Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)
Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein when I was renewed; it was done in private email with the Membership Committee. My GNOME contributions have indeed been eclectic, non-regular and, well, just plain different than the norm. For example, I've helped with licensing policy discussions and drafting, and I've done some work to defend GNOME 3 publicly against the Linus Torvalds attacks. Meanwhile, upon reading this sub-thread and considering my own contributions to the GNOME Foundation, I'm frankly left wondering if my membership would be next to be called into question on this thread. I imagine that I'd feel *really* uncomfortable and even personally offended if my own membership were being called into question publicly on this list! Thus, IMO, it frankly seems unnecessarily aggressive and downright inappropriate to question someone's fitness for membership on the public list like this, and I hope that folks will show restraint and raise any such issues privately among the Membership Committee and the member in question. -- bkuhn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)
Yes. This seems to have gone beyond the realm of reasonableness and into a personal attack on another Foundation member. Please don't do this. I am only on this list due to the benefit of sitting on top of Google's pile of money, some of which we contribute to Gnome. I am too busy with my own Free Software project to be able to directly contribute to Gnome code. Will I be the next to be attacked for not being sufficiently useful to Gnome ? Jeremy. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn bk...@ebb.org wrote: Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein when I was renewed; it was done in private email with the Membership Committee. My GNOME contributions have indeed been eclectic, non-regular and, well, just plain different than the norm. For example, I've helped with licensing policy discussions and drafting, and I've done some work to defend GNOME 3 publicly against the Linus Torvalds attacks. Meanwhile, upon reading this sub-thread and considering my own contributions to the GNOME Foundation, I'm frankly left wondering if my membership would be next to be called into question on this thread. I imagine that I'd feel *really* uncomfortable and even personally offended if my own membership were being called into question publicly on this list! Thus, IMO, it frankly seems unnecessarily aggressive and downright inappropriate to question someone's fitness for membership on the public list like this, and I hope that folks will show restraint and raise any such issues privately among the Membership Committee and the member in question. -- bkuhn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)
For what is worth, I don't support the idea of getting Richard out of the GNOME Foundation, nor the way that this idea is being discussed and nor the suggestion of moderating his posts by default. I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - François-Marie Arouet, aka Voltaire (1694-1778) 2013/1/10 Jeremy Allison j...@google.com: Yes. This seems to have gone beyond the realm of reasonableness and into a personal attack on another Foundation member. Please don't do this. I am only on this list due to the benefit of sitting on top of Google's pile of money, some of which we contribute to Gnome. I am too busy with my own Free Software project to be able to directly contribute to Gnome code. Will I be the next to be attacked for not being sufficiently useful to Gnome ? Jeremy. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn bk...@ebb.org wrote: Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein when I was renewed; it was done in private email with the Membership Committee. My GNOME contributions have indeed been eclectic, non-regular and, well, just plain different than the norm. For example, I've helped with licensing policy discussions and drafting, and I've done some work to defend GNOME 3 publicly against the Linus Torvalds attacks. Meanwhile, upon reading this sub-thread and considering my own contributions to the GNOME Foundation, I'm frankly left wondering if my membership would be next to be called into question on this thread. I imagine that I'd feel *really* uncomfortable and even personally offended if my own membership were being called into question publicly on this list! Thus, IMO, it frankly seems unnecessarily aggressive and downright inappropriate to question someone's fitness for membership on the public list like this, and I hope that folks will show restraint and raise any such issues privately among the Membership Committee and the member in question. -- bkuhn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)
Bradley, No, this is not standard procedure. This should have been a private matter and not something that should have been brought out in public. Regardless of who it is, this should have been communicated privately with the list owner. Stormy has done something similar in keeping things in check on the mailing list. sri On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn bk...@ebb.org wrote: Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein when I was renewed; it was done in private email with the Membership Committee. My GNOME contributions have indeed been eclectic, non-regular and, well, just plain different than the norm. For example, I've helped with licensing policy discussions and drafting, and I've done some work to defend GNOME 3 publicly against the Linus Torvalds attacks. Meanwhile, upon reading this sub-thread and considering my own contributions to the GNOME Foundation, I'm frankly left wondering if my membership would be next to be called into question on this thread. I imagine that I'd feel *really* uncomfortable and even personally offended if my own membership were being called into question publicly on this list! Thus, IMO, it frankly seems unnecessarily aggressive and downright inappropriate to question someone's fitness for membership on the public list like this, and I hope that folks will show restraint and raise any such issues privately among the Membership Committee and the member in question. -- bkuhn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)
Hi, Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, à 12:36 -0500, Bradley M. Kuhn a écrit : Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein when I was renewed; it was done in private email with the Membership Committee. Actually, such discussions are now publicly archived (even though there are still private mails every now and then, I guess): https://mail.gnome.org/archives/membership-committee/ But that only happens when the person applies (or re-applies) for membership, but not on foundation-list, and such discussions are lead by the membership committee. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)
On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 12:36 -0500, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? My question was a rhetorical one. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
