[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
how revealing..WOW you got me serving you...u... You do know now what was in the drinks ??Do you? Does it not, would it not endanger U.S. and FFL security, should not an injunction to stop publication of the documents and pic sought? Isn't that not too early to reveal?FBI and CIA beware http://inthearena.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/10/secret-nixon-tapes-expert-ken\ -hughes-at-the-release-of-the-pentagon-papers-forty-years-ago-richard-ni\ xon-was-gleeful-and-fearful/ http://tinyurl.com/5t46p6m --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: thx, I was there at that time. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NC4d7MFA2Mk/SkTMbp3i99I/BlQ/JoxhxVDrbM\ k/s400/Louis+Wain+Cat+Postcard+Playing+Cards.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Buck,thanks for sharing this... magical Roll up (AND) THAT'S AN INVITATION, roll up for the mystery tour. Roll up TO MAKE A RESERVATION, roll up for the mystery tour. The magical mystery tour is waiting to take you away, Waiting to take you away. Hoping to take you away. Dying to take you away, take you today
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: [...] That, after all, was the message of the first talk I ever heard Maharishi give. It's just too bad that he either was lying about what he said, or didn't believe it thoroughly enough to follow through on it in his own teachings, and with his own students. If he had, the world might have been a much better place, and they would certainly have been much stronger human beings. Instead, just as he said in that first talk, he wound up making them weaker. The elders ofd the various AMerican Indian tribes who are encouraging their people to learn TM might object to your characterization of MMY's message. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. I went to the memorial service on MUM campus last nite. For Lilian Wallace, the Wallace family matriarch. Very much an old TM/MUM trustees event, and some of us other old-timers who have been around all alongside of this who are not TM-Rajas. Very nice evening of primarily the Wallace family reminiscing about Lilian Wallace. She was a very large personality that was along the whole way behind the scenes of the TM-movement by virtue of Keith Wallace and Peter. In character it seems she was a glamorous strong willed person of the mid-20th century. I know her first in California at one of the Humbolt courses with Maharishi. Was a big course with well over a thousand people. Most of us sat in a field house on folding chairs for the lectures. Up front was an area of stuffed chairs set out for the rich ladies from southern California. They were the supporters of the 1960's. They were of that generation. 'Made-up' and dolled up they were taken care of up there. Initially Lillian it seems was brought in and introduced to TM and maharishi by her kids, Peter and Keith, she was of that time. The speakers at the memorial spoke stories of those times and her life. It was fun. Especially was Peter going on about he and his mom being with old Yogananda followers, learning kriya meditation and practices early on, Buddhism, and going to india and being with saints there. Anandamayi Ma. Peter was warm and animated. On the other side of the stage while Peter waxes on about visiting saints in India are Bevan and Keith stoically listening. It was a moment. Patronage. Was interesting to see the room, staging, and relationship of the Wallace clan to it. Keith is first scientist of the TM-order. He is not MUM, not a Raja neither. Bevan is evidently powerful. In the greeting of folks there was some ring-kissing demonstrations of fealty with Bevan going on as well as chit-chat. What do you mean ring-kissing? Can you be specific? The position of the Wallaces is a special place, emeritus in a way by virtue of Bevan evidently. Bevan batted clean up as speaker and gave a nice statement drawing on a principle. It was nice and enlarging. I've gone to a lot of memorials of the meditating community the last few of years. Mostly the folks who would attend are the closer friends or co-workers of the deceased. Something I was noticing about some of the memorials is that even with some of the most true-blue rank and file people who have been around making things happen by deed of their work or money, often the level of this upper movement is not present with the families and friends of the deceased at memorials within the meditating community. This particular memorial was of the Taliban-class of the TM-movement. Evidently as a class they were present for this. It wasn't necessarily large. In looking, the two people who were particularly lit of the whole group were Craig Pearson and Susan Humphreys. Hopefully they can outlive the larger force of being there and usher a new feeling to the group. It's a pretty cold group. Lord help 'em. - Buck in FF He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Oh my goodness - that's it exactly. --- On Wed, 6/22/11, whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 11:07 AM Yeah, not to lose ourselves, good advice. Ironically it is when things are not working for us that we decide to find the answers somewhere else and have more of a willingness to accept anything, no matter how irrational it may seem in a more self-confident moment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Re: the original message - this would be my concern about Amma and her org as well - she appears to be devolving from the original message and executing controlling directives that result in dependencies in many. Â Let alone the $$ coming in - a 21st century tithe strategy. Â Magical thinking and magical stories abound..lessons... don't lose yourself in someone or something else and each of us is responsible for our own spiritual growth. --- On Wed, 6/22/11, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:12 AM Â Enjoyed your blast from the past Curtis - I can totally see the judgment on the dark spirit who was banished from the scene by Maharishi's effulgence, now in retrospect realizing the poor guy probably just had to pee - too many mango smoothies that morningand the chosen Governors remained... I was not part of the reinforced indoctrination that the Governors received, but definitely bought into the absolute perfection of our dear leader. Though I recall at the time I also took seriously the Jai Guru Dev thing, respect the teacher, so I really didn't feel Maharishi was my personal guru, rather a perfect teacher (for awhile). The difference being I never had nor wanted a personal relationship with him, beyond the big Maharishi posters on my dorm walls (I did work for the MMY Press, but it was still a pretty groupie thing to do...). I never had a chance to meet him. So I hung on his every word and worked for the Movement for two and a half years. Then when it became time to take a closer look and consider becoming a teacher myself, I decided to leave instead. Just wasn't going to work out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II1BkpX03-M --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: thx, I was there at that time. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NC4d7MFA2Mk/SkTMbp3i99I/BlQ/JoxhxVDrbMk/s400/Louis+Wain+Cat+Postcard+Playing+Cards.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Buck,thanks for sharing this... magical Roll up (AND) THAT'S AN INVITATION, roll up for the mystery tour. Roll up TO MAKE A RESERVATION, roll up for the mystery tour. The magical mystery tour is waiting to take you away, Waiting to take you away. Hoping to take you away. Dying to take you away, take you today --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. I went to the memorial service on MUM campus last nite. For Lilian Wallace, the Wallace family matriarch. Very much an old TM/MUM trustees event, and some of us other old-timers who have been around all alongside of this who are not TM-Rajas. Very nice evening of primarily the Wallace family reminiscing about Lilian Wallace. She was a very large personality that was along the whole way behind the scenes of the TM-movement by virtue of Keith Wallace and Peter. In character it seems she was a glamorous strong willed person of the mid-20th century. I know her first in California at one of the Humbolt courses with Maharishi. Was a big course with well over a thousand people. Most of us sat in a field house on folding chairs for the lectures. Up front was an area of stuffed chairs set out for the rich ladies from southern California. They were the supporters of the 1960's. They were of that generation. 'Made-up' and dolled up they were taken care of up there. Initially Lillian it seems was brought in and introduced to TM and maharishi by her kids, Peter and Keith, she was of that time. The speakers at the memorial spoke stories of those times and her life. It was fun. Especially was Peter going on about he and his mom being with old Yogananda followers, learning kriya meditation and practices early on, Buddhism, and going to india and being with saints there. Anandamayi Ma. Peter was warm and animated. On the other side of the stage while Peter waxes on about visiting saints in India are Bevan and Keith stoically listening. It was a moment. Patronage. Was interesting to see the room, staging, and relationship of the Wallace clan to it. Keith is first scientist of the TM-order. He is not MUM, not a Raja neither. Bevan is evidently powerful. In the greeting of folks there was some ring-kissing demonstrations of fealty with Bevan going on as well as chit-chat. The position of the Wallaces is a special place, emeritus in a way by virtue of Bevan evidently. Bevan batted clean up as speaker and gave a nice statement drawing on a principle. It was nice and enlarging. I've gone to a lot of memorials of the meditating community the last few of years. Mostly the folks who would attend are the closer friends or co-workers of the deceased. Something I was noticing about some of the memorials is that even with some of the most true-blue rank and file people who have been around making things happen by deed of their work or money, often the level of this upper movement is not present with the families and friends of the deceased at memorials within the meditating community. This particular memorial was of the Taliban-class of the TM-movement. Evidently as a class they were present for this. It wasn't necessarily large. In looking, the two people who were particularly lit of the whole group were Craig Pearson and Susan Humphreys. Hopefully they can outlive the larger force of being there and usher a new feeling to the group. It's a pretty cold group. Lord help 'em. - Buck in FF He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a couple of years -- was an environment in which the students were taught to rely on him and what he told them to do. Being on the whole young and impressionable people in the 60's they may in fact have brought a lot of this tendency to rely on guru figures with them, but he allowed them to do so, and in fact encouraged it. He also encouraged magical thinking, the view that all you had to do was meditate and that if you did, and listened to what he told you to do, magical forces that were larger than you would take care of you and make everything turn out right. Do less and accomplish more, which in those early talks clearly meant Meditate and recharge your energy and your creativity and then go out and USE it by working more efficiently for the things you want turned into Just meditate and everything will be taken care of. Prag- matic thinking gave way to magical thinking. And look what the outcome of this reliance on magical thinking has produced. People who can no longer imagine solutions to the problems of hunger and war and violence that come from humans using their own intelligence and working towards pragmatic solutions. Instead, the only source that they can imagine a solution to these prob- lems coming from is magic, in the form of some Woo Woo Rays emanating from the thuds of their butts on foam, or from other, even more magical Woo Woo Rays emanating from some teacher or guru or avatar. Call me crazy but I miss the message of that first Maharishi talk. I am hopeful that the problems of this planet, both individual and worldwide, can in fact be resolved. But I don't believe that they can only be resolved by some magical force outside ourselves, or by Woo Woo Rays. I think that these problems can only be resolved by the pragmatic, creative ideas of indi- vidual human beings, creative ideas that are possibly enhanced by meditation and other practices, but *our* ideas, not those of some avatar or guru or spiritual teacher or other source of magical Woo Woo. That, after all, was the message of the first talk I ever heard Maharishi give. It's just too bad that he either was lying about what he said, or didn't believe it thoroughly enough to follow through on it in his own teachings, and with his own students. If he had, the world might have been a much better place, and they would certainly have been much stronger human beings. Instead, just as he said in that first talk, he wound up making them weaker.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a couple of years -- was an environment in which the students were taught to rely on him and what he told them to do. Being on the whole young and impressionable people in the 60's they may in fact have brought a lot of this tendency to rely on guru figures with them, but he allowed them to do so, and in fact encouraged it. He also encouraged magical thinking, the view that all you had to do was meditate and that if you did, and listened to what he told you to do, magical forces that were larger than you would take care of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
curtisdeltablues: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory... So, you're not prejudiced against Hindus? You were at the MMY Greek Theater talk in 1967? Go figure. A prejudice is a prejudgment, an assumption made about someone or something before having adequate knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: curtisdeltablues: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory... So, you're not prejudiced against Hindus? No, I am not. You were at the MMY Greek Theater talk in 1967? Go figure. No, I was not A prejudice is a prejudgment, an assumption made about someone or something before having adequate knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy... My judgements about Maharishi are all after experience with him. Plenty. I read his first book Mediations of Maharishi when I was 10 years old so it has been quite a while since I could be PREjudging him. But in the loose way the word is defined here it would apply to all of us talking about everyone. It is just a judgement call. I would rather see something in the definition about generalizing by type the experiences you have with one member of a group. That seem like the key point in how we use the term. I get along better with Hindus than most Americans due to my willingness to sing the puja for them. Blows their mind everytime! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a couple of years -- was an environment in which the students were taught to rely on him and what he told them to do. Being on the whole young and impressionable people in the 60's they may in fact have brought a lot of this tendency to rely on guru figures with them, but he allowed them to do so, and in fact encouraged it. He also encouraged magical thinking, the view that all you had to do was meditate and that if you did, and listened to what he told you to do, magical forces that were larger than you would take care of you and make everything turn out right. Do less and accomplish more, which in those early talks clearly meant Meditate and recharge your energy and your creativity and then go out and USE it by working more efficiently for the things you want turned into Just meditate and everything will be taken care of. Prag- matic thinking gave way to magical thinking. And look what the outcome of this reliance on magical thinking has produced. People who can no longer imagine solutions to the problems of hunger and war and violence that come from humans using their own intelligence and working towards pragmatic solutions. Instead, the only source that they can imagine a solution to these prob- lems coming from is magic, in the form of some Woo Woo Rays emanating from the thuds of their butts on foam, or from other, even more magical Woo Woo Rays emanating from some teacher or guru or avatar. Call me crazy but I miss the message of that first Maharishi talk. I am hopeful that the problems of this planet, both individual and worldwide, can in fact be resolved. But I don't believe that they can only be resolved
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Enjoyed your blast from the past Curtis - I can totally see the judgment on the dark spirit who was banished from the scene by Maharishi's effulgence, now in retrospect realizing the poor guy probably just had to pee - too many mango smoothies that morningand the chosen Governors remained... I was not part of the reinforced indoctrination that the Governors received, but definitely bought into the absolute perfection of our dear leader. Though I recall at the time I also took seriously the Jai Guru Dev thing, respect the teacher, so I really didn't feel Maharishi was my personal guru, rather a perfect teacher (for awhile). The difference being I never had nor wanted a personal relationship with him, beyond the big Maharishi posters on my dorm walls (I did work for the MMY Press, but it was still a pretty groupie thing to do...). I never had a chance to meet him. So I hung on his every word and worked for the Movement for two and a half years. Then when it became time to take a closer look and consider becoming a teacher myself, I decided to leave instead. Just wasn't going to work out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Nice. Self-sufficency is a curious beast. It is not me against the world. Meditation seems to result in a wider perspective, in which one experiences being in the flow of things, one experiences the connexions between things more intuitively, even if it is difficult or impossible to express just what that means conceptually. On the nearby level, a person still has to do things to get something done. One might get information from elsewhere, but the decision what to do with that information does not. One relies on others to the extent that one does not know something, or cannot physically accomplish certain tasks, say writing 1,000 articles in a couple of days; so one delegates responsibilities. As Harry Truman once said, 'The buck stops here.' The tendency for magical thinking does not seem to be erased by meditation; in my case a childhood interest in science reduced the propensity to dream this way, but whether meditation has had any effect in this direction, I cannot tell, as many people around me have a strong disposition for magical thinking, and they have been meditating longer than I. What is interesting is this kind of thinking persists even when experience and situations completely contradict it. It is a peculiar habit. Hope: the wish that a non-existent state of affairs not be that way. Maharishi said something like 'the millionaire must still push the pencil across the paper himself to write something.' Hope does not accomplish anything. One either does something (which involves thinking of what to do, being creative), or if the odds are too overwhelming, surrenders to the situation (e.g., one falls out of an aeroplane, having forgotten to put on a parachute, or not having one in the first place). It is curious how the movement turned out. Other teachers have also demanded unquestioned obedience in following their directives and thought. I wonder what sort of behaviour Swami Brahmananda Saraswati had in this regard, what the relationship between him and his students was. Did Maharishi adopt this behaviour from observation of others, or was it an intrinsic part of his personality. I of course do not know the answer to this question, not having been there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a couple of years -- was an environment in which the students were taught to rely on him and what he told them to do. Being on the whole young and impressionable people in the 60's they may in fact have brought a lot of this tendency to rely on guru figures with them, but he allowed them to do so, and in fact encouraged it. He also encouraged magical thinking, the view that all you had to do was meditate and that if you did, and listened to what he told you to do, magical forces that were larger than you would take care of you and make everything turn out right. Do less and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
The only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day turned out to be true. Or at least how little of it turned out to be what he actually taught and how he conducted himself as the years went on. Instead of the independence and self-sufficiency he touted in that first talk, what happened -- and within a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) RESPONSE: Goddamn, I loved this. More of reality gets contained in the mockery than in the beatific. The muse that inspires you to write like this, Curtis, it's a healthier and more discriminating muse than those muses which keep up the Vedic sentimentality. Hah! Nature support coming right at you from CurtisDeltaBlues. Dig it, folks. Because there ain't no defending what CDB rips open. Too fing innocent. Yeah, you heard me right: that's the word. For me the antidote is ironyand here, baby, you get the kind that clears mental space in the universe. Oh, yeah: I speak for myself herebut if you let yourself 'transcend' effortlessly (no concentration) you'll become a convert. I promise you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Thanks MZ, always a tough balance between satire and being a dick.If I got it right on this one for you, I am happy. One thing I know from reading un British censored Vedic texts, those old guys were much more comfortable with their bodies than the prudish movement. When they are rocking the level of analogy (remember this one) of a frog desiring water, a physician desiring disease (bastards!) and trouser trout desiring untrimmed bush, they are not on the same page as gender-free world of the Capitals of the Age of Enlightenment! (Angels don't have naughty parts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) RESPONSE: Goddamn, I loved this. More of reality gets contained in the mockery than in the beatific. The muse that inspires you to write like this, Curtis, it's a healthier and more discriminating muse than those muses which keep up the Vedic sentimentality. Hah! Nature support coming right at you from CurtisDeltaBlues. Dig it, folks. Because there ain't no defending what CDB rips open. Too fing innocent. Yeah, you heard me right: that's the word. For me the antidote is ironyand here, baby, you get the kind that clears mental space in the universe. Oh, yeah: I speak for myself herebut if you let yourself 'transcend' effortlessly (no concentration) you'll become a convert. I promise you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
Re: the original message - this would be my concern about Amma and her org as well - she appears to be devolving from the original message and executing controlling directives that result in dependencies in many. Let alone the $$ coming in - a 21st century tithe strategy. Magical thinking and magical stories abound..lessons... don't lose yourself in someone or something else and each of us is responsible for our own spiritual growth. --- On Wed, 6/22/11, whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:12 AM Enjoyed your blast from the past Curtis - I can totally see the judgment on the dark spirit who was banished from the scene by Maharishi's effulgence, now in retrospect realizing the poor guy probably just had to pee - too many mango smoothies that morningand the chosen Governors remained... I was not part of the reinforced indoctrination that the Governors received, but definitely bought into the absolute perfection of our dear leader. Though I recall at the time I also took seriously the Jai Guru Dev thing, respect the teacher, so I really didn't feel Maharishi was my personal guru, rather a perfect teacher (for awhile). The difference being I never had nor wanted a personal relationship with him, beyond the big Maharishi posters on my dorm walls (I did work for the MMY Press, but it was still a pretty groupie thing to do...). I never had a chance to meet him. So I hung on his every word and worked for the Movement for two and a half years. Then when it became time to take a closer look and consider becoming a teacher myself, I decided to leave instead. Just wasn't going to work out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking
I never went further in to pastry than figuring out the variables in pie crusts. (Sorry its half butter (flavor) and half Crisco or lard (flakiness) I'm a big bread and pizza guy. I don't believe you can get there using philo though. It will stay crunchy between levels which is what it good for. It wont blend between the levels like you get when you roll out a sheet of dough really really thin, brush it with butter and roll it into a croissant. That is one of the few foods that is best left to the professionals for me. But if I had a bigass kitchen table, and a fridge big enough to take the sheets as I roll them out. (they gotta stay chilled or you would get a goopy mess between layers) If you try it you have to report! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work? Sal
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responses below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: The only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. **Total agreement. And the marsh mellowy part of the meringue can't have that too uniform wtf is that chemical puffiness consistency. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. **You make a good point, though Marie Callender's frozen pie crust is really close to homemade in taste and consistency. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. **I am definitely the ez bake oven baker, making a minor art form of tweaking frozen nukable food into something tasty - lol, I can see your grimace. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. **That is a very tricky bit. Yep, overcook at that point and the whole thing tastes like carbon. Last, I am lucky to have a lemon tree in the backyard and it makes great pies and juice. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. ** Yes, and happy baking to you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that
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nuthin' says lovin' like something in the oven - Pillsbury makes some pretty good instant croissants, though all their stuff has a pronounced baking powder flavor that has to be drowned out with a lot of butter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work? Sal
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Yeah, not to lose ourselves, good advice. Ironically it is when things are not working for us that we decide to find the answers somewhere else and have more of a willingness to accept anything, no matter how irrational it may seem in a more self-confident moment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Re: the original message - this would be my concern about Amma and her org as well - she appears to be devolving from the original message and executing controlling directives that result in dependencies in many. Â Let alone the $$ coming in - a 21st century tithe strategy. Â Magical thinking and magical stories abound..lessons... don't lose yourself in someone or something else and each of us is responsible for our own spiritual growth. --- On Wed, 6/22/11, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hope Without Magical Thinking To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:12 AM Â Enjoyed your blast from the past Curtis - I can totally see the judgment on the dark spirit who was banished from the scene by Maharishi's effulgence, now in retrospect realizing the poor guy probably just had to pee - too many mango smoothies that morningand the chosen Governors remained... I was not part of the reinforced indoctrination that the Governors received, but definitely bought into the absolute perfection of our dear leader. Though I recall at the time I also took seriously the Jai Guru Dev thing, respect the teacher, so I really didn't feel Maharishi was my personal guru, rather a perfect teacher (for awhile). The difference being I never had nor wanted a personal relationship with him, beyond the big Maharishi posters on my dorm walls (I did work for the MMY Press, but it was still a pretty groupie thing to do...). I never had a chance to meet him. So I hung on his every word and worked for the Movement for two and a half years. Then when it became time to take a closer look and consider becoming a teacher myself, I decided to leave instead. Just wasn't going to work out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck I wonder why you would refer to the obvious fact that he had to be awake when her wrote it? I mean do you post in your sleep Doug? Oh wait a second, you are comparing Barry's post to a higher state of consciousness one that you are somehow capable of discerning by the content. Let me give a shot at the higher state one: Maharishi was preceded into the hall by a golden glow, egglike in its hyranyagarba glory. As he sat down this glow enveloped the audience and I could see that patches of dark clouds over people were going away. One very dark shrouded person left the room as if the purity itself had expelled him. As he started to speak it was like the impulses of the Veda were unfolding within me, the Prachetina value of life, the first impulses of creative intelligence were enlivened. On either side of the stage two huge Devatas stood regally enraptured by the master but knowing that they would need a nervous system like ours to achieve their goal. My eyes fall on the nervous system of a co-ed a few rows ahead, wearing a loose fitting, sleeveless, white, cotton shirt. At this angle I can make out the curve of her breast and think if I lean farther ahead I may be in nip-slip range... But spontaneously my attention is drawn away from the rajasic and back to Maharishi who is laying out the steps of progress for any government to turn the world into Narnia if they would only pay enough for his programs to be taught everywhere, cuz as everyone knows, the divine is always a bit short on cash. (Not much of a saver.) As he speaks he leans forward and at this angle I can see into his hairy chest and if I lean forward...damn...pull back pull back abort abort...Nice to be enlightened though so I can see my pervieness in terms of the Self, as if the universe itself want's a little nip-slip now and then and I am a faithful divine servant... Nice piece BTW Barry, you know for WAKING STATE! (For any new readers, waking state is a substitute for S--t for brains on FFL. It is used as a reminder of the poster's intrinsic superiority.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few
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If you can grow lemons do you have avocados in your back yard too? That was the coolest thing about living in Florida, tropical fruits! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: responses below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. **Total agreement. And the marsh mellowy part of the meringue can't have that too uniform wtf is that chemical puffiness consistency. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. **You make a good point, though Marie Callender's frozen pie crust is really close to homemade in taste and consistency. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. **I am definitely the ez bake oven baker, making a minor art form of tweaking frozen nukable food into something tasty - lol, I can see your grimace. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. **That is a very tricky bit. Yep, overcook at that point and the whole thing tastes like carbon. Last, I am lucky to have a lemon tree in the backyard and it makes great pies and juice. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. ** Yes, and happy baking to you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked
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Well, philo is different from puff pastry. I've never used philo for anything other than spinach pies~~which are easy and which I'll be making later this week. I agree totally about leaving some things to the professionals, though. They're either too time-consuming for what you get, or they're not nearly as good. Haven't quite gotten to that point with croissants yet, although it's close. I'll definitely let you know if I'm successful with them, Curtis. Best, Sal On Jun 22, 2011, at 12:26 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I never went further in to pastry than figuring out the variables in pie crusts. (Sorry its half butter (flavor) and half Crisco or lard (flakiness) I'm a big bread and pizza guy. I don't believe you can get there using philo though. It will stay crunchy between levels which is what it good for. It wont blend between the levels like you get when you roll out a sheet of dough really really thin, brush it with butter and roll it into a croissant. That is one of the few foods that is best left to the professionals for me. But if I had a bigass kitchen table, and a fridge big enough to take the sheets as I roll them out. (they gotta stay chilled or you would get a goopy mess between layers) If you try it you have to report! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work?
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Well, Pillsbury makes crescent rolls, right? I haven't seen any instant croissants. And If they haven't done it it's probably not possible. Sal On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:00 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: nuthin' says lovin' like something in the oven - Pillsbury makes some pretty good instant croissants, though all their stuff has a pronounced baking powder flavor that has to be drowned out with a lot of butter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Well, philo is different from puff pastry. Yes, I understand now. So maybe your idea has more merit than I thought. I have only used Philo and thought they were similar. If puff pastry can rise and isn't crunchy inside you might be on to something. It might be a crunchier croissants which would not be a bad thing in my book. I hope you do it! Here is a recipe I found on puffpastry.com for croissants. http://www.puffpastry.com/recipedetail.aspx?recipeID=60105rc=-1 I hope you do it and report! Curtis I've never used philo for anything other than spinach pies~~which are easy and which I'll be making later this week. I agree totally about leaving some things to the professionals, though. They're either too time-consuming for what you get, or they're not nearly as good. Haven't quite gotten to that point with croissants yet, although it's close. I'll definitely let you know if I'm successful with them, Curtis. Best, Sal On Jun 22, 2011, at 12:26 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I never went further in to pastry than figuring out the variables in pie crusts. (Sorry its half butter (flavor) and half Crisco or lard (flakiness) I'm a big bread and pizza guy. I don't believe you can get there using philo though. It will stay crunchy between levels which is what it good for. It wont blend between the levels like you get when you roll out a sheet of dough really really thin, brush it with butter and roll it into a croissant. That is one of the few foods that is best left to the professionals for me. But if I had a bigass kitchen table, and a fridge big enough to take the sheets as I roll them out. (they gotta stay chilled or you would get a goopy mess between layers) If you try it you have to report! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work?
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On Jun 22, 2011, at 2:07 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Well, philo is different from puff pastry. Yes, I understand now. So maybe your idea has more merit than I thought. I have only used Philo and thought they were similar. If puff pastry can rise and isn't crunchy inside you might be on to something. It might be a crunchier croissants which would not be a bad thing in my book. I hope you do it! Here is a recipe I found on puffpastry.com for croissants. http://www.puffpastry.com/recipedetail.aspx?recipeID=60105rc=-1 Yes, that's the one I saw! I hope you do it and report! I'm letting the dough thaw as I type. Sal
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You are right. Oh well. Maybe if you put on a beret, some french music, pour a glass of bordeaux and THEN eat the Pillsbury crescent roll, the effect will be achieved. I suppose it depends on the size of that glass of wine... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Well, Pillsbury makes crescent rolls, right? I haven't seen any instant croissants. And If they haven't done it it's probably not possible. Sal On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:00 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: nuthin' says lovin' like something in the oven - Pillsbury makes some pretty good instant croissants, though all their stuff has a pronounced baking powder flavor that has to be drowned out with a lot of butter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:25 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: he only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. Nice, Curtis. Do you have any idea for making croissants without going to all the trouble of making them from scratch? Would puff pasty sheets work?
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damned right dude - biggest crop one year was about 400 avos(!). The tree is about 50 feet tall and 60 years old. All organic. Average yield is 100 to 200 per season. This year the crop was tiny, maybe 50, and I share half with the squirrels. If they gnaw it before I get to it, its theirs. The wind sometimes kicks up around pollinating season and knocks a lot of the avocado flowers off. Also have two orange trees. Still have a lot of fruit on one of them. The lemon tree at any one time has 60 to 100 lemons. Might be a Meyer, but not really sure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: If you can grow lemons do you have avocados in your back yard too? That was the coolest thing about living in Florida, tropical fruits! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: responses below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The only problem I have with what you have written Jim is your inclusion of Lemon Meringue Pie and it being incapable of giving someone absolute happiness. Here is how I break down the problems with most pies: First: Lemon filling over sweetened. Rookie mistake. See the perfect bite includes the marsh mellowing effect of the meringue, so you need to keep the filling tart or you blow the genius of this combination. **Total agreement. And the marsh mellowy part of the meringue can't have that too uniform wtf is that chemical puffiness consistency. Second: You know all undercrust are gunna get soggy with the wet filling poured on, so pre bake the bottom crust. Go a little deeper with the crushed graham and crush them yourself, do not under any circumstances go with a pre made one. They all are over sweetened and suck. How hard is it to throw some graham crackers into a processor with some unsalted butter and a little sugar (not honey is will soften it before you begin). Big secret? Add in some grated orange peal , not lemon and you wont have to over sweeten the crust. A little cinnamon wont hurt, a lot will. **You make a good point, though Marie Callender's frozen pie crust is really close to homemade in taste and consistency. Third; This is what separates the easy bake oven bakers and the real kitchen badass homeboys. **I am definitely the ez bake oven baker, making a minor art form of tweaking frozen nukable food into something tasty - lol, I can see your grimace. Leave it in the broiler long enough at the end to get the peaks just a touch over the browned stage. This is tricky just like with pizzas. If you can get some peaks to go beyond caramel into blacked, you will offset any over sweeting mistakes. Just a touch of bitter is the magic that makes this dessert the magical juxtaposition it can be. In this form, it IS absolute happiness believe me. **That is a very tricky bit. Yep, overcook at that point and the whole thing tastes like carbon. Last, I am lucky to have a lemon tree in the backyard and it makes great pies and juice. Anyh, nice posts from both you and Turq. Happy baking. ** Yes, and happy baking to you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I agree that Maharishi's message was one of self sufficiency, and the irony you point out in the TMO is evident. I am curious though how you think one person can make another person weaker (or anything else), without the person being made weaker (or stronger for that matter) allowing it to happen? Even if someone is not willing to acknowledge their power of choice, it is always available. What seems to get us into trouble is the propensity built into us to find solutions. Its not digging a burrow or building a nest anymore, but same concept, to solve the problem. So the answer becomes MAHARISHI or AMMA or THE DEMOCRATS or TECH or LEMON MERINGUE PIE. Since we live so much in a world of ideas now, we can find absolute happiness for awhile in a belief system or a person or a series of stories, without dislodging such false anchors, without untying the knots that adhere us to these ideas, for an entire lifetime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Whoa, very nice waking state critique Turq. Nice writing. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. I went to the memorial service on MUM campus last nite. For Lilian Wallace, the Wallace family matriarch. Very much an old TM/MUM trustees event, and some of us other old-timers who have been around all alongside of this who are not TM-Rajas. Very nice evening of primarily the Wallace family reminiscing about Lilian Wallace. She was a very large personality that was along the whole way behind the scenes of the TM-movement by virtue of Keith Wallace and Peter. In character it seems she was a glamorous strong willed person of the mid-20th century. I know her first in California at one of the Humbolt courses with Maharishi. Was a big course with well over a thousand people. Most of us sat in a field house on folding chairs for the lectures. Up front was an area of stuffed chairs set out for the rich ladies from southern California. They were the supporters of the 1960's. They were of that generation. 'Made-up' and dolled up they were taken care of up there. Initially Lillian it seems was brought in and introduced to TM and maharishi by her kids, Peter and Keith, she was of that time. The speakers at the memorial spoke stories of those times and her life. It was fun. Especially was Peter going on about he and his mom being with old Yogananda followers, learning kriya meditation and practices early on, Buddhism, and going to india and being with saints there. Anandamayi Ma. Peter was warm and animated. On the other side of the stage while Peter waxes on about visiting saints in India are Bevan and Keith stoically listening. It was a moment. Patronage. Was interesting to see the room, staging, and relationship of the Wallace clan to it. Keith is first scientist of the TM-order. He is not MUM, not a Raja neither. Bevan is evidently powerful. In the greeting of folks there was some ring-kissing demonstrations of fealty with Bevan going on as well as chit-chat. The position of the Wallaces is a special place, emeritus in a way by virtue of Bevan evidently. Bevan batted clean up as speaker and gave a nice statement drawing on a principle. It was nice and enlarging. I've gone to a lot of memorials of the meditating community the last few of years. Mostly the folks who would attend are the closer friends or co-workers of the deceased. Something I was noticing about some of the memorials is that even with some of the most true-blue rank and file people who have been around making things happen by deed of their work or money, often the level of this upper movement is not present with the families and friends of the deceased at memorials within the meditating community. This particular memorial was of the Taliban-class of the TM-movement. Evidently as a class they were present for this. It wasn't necessarily large. In looking, the two people who were particularly lit of the whole group were Craig Pearson and Susan Humphreys. Hopefully they can outlive the larger force of being there and usher a new feeling to the group. It's a pretty cold group. Lord help 'em. - Buck in FF He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on me. What you should do instead is meditate, draw upon your own creativity, and solve the problem yourself. That will make you stronger. Compare and contrast to what Maharishi allowed his teaching and his spiritual movement to devolve into. What I find myself thinking today, remembering this first talk, is how SAD it is how little of what he said that day
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Buck,thanks for sharing this... magical Roll up (AND) THAT'S AN INVITATION, roll up for the mystery tour. Roll up TO MAKE A RESERVATION, roll up for the mystery tour. The magical mystery tour is waiting to take you away, Waiting to take you away. Hoping to take you away. Dying to take you away, take you today --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. I went to the memorial service on MUM campus last nite. For Lilian Wallace, the Wallace family matriarch. Very much an old TM/MUM trustees event, and some of us other old-timers who have been around all alongside of this who are not TM-Rajas. Very nice evening of primarily the Wallace family reminiscing about Lilian Wallace. She was a very large personality that was along the whole way behind the scenes of the TM-movement by virtue of Keith Wallace and Peter. In character it seems she was a glamorous strong willed person of the mid-20th century. I know her first in California at one of the Humbolt courses with Maharishi. Was a big course with well over a thousand people. Most of us sat in a field house on folding chairs for the lectures. Up front was an area of stuffed chairs set out for the rich ladies from southern California. They were the supporters of the 1960's. They were of that generation. 'Made-up' and dolled up they were taken care of up there. Initially Lillian it seems was brought in and introduced to TM and maharishi by her kids, Peter and Keith, she was of that time. The speakers at the memorial spoke stories of those times and her life. It was fun. Especially was Peter going on about he and his mom being with old Yogananda followers, learning kriya meditation and practices early on, Buddhism, and going to india and being with saints there. Anandamayi Ma. Peter was warm and animated. On the other side of the stage while Peter waxes on about visiting saints in India are Bevan and Keith stoically listening. It was a moment. Patronage. Was interesting to see the room, staging, and relationship of the Wallace clan to it. Keith is first scientist of the TM-order. He is not MUM, not a Raja neither. Bevan is evidently powerful. In the greeting of folks there was some ring-kissing demonstrations of fealty with Bevan going on as well as chit-chat. The position of the Wallaces is a special place, emeritus in a way by virtue of Bevan evidently. Bevan batted clean up as speaker and gave a nice statement drawing on a principle. It was nice and enlarging. I've gone to a lot of memorials of the meditating community the last few of years. Mostly the folks who would attend are the closer friends or co-workers of the deceased. Something I was noticing about some of the memorials is that even with some of the most true-blue rank and file people who have been around making things happen by deed of their work or money, often the level of this upper movement is not present with the families and friends of the deceased at memorials within the meditating community. This particular memorial was of the Taliban-class of the TM-movement. Evidently as a class they were present for this. It wasn't necessarily large. In looking, the two people who were particularly lit of the whole group were Craig Pearson and Susan Humphreys. Hopefully they can outlive the larger force of being there and usher a new feeling to the group. It's a pretty cold group. Lord help 'em. - Buck in FF He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked Maharishi what to do. Maharishi's answer was the most impressive thing he'd said in the entire talk. He said, If I tell you what to do, all that will happen is that it will make you weaker. The next time you have a problem, you'll want me to tell you what to do about it again. You will become dependent on
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thx, I was there at that time. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NC4d7MFA2Mk/SkTMbp3i99I/BlQ/JoxhxVDrbMk/s400/Louis+Wain+Cat+Postcard+Playing+Cards.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Buck,thanks for sharing this... magical Roll up (AND) THAT'S AN INVITATION, roll up for the mystery tour. Roll up TO MAKE A RESERVATION, roll up for the mystery tour. The magical mystery tour is waiting to take you away, Waiting to take you away. Hoping to take you away. Dying to take you away, take you today --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Today for some reason I found myself thinking back to the first time I saw Maharishi, in 1967. At that talk, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, he said a few things that got me interested enough in the spiritual path that I set about walking it. I went to the memorial service on MUM campus last nite. For Lilian Wallace, the Wallace family matriarch. Very much an old TM/MUM trustees event, and some of us other old-timers who have been around all alongside of this who are not TM-Rajas. Very nice evening of primarily the Wallace family reminiscing about Lilian Wallace. She was a very large personality that was along the whole way behind the scenes of the TM-movement by virtue of Keith Wallace and Peter. In character it seems she was a glamorous strong willed person of the mid-20th century. I know her first in California at one of the Humbolt courses with Maharishi. Was a big course with well over a thousand people. Most of us sat in a field house on folding chairs for the lectures. Up front was an area of stuffed chairs set out for the rich ladies from southern California. They were the supporters of the 1960's. They were of that generation. 'Made-up' and dolled up they were taken care of up there. Initially Lillian it seems was brought in and introduced to TM and maharishi by her kids, Peter and Keith, she was of that time. The speakers at the memorial spoke stories of those times and her life. It was fun. Especially was Peter going on about he and his mom being with old Yogananda followers, learning kriya meditation and practices early on, Buddhism, and going to india and being with saints there. Anandamayi Ma. Peter was warm and animated. On the other side of the stage while Peter waxes on about visiting saints in India are Bevan and Keith stoically listening. It was a moment. Patronage. Was interesting to see the room, staging, and relationship of the Wallace clan to it. Keith is first scientist of the TM-order. He is not MUM, not a Raja neither. Bevan is evidently powerful. In the greeting of folks there was some ring-kissing demonstrations of fealty with Bevan going on as well as chit-chat. The position of the Wallaces is a special place, emeritus in a way by virtue of Bevan evidently. Bevan batted clean up as speaker and gave a nice statement drawing on a principle. It was nice and enlarging. I've gone to a lot of memorials of the meditating community the last few of years. Mostly the folks who would attend are the closer friends or co-workers of the deceased. Something I was noticing about some of the memorials is that even with some of the most true-blue rank and file people who have been around making things happen by deed of their work or money, often the level of this upper movement is not present with the families and friends of the deceased at memorials within the meditating community. This particular memorial was of the Taliban-class of the TM-movement. Evidently as a class they were present for this. It wasn't necessarily large. In looking, the two people who were particularly lit of the whole group were Craig Pearson and Susan Humphreys. Hopefully they can outlive the larger force of being there and usher a new feeling to the group. It's a pretty cold group. Lord help 'em. - Buck in FF He laid out the benefits of meditation as he saw it, that it offered a way to draw upon one's own inner resources for one's sense of self worth and happiness, and not be dependent on others and how they see us or what they tell us to do for those things. I remember him speaking about how meditation (as he saw it) required no belief for it to work, and no leaders or gurus for it to work. All that it did require was actually doing the work -- practicing meditation. And I remember him speaking about how meditation could help to develop one's own creativity, and how that could help to resolve the problems of life by being able to create more effective solutions to them. At one point a person stood up and asked a question. He talked about a particular problem he was having, and how it had left him in a quandary, not knowing what to do. He then asked