Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening

2005-06-18 Thread Vaj
Good morning Rick:

On Jun 18, 2005, at 3:06 AM, Rick wrote:

 Yes, if only it were that simple. It may have been a delusion of
 self all along but this delusion believed in over countless
 lifetimes created an immensely complex mountain of Karmic energy
 that demands to be unwound. Step one: Discriminate purusha from
 prakriti. Step two: Unravel the mess that was made (without falling
 back into a delusional state). Until every last one of those Karmic
 seeds are burnt to ash there are still remnants of the individual.

Interestingly, even M. states that in order for CC to be possible, one 
must attain nirvikalpa samadhi--and of course this is what allows the 
kleshas and the obscurations to dissolve. The sad thing is we were 
never taught a path to nirvikalpa.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening

2005-06-18 Thread Llundrub





In this world people are all doing many practices for 
liberation. In none of these practices is anything other happening than 
this: the stream of consciousness is the ground, it is the path, it is the goal. 
There is nothing else but this. Those who say otherwise have gone off on a 
tangent. The stream of consciousness is the ground, it is the path, it is the 
goal. This is it, That is it. All this is that. En How.


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From: Vaj 

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Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and 
Awakening
Good morning Rick:On Jun 18, 2005, at 3:06 AM, Rick 
wrote: Yes, if only it were that simple. It may have been a delusion 
of self all along but this delusion believed in over countless 
lifetimes created an immensely complex mountain of Karmic energy that 
demands to be unwound. Step one: Discriminate purusha from prakriti. 
Step two: Unravel the mess that was made (without falling back into a 
delusional state). Until every last one of those Karmic seeds are burnt 
to ash there are still remnants of the individual.Interestingly, even M. 
states that in order for CC to be possible, one must attain "nirvikalpa 
samadhi"--and of course this is what allows the kleshas and the obscurations 
to dissolve. The sad thing is we were never taught a path to 
nirvikalpa.To subscribe, send a message 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening

2005-06-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good morning Rick:
 
 On Jun 18, 2005, at 3:06 AM, Rick wrote:
 
  Yes, if only it were that simple. It may have been a delusion of
  self all along but this delusion believed in over countless
  lifetimes created an immensely complex mountain of Karmic energy
  that demands to be unwound. Step one: Discriminate purusha from
  prakriti. Step two: Unravel the mess that was made (without 
falling
  back into a delusional state). Until every last one of those 
Karmic
  seeds are burnt to ash there are still remnants of the individual.
 
 Interestingly, even M. states that in order for CC to be possible, 
one 
 must attain nirvikalpa samadhi--and of course this is what allows 
the 
 kleshas and the obscurations to dissolve. The sad thing is we were 
 never taught a path to nirvikalpa.

LOL. What do you think nirvikalpa is?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening

2005-06-18 Thread sparaig
There is no goal nor path in TM.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 In this world people are all doing many practices for liberation.  
In none of these practices is anything other happening than this: the 
stream of consciousness is the ground, it is the path, it is the 
goal. There is nothing else but this. Those who say otherwise have 
gone off on a tangent. The stream of consciousness is the ground, it 
is the path, it is the goal. This is it, That is it. All this is 
that. En How.
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Vaj 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and 
Awakening
 
 
 Good morning Rick:
 
 On Jun 18, 2005, at 3:06 AM, Rick wrote:
 
  Yes, if only it were that simple. It may have been a delusion of
  self all along but this delusion believed in over countless
  lifetimes created an immensely complex mountain of Karmic energy
  that demands to be unwound. Step one: Discriminate purusha from
  prakriti. Step two: Unravel the mess that was made (without 
falling
  back into a delusional state). Until every last one of those 
Karmic
  seeds are burnt to ash there are still remnants of the individual.
 
 Interestingly, even M. states that in order for CC to be possible, 
one 
 must attain nirvikalpa samadhi--and of course this is what allows 
the 
 kleshas and the obscurations to dissolve. The sad thing is we were 
 never taught a path to nirvikalpa.
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening

2005-06-18 Thread Vaj

On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:36 PM, sparaig wrote:

 Interestingly, even M. states that in order for CC to be possible,
 one
 must attain nirvikalpa samadhi--and of course this is what allows
 the
 kleshas and the obscurations to dissolve. The sad thing is we were
 never taught a path to nirvikalpa.

 LOL. What do you think nirvikalpa is?

Beyond TM. 



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Defining Enlightenment and Awakening

2005-06-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:36 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  Interestingly, even M. states that in order for CC to be possible,
  one
  must attain nirvikalpa samadhi--and of course this is what allows
  the
  kleshas and the obscurations to dissolve. The sad thing is we were
  never taught a path to nirvikalpa.
 
  LOL. What do you think nirvikalpa is?
 
 Beyond TM.

well, duh.





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