Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?
Sorry bad English - instead of exclamation marks I should say quotation marks > I just tested FM 2019 15.0.3.603 "If you use "quotation marks" around the numeric sequence, the search works the way you want it to." And Yes if you insert Index entries for any of these product designations like "123.456". HTML would include an index search. [cid:image003.jpg@01D500EE.67CF6840] Dieter itl AG, München +49 89 892623-600 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Framers Im Auftrag von Gust, Dieter Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Mai 2019 11:25 An: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Betreff: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation? Hi Winfried, additional answers: 5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution." I just tested FM 2019 15.0.3.603 If you use exclamation marks round about the numeric sequence search works the way you asked for. 6.) In my tests in update 15.03.603 search term highlighting works! -Original Message- From: Framers mailto:framers-bounces+w.reng=carecom-solutions@lists.frameusers.com>> On Behalf Of Gust, Dieter Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:56 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>> Subject: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation? Hi Winfried, you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box model. 1.) "I do not know which font will be used. " Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use the CSS as part of the general conversion settings 2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best" Sure it remains SVG 2.b) "However, if you have some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected." This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not supported by the HTML conversion process The quality has been dramatically improved upon the several updates 3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph." See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title. E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic title." Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs called table anchor. In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and therefore it shall start with a heading. If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created a structural mistake. In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the identical content. A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as the standard topic title! 5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution." 6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue Regards Dieter Gust Aufsichtsrat, Leitung Forschung & Entwicklung itl AG, München ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> -- next part
Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?
Hi Winfried, additional answers: 5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution." I just tested FM 2019 15.0.3.603 If you use exclamation marks round about the numeric sequence search works the way you asked for. 6.) In my tests in update 15.03.603 search term highlighting works! -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Gust, Dieter Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:56 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation? Hi Winfried, you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box model. 1.) "I do not know which font will be used. " Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use the CSS as part of the general conversion settings 2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best" Sure it remains SVG 2.b) "However, if you have some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected." This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not supported by the HTML conversion process The quality has been dramatically improved upon the several updates 3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph." See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title. E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic title." Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs called table anchor. In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and therefore it shall start with a heading. If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created a structural mistake. In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the identical content. A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as the standard topic title! 5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution." 6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue Regards Dieter Gust Aufsichtsrat, Leitung Forschung & Entwicklung itl AG, München ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?
Hi I wonder whether if you use the glossary, or index functions, then the search would work on these terms. *Reng Winfried * Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:28 PM Reply-To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." < framers@lists.frameusers.com> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." < framers@lists.frameusers.com> 5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution." 6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue WR: The issue is: We have many order codes which start e.g. with 125. When I enter "125.xyz" as search string, then _all_ order codes with "125" will be found. However, only 125.xyz should have been found. It does not matter, if I change the option "Enable Substring Search" in the Search settings. Or in the converted HTML5 change "Display results with all search words". The solution user has to enclose the whole text in double quotes. Then this works. On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:28 PM Reng Winfried wrote: > Hi group > > I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on > how to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated > from unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does > not help me very much: > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf > > Thanks > > Yves > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?
Hi Dieter, Thank you very much for your detailed info! Very good! Here are some comments. 1.) "I do not know which font will be used. " Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use the CSS as part of the general conversion settings WR: Yes. Caroline Tabach answered this here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/11052723 4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title. E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic title." Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs called table anchor. In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and therefore it shall start with a heading. If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created a structural mistake. In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the identical content. A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as the standard topic title! WR: Very good. I am sure that I can adapt this. 5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution." 6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue WR: The issue is: We have many order codes which start e.g. with 125. When I enter "125.xyz" as search string, then _all_ order codes with "125" will be found. However, only 125.xyz should have been found. It does not matter, if I change the option "Enable Substring Search" in the Search settings. Or in the converted HTML5 change "Display results with all search words". The solution user has to enclose the whole text in double quotes. Then this works. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Gust, Dieter Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:56 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation? Hi Winfried, you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box model. 1.) "I do not know which font will be used. " Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use the CSS as part of the general conversion settings 2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best" Sure it remains SVG 2.b) "However, if you have some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected." This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not supported by the HTML conversion process The quality has been dramatically improved upon the several updates 3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph." See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title. E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic title." Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs called table anchor. In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and therefore it shall start with a heading. If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created a structural mistake. In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the identical content. A third aspect might be seen in the filename o
Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?
Hi Winfried, you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box model. 1.) "I do not know which font will be used. " Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use the CSS as part of the general conversion settings 2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best" Sure it remains SVG 2.b) "However, if you have some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected." This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not supported by the HTML conversion process The quality has been dramatically improved upon the several updates 3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph." See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title. E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic title." Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs called table anchor. In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and therefore it shall start with a heading. If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created a structural mistake. In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the identical content. A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as the standard topic title! 5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution." 6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue Regards Dieter Gust Aufsichtsrat, Leitung Forschung & Entwicklung itl AG, München +49 89 892623-600 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Framers Im Auftrag von Reng Winfried Gesendet: Montag, 29. April 2019 12:00 An: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Betreff: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation? Hi Yves, I also started to convert my unstructured documentation to HTML5. And I do not have any tutorials or best practices. I am still experimenting. I will look for more information in the online help and in the various forums and blogs. My first impressions and questions: o Default settings are good. o I do not know which font will be used. Probably my font will be replaced by something else. However, I do not know, which fonts are on Android or iOS. Is there are default replacement? o Graphics conversion with SVG is best. However, if you have some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected. o When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph. See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 o I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title. E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic title. o Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution. o Of course I had written documents with a certain layout. I have to find solutions for some of my paragraph layouts (e.g. right-aligned tab stops). o I adapt a copy of the regular settings file on our network. I do not know, if there is a standard solution, where this settings file should reside. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Yves Barbion Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 10:58 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good
Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?
I have been doing responsive HTML 5 output. Regarding the settings file, sometimes it suddenly becomes corrupted, so make a copy of the file you are using Caroline Tabach On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, 13:00 Reng Winfried, wrote: > Hi Yves, > > I also started to convert my unstructured documentation to HTML5. > And I do not have any tutorials or best practices. I am still > experimenting. > I will look for more information in the online help and in the various > forums > and blogs. > My first impressions and questions: > > o Default settings are good. > > o I do not know which font will be used. Probably my font will be replaced > by something else. However, I do not know, which fonts are on Android > or iOS. Is there are default replacement? > > o Graphics conversion with SVG is best. However, if you have > some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should > convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected. > > o When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then > you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph. > See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 > > o I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title. > E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then > the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic > title. > > o Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want > to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between > two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a > solution. > > o Of course I had written documents with a certain layout. I have to find > solutions for some of my paragraph layouts (e.g. right-aligned tab > stops). > > o I adapt a copy of the regular settings file on our network. I do not > know, > if there is a standard solution, where this settings file should reside. > > Best regards > > Winfried > > -Original Message- > From: Framers carecom-solutions....@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Yves Barbion > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 10:58 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: > best practices and good documentation? > > Hi group > > I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on > how to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated > from unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does > not help me very much: > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf > > Thanks > > Yves > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?
Hi Yves, I also started to convert my unstructured documentation to HTML5. And I do not have any tutorials or best practices. I am still experimenting. I will look for more information in the online help and in the various forums and blogs. My first impressions and questions: o Default settings are good. o I do not know which font will be used. Probably my font will be replaced by something else. However, I do not know, which fonts are on Android or iOS. Is there are default replacement? o Graphics conversion with SVG is best. However, if you have some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected. o When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph. See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 o I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title. E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic title. o Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution. o Of course I had written documents with a certain layout. I have to find solutions for some of my paragraph layouts (e.g. right-aligned tab stops). o I adapt a copy of the regular settings file on our network. I do not know, if there is a standard solution, where this settings file should reside. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Yves Barbion Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 10:58 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation? Hi group I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on how to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated from unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does not help me very much: https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf Thanks Yves ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?
Following On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 4:57 AM Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on > how to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated > from unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does > not help me very much: > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf > > Thanks > > Yves > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?
Hi group I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on how to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated from unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does not help me very much: https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf Thanks Yves ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
