Muslim, the nurse practitioner at the ER is Muslim, the doctor at the ER is Muslim. These are positions of authority that wield a lot of power. Are you starting to get the picture? Yeah! The picture is that we've avoided public spending on education for years, so that now more and more key jobs now are necessarily going to people who come from outside the US. But, of course, it's a win-win situation. The politicians who won elections by reducing education spending can now win more elections by being outraged at the number of Muslims and other foreigners who are in those key jobs. And people do go right on voting for those clowns! Tom -Original Message- From: rcarrington To: Logan M Cheek III ; jahodges ; Keith Alan Everett ; David F. Twyman ; Marco Boyce, RLA, ASLA ; rwball ; tgh6 ; Emily Cheek Gurry RN ; Kimberly G. and Brian Fourman ; George Thomas Atwood Ph. D. ; wleed3 ; bgil7007 Sent: Sat, Jul 1, 2017 5:26 pm Subject: Re: My Hometown Is Gone. Sad intolerant person... assumes the worst of people who aren’t of her old Catholic background. They just must be up to no good So let me just summarize: the social worker at the school is Muslim, the administrator who ok’s homeschooling is Muslim, the CPS worker is Muslim, the nurse practitioner at the ER is Muslim, the doctor at the ER is Muslim. These are positions of authority that wield a lot of power. Are you starting to get the picture? From: Logan M Cheek III Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 12:04 PM To: jahod...@aol.com ; Keith Alan Everett ; David F. Twyman ; Marco Boyce, RLA, ASLA ; rwb...@earthlink.net ; t...@frontiernet.net ; Emily Cheek Gurry RN ; Kimberly G. and Brian Fourman ; George Thomas Atwood Ph. D. ; Robert Andrew Salamida ; wle...@aol.com ; Rick Carrington ; bgil7...@verizon.net Subject: My Hometown Is Gone. Interesting blog from a Cornell alum, forwarded from a cousin of mine in Cincinnati. http://thermidormag.com/my-hometown-is-gone/ Don't think she acquired this mentality from her days on the Hill. Logan Sent from my iPhone=
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charismatic Spiritual
Wow! There are so many books! I was unaware of Prophetic Charisma. I wrote My Enlightenment Delusion from my TM experience and from my conjecture without having done much research. Prophetic Charisma by Len Oakes seems to agree with what I wrote about “guru maniacs”. The following quote is from https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/113-71-73.pdf: “To the extent that prophets are mentally ill, Oakes believes narcissism to be one cause. Narcissism places the prophet at the center of a world that exists for the prophet's pleasure. This unusual, self-focused world promotes insanity It also demands a high degree of creativity Hence, Oakes agrees with Lany Foster, a Mormon historian, that Joseph Smith suffered from manic depression, which contributed to Smith's high degree of creativity.” >From my book: “I am using the phrase “guru maniac” to describe a person who >along with having delusions of grandiosity during a kundalini crisis also >happens to have the charisma, the gift of gab, and the ability to carry out a >tactical strategy to attract followers. Most guru maniacs have an uncommon >intellectual ability which they use to impress potential followers. The phrase “spiritual maniac” describes a person who is different from a guru maniac. A spiritual maniac has delusions of grandiosity related to a kundalini crisis, but doesn’t have the necessary traits mentioned above to become a guru. A spiritual maniac is more likely to end up in a mental hospital whereas a guru maniac can talk themselves out of just about any predicament. I did not possess the charisma or eloquence to become a guru maniac, but even I flirted with the possibility of becoming a guru when I had my kundalini crisis. That is the manic symptom of over-self-confidence. Since the guru maniac has the lexicon of spiritual literature, he likely sees his kundalini crisis as being a legitimate higher state of consciousness. Thinking that one is enlightened is grandiose thinking. A guru maniac has the ability to master the enormous quantity of intellectual blather that has accumulated in religions and yogic traditions over centuries. Being able to speak about the mishmash of ancient wisdom allows a guru maniac to speak with credibility and authority. Whereas most psychotic maniacs may have friends, family, and medical doctors letting the maniac know that they are delusional, guru maniacs probably do not have anyone telling them they are delusional. Instead the followers of a guru maniac legitimatize the grandiosity that the guru maniac sees in himself. And the guru maniac sees his grandiose self-esteem validated through his own interpretations of spiritual literature. If a guru maniac could see that his thoughts were grandiose delusions, he would lose his towering self-worth, but a guru maniac is unlikely to recognize his own delusions. As time passes, guru maniacs adapt physiologically and mentally to their kundalini crisis. They are able to have one foot in their grandiose delusion and one foot in the world shared with other people. Guru maniacs learn to keep some of their delusions to themselves in order to keep themselves presentable to followers. Guru maniacs walk the line between hiding their innermost thoughts and sharing their grandiose ideas about themselves. It is easy to understand how guru maniacs enjoy having followers who not only adore them, but are also willing to serve them. Having followers must be the ultimate pick-me-up. Guru maniacs eat up the attention and the power of having followers. Like celebrities and powerful people, guru maniacs have often abused followers related to money, sex, and power. Abuse from guru maniacs is particularly maddening because guru maniacs espouse spiritual principles that are supposed to aid moral living. I propose that after a guru maniac easily receives respect, admiration, and service from followers, the guru maniac can lose his moral compass. The guru maniac starts to think that he can do anything. Are all founders of religions and spiritual movements guru maniacs? It would seem to have gall to share original ideas on spiritual matters. Almost by definition, spiritual matters are beyond perception and comprehension, but even so, some people come along to declare things as facts concerning the previously unknowable realm. Founding or changing a religion would take a real gutsy person, or if not a gutsy person, a person in the midst of a manic episode with delusions. A founder of a religion would have to speak with great authority, intensity, and persuasiveness in order to get followers, and these happen to be the qualities of a guru maniac. When under the influence of mania, a guru maniac thinks he can do anything, and with his charisma, he can do amazing things. When I hear about either ancient or modern people who have spiritual visions or who hear from God, I think they had a grandiose delusion from a kundalini crisis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?
e-mail, The way to address ethics is not to talk ethics. The way to address ethics is to address management (cultivated upbringing and as personal self-discipline). Management and ethics go together. When you handle one, you handle the other. So I don't preach, I focus on mgmt. Poor ethics goes along w poor mgmt, and when mgmt improves, the energy field is uplifted and ethics improve. Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation of empathy and compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY. Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic tendencies. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’.. FW: a narrative: “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the wife, and told me that the saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him. Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but in practice, these often need to be treated as two. Otherwise, one ends in the mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’ appreciated and guided. “ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : .. Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs. From us they say comes evil, but through their own perversity are more than is their due they meet with sorrow. Forewarned, for vengeance follows. The opening council, Paraphrasing, -Homer, The Odyssey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and the guy subsequently left Fairfield. Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time ago is still separated and about. In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of money from people in investment scams. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Would be, communal norms.. Yifuxero writes: The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong? Doesn't make sense. ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree of Conscionable-ness. Conscionable = Dharmic? I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to purchase a beach-front property in FL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the processes may not necessarily appear transparent. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Conscionable .. Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM? “Not right or reasonable” “Unreasonably excessive” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unconscionable M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”. Are there things Reprehensible, in TM? Synonyms for Reprehensible: deplorable https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&biw=1082&bih=462&q=define+deplorable&forcedict=deplorable&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHDAA, disgraceful https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&biw=1082&bih=462&q=define+disgraceful&forcedict=disgraceful&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEw
[FairfieldLife] Re: Profile on Bob Roth in today's (6/30/17) Wall St. Journal
This is a remarkable ‘comeback story’ in cultural relevance for ™. Some few savvy and capable old field ™ teachers along with Bobby Roth heading out to make ™ relevant again. Like some very few teachers in the later 1960’s fanning out to present and teach ™ around the country then. After some focused work and fruitful fortune meditating came to be right in the middle of things then. Bobby Roth and some of the people around him are remarkable beings in their vision and capacities in life this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.wsj.com/articles/ transcendental-meditation-for- everyone-1498842465 https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcendental-meditation-for-everyone-1498842465 Transcendental Meditation for Everyone Bob Roth, chief executive of the David Lynch Foundation, teaches transcendental meditation to a range of students, from elementary-school children to CEOs Photo: Chris Sorensen for The Wall Street Journal https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcendental-meditation-for-everyone-1498842465 By Alexandra Wolfe June 30, 2017 1:07 p.m. ET Bob Roth knows his field sounds a little like “woowoo” spirituality, as he says. But as a teacher of transcendental meditation, he now works with a wide-ranging clientele that includes celebrities such as Katy Perry and Jerry Seinfeld, hedge-fund managers, inner-city students, prisoners and veterans. He has the same goal for everyone: to teach them the virtues of T.M., as it’s called—a practice that involves silently reciting a mantra over and over for 15 to 20 minutes twice a day. Proponents say that the practice reduces stress and raises self-awareness. Bridgewater founder and co-chairman Ray Dalio, a student of Mr. Roth’s for more than a decade and a donor to the foundation, is a believer. The practice has been “integral to whatever success I’ve had in life,” he says. “It makes one feel like…a ninja in a movie, like you’re doing everything calmly and in slow motion.” Mr. Roth, 66, is chief executive of the David Lynch Foundation, a nonprofit he co-founded with the film director in 2005 that is dedicated to teaching transcendental meditation, particularly to at-risk populations, “to improve their health, cognitive capabilities and performance in life,” as the foundation’s website says. Some of its funds come from teaching courses to companies and individuals; a four-day training course costs up to $960 a person. The foundation has 60 employees in the U.S. as well as partners in 35 countries. In early June, Mr. Roth opened the nonprofit’s first office in Washington, D.C., where he says he is currently teaching a dozen members of Congress. His organization has also been participating in studies in prisons recently. In a study published last year http://www.thepermanentejournal.org/issues/search/results/43-the-permanente-journal/original-research-and-contributions/6227-reduced-trauma-symptoms-and-perceived-stress-in-male-prison-inmates-through-the-transcendental-meditation-program-a-randomized-controlled-trial.html in the Permanente Journal, 181 male inmates at the Oregon State Correctional Institute and the Oregon State Penitentiary in Salem either took a transcendental meditation program through the foundation or did nothing outside their usual routine. The researchers found greater reductions in anxiety, depression and trauma symptoms in the group that had taken meditation. Mr. Roth finds an analogy in the sea. “The ocean can be active and turbulent on the surface, sometimes with tsunami-like 30-foot waves, but is, by its nature, silent at its depth,” he says. “The surface of the mind is the active, noisy, thinking mind—often racing, noisy, hyperactive, turbulent. But like the ocean, the mind of everyone is quiet, calm, silent at its depth.” T.M. was developed in India by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a physicist turned meditation teacher, in the 1950s; it gained popularity in the 1960s when he worked with the Beatles and other celebrities. The son of a doctor and a teacher, Mr. Roth dreamed of being a senator when he was young. He started meditating in college at the University of California, Berkeley, after a friend suggested it as a way to relax amid the student riots on campus. He was skeptical at first but soon became hooked. After he graduated in 1972, he started teaching meditation to children in inner-city schools in San Francisco. A few years later, he traveled to Europe to study under Maharishi Mahesh Yogi before returning to California to continue teaching over the next decade. In 1982, he moved to Washington, D.C., where he eventually met Mr. Lynch, the director of “Blue Velvet” and “Twin Peaks,” who had taken up the practice in the 1970s. “If you are a human being, [transcendental meditation] works,” says Mr. Lynch. Contrary to what you might expect for a meditation teacher, Mr. Roth often wears a suit with a crisp white shirt. (More predictably, he has a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Statistical Truth, The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
Good to see that in the end you have reconciled all this skepticism of the published science of meditation in meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Comments below in text. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Statistical Truth, The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! People ‘claim’ things like: One: “..the movement's confirmation-bias tainted research”. Confirmation-bias may be a fault of some of the earlier research but evidently not of the replicating studies done in more recent times. That there might have been some confirmation bias in some of the research does not invalidate all the science published on meditating. There is a lot of discussion and rebuttal about this for open minds to consider at TruthaboutTM.org TruthaboutTM.org is a die hard TM site by David Orme-Johnson. It is not in any way scientifically neutral. Anyone who strongly believes that what Maharishi says is true will have a hard time constructing research that is neutral. If you take the position that everything Maharishi said is false, that too would likely create a situation that would taint research, although if you really try to prove some hypothesis false and it survives all those tests, the hypothesis will be in a much better position to be accepted. Social research with large groups is notoriously hard to control properly. Two: “..Maharishi did not even really know if this coherence effect would really work, as it seemed to be based on a rather loose association of a statement by Patanjali with a coherence effect in physics.” The process of science includes taking observation, making hypothesis about observations and then testing the hypothesis. Maharishi was at that the whole time in process from very early on when he left India to go out and teach meditation until his final days. Throughout his long career he would use the large facility of the ™ movement to advance science by this process of from observation making, to hypothesis and testing it. This was large thinking of an inquiring mind. The disgruntled and disaffected may feel and gripe otherwise about him for their own reasons but what he did in persistence at advancing broadly the science on meditation in the last half of the 20th Century and into the 21St Century was monumental in its developmental way. But how you test the hypothesis is the key. That is the brain buster. You not only have to test ways that might show it is right, but also test in ways that would show it is wrong. The ME effect has not been tested this way. One of the problems is non-movement scientists are not horribly interested in this research, as they would likely be more likely to attack both the philosophical explanation and discover experimental flaws in the experimental design. David Orme-Johnson has resisted all attempts by other scientists to get access his raw data for the ME. He is retired now, so of course, not actively pursuing any of this with new research. One thing that would need to be explained is why MUM seems to be doing so poorly while being the center of the alleged positive effects in question. As a university it is a decaying shell of its glory days. Hypothetically the movement explains the Maharishi Effect as a unified field effect, yet there is no accepted unified field theory in science yet. There are many candidates, but none have any experimental evidence to confirm or deny them except those theories that predict the decay of the proton. Experiments have shown no proton decay, which makes Hagelin's flipped SU5 theory unlikely to be true as it predicts proton decay. The movement science overlooks other possible explanations that are not unified field based, such as a magnetic effect, an electromagnetic effect, a chemical effect, social-behavioral effects, and even, there is no effect. Scientific explanations do not start with explanations based on what we have not yet figured out or discovered to be likely true, but on explanations that are currently accepted and then the discoveries grow out from that. Saying the Maharishi effect is unified field based means scientists have nothing to test so it provides no theoretical way to understand the theory. My own experience is there is something going on in those groups, but it could well be the explanation is not what we are being told. It could even be just credulity or gullibility, but this could not be the entire explanation as there are group effects in any group. It is just figuring out what they are. There are many kinds of social phenomena where groups with a common belief get together and act more or less like an organic whole, not all positive. Riots for example. How does this behavior spread so quickly? One could
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charismatic Spiritual
Shakti, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "In using charisma to explain social change and heroic leaders, Weber did not intend merely to invent a dry academic term. Rather, he saw charisma as representing the incarnate life force itself, "the thrust of the sap in the tree and the blood in the veins," an elemental or daemonic power (Dow 1978)." -Prophetic Charisma.. Intro. Book Review: Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation for the Castaneda Phenomenon http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation f... http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation for the 'Castaneda Phenomenon' Introduction by Corey Donovan View on sustainedaction.org http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What of charisma, spiritually? Where is TM with charisma? Evidently it would seem that TM's charisma is now "dispersed and routinized, ..and not necessarily as great a force for social change," .. 'routinized', by this way of thinking: Prophetic Charisma: The Psychology of Revolutionary Religious Personalities (1997) by Len Oakes Introduction by Corey Donovan What is this thing called charisma? [T]he idea of a divinely inspired power or talent is as old as mankind. The oldest surviving work of fiction, the Epic of Gilgamesh, tells of a warrior-king, part god and part man, who quests for the secret of eternal life. He has many adventures in the lands of the gods, and even attains that which he seeks, only to have it torn from his grasp at the last moment. He returns home convinced of the futility of his quest and knowing that "the central fact of my life is my death" (Kopp 1972, 31; Heidel 1968). The word "charisma" comes from the name of the Greek goddess Charis, who personified grace, beauty, purity, and altruism. Possession of these faculties came to be known as charisma. [Footnote: The Greek word is charizesthai, and it means favor or gift of divine origin. The Greeks do not seem to have associated this with the kind of demagogic and irrational leadership of which Plato wrote in his Gorgias, although they were well aware of the rhapsodic "Dionysian" aspect of life; Plato was a member of the Elysian mystery cult. For Aristotle the megalopsychos was the great man who dares to live alone in secret worship of his own soul. The Romans called the hero’s charismatic power facilitas and believed it was derived from the gods.] Later usages derive from St. Paul, who saw it as a gift of grace from God: "To one there is given through the spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same spirit, to another faith by the same spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy" (1 Corinthians 12:8-10). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : charisma? There are scholarly teachers, gurus who teach technique, and saints who give help and can directly transform people. With any one or in combination (scholars, gurus, saints) then what is the experience of charisma and where is the TMO now with charisma? Charisma evidently can fluctuate in time in people and movements. What is charisma? One author (Oakes) talks about 'prophetic charisma', on a different continuum than what we may see as narcissism, or narcissistic personalities and disorders. "Pure charisma thus is personal and is based on face-to-face contact and feelings of trust, duty, and love on the part of the followers (Schweitzer 1984, 33). It is creative and revolutionary, for "in its pure form charisma . . . may be said to exist only in the process of originating" (Weber 1964, 364). At the other end of the continuum, routinized charisma describes what happens when a leader’s charisma is thinly dispersed throughout the followers who act in the leader’s name, typically after he has died. It may survive many generations and underlie a stable social order, but it is conservative and is not a force for social change (Miyahara 1983, 370)." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Nine years on, I'd exhale if I were them.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ollie, yours seems a fair critique of the situation here by comparison. The True-believers of the TM meditating community are hopeful that Dr. Nader is that person though he is not too available to be experienced or quoted unless you have the money to be on courses with him. Those who have been with him seem to ‘like’ him. It remains to be more widely s