Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Scott,

Confidence is gained from experience. I have confidence in MSXML because I 
have used it successfully in dozens of my scripts. I have not heard a single 
complaint from any of my clients that have it installed. If you discount 
software just because it is from Microsoft, you will miss out on some good, 
time-saving, production tools. Any big software company is going to have 
some junk (Apple and Adobe included), but I don't like to "throw out the 
baby with the bath water," as they say.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then.
>
> Scott
>
> At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this
>>case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is
>>built into windows.
>>
>>FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the
>>ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to
>>perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the
>>control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.
>>
>>I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help
>>systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript
>>enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML,
>>perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle
>>database.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>Martin R. Smith
>>www.golehtek.com
>>
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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Scott,

MSXML is not a format but an XML parser/processor. It is very fast and 
stable, and has a small footprint. I have heard even ardent Microsoft-haters 
say that it is an excellent XML tool. Best of all, it can be controlled from 
FrameScript. It is also free.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


>I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I know, 
>that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's true. Add 
>to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, gratuitous, and bloated 
>code to it's conversion output and it would seem counter-productive going 
>that route.
>
> Scott
>
> At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
>>Hi Darren,
>>
>>I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
>>http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go
>>directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
>>interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.
>>
>>Rick Quatro
>>Carmen Publishing Inc
>>585-659-8267
>>www.frameexpert.com
> 

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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Jim Owens]

MSXML is just an extension for programming languages. It provides 
commands for opening XML files, finding nodes, adding nodes, that sort 
of thing.  Microsoft maintains it, but despite this it works pretty well.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then.
> 
> Scott
> 
> At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this 
>> case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is 
>> built into windows.
>>
>> FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the 
>> ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to 
>> perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the 
>> control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.
>>
>> I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help 
>> systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript 
>> enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, 
>> perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle 
>> database.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Martin R. Smith
>> www.golehtek.com
>>
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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[quills]

You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then.

Scott

At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this 
>case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is 
>built into windows.
>
>FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the 
>ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to 
>perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the 
>control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.
>
>I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help 
>systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript 
>enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, 
>perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle 
>database.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Martin
>
>Martin R. Smith
>www.golehtek.com
>
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RE: MIF to SGML/XML

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Thanx to you both for the info!

Darren

-Original Message-
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To: Rick Quatro; Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers
Subject: Re: MIF to SGML/XML

I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I 
know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's 
true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, 
gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would 
seem counter-productive going that route.

Scott

At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
>Hi Darren,
>
>I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
>http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to
go
>directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
>interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.
>
>Rick Quatro
>Carmen Publishing Inc
>585-659-8267
>www.frameexpert.com
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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[martin . smith]

Hi all,

Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this  
case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is  
built into windows.

FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the  
ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to  
perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the  
control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.

I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help  
systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript  
enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML,  
perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle  
database.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
www.golehtek.com


Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I
> know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's
> true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous,
> gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would
> seem counter-productive going that route.
>
> Scott
>
> At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
>> Hi Darren,
>>
>> I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
>> http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go
>> directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
>> interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>> Carmen Publishing Inc
>> 585-659-8267
>> www.frameexpert.com
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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[quills]

I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I 
know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's 
true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, 
gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would 
seem counter-productive going that route.

Scott

At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
>Hi Darren,
>
>I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
>http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go
>directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
>interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.
>
>Rick Quatro
>Carmen Publishing Inc
>585-659-8267
>www.frameexpert.com
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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Darren,

I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check 
http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go 
directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are 
interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> Hello fellow FrameManiacs,
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of an application  that converts MIF to XML and/or
> SGML,  besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that
> the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative.
>
> We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could find a
> copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max until
> we find something else.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Darren
>
>
>
> Darren Butler
>
> FrameMaker Template Custodian
>
> NG Corp

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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:37:07 -0400, "Butler, Darren J CTR USAF 
 AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Does anyone know of an application  that converts MIF to XML

As Art said, Mif2Go does that job.  It does it for both
structured and unstructured Frame files, effectively, with 
minimal configuration, and very quickly.  The best way to 
see if it suits your needs is to try it yourself.  The
free unlimited demo version is at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

What specific flavor of XML are you using?  Is it DITA,
DocBook, your own format, or what?  That makes a big
difference in selecting the most appropriate tool.

Also, is your intent to migrate from Frame to another
application, or to single-source from Frame and support
XML output on demand?  Those two processes make real 
different demands on your toolchain, time, and budget.

Post back to the list on those two points, and you may
get more precise assistance.

HTH!

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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[rinch]

Have you considered mif2go?

http://www.omsys.com/

Richard

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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

http://www.leximation.com/tools/mifml/

does a 100% conversion from MIF to XML. I used it to mass change  
unstructured FrameMaker documents to custom XML using MIFML as the  
starting point, followed by quite a bit of custom XSL stylesheets.

- Michael Müller-Hillebrand

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584
CBSS/GBHAC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello fellow FrameManiacs,
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of an application  that converts MIF to XML and/or
> SGML,  besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that
> the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative.
>
> We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could  
> find a
> copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max  
> until
> we find something else.


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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Paul Nagai]

Oy. This time I'll cc the correct list! (Sorry dual techwr-l, framers
subscribers!)

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Paul Nagai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> meant to cc the list, too ...
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Paul Nagai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584
>> CBSS/GBHAC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fellow FrameManiacs,
>>> Does anyone know of an application  that converts MIF to XML and/or
>>> SGML,  besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that
>>> the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative.
>>> We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could find a
>>> copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max until
>>> we find something else.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Darren
>>>
>>
>> I have a really hard time imagining that this would interest you (aimed at
>> a different market based on wild assumptions I'm making about your assumed
>> Maximus source code availability), but PTC (who acquired Arbortext, the
>> "brand") has an import/export product that supports, among many other
>> things, the conversion from FrameMaker (MIF) to XML. Here they have it
>> attached to a server product (Publishing Engine), but I know it is also
>> executable on an enabled client from a GUI or the command line.
>>
>>
>> http://ptc.com/products/arbortext/publishing-engine/product-capabilities.htm
>>
>> If you're converting thousands of pages, probably not going to be
>> interesting unless you are already an Arbortext shop. Get deep into the
>> hundreds of thousands ... maybe. Into the millions? Then the software (and
>> potential service costs) start to fade out as inhibitors depending on your
>> requirements.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Nagai
>>
>
>
>
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>
>


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RE: MIF to SGML/XML

[Combs, Richard]

Butler,Darren wrote:
 
> Does anyone know of an application  that converts MIF to XML and/or
> SGML,  besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that
> the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative.

FM itself will convert an unstructured document to structured, although
I understand there can be a fair amount of work involved, depending on
the doc and the EDD/DTD you want to use (or need to create). What does
Maximus do that FM doesn't? Just curious. :-)

Richard


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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Art Campbell]

MIF2Go

Art

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584
CBSS/GBHAC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello fellow FrameManiacs,
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of an application  that converts MIF to XML and/or
> SGML,  besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that
> the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative.
>
> We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could find a
> copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max until
> we find something else.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Darren
>
>
>
> Darren Butler
>
> FrameMaker Template Custodian
>
> NG Corp
>
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