[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-18 Thread shucktipat
What's wrong with the Brits? If MMY was going to curse an entire 
nation, why not curse the Germans, Syrians, Israelis, or the Texans? 
The Brits have given the world so much. Without them we would not have 
blue grass music! Lay off the Brits, man! Bite some kraut!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of the 
> > > > > posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you post 'hate'
> > > mail 
> > > > > against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible
> to be 
> > > > > critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect
> you are 
> > > > > in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing with 
> > > > > criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and
> > > your ilk.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > What is an ilk?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ilk
> > 
> > It was a rhetorical question, but thanks. ;-)
> >
> 
> Sorry. I thought perhaps that is a primarily British
> English word... :]
>

Nyah. I was just asking what is an "ilk" in the context of "you and your ilk."



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-18 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of the 
> > > > posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you post 'hate'
> > mail 
> > > > against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible
to be 
> > > > critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect
you are 
> > > > in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing with 
> > > > criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and
> > your ilk.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > What is an ilk?
> > > 
> > 
> > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ilk
> 
> It was a rhetorical question, but thanks. ;-)
>

Sorry. I thought perhaps that is a primarily British
English word... :]



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of the 
> > > posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you post 'hate'
> mail 
> > > against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be 
> > > critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect you are 
> > > in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing with 
> > > criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and
> your ilk.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > 
> > What is an ilk?
> > 
> 
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ilk

It was a rhetorical question, but thanks. ;-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard
> The thing is that quoting facts is better than heresay. My bio of 
> Maharishi many, many verbatim quotes that even many TM teachers had 
> not heard before. However, because there is a lot of frustrated 
> individuals who have yet to offer any original research, they resort 
> to personal attacks. I have read your research on Sri Vidhya & the 
> early history of the movement etc and it interests me. But none of 
> the posters who are so prone to vitriolic outbursts have produced any 
> research at all, just billowing hot-air, and sometimes polluted at 
> that. 
> 
> That I produce wodges of quotes from Maharishi, Guru Dev, Satyanand, 
> & Charlie Lutes seems to be of no value to these so-called defenders 
> of Maharishi and TM. They seem to think they will earn their laurels 
> by being anti-Paul Mason? Whatever! But at the end of the day, they 
> know they have contributed nothing worthwhile for their cause.
> 
> So, it is sour grapes, and those who really have something to 
> contribute to the story are happy to exchange cordial emails with me. 
> 
> Jay Gurudev
> 

Yeah, but you usually don't blast them in public for things you misread in the 
first place...

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Paul Mason wrote:
> > > I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite 
> > > a few of the posters here, and it is disturbing to 
> > > see some of you post 'hate' mail against critics of 
> > > Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be 
> > > critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, 
> > > I suspect you are in good company as Maharishi has 
> > > never been good at dealing with criticism, so I guess 
> > > he deserves to be represented by you and your ilk.
> > >
> > One informer here called me crazy, another called me nuts, Paul. 
> Judy
> > lied and said I lived under a bridge. Can you believe that? They
> > really hate me, Paul, but I like your book and I don't care what 
> they
> > say about you. Barry has a nice thread about what these TMers really
> > believe.
> >
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread Paul Mason
Perhaps people who are determined to write poison pen letters such as 
the one you wrote earlier ought first to consider writing under your 
given name. It appears so cowardly otherwise.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Magoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 

> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of 
the 
> > > posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you 
post 'hate'
> mail 
> > > against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to 
be 
> > > critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect 
you are 
> > > in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing 
with 
> > > criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and
> your ilk.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > 
> > What is an ilk?
> 
> Yeah..it sounds a little hateful to me!
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread Mr. Magoo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
wrote:
> >
> > I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of the 
> > posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you post 'hate'
mail 
> > against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be 
> > critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect you are 
> > in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing with 
> > criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and
your ilk.
> > 
> > 
> >  
> 
> What is an ilk?

Yeah..it sounds a little hateful to me!




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
wrote:
> >
> > I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of the 
> > posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you post 'hate'
mail 
> > against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be 
> > critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect you are 
> > in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing with 
> > criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and
your ilk.
> > 
> > 
> >  
> 
> What is an ilk?
> 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ilk
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Magoo"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Mainly because he robbed them of their ignorance, and you know
the old
> > > saying, "Ignorance is Bliss". Some of these folks were 'happy'
in the
> > > comfort of their ego-instigated desires and ambitions
(sankalpas), and
> > > along comes
> > > MMY and steals all that 'peace' away by the application of the
> > > ointment of knowledge!!
> > > 
> > > This isn't what they had bargained for at all...and NOW, well
now, NO
> > > peace. Once the light has dawned the darkness and shadows
(wickedness)
> > > struggle to hold on, and hence the dilemma. What happened to the
> > > peace, energy and happiness MMY promised; now I'm miserable in the
> > > awareness of my own wickedness, NO, NO, NO, I won't give in, I will
> > > fight!!  So now you now how TMfree-blog got started:-)
> > > 
> > > P.S. Like MMY use to say, "When the majestic Elephant walks thru the
> > > village, the dogs start barking".
> > >
> >
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > P.S. Like MMY use to say, "When the majestic Elephant 
walks 
> thru 
> > > > the
> > > > > village, the dogs start barking".
> > > > >
> > > > Hilarious and insightful! I especially like the quote at the 
> end.
> > > 
> > > Haha, the small barking dogs of FFL will continue to make 
noise 
> no 
> > > doubt - as long as they are fed.
> > >
> > Or until the majestic Elephant squashes them :-)
> 
> Now what would that majestic Elephant be ? My take is that it is 
> simply Karma, selfcreated :-)
>
Yep, a natural invitation from the barking dogs.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > P.S. Like MMY use to say, "When the majestic Elephant walks 
thru 
> > > the
> > > > village, the dogs start barking".
> > > >
> > > Hilarious and insightful! I especially like the quote at the 
end.
> > 
> > Haha, the small barking dogs of FFL will continue to make noise 
no 
> > doubt - as long as they are fed.
> >
> Or until the majestic Elephant squashes them :-)

Now what would that majestic Elephant be ? My take is that it is 
simply Karma, selfcreated :-)




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread nablusoss1008
But none of 
> the posters who are so prone to vitriolic outbursts have produced any 
> research at all, just billowing hot-air, and sometimes polluted at 
> that. 

Paul Mason, now the selfcreated expert on "research and pollution." 
Well in pollution he is quite good. 
The Brits can be difficult to understand. But in the business of 
capitalising on others they are experts. They had an Empire, long time 
lost. 
Why did Maharishi kick out the Brits from Purusha ? For good reason. 
They try to suck the blood out of everyone they meet, it being foreign 
Nations or Saints. 
They are a sorry people that will have to pay for their colonization, 
upression and rascism for generations to come.

In Europe they are mostly known as a sorry lot trying desperately to 
capitalise on others. Read The Sun lately ? This Paul Mason fellow is 
desperate to drum up any, ANY, socalled scandal. He, like most of the 
Brits are desperate to make a quick buck because they are morally and 
financially bankrupt.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> > > 
> > > P.S. Like MMY use to say, "When the majestic Elephant walks thru 
> > the
> > > village, the dogs start barking".
> > >
> > Hilarious and insightful! I especially like the quote at the end.
> 
> Haha, the small barking dogs of FFL will continue to make noise no 
> doubt - as long as they are fed.
>
Or until the majestic Elephant squashes them :-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard
> The thing is that quoting facts is better than heresay. My bio of 
> Maharishi many, many verbatim quotes that even many TM teachers had 
> not heard before. However, because there is a lot of frustrated 
> individuals who have yet to offer any original research, they 
resort 
> to personal attacks. I have read your research on Sri Vidhya & the 
> early history of the movement etc and it interests me. But none of 
> the posters who are so prone to vitriolic outbursts have produced 
any 
> research at all, just billowing hot-air, and sometimes polluted at 
> that.

So one must produce actual original research before
being allowed to criticize a researcher?
 
> That I produce wodges of quotes from Maharishi, Guru Dev, 
Satyanand, 
> & Charlie Lutes seems to be of no value to these so-called 
defenders 
> of Maharishi and TM. They seem to think they will earn their 
laurels 
> by being anti-Paul Mason? Whatever! But at the end of the day, they 
> know they have contributed nothing worthwhile for their cause.

You seem to think that because you've produced
"wodges of quotes" from MMY, Guru Dev, et cetera,
that you should therefore be immune from any
criticism for any reason.

(BTW, I've explicitly said I thought your Guru Dev
quotes are a great contribution.)



> 
> So, it is sour grapes, and those who really have something to 
> contribute to the story are happy to exchange cordial emails with 
me. 
> 
> Jay Gurudev




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread Paul Mason
Hi Richard
The thing is that quoting facts is better than heresay. My bio of 
Maharishi many, many verbatim quotes that even many TM teachers had 
not heard before. However, because there is a lot of frustrated 
individuals who have yet to offer any original research, they resort 
to personal attacks. I have read your research on Sri Vidhya & the 
early history of the movement etc and it interests me. But none of 
the posters who are so prone to vitriolic outbursts have produced any 
research at all, just billowing hot-air, and sometimes polluted at 
that. 

That I produce wodges of quotes from Maharishi, Guru Dev, Satyanand, 
& Charlie Lutes seems to be of no value to these so-called defenders 
of Maharishi and TM. They seem to think they will earn their laurels 
by being anti-Paul Mason? Whatever! But at the end of the day, they 
know they have contributed nothing worthwhile for their cause.

So, it is sour grapes, and those who really have something to 
contribute to the story are happy to exchange cordial emails with me. 

Jay Gurudev



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Paul Mason wrote:
> > I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite 
> > a few of the posters here, and it is disturbing to 
> > see some of you post 'hate' mail against critics of 
> > Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be 
> > critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, 
> > I suspect you are in good company as Maharishi has 
> > never been good at dealing with criticism, so I guess 
> > he deserves to be represented by you and your ilk.
> >
> One informer here called me crazy, another called me nuts, Paul. 
Judy
> lied and said I lived under a bridge. Can you believe that? They
> really hate me, Paul, but I like your book and I don't care what 
they
> say about you. Barry has a nice thread about what these TMers really
> believe.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"  
wrote:
> >
> > I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of the 
> > posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you post 'hate' 
mail 
> > against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be 
> > critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect you 
are 
> > in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing with 
> > criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and 
your ilk.
> > 
milk without the mmm?



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread Richard J. Williams
Paul Mason wrote:
> I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite 
> a few of the posters here, and it is disturbing to 
> see some of you post 'hate' mail against critics of 
> Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be 
> critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, 
> I suspect you are in good company as Maharishi has 
> never been good at dealing with criticism, so I guess 
> he deserves to be represented by you and your ilk.
>
One informer here called me crazy, another called me nuts, Paul. Judy
lied and said I lived under a bridge. Can you believe that? They
really hate me, Paul, but I like your book and I don't care what they
say about you. Barry has a nice thread about what these TMers really
believe.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread nablusoss1008

> > 
> > P.S. Like MMY use to say, "When the majestic Elephant walks thru 
> the
> > village, the dogs start barking".
> >
> Hilarious and insightful! I especially like the quote at the end.

Haha, the small barking dogs of FFL will continue to make noise no 
doubt - as long as they are fed.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread nablusoss1008
 
> I don't know that those people hate MMY any more than people who 
oppose the
> Iraq war hate the troops. What people hate are lies and hypocrisy, 
which
> taint both situations.

What lies are you suggesting ?




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few
> of the posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of
> you post 'hate' mail against critics of Maharishi. Actually,
> it is quite possible to be critical of someone without 
> hating him.

Very true, Paul.  I wonder, then, why it is that you
characterize criticism of MMY's critics as "hate mail."

 But anyway, I suspect you are in good company as
> Maharishi has never been good at dealing with criticism, so
> I guess he deserves to be represented by you and your ilk.

And what ilk do you deserve to be represented by, Paul?
I mean, you wouldn't characterize the following as
"hate mail," would you?

"Then Lawson, you are a coward as well as a fool!
Interestingly, you are the first and only person I know
of who has every attempted to cast aspertions [sic] on
the reputation of Guru Dev. In your bid to champion his
student Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, you dishonour his guru?
You have my utter contempt and scorn 1. for being a
coward 2. being so dishonourable."--Paul Mason,
February 13, 2007, on FFL

(What Lawson had said that so outraged Paul: "MMY,
though he will never acknowledge the fact, surpassed
his Master many decades ago.")




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of the 
> posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you post 'hate' mail 
> against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be 
> critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect you are 
> in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing with 
> criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and your ilk.
> 
> 
>  

What is an ilk?


> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Magoo"  wrote:
> >
> > Mainly because he robbed them of their ignorance, and you know the old
> > saying, "Ignorance is Bliss". Some of these folks were 'happy' in the
> > comfort of their ego-instigated desires and ambitions (sankalpas), and
> > along comes
> > MMY and steals all that 'peace' away by the application of the
> > ointment of knowledge!!
> > 
> > This isn't what they had bargained for at all...and NOW, well now, NO
> > peace. Once the light has dawned the darkness and shadows (wickedness)
> > struggle to hold on, and hence the dilemma. What happened to the
> > peace, energy and happiness MMY promised; now I'm miserable in the
> > awareness of my own wickedness, NO, NO, NO, I won't give in, I will
> > fight!!  So now you now how TMfree-blog got started:-)
> > 
> > P.S. Like MMY use to say, "When the majestic Elephant walks thru the
> > village, the dogs start barking".
> >
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread Paul Mason
I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of the 
posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you post 'hate' mail 
against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be 
critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect you are 
in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing with 
criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and your ilk.


 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Magoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mainly because he robbed them of their ignorance, and you know the old
> saying, "Ignorance is Bliss". Some of these folks were 'happy' in the
> comfort of their ego-instigated desires and ambitions (sankalpas), and
> along comes
> MMY and steals all that 'peace' away by the application of the
> ointment of knowledge!!
> 
> This isn't what they had bargained for at all...and NOW, well now, NO
> peace. Once the light has dawned the darkness and shadows (wickedness)
> struggle to hold on, and hence the dilemma. What happened to the
> peace, energy and happiness MMY promised; now I'm miserable in the
> awareness of my own wickedness, NO, NO, NO, I won't give in, I will
> fight!!  So now you now how TMfree-blog got started:-)
> 
> P.S. Like MMY use to say, "When the majestic Elephant walks thru the
> village, the dogs start barking".
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......

2007-03-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Magoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mainly because he robbed them of their ignorance, and you know the 
old
> saying, "Ignorance is Bliss". Some of these folks were 'happy' in 
the
> comfort of their ego-instigated desires and ambitions (sankalpas), 
and
> along comes
> MMY and steals all that 'peace' away by the application of the
> ointment of knowledge!!
> 
> This isn't what they had bargained for at all...and NOW, well now, 
NO
> peace. Once the light has dawned the darkness and shadows 
(wickedness)
> struggle to hold on, and hence the dilemma. What happened to the
> peace, energy and happiness MMY promised; now I'm miserable in the
> awareness of my own wickedness, NO, NO, NO, I won't give in, I will
> fight!!  So now you now how TMfree-blog got started:-)
> 
> P.S. Like MMY use to say, "When the majestic Elephant walks thru 
the
> village, the dogs start barking".
>
Hilarious and insightful! I especially like the quote at the end.