Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 14:41 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > I don't know how this works, only that it works for the wallpapers I > have installed, but they are all system ones. If you have wallpaper > image in your $HOME then it probably needs to be copied over > to /usr/share/backgrounds or somewhere before it can be made default. Yes. I've never gotten around to do the file-copying part for the 'Make Default' button, so that is an issue. We should at least warn the user if he makes a background the default that is not in a world-readable location. Matthias ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On 05/14/2009 03:41 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 12:50 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: needs to be copied to some directory that is readable by all users and we don't like to mess up with the dirs that are usually handled by I like a lot how the default wallpapers are set now in the distro: check a box and input a password. I don't know how this works, only that it works for the wallpapers I have installed, but they are all system ones. If you have wallpaper image in your $HOME then it probably needs to be copied over to /usr/share/backgrounds or somewhere before it can be made default. I am the sole user of my desktop, I set as a default background a photo from my home directory and it is picked correctly by GDM (ant that was all that mattered to me). Was to lazy to create a new user account only to test this. Do you currently wave a wallpaper installed from rpm? Mine is a JPEG somewhere in my homedir and it survived a clean install of F11 Beta. I do... Actually I use the default wallpapers because I like them. In past I've used various custom images though, but somehow the default ones have won (I think since about the time community took over the release artwork I have been using the default wallpapers almost exclusively). I also stayed with the defaults for F8 an F9 because I liked them, not so for F10 and F11. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 12:50 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I think this is the whole point of personalization: don't care about all > users, make easy the personalization tor each user. > That probably a good point... > > needs to be copied to some directory that is readable by all users and > > we don't like to mess up with the dirs that are usually handled by > > I like a lot how the default wallpapers are set now in the distro: check > a box and input a password. > I don't know how this works, only that it works for the wallpapers I have installed, but they are all system ones. If you have wallpaper image in your $HOME then it probably needs to be copied over to /usr/share/backgrounds or somewhere before it can be made default. > Do you currently wave a wallpaper installed from rpm? Mine is a JPEG > somewhere in my homedir and it survived a clean install of F11 Beta. > I do... Actually I use the default wallpapers because I like them. In past I've used various custom images though, but somehow the default ones have won (I think since about the time community took over the release artwork I have been using the default wallpapers almost exclusively). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On 05/14/2009 01:17 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 22:03 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not file an RFE against the application in the *DE that handle background settings that will be able to browse and preview those images from the online gallery which the end user can then select and set as his default background? This would save bandwith and the needed packaging hazzle.. The end user would also be able to preview the backgrounds online in his browser and right click the image and select to set as his default background... It would create a mess in the system. Installing the wallpaper for all users requires su authorisation, enabling it as default means that it I think this is the whole point of personalization: don't care about all users, make easy the personalization tor each user. needs to be copied to some directory that is readable by all users and we don't like to mess up with the dirs that are usually handled by I like a lot how the default wallpapers are set now in the distro: check a box and input a password. rpm,... Think also about removing. But yeah, I have the concern about Removing should not be an issue, we are talking about relatively small files, JPEGs or PNGs. bandwidth as well and I am really not sure what is the best approach to this... Some nice app that would let you select the wallpapers you'd like to install (after seeing their thumbnailed preview) would be nice to have, but I'd prefer it to integrate with our rpm (or even better packagekit) infrastructure. Do you currently wave a wallpaper installed from rpm? Mine is a JPEG somewhere in my homedir and it survived a clean install of F11 Beta. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On 05/14/2009 12:33 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 22:03 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not file an RFE against the application in the *DE that handle background settings that will be able to browse and preview those images from the online gallery which the end user can then select and set as his default background? This would save bandwith and the needed packaging hazzle.. How would this be different from the "Set as Desktop Background..." menu item that firefox already offers you on images ? Same behavior with the added images to preview the background different application. We could also just ship our default background to reduce space on the HD if the end user wants another background he would be previewing online images instead of images stored on the file system. If it's to difficult to add this with all the ui friendly manner then just add a url ( in Gnome ) on the "backgrounds" in gnome-appearance-properties to the gallery, End user double clicks the link, the gallery page open in his default browers he previews the gallery right clicks a background he likes and chooses to set it as his default background. It still would be needed to make adjustments so that each user account can have his own separated background. I think starting packaging background-extras-*( animals etc ) would just be waste of resource. begin:vcard fn:Johann B. Gudmundsson n:Gudmundsson;Johann B. org:Reiknistofnun - University of Iceland;IT Management adr:Taeknigardi;;Dunhagi 5;Reykjavik;;107;Iceland email;internet:johan...@hi.is title:Unix System Engineer RHCE,CCSA tel;work:+3545254267 tel;fax:+3545528801 tel;pager:N/A tel;home:N/A tel;cell:N/A url:www.rhi.hi.is version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 22:03 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Why not file an RFE against the application in the *DE that handle > background settings that will be able to browse and preview those > images > from the online gallery which the end user can then select and set as > his default background? > > This would save bandwith and the needed packaging hazzle.. How would this be different from the "Set as Desktop Background..." menu item that firefox already offers you on images ? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 22:03 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Like the gallery Idea but why go through all the trouble of package > the backgrounds and ship a large set of images ( Mb ) > > Why not file an RFE against the application in the *DE that handle > background settings that will be able to browse and preview those > images > from the online gallery which the end user can then select and set as > his default background? > > This would save bandwith and the needed packaging hazzle.. > > The end user would also be able to preview the backgrounds online in > his browser and right click the image and select to set as his default > background... It would create a mess in the system. Installing the wallpaper for all users requires su authorisation, enabling it as default means that it needs to be copied to some directory that is readable by all users and we don't like to mess up with the dirs that are usually handled by rpm,... Think also about removing. But yeah, I have the concern about bandwidth as well and I am really not sure what is the best approach to this... Some nice app that would let you select the wallpapers you'd like to install (after seeing their thumbnailed preview) would be nice to have, but I'd prefer it to integrate with our rpm (or even better packagekit) infrastructure. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 14:57 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: > Would some gallery software help us out? > Maybe, depends on what exactly we would expect from it, but I suppose it is generally better than wiki for this kind of stuff. > E.g. we could maybe talk to Fedora Infrastructure about having a > gallery install for our usage. The gallery client is kind of a pain to > get working in Fedora but once you do it makes it very easy to batch > upload photos to the server. We could make albums for different > wallpaper themes (eg a nature album, an abstract album, etc) and > within each album you can rate individual photos... could be a good > way of picking the best 5 for each or however many we want to package > for each grouping. > I recall there was some talk about it on the infra list back at the time when we were starting... Most people mentioned gallery2, but the infra folks seemed to be against it due to security reasons, if I remember correctly. I myself don't use/know any of this software, so I cannot give any advice/opinion on this one... Although, it might be perhaps useful to collect our ideas on wiki and when we have a good enough idea of what we would like to have (either using our own implementation/software or reusing solutions provided by already existing software), ping the infra folks again. > ~m > Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On 05/13/2009 09:57 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: > - Original Message > > >> From: Martin Sourada >> But basically what I thing we need is: >> * an easy way to upload images (with info on licensing and various >> other comments included) >> * a place to store the images in >> * a place to preview the images >> * a system on selecting what goes in/out of the rpm packages >> (voting?) >> >> I think our current setup is suboptimal in most of those points, but I >> ain't sure how to make it better. >> > > Would some gallery software help us out? > > E.g. we could maybe talk to Fedora Infrastructure about having a gallery > install for our usage. The gallery client is kind of a pain to get working in > Fedora but once you do it makes it very easy to batch upload photos to the > server. We could make albums for different wallpaper themes (eg a nature > album, an abstract album, etc) and within each album you can rate individual > photos... could be a good way of picking the best 5 for each or however many > we want to package for each grouping. > > Like the gallery Idea but why go through all the trouble of package the backgrounds and ship a large set of images ( Mb ) Why not file an RFE against the application in the *DE that handle background settings that will be able to browse and preview those images from the online gallery which the end user can then select and set as his default background? This would save bandwith and the needed packaging hazzle.. The end user would also be able to preview the backgrounds online in his browser and right click the image and select to set as his default background... -- Viking-Ice One of my gods has a hammer your's was nailed to a cross You do the math! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
- Original Message > From: Martin Sourada > But basically what I thing we need is: > * an easy way to upload images (with info on licensing and various > other comments included) > * a place to store the images in > * a place to preview the images > * a system on selecting what goes in/out of the rpm packages > (voting?) > > I think our current setup is suboptimal in most of those points, but I > ain't sure how to make it better. Would some gallery software help us out? E.g. we could maybe talk to Fedora Infrastructure about having a gallery install for our usage. The gallery client is kind of a pain to get working in Fedora but once you do it makes it very easy to batch upload photos to the server. We could make albums for different wallpaper themes (eg a nature album, an abstract album, etc) and within each album you can rate individual photos... could be a good way of picking the best 5 for each or however many we want to package for each grouping. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:48 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 05/13/2009 12:32 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > On 05/13/2009 12:15 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: > >> Some food for thought... > >> > >> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/02/a-little-bit-of-personality.aspx > >> > > > > I think that is very close to what we are trying to do with "Wallpaper > > Extras" - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras - the > > plan there is to gather as many as possible images from the larger > > community and figure out a way to select some which we think are both > > good and diverse. But our project is currently in hiatus, needing some > > coordination (and I have my share of guilt, I have a large number of > > photos which can be uploaded but was lazy lately) > > Did we ever settle on how and where to store all the images etc ? > I don't think so... I really liked Ian's proposal (dig through the archives if you do not know what I am referring to), but people seemed to be generally against it. But basically what I thing we need is: * an easy way to upload images (with info on licensing and various other comments included) * a place to store the images in * a place to preview the images * a system on selecting what goes in/out of the rpm packages (voting?) I think our current setup is suboptimal in most of those points, but I ain't sure how to make it better. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On 05/13/2009 12:32 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 05/13/2009 12:15 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: >> Some food for thought... >> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/02/a-little-bit-of-personality.aspx >> > > I think that is very close to what we are trying to do with "Wallpaper > Extras" - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras - the > plan there is to gather as many as possible images from the larger > community and figure out a way to select some which we think are both > good and diverse. But our project is currently in hiatus, needing some > coordination (and I have my share of guilt, I have a large number of > photos which can be uploaded but was lazy lately) Did we ever settle on how and where to store all the images etc ? -- Viking-Ice One of my gods has a hammer your's was nailed to a cross You do the math! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On 05/13/2009 12:15 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: Some food for thought... http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/02/a-little-bit-of-personality.aspx I think that is very close to what we are trying to do with "Wallpaper Extras" - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras - the plan there is to gather as many as possible images from the larger community and figure out a way to select some which we think are both good and diverse. But our project is currently in hiatus, needing some coordination (and I have my share of guilt, I have a large number of photos which can be uploaded but was lazy lately) From the Microsoft collection, I think some images are really bad from an usability point of view, much worse than our lion head. I still think a much better and useful thing would be to have the old "background channels" idea from clarkbw, but populated with Free images: http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/designs/background-channels/background%20channels.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
Some food for thought... http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/02/a-little-bit-of-personality.aspx Jon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
