RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
One way to describe design patterns is to separate the responsibility of classes in your application, therefore making decoupling possible. Eg MVC separates the model, view and controller, potentially promoting reusability, and the ability to work on either model, view or controller independently of one another. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roman Blöth Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 3:06 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns Anggie Bratadinata schrieb: > Stephane, that's a good article. [..] > Take a look at this interesting interview of Erich Gamma about Design > Patters (How to use): >>> http://blog.itpub.net/post/1087/48817 And - if not already mentioned here - think about buying the book "Head First - Design Patterns" by O'Reilly - definitely THE book for learning and fully understanding Design Patterns; there's nothing like this one out there (except maybe the other "Head First"-books). Get a free sample chapter (PDF) at ora.com. Best regards, Roman. -- --- gosub communications gmbh | fredersdorfer str. 10 | 10243 berlin t [030] 29 36 39 1 - 43 | f [030] 29 66 88 84 | http://www.gosub.de --- ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
I'm still waiting for that book (from a nearby bookstore). Maybe next month :( -- Anggie Bratadinata Web|Graphic|Flash Jl. Raya Langsep 21 Malang - East Java I N D O N E S I A http://design.ibshastautama.com Roman Blöth wrote: Anggie Bratadinata schrieb: Stephane, that's a good article. [..] Take a look at this interesting interview of Erich Gamma about Design Patters (How to use): http://blog.itpub.net/post/1087/48817 And - if not already mentioned here - think about buying the book "Head First - Design Patterns" by O'Reilly - definitely THE book for learning and fully understanding Design Patterns; there's nothing like this one out there (except maybe the other "Head First"-books). Get a free sample chapter (PDF) at ora.com. Best regards, Roman. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
Anggie Bratadinata schrieb: Stephane, that's a good article. [..] Take a look at this interesting interview of Erich Gamma about Design Patters (How to use): http://blog.itpub.net/post/1087/48817 And - if not already mentioned here - think about buying the book "Head First - Design Patterns" by O'Reilly - definitely THE book for learning and fully understanding Design Patterns; there's nothing like this one out there (except maybe the other "Head First"-books). Get a free sample chapter (PDF) at ora.com. Best regards, Roman. -- --- gosub communications gmbh | fredersdorfer str. 10 | 10243 berlin t [030] 29 36 39 1 - 43 | f [030] 29 66 88 84 | http://www.gosub.de --- ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
Stephane, that's a good article. Thanks everyone, -- Anggie Bratadinata Web|Graphic|Flash Jl. Raya Langsep 21 Malang - East Java I N D O N E S I A http://design.ibshastautama.com Martin Wood wrote: Take a look at this interesting interview of Erich Gamma about Design Patters (How to use): http://blog.itpub.net/post/1087/48817 thats really good. definitely worth reading for anyone with questions about design patterns. :) Martin. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
Take a look at this interesting interview of Erich Gamma about Design Patters (How to use): http://blog.itpub.net/post/1087/48817 thats really good. definitely worth reading for anyone with questions about design patterns. :) Martin. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
Hi Anggie, Take a look at this interesting interview of Erich Gamma about Design Patters (How to use): http://blog.itpub.net/post/1087/48817 Greets, Stéphane. 2006/2/23, Troy Rollins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 1:07 AM, Manuel Saint-Victor wrote: > > > Aangie- I'm a noob also and I 've been trying to figure out the > > role of > > design pattterns. > > Not too long ago, I couldn't see it either. But as you go along with > a few advanced projects, you begin to realize where they would be > useful. I'm only beginning out with them but I'm already seeing > improvements in technique... now I KNOW where to place (and later > find) various types of functionality. I KNOW that if I want to add > additional functionality, I know where to "tap in" to my code. > > -- > Troy > RPSystems, Ltd. > http://www.rpsystems.net > > > ___ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > -- Regards, Stéphane Bebrone -- Flash | ASP.NET | Web Developer http://weblog.shaoken.be -- ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
On Feb 23, 2006, at 1:07 AM, Manuel Saint-Victor wrote: Aangie- I'm a noob also and I 've been trying to figure out the role of design pattterns. Not too long ago, I couldn't see it either. But as you go along with a few advanced projects, you begin to realize where they would be useful. I'm only beginning out with them but I'm already seeing improvements in technique... now I KNOW where to place (and later find) various types of functionality. I KNOW that if I want to add additional functionality, I know where to "tap in" to my code. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
Design Patterns help you solve problems. You need to have many objects listening to one, dependant on that one - Observer Pattern might help. You need extend an object without subclassing - Decorator Pattern might help. You need one instance only of a class, Singleton comes in handy ( often people have called it the new global - think that was Keith Peters who said that). MVC isn't a particular pattern per say, it can be a combo of patterns ( observer, composite...etc) Its like anything else, you can probably totally overdo them - its a matter of knowing what to use when and why. They do help in providing structure and organization. And if you carry it over into your naming conventions, its super easy for other people to recognize the approach you're taking. This subject is just way too broad for this list :) > If I don't plan to extend my app. nor there is late requirements to meet > then using DP is not necessary? > > Thanks Troy, > -- > Anggie Bratadinata > Web|Graphic|Flash > Jl. Raya Langsep 21 > Malang - East Java > I N D O N E S I A > http://design.ibshastautama.com > > > Troy Rollins wrote: >> >> On Feb 22, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Anggie Bratadinata wrote: >> >>> What is the advantage(s) and disadvantage(s) of design patterns? I've >>> been studying MVC and Singleton patterns but so far I'm not sure how >>> those can make my software better. >> >> >> They don't necessarily make your software any better. >> >> They can probably make your software easier to extend and or maintain. >> >> -- >> Troy >> RPSystems, Ltd. >> http://www.rpsystems.net >> >> >> ___ >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> To change your subscription options or search the archive: >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> >> Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software >> Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training >> http://www.figleaf.com >> http://training.figleaf.com >> > ___ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
Aangie- I'm a noob also and I 've been trying to figure out the role of design pattterns. To tell you truth ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
Wouldn't it be great to have a project like that - that actually stays on track and doesn't have last minute changes :) It is never necessary to use design patterns, but they can make your project more structured. More structured usually means easier to understand, and easier to modify (as it is more obvious what else will be affected by any change). I would suggest spending time on less critical projects to explore using some design patterns, to see how you feel about them, and if you find they are useful then keep using them. When I first started using design patterns (when FAMES kicked off) I thought it was important to use "pure" patterns, and got quite stressed trying to understand wtf all the patterns actually are and why I should be using them. Now that I have made a few projects (~6) in this fashion I am much more laid back - I use the patterns that I understand, bastardise others to something I like, and ignore the rest. We're not making works of art here - as long as the project is done to time and budget and isn't a complete dog's breakfast then it's fine :) Regards, Grant Cox Anggie Bratadinata wrote: If I don't plan to extend my app. nor there is late requirements to meet then using DP is not necessary? Thanks Troy, -- Anggie Bratadinata Web|Graphic|Flash Jl. Raya Langsep 21 Malang - East Java I N D O N E S I A http://design.ibshastautama.com Troy Rollins wrote: On Feb 22, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Anggie Bratadinata wrote: What is the advantage(s) and disadvantage(s) of design patterns? I've been studying MVC and Singleton patterns but so far I'm not sure how those can make my software better. They don't necessarily make your software any better. They can probably make your software easier to extend and or maintain. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
If I don't plan to extend my app. nor there is late requirements to meet then using DP is not necessary? Thanks Troy, -- Anggie Bratadinata Web|Graphic|Flash Jl. Raya Langsep 21 Malang - East Java I N D O N E S I A http://design.ibshastautama.com Troy Rollins wrote: On Feb 22, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Anggie Bratadinata wrote: What is the advantage(s) and disadvantage(s) of design patterns? I've been studying MVC and Singleton patterns but so far I'm not sure how those can make my software better. They don't necessarily make your software any better. They can probably make your software easier to extend and or maintain. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
On Feb 22, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Anggie Bratadinata wrote: What is the advantage(s) and disadvantage(s) of design patterns? I've been studying MVC and Singleton patterns but so far I'm not sure how those can make my software better. They don't necessarily make your software any better. They can probably make your software easier to extend and or maintain. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] OT: Design patterns
Hi experts, What is the advantage(s) and disadvantage(s) of design patterns? I've been studying MVC and Singleton patterns but so far I'm not sure how those can make my software better. TIA, -- Anggie Bratadinata Web|Graphic|Flash Jl. Raya Langsep 21 Malang - East Java I N D O N E S I A http://design.ibshastautama.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
