Re: Printing to a Lanier LD160c does not work

[Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez]

El Jue 23 Oct 2008, Jeremy Chadwick escribió:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:42:41PM -0700, Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez 
wrote:
> > El Jue 16 Oct 2008, Jeremy Chadwick escribió:
> > >
> > > If this printer is hooked up on the network (e.g. via Ethernet), I
> > > believe you need to set the lp variable to the hostname or IP address
> > > of the printer, e.g.:
> > >
> > > admincolor|hp|laserjet|LANIER LD160c RPCS:\
> > >
> > >   :lp=192.168.1.100\
> > >   :sd=/var/spool/output/admincolor:rm=admincolor:\
> > >   :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:
> >
> > Negative, leave the lp capability blank, explicitly (:lp=:).
> >
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-advanc
> >ed.html#PRINTING-ADVANCED-NETWORK-RM
>
> Then the printcap(5) man page should reflect this; the existing
> explanations for both fields are painfully terse.
>
> lp str   /dev/lpdevice name to open for
> output, or [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
> open a TCP socket
> rm str   NULL   machine name for remote
> printer
>
> I can file a PR (to doc) on this if recommended.

if you are printing to a remote LPD system, you should use:

:lp=:\
:rm=hostname-or-ip:\
:rp=printer-name:\

If you use [EMAIL PROTECTED], then you should not use rp and rm, but in the 
port 
of the machine should be a program that undestand LPD/LPR protocol.

The printcap(5) man page has a section "REMOTE PRINTING".

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Re: Upgrading 7.1-PRERELEASE

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 07:52:11AM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:
>
>
> Jeremy Chadwick skrev:
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:41:05AM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:
>>> Jeremy Chadwick skrev:
 On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:24:56AM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:
> I'm running 7.1-PRERELEASE. Yesterday I csup'ed and upgraded as 
> I've  done several times in order to install 7.1-BETA2. 
> Everything went as it  should, but my system still says 
> 7.1-PRERELEASE. In my stable-supfile I  have "*default 
> release=cvs tag=RELENG_7".
>
> Can anyone tell me where I can make sure that my system upgrades to 
> BETA-2?
 You are essentially running BETA2, with even newer fixes since the BETA2
 release.  You should stay with the RELENG_7 tag.

>>> Thanks Jeremy
>>> I thought that the uname tag would change to "BETA-2"
>>
>> I sincerely do not know where "BETA2" (not "BETA-2") comes from.  It's
>> not defined anywhere in src/sys/conf/newvers.sh in CVS:
>
> I got it from here
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-October/046037.html
> /Leslie

You've misunderstood what I said.  :-)

I want to know where the "BETA2" string actually came **from**, meaning
who or what idealised it and why.  It is not a CVS tag, and it's not
referred to anywhere other than the "here's the ISOs" mails that come
from Ken.

The problem is that this string generates confusion; you are not the
first person who has gotten confused by this (downloading version
labelled with XYZ and upon building world/kernel, seeing version ABC,
inducing an Email to a mailing list asking "I downloaded XYZ, but I'm
seeing string ABC.  Where is the tag for XYZ?  I want to follow it",
only to be told "XYZ is actually PRERELEASE").

In essence what I'm saying is we're inconsistent with the strings
we use for distributions of FreeBSD.  Users **barely** understand
the difference between -STABLE and -RELEASE, and only a select few
understand the difference between CVS tags RELENG_x and RELENG_x_y.

For distributions that are not STABLE or RELEASE, we need to stick with
a single string, and that string (IMHO) should be PRERELEASE-MMDD
(to signify the build date).

>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh
>>
>> To me, this means someone is hand-hacking the file before making ISO
>> releases.  The problem with this is there's no way to correlate what CVS
>> tag said string is based on; I have to assume it's RELENG_7.
>>
>> CC'ing Ken, who can probably explain where "BETA2" comes from, since I
>> believe he's the one who makes the builds.
>>
>> 
>> I really wish we'd name our not-yet-RELEASE-or-STABLE ISO releases as
>> FreeBSD x.y-PRERELEASE-MMDD, which would make more sense to users.
>> 

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Re: Upgrading 7.1-PRERELEASE

[Leslie Jensen]

Jeremy Chadwick skrev:

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:41:05AM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:

Jeremy Chadwick skrev:

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:24:56AM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:
I'm running 7.1-PRERELEASE. Yesterday I csup'ed and upgraded as I've  
done several times in order to install 7.1-BETA2. Everything went as 
it  should, but my system still says 7.1-PRERELEASE. In my 
stable-supfile I  have "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7".


Can anyone tell me where I can make sure that my system upgrades to BETA-2?

You are essentially running BETA2, with even newer fixes since the BETA2
release.  You should stay with the RELENG_7 tag.


Thanks Jeremy
I thought that the uname tag would change to "BETA-2"


I sincerely do not know where "BETA2" (not "BETA-2") comes from.  It's
not defined anywhere in src/sys/conf/newvers.sh in CVS:


I got it from here
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-October/046037.html
/Leslie





http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh

To me, this means someone is hand-hacking the file before making ISO
releases.  The problem with this is there's no way to correlate what CVS
tag said string is based on; I have to assume it's RELENG_7.

CC'ing Ken, who can probably explain where "BETA2" comes from, since I
believe he's the one who makes the builds.


I really wish we'd name our not-yet-RELEASE-or-STABLE ISO releases as
FreeBSD x.y-PRERELEASE-MMDD, which would make more sense to users.



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Re: Upgrading 7.1-PRERELEASE

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:41:05AM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:
> Jeremy Chadwick skrev:
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:24:56AM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:
>>> I'm running 7.1-PRERELEASE. Yesterday I csup'ed and upgraded as I've  
>>> done several times in order to install 7.1-BETA2. Everything went as 
>>> it  should, but my system still says 7.1-PRERELEASE. In my 
>>> stable-supfile I  have "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7".
>>>
>>> Can anyone tell me where I can make sure that my system upgrades to BETA-2?
>>
>> You are essentially running BETA2, with even newer fixes since the BETA2
>> release.  You should stay with the RELENG_7 tag.
>>
> Thanks Jeremy
> I thought that the uname tag would change to "BETA-2"

I sincerely do not know where "BETA2" (not "BETA-2") comes from.  It's
not defined anywhere in src/sys/conf/newvers.sh in CVS:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh

To me, this means someone is hand-hacking the file before making ISO
releases.  The problem with this is there's no way to correlate what CVS
tag said string is based on; I have to assume it's RELENG_7.

CC'ing Ken, who can probably explain where "BETA2" comes from, since I
believe he's the one who makes the builds.


I really wish we'd name our not-yet-RELEASE-or-STABLE ISO releases as
FreeBSD x.y-PRERELEASE-MMDD, which would make more sense to users.


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Re: Printing to a Lanier LD160c does not work

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:42:41PM -0700, Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez 
wrote:
> El Jue 16 Oct 2008, Jeremy Chadwick escribió:
> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:36:42PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I am trying to setup a Lanier LD160c (admincolor) that has a network
> > > interface.  I am new to FreeBSD and tried to follow the handbook.  I am
> > > able to print to a HP 5SI (corp-admin) with no problems.  There are no
> > > errors in the lpd-errs and the file is drained from the queue, but the
> > > printer does not print anything.  And this is a working printer to
> > > Windows. lpr -P admincolor testfile.txt
> > >
> > > printcap:
> > > corp-admin|hp|laserjet|Hewlett Packard LaserJet 5Si:\
> > >
> > >         :lp=\
> > >         :sd=/var/spool/output/corp-admin:rm=corp-admin:\
> > >         :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\
> > >         :if=/usr/local/libexec/crlfilter:sh:tr=\f:mx#0:
> > >
> > > admincolor|hp|laserjet|LANIER LD160c RPCS:\
> > >
> > >         :lp=\
> > >         :sd=/var/spool/output/admincolor:rm=admincolor:\
> > >         :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:
> >
> > If this printer is hooked up on the network (e.g. via Ethernet), I
> > believe you need to set the lp variable to the hostname or IP address of
> > the printer, e.g.:
> >
> > admincolor|hp|laserjet|LANIER LD160c RPCS:\
> >
> >   :lp=192.168.1.100\
> >   :sd=/var/spool/output/admincolor:rm=admincolor:\
> >   :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:
> >
> 
> Negative, leave the lp capability blank, explicitly (:lp=:).
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-advanced.html#PRINTING-ADVANCED-NETWORK-RM

Then the printcap(5) man page should reflect this; the existing
explanations for both fields are painfully terse.

lp str   /dev/lpdevice name to open for
output, or [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
open a TCP socket
rm str   NULL   machine name for remote
printer

I can file a PR (to doc) on this if recommended.

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Re: Extract Songs from DVD

[John L. Templer]

Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:35:25 -0400, "John L. Templer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> Polytropon wrote:
>>> % dd if=/dev/acd0t01 of=track01.cdr bs=2352
>> Very cool!  I have a few questions though.  I notice this doesn't work
>> for my Plextor CD writer.
> 
> What, dd doesn't work from Plextor writer? I had (or, still have)
> a Plextor CD writer which is SCSI, so I just have to change the
> command in order to read from the correct device, which is /dev/cd0
> for the first SCSI CD drive:
> 
>   % dd if=/dev/cd0t01 of=track01.cdr bs=2352
> 
> Of course, you would have to change other commands in order to get
> this correct, for example:
> 
>   % cdcontrol -f /dev/cd0 info
> 
> 
> 
>> I assume this is because CD and DVD drives
>> have different drivers?
> 
> Maybe, but I think these basic things rely on the same commands
> internally.
> 
> 
> 
>> Also, does this use libparanoia or something
>> similar to extract "recalcitrant" tracks?
> 
> No, dd reads block-wise. There's dd_rescue which is able to read
> from defectively manufactured media (we call them "Un-CDs" or
> "Un-DVDs" in Germany).
> 
> Another option, by the way, is to use cdrdao. It has the read
> command in combination with a paranoia level switch which can be
> adjusted in order to read mentioned media. As far as I remember,
> you need to have the atapicam facility in your kernel (custom
> compile kernel or module) in order to access ATAPI devices just
> like SCSI devices.
> 
>   % camcontrol devlist
> 
> will then show you which device equals /dev/cd0, e. g. 0,0,0
> (1st SCSI controller, 1st device, 1st LUN).
> 
> 
> 
> If I did misunderstand the question, just post another one. :-)
> (English is not my native language.)

Actually, I was referring to having individual device files for each
track on the CD.  When I put an audio CD in the Plexwriter CD writer, it
doesn't create the device files for the tracks.  However when I put it
in the DVD reader it does create acd0t01 through acd0t11, or however
many tracks are on the CD.  My Plexwriter is SCSI, but the DVD drives
are IDE.

Under Solaris x86 or Ubuntu Linux I have to use an application like
cdrecord or soundjuicer to extract the audio tracks.  These applications
bypass the device files and go straight to the SCSI interface layer.
libparanoia is a library that handles the tricky bits of reading the
data off the CD.  Just using dd to copy the data from the device file
often results in corrupted data.  I was wondering if the BSD kernel (or
devd or whatever) uses a similar method of handling all the different
variations that audio format CDs have.
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Re: Printing to a Lanier LD160c does not work

[Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez]

El Jue 16 Oct 2008, Jeremy Chadwick escribió:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:36:42PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I am trying to setup a Lanier LD160c (admincolor) that has a network
> > interface.  I am new to FreeBSD and tried to follow the handbook.  I am
> > able to print to a HP 5SI (corp-admin) with no problems.  There are no
> > errors in the lpd-errs and the file is drained from the queue, but the
> > printer does not print anything.  And this is a working printer to
> > Windows. lpr -P admincolor testfile.txt
> >
> > printcap:
> > corp-admin|hp|laserjet|Hewlett Packard LaserJet 5Si:\
> >
> >         :lp=\
> >         :sd=/var/spool/output/corp-admin:rm=corp-admin:\
> >         :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\
> >         :if=/usr/local/libexec/crlfilter:sh:tr=\f:mx#0:
> >
> > admincolor|hp|laserjet|LANIER LD160c RPCS:\
> >
> >         :lp=\
> >         :sd=/var/spool/output/admincolor:rm=admincolor:\
> >         :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:
>
> If this printer is hooked up on the network (e.g. via Ethernet), I
> believe you need to set the lp variable to the hostname or IP address of
> the printer, e.g.:
>
> admincolor|hp|laserjet|LANIER LD160c RPCS:\
>
>   :lp=192.168.1.100\
>   :sd=/var/spool/output/admincolor:rm=admincolor:\
>   :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:
>

Negative, leave the lp capability blank, explicitly (:lp=:).

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-advanced.html#PRINTING-ADVANCED-NETWORK-RM
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Re: Upgrading 7.1-PRERELEASE

[Leslie Jensen]

Jeremy Chadwick skrev:

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:24:56AM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:
I'm running 7.1-PRERELEASE. Yesterday I csup'ed and upgraded as I've  
done several times in order to install 7.1-BETA2. Everything went as it  
should, but my system still says 7.1-PRERELEASE. In my stable-supfile I  
have "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7".


Can anyone tell me where I can make sure that my system upgrades to BETA-2?


You are essentially running BETA2, with even newer fixes since the BETA2
release.  You should stay with the RELENG_7 tag.


Thanks Jeremy
I thought that the uname tag would change to "BETA-2"
/Leslie
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Re: Upgrading 7.1-PRERELEASE

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:24:56AM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:
> I'm running 7.1-PRERELEASE. Yesterday I csup'ed and upgraded as I've  
> done several times in order to install 7.1-BETA2. Everything went as it  
> should, but my system still says 7.1-PRERELEASE. In my stable-supfile I  
> have "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7".
>
> Can anyone tell me where I can make sure that my system upgrades to BETA-2?

You are essentially running BETA2, with even newer fixes since the BETA2
release.  You should stay with the RELENG_7 tag.

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Upgrading 7.1-PRERELEASE

[Leslie Jensen]

I'm running 7.1-PRERELEASE. Yesterday I csup'ed and upgraded as I've 
done several times in order to install 7.1-BETA2. Everything went as it 
should, but my system still says 7.1-PRERELEASE. In my stable-supfile I 
have "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7".


Can anyone tell me where I can make sure that my system upgrades to BETA-2?

Thank you

/Leslie
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Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Oct 23), Alexander Sack said:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Alexander Kabaev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for native 64bit rtld. If you want a specific
> > path added for use by 32-bit ld-elf.so.1 only, use
> > LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH.
> >
> > Said that, your problem is likely caused by the fact that there is
> > no /lib32, only /usr/lib32. So if 64-bit library lives in /lib,
> > your LD_LIBRARY_PATH will cause loader to find its 32-bit
> > equivalent in /usr/lib32 first.
> >
> > Try LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64 for better
> > results.
> 
> Yes I figured that out on my own but my question still exists, why
> isn't /usr/lib similar in format to /usr/lib32 though with respect to
> major numbers?

Ever since the switch from static to dynamic-linked /bin and /sbin,
some shared libraries are needed during the boot process.  Those
libraries live in /lib, and since there are no 32-bit binaries required
to boot a 64-bit system, there is no need for a /lib32.

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Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Nate Eldredge]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Alexander Sack wrote:


Alright, well I found some weirdness:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# export 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# LD_DEBUG=1 ls
/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 is initialized, base address = 0x800506000
RTLD dynamic = 0x80062ad78
RTLD pltgot  = 0x0
processing main program's program header
Filling in DT_DEBUG entry
lm_init("(null)")
loading LD_PRELOAD libraries
loading needed objects
Searching for "libutil.so.5"
 Trying "/usr/bin/libutil.so.5"
 Trying "/usr/lib/libutil.so.5"
 Trying "/usr/lib32/libutil.so.5"
loading "/usr/lib32/libutil.so.5"
/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib32/libutil.so.5: unsupported file layout

That's because libutil.so.5 does not exist in /usr/lib only in /lib.
The /usr/lib directory has:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l  /usr/lib/libutil*
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  100518 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib/libutil.a
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  wheel  17 Sep 11 11:44 /usr/lib/libutil.so ->
/lib/libutil.so.5
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  103846 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib/libutil_p.a

So rtld is looking for major number 5 of libutil, without the standard
/lib in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH it searches /usr/lib, doesn't find it but:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l  /usr/lib32/libutil*
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  65274 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib32/libutil.a
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  wheel 12 Sep 11 11:45 /usr/lib32/libutil.so ->
libutil.so.5
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  46872 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib32/libutil.so.5
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  66918 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib32/libutil_p.a

And whalah, I'm broke since there is a libutil.so.5 in there.

So my question to anyone out there, WHY does /usr/lib32 contain major
numbers but /usr/lib does not?  This seems like a bug to me (FreeBSD
7.0-RELEASE is the same) or at least a dubious design decision.


I think the distinction is this.  rtld is looking for libutil.so.5 (with 
version number).  This file has to be in /lib, in the root filesystem, so 
that programs can run before /usr is mounted.


libutil.so on the other hand is not searched for by rtld, but by ld 
(driven by cc), when the program is built.  /usr/lib is the traditional 
place for it to search; I'm not sure if it searches /lib at all.  In the 
case of static libraries, /usr/lib is certainly the right place for 
libutil.a to go, so having libutil.so there makes sense in my mind.


I think your best bet is to dig into whatever is setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
and get it set correctly.  Remove /usr/lib32 or at least ensure that /lib 
is searched first.  Trying to change rtld's behavior is not the right 
approach, IMHO.


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Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Alexander Kabaev]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:31:40 -0400
"Alexander Sack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Yes I figured that out on my own but my question still exists, why
> isn't /usr/lib similar in format to /usr/lib32 though with respect to
> major numbers?  Actually now that I re-read your paragraph I suppose
> this isn't such a bad idea but for some reason I believe that if you
> have /usr/lib before /usr/lib32 it should *just* work.
> 


The last statement is as wrong as it gets. I tried but I still fail to
see the reason why you would possibly expect that to work reliably. By
setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /usr/lib:/usr/lib32, you cause dynamic
linker to look for libraries in /usr/lib, usr/lib32 and /lib in that
exact order, so if library in /usr/lib32 shadows one in /lib, it will
be rightly picked up and you will get exactly what you asked for.

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Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Alexander Kabaev]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:48:47 -0400
"Alexander Sack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks, comments most appreciated.  Damn, I was looking for someone to
> go "a ha, you can't do this because"  Alright, let me see why rtld
> on 6.1-amd64 is picking up /usr/lib32 stuff for a native 64-bit binary
> via debugging techniques. This seems very very wrong to me.  I mean if
> /usr/lib is in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it comes before /usr/lib the
> /usr/lib32 *should* be innocuous, right?
> 
> Feel free to use that last statement on my epitaph!  :D
> 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for native 64bit rtld. If you want a specific path
added for use by 32-bit ld-elf.so.1 only, use LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH.

Said that, your problem is likely caused by the fact that there is
no /lib32, only /usr/lib32. So if 64-bit library lives in /lib,
your LD_LIBRARY_PATH will cause loader to find its 32-bit equivalent
in /usr/lib32 first.

Try LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64 for better
results.
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Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Alexander Sack]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Alexander Kabaev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:48:47 -0400
> "Alexander Sack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, comments most appreciated.  Damn, I was looking for someone to
>> go "a ha, you can't do this because"  Alright, let me see why rtld
>> on 6.1-amd64 is picking up /usr/lib32 stuff for a native 64-bit binary
>> via debugging techniques. This seems very very wrong to me.  I mean if
>> /usr/lib is in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it comes before /usr/lib the
>> /usr/lib32 *should* be innocuous, right?
>>
>> Feel free to use that last statement on my epitaph!  :D
>>
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for native 64bit rtld. If you want a specific path
> added for use by 32-bit ld-elf.so.1 only, use LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH.
>
> Said that, your problem is likely caused by the fact that there is
> no /lib32, only /usr/lib32. So if 64-bit library lives in /lib,
> your LD_LIBRARY_PATH will cause loader to find its 32-bit equivalent
> in /usr/lib32 first.
>
> Try LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64 for better
> results.

Yes I figured that out on my own but my question still exists, why
isn't /usr/lib similar in format to /usr/lib32 though with respect to
major numbers?  Actually now that I re-read your paragraph I suppose
this isn't such a bad idea but for some reason I believe that if you
have /usr/lib before /usr/lib32 it should *just* work.

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Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Alexander Sack]

Alright, well I found some weirdness:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# export 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# LD_DEBUG=1 ls
/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 is initialized, base address = 0x800506000
RTLD dynamic = 0x80062ad78
RTLD pltgot  = 0x0
processing main program's program header
Filling in DT_DEBUG entry
lm_init("(null)")
loading LD_PRELOAD libraries
loading needed objects
 Searching for "libutil.so.5"
  Trying "/usr/bin/libutil.so.5"
  Trying "/usr/lib/libutil.so.5"
  Trying "/usr/lib32/libutil.so.5"
loading "/usr/lib32/libutil.so.5"
/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib32/libutil.so.5: unsupported file layout

That's because libutil.so.5 does not exist in /usr/lib only in /lib.
The /usr/lib directory has:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l  /usr/lib/libutil*
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  100518 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib/libutil.a
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  wheel  17 Sep 11 11:44 /usr/lib/libutil.so ->
/lib/libutil.so.5
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  103846 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib/libutil_p.a

So rtld is looking for major number 5 of libutil, without the standard
/lib in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH it searches /usr/lib, doesn't find it but:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l  /usr/lib32/libutil*
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  65274 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib32/libutil.a
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  wheel 12 Sep 11 11:45 /usr/lib32/libutil.so ->
libutil.so.5
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  46872 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib32/libutil.so.5
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  66918 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib32/libutil_p.a

And whalah, I'm broke since there is a libutil.so.5 in there.

So my question to anyone out there, WHY does /usr/lib32 contain major
numbers but /usr/lib does not?  This seems like a bug to me (FreeBSD
7.0-RELEASE is the same) or at least a dubious design decision.

Thanks!

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Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Alexander Sack]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> If you look at the rtld(1) man page, there are a number of environment
>> variables you can set to debug the loader.  I'm not sure how helpful
>> they are, though.
>
> You can rebuild rtld(1) with debugging enabled:
>
> % cd /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf
> % make clean
> % make DEBUG_FLAGS=-DDEBUG
> % make install
> % echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> /home/des/lib:/opt/varnish/lib:/usr/local/lib
> % LD_DEBUG=1 /usr/bin/true
> /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 is initialized, base address = 0x80050
> RTLD dynamic = 0x8006305b0
> RTLD pltgot  = 0x0
> processing main program's program header
> Filling in DT_DEBUG entry
> lm_init("(null)")
> loading LD_PRELOAD libraries
> loading needed objects
>  Searching for "libc.so.7"
>  Trying "/home/des/lib/libc.so.7"
>  Trying "/opt/varnish/lib/libc.so.7"
>  Trying "/usr/local/lib/libc.so.7"
>  Trying "/lib/libc.so.7"
> loading "/lib/libc.so.7"
> Ignoring d_tag 1879048185 = 0x6ff9
>  0x80063b000 .. 0x80085efff: /lib/libc.so.7
> checking for required versions
> initializing initial thread local storage
> relocating "/usr/bin/true"
> relocating "/lib/libc.so.7"
> doing copy relocations
> initializing key program variables
> "__progname": *0x5005e8 <-- 0x7fffebc1
> "environ": *0x500878 <-- 0x7fffe9a8
> initializing thread locks
> calling init function for /lib/libc.so.7 at 0x800664da8
> "__sysctl" in "libc.so.7" ==> 0x80071ae00 in "libc.so.7"
> reloc_jmpslot: *0x800845c78 = 0x80071ae00
> transferring control to program entry point = 0x400420
> "atexit" in "true" ==> 0x8006fac3e in "libc.so.7"
> reloc_jmpslot: *0x500868 = 0x8006fac3e
> "exit" in "true" ==> 0x8006af118 in "libc.so.7"
> reloc_jmpslot: *0x500860 = 0x8006af118
> "__cxa_finalize" in "libc.so.7" ==> 0x8006fa940 in "libc.so.7"
> reloc_jmpslot: *0x800846140 = 0x8006fa940
> rtld_exit()
> calling fini function for /lib/libc.so.7 at 0x80071ae60
> "_exit" in "libc.so.7" ==> 0x8006cfff0 in "libc.so.7"
> reloc_jmpslot: *0x8008471d8 = 0x8006cfff0
>
> DES
> --
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks, comments most appreciated.  Damn, I was looking for someone to
go "a ha, you can't do this because"  Alright, let me see why rtld
on 6.1-amd64 is picking up /usr/lib32 stuff for a native 64-bit binary
via debugging techniques. This seems very very wrong to me.  I mean if
/usr/lib is in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it comes before /usr/lib the
/usr/lib32 *should* be innocuous, right?

Feel free to use that last statement on my epitaph!  :D

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Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Dag-Erling Smørgrav]

"Alexander Sack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have some weird behavior I'm trying to figure out and was wondering
> if someone can point me in the right direction.  I'm running a FreeBSD
> 6.1-RELEASE-amd64 machine.  If I add /usr/lib32 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> it breaks all of my binaries on my 64-bit machine.
> [...]
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/bin:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64

I'm surprised you have /usr/bin in there...

> I would ASSUME that rtld would look at my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and use
> /usr/lib to find libraries, not /usr/lib32.  Why does it insist on
> picking /usr/lib32 when "/bin/ls" is CLEARLY a 64-bit binary?  This
> doesn't make complete sense to me just yet.

If you look at the rtld(1) man page, there are a number of environment
variables you can set to debug the loader.  I'm not sure how helpful
they are, though.

> Someone I'm sure is going "don't do that" and I agree.

Well, yeah, but it should (at the very least) fail in a more graceful
manner.

DES
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Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Dag-Erling Smørgrav]

Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If you look at the rtld(1) man page, there are a number of environment
> variables you can set to debug the loader.  I'm not sure how helpful
> they are, though.

You can rebuild rtld(1) with debugging enabled:

% cd /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf
% make clean
% make DEBUG_FLAGS=-DDEBUG
% make install
% echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
/home/des/lib:/opt/varnish/lib:/usr/local/lib
% LD_DEBUG=1 /usr/bin/true
/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 is initialized, base address = 0x80050
RTLD dynamic = 0x8006305b0
RTLD pltgot  = 0x0
processing main program's program header
Filling in DT_DEBUG entry
lm_init("(null)")
loading LD_PRELOAD libraries
loading needed objects
 Searching for "libc.so.7"
  Trying "/home/des/lib/libc.so.7"
  Trying "/opt/varnish/lib/libc.so.7"
  Trying "/usr/local/lib/libc.so.7"
  Trying "/lib/libc.so.7"
loading "/lib/libc.so.7"
Ignoring d_tag 1879048185 = 0x6ff9
  0x80063b000 .. 0x80085efff: /lib/libc.so.7
checking for required versions
initializing initial thread local storage
relocating "/usr/bin/true"
relocating "/lib/libc.so.7"
doing copy relocations
initializing key program variables
"__progname": *0x5005e8 <-- 0x7fffebc1
"environ": *0x500878 <-- 0x7fffe9a8
initializing thread locks
calling init function for /lib/libc.so.7 at 0x800664da8
"__sysctl" in "libc.so.7" ==> 0x80071ae00 in "libc.so.7"
reloc_jmpslot: *0x800845c78 = 0x80071ae00
transferring control to program entry point = 0x400420
"atexit" in "true" ==> 0x8006fac3e in "libc.so.7"
reloc_jmpslot: *0x500868 = 0x8006fac3e
"exit" in "true" ==> 0x8006af118 in "libc.so.7"
reloc_jmpslot: *0x500860 = 0x8006af118
"__cxa_finalize" in "libc.so.7" ==> 0x8006fa940 in "libc.so.7"
reloc_jmpslot: *0x800846140 = 0x8006fa940
rtld_exit()
calling fini function for /lib/libc.so.7 at 0x80071ae60
"_exit" in "libc.so.7" ==> 0x8006cfff0 in "libc.so.7"
reloc_jmpslot: *0x8008471d8 = 0x8006cfff0

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Re: Trouble Shutting down

[Glen Barber]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Juan Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using FreeBSD amd64  8-0-Current
>
> I set up window maker to start by "startx" command,
> but when I exit the window maker the screen just turns
> black nothing works so I'm force to unplug the power each
> time. This happens "sometimes" other times the terminal
> shows up and I can shutdown manually. Since I'm using
> a snapshot version of FreeBSD is this a bug?
>
> I'm not sure what logs to copy and paste here for more information.
>

Do you have the drivers for your graphics card installed?  What type
of graphics card is this?


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Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

[Alexander Sack]

Hello:

I have some weird behavior I'm trying to figure out and was wondering
if someone can point me in the right direction.  I'm running a FreeBSD
6.1-RELEASE-amd64 machine.  If I add /usr/lib32 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH
it breaks all of my binaries on my 64-bit machine.

For example:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# file /bin/ls
/bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (FreeBSD),
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ldd /bin/ls
/bin/ls:
libutil.so.5 => /lib/libutil.so.5 (0x80063)
libncurses.so.6 => /lib/libncurses.so.6 (0x80073d000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x800896000)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l /libexec/
total 306
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  163864 Aug 21  2007 ld-elf.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  146420 Aug 21  2007 ld-elf32.so.1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# export
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/bin:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls
/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib32/libutil.so.5: unsupported file layout
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls
(normal ls output)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l /usr/lib/libut*
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  100518 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib/libutil.a
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  wheel  17 Sep 11 11:44 /usr/lib/libutil.so ->
/lib/libutil.so.5
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  103846 Aug 21  2007 /usr/lib/libutil_p.a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# file /lib/libutil.so.5
/lib/libutil.so.5: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1
(FreeBSD), stripped

I would ASSUME that rtld would look at my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and use
/usr/lib to find libraries, not /usr/lib32.  Why does it insist on
picking /usr/lib32 when "/bin/ls" is CLEARLY a 64-bit binary?  This
doesn't make complete sense to me just yet.

Someone I'm sure is going "don't do that" and I agree.  The issue is
I'm porting a library/framework (boost) and it creates a runtime
LD_LIBRARY_PATH for its gcc toolchain with the above which breaks the
build ROYALLY on FreeBSD 64-bit machine.  I'm trying to come up with
the right heuristic here.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks!

-aps
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Trouble Shutting down

[Juan Ortega]

I'm using FreeBSD amd64  8-0-Current

I set up window maker to start by "startx" command,
but when I exit the window maker the screen just turns
black nothing works so I'm force to unplug the power each
time. This happens "sometimes" other times the terminal
shows up and I can shutdown manually. Since I'm using
a snapshot version of FreeBSD is this a bug?

I'm not sure what logs to copy and paste here for more information.
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Shutting down help

[Juan Ortega]

I'm using FreeBSD amd64  8-0-Current

I set up window maker to start by "startx" command,
but when I exit the window maker the screen just turns
black nothing works so I'm force to unplug the power each
time. This happens "sometimes" other times the terminal
shows up and I can shutdown manually. Since I'm using
a snapshot version of FreeBSD is this a bug?

I'm not sure what logs to copy and paste here for more information.
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problems getting server on line

[RAY]

Greetings;
I have an existing server running FreeBsd 6.3. It's running as a name/web/mail 
server. 
I have built a new server to replace it running FreeBsd 7.0. I have both 
servers attached to the same router, with the production server sitting in 
the DMZ. I have tried to switch them over by simply changing which server the 
DMZ points to. When I did this, the new server didn't work. I could connect 
to the webserver  (telnet to port 80) using either localhost or the private 
IP address (192.168...), but not using the domain name. I could connect to 
the default website properly from another computer on the same router using 
the private ip address.
My first guess was that it was the firewall on the server configured 
incorrectly, so I disabled PF which didn't help.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.
Ray
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Re: Locked out of Root

[Wojciech Puchar]

It guarantees that the root password is passed encrypted.

So, next time do NOT enable root loging via ssh.
Instead, put the non-root user in the wheel group.


funny :)



jerry



if course it's not bright to login as root over telnet through public
network, but too - it's not security hole in system, just in
administrator's brain if he/she do it this way.


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Re: man -t odd page size

[Jerry McAllister]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:23:10AM -1000, Al Plant wrote:

> Valentin Bud wrote:
> >hello,
> >what do you know about this site: http://www.metricamerica.com/.
> >i don't remember where i have read that America is going to apply the SI
> >(ess eye)
> >unit system.
> >so things are going to change maybe even the A4 papersize.
> >
> >a good day,
> >v
> #...
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> The Metric System has been a legal measure in the United States since 
> the 1860's.
> 
> There is nothing to stop anybody legally from using it.

Isn't it about time we dump the obsolete 'metric' system based on the
paltry base-10 arithmetic and move in to the future with a digitally
compatible system based on powers of 2!Divide the day in to 16 hours, 
16 minutes per hour, 16 seconds per minute, 16 ??? per second (make up 
a name), Divide the speed of light by a big power of 2 to get your base 
measurement of length.  Design 6 more digit symbols.  Through away
some of the dross in plain ASCII and fit them in there.

Quit trying to force people to count on their fingers.

jerry


> 
> In many places in the country both are used. Tue US Military uses 
> Metric. The film and Video industry for example. Here in Hawaii the 
> population is very diverse and most people have come from Metric 
> countries. If you have to ever work on maintaining equipment, mechanical 
> or electronic, here in the US, both tool sizes are a must. I had to 
> replace a storage battery yesterday on a clients Japanese Fork Lift and 
> the fasteners were all metric except for one battery terminal clamp.
> 
> I think the choice by locale for FreeBSD is an excellent solution.
> 
> 
> 
> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
>   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
>   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
>   < email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol
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Re: man -t odd page size

[Gonzalo Nemmi]

On Thursday 23 October 2008 5:39:36 pm Bob McConnell wrote:
> On Behalf Of Al Plant
>
> >Valentin Bud wrote:
> >> hello,
> >> what do you know about this site: http://www.metricamerica.com/.
> >> i don't remember where i have read that America is going to apply the
>
> SI
>
> >> (ess eye)
> >> unit system.
> >> so things are going to change maybe even the A4 papersize.
> >
> > The Metric System has been a legal measure in the United States since
> > the 1860's.
> >
> > There is nothing to stop anybody legally from using it.
>
> However, there is one problem. When I go into Staples, Office Depot or
> Sam's, they only have letter sized paper. I have yet to see a single box
> of A4 or any other ISO size. Sure, my printers can handle A4, but where
> can I buy a couple reams of it?

Turn it around and that's what happens to the rest of us who do not live in 
the US or Canada :(

I'm not saying "get rid of letter / drop letter" .. im just proposing to 
analize the idea that "letter" is no longer the one and only option available 
and that defaulting to it has no bad side effects .. A4 affects too many of 
us .. and having apps defaulting to letter is increasingly becoming a serious 
shortcoming that should start to be taken into consideration ... at least 
give us a simple to use flag :(

> Bob McConnell
> Ithaca, NY
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Re: man -t odd page size

[Gonzalo Nemmi]

On Thursday 23 October 2008 6:50:11 am Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:37:56 +1100 (EST), Ian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Well, a quarter of the people on this planet live in China, so by your
> > theory shouldn't the FreeBSD lists, docs and code all be in Chinese?
>
> Let me follow this Micky Mouse Logic. :-) Because the computer has
> been invented by a German, all computer stuff should be in the
> german language. And now all the Americans can feel how the average
> german computer user feels today: scared by all the things he doesn't
> understand. :-)

No, not German, please !!
It's really hard :(
French and Spanish and way easier ! or Italian !

(just joking :) but seriously .. german is way too hard to :( )

Cheers :)
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Re: man -t odd page size

[Gonzalo Nemmi]

On Thursday 23 October 2008 6:44:59 am Valentin Bud wrote:
> hello,
> what do you know about this site: http://www.metricamerica.com/.
> i don't remember where i have read that America is going to apply the SI
> (ess eye)
> unit system.
> so things are going to change maybe even the A4 papersize.
>
> a good day,
> v
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Ian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:35:25 -0200 Gonzalo Nemmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > On Wednesday 22 October 2008 10:38:40 pm Polytropon wrote:
> >
> > [..]
> >
> > Polytropon: thanks for pdfman script - but does 'pdfman ipfw' work for
> > you?  Here the 'overprinting' is misaligned in gv, while others are ok.
> >
> >  > > I know this is not the best idea, but it should be accomplishable
> >  > > without many problems. A better idea would be to write a simple
> >  > > filter that convert the man page (including formatting characters)
> >  > > into LaTeX source and then run it through pdflatex.
> >  >
> >  > Exactly .. you got it just the way I wanted .. after your
> >  > explanantion,
> >
> > the
> >
> >  > question _begs_ to be asked: do we, citizens of ISO 216 adopting
> >
> > countries,
> >
> >  > have to walk that cumbersome path in order to get something as simple
> >  > as
> >
> > an
> >
> >  > ISO compliant document??
> >  >
> >  > Shouldn't it be the other way around???
> >  >
> >  > Does an inmensily huge majority have to walk the extra mile in order
> >  > to
> >
> > get an
> >
> >  > ISO compliant document whereas a small minority benefits from having
> >  > non
> >
> > ISO
> >
> >  > complaint default formats???
> >
> > Gonzalo: shouldn't that be 'the extra kilometre?' :)
> >
> > Well, a quarter of the people on this planet live in China, so by your
> > theory shouldn't the FreeBSD lists, docs and code all be in Chinese?

No .. languages are not ISO standards... let alone the fact that we are not 
discussing languages in here.

> > I doubt an 'immensely huge majority' of FreeBSD systems are located
> > outside the US (data at http://www.bsdstats.org/freebsd/countries.php
> > notwithstanding, reckoning Australia to have the most FreeBSD users :)

That's only if you take bsdstats as the ultimate and most authoritative word 
on the location of FreeBSD based systems. I do not. And actually Im running 3 
FreeBSD systems in my place and Argentina doesn't even figure on that list.

> >  > I, for once, would pretty much like to know the logic behind that
> >
> > decision.
> >
> > It's not logic, nor even a decision, but simply a matter of tradition.

I wonder why did we stop using the abacus .. or candles .. they where pretty 
traditional back in those days ...

> >  > > > and on a side note: will we ever get to see ISO 216 A4 as the
> >
> > default
> >
> >  > > > choice for output instead of not-standard, only usefull in the US
> >
> > but
> >
> >  > > > useless in the rest of the whole world "letter" page size and the
> >  > > > likes???
> >
> > I've yet to run into any printing or display software that didn't offer
> > a wide choice of formats, including A4 and many other A* sizes, so what
> > any particular software chooses as its 'default' scarcely matters.

To you .. but not for me or for anyone who lives in a country in which 
non-iso-standard paper (like letter) is simply _not_available_ or costs twice 
as much as A4.

I undertand this may not be a problem for someone who can just "man -t man  |
ps2pdf14 - > man_getopt" and get a printable pdf that uses the whole page but 
I have to go "zcat `man -w ls` | groff -Tps -dpaper=a4 -P-pa4 -mandoc | 
ps2pdf - tmp.pdf" in order to get a usefull output or use the first method 
and waste a lot of paper (wasting resources .. wich is something the, we, 
citizens of the third world can not afford).
 
> >  > > You're getting my thoughts, man. :-) I'd like to see this happen,
> >  > > too, but I don't think the developers of FreeBSD and all the fine
> >  > > applications will say goodbye to their Letter, Legal, Exec etc.
> >  > > paper formats. A4 isn't a DIN standard anymore, its ISO for many
> >  > > years now, and unlike Letter, it has the ability to be scaled
> >  > > (to half size, to quarter size, to double size) easily. Today,
> >  > > the manual replacement of many different settings is needed to
> >  > > get a system A4 compliant.
> >  > >
> >  > > Greetings from Germany, where A4 is the standard for more than
> >  > > a century now. =^_^=
> >  >
> >  > I really hope they do, or at least, start contemplating the fact that
> >
> > ISO
> >
> >  > standards are usefull as a whole or are not usefull at all ..
> >
> > That's not true at all; there's no 'all or nothing' about standards.
> > What actually works and is adopted in the real world determines that.

ISO 216 works (and it has worked ever since it's conception, more than 100 
years ago) and is adopted in the real world, except for the US, Mexico and 
Canada.

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html

> >

RE: man -t odd page size

[Bob McConnell]

From: Jon Radel
>Bob McConnell wrote:
>> On Behalf Of Al Plant
>>> Valentin Bud wrote:
 hello,
 what do you know about this site: http://www.metricamerica.com/.
 i don't remember where i have read that America is going to apply
the
>> SI
 (ess eye)
 unit system.
 so things are going to change maybe even the A4 papersize.

>> 
>>> The Metric System has been a legal measure in the United States
since 
>>> the 1860's.
>>>
>>> There is nothing to stop anybody legally from using it.
>> 
>> However, there is one problem. When I go into Staples, Office Depot
or
>> Sam's, they only have letter sized paper. I have yet to see a single
box
>> of A4 or any other ISO size. Sure, my printers can handle A4, but
where
>> can I buy a couple reams of it?
>> 
>> Bob McConnell
>> Ithaca, NY
> 
> Locally, probably nowhere.  But try
> 
> www.staples.com
> 
> where there's currently one type of paper available by the ream or
case.
>  Of course, it costs more and then you'll need to get A4 binders,
> slightly longer file folders, a new file cabinet, 
> 
> It's not easy switching.

Well, in this case I don't plan to switch the whole house over. But I do
have a few documents and schematics that I would like to print on the
correct size paper instead of having to bypass the size check at the
printer.

It does look like online ordering is the only way for now.

Thanks,

Bob McConnell
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Re: man -t odd page size

[Jon Radel]

Bob McConnell wrote:
> On Behalf Of Al Plant
>> Valentin Bud wrote:
>>> hello,
>>> what do you know about this site: http://www.metricamerica.com/.
>>> i don't remember where i have read that America is going to apply the
> SI
>>> (ess eye)
>>> unit system.
>>> so things are going to change maybe even the A4 papersize.
>>>
> 
>> The Metric System has been a legal measure in the United States since 
>> the 1860's.
>>
>> There is nothing to stop anybody legally from using it.
> 
> However, there is one problem. When I go into Staples, Office Depot or
> Sam's, they only have letter sized paper. I have yet to see a single box
> of A4 or any other ISO size. Sure, my printers can handle A4, but where
> can I buy a couple reams of it?
> 
> Bob McConnell
> Ithaca, NY

Locally, probably nowhere.  But try

www.staples.com

where there's currently one type of paper available by the ream or case.
 Of course, it costs more and then you'll need to get A4 binders,
slightly longer file folders, a new file cabinet, 

It's not easy switching.

--Jon Radel



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RE: man -t odd page size

[Bob McConnell]

On Behalf Of Al Plant
>Valentin Bud wrote:
>> hello,
>> what do you know about this site: http://www.metricamerica.com/.
>> i don't remember where i have read that America is going to apply the
SI
>> (ess eye)
>> unit system.
>> so things are going to change maybe even the A4 papersize.
>> 

> The Metric System has been a legal measure in the United States since 
> the 1860's.
> 
> There is nothing to stop anybody legally from using it.

However, there is one problem. When I go into Staples, Office Depot or
Sam's, they only have letter sized paper. I have yet to see a single box
of A4 or any other ISO size. Sure, my printers can handle A4, but where
can I buy a couple reams of it?

Bob McConnell
Ithaca, NY
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Re: man -t odd page size

[Al Plant]

Valentin Bud wrote:

hello,
what do you know about this site: http://www.metricamerica.com/.
i don't remember where i have read that America is going to apply the SI
(ess eye)
unit system.
so things are going to change maybe even the A4 papersize.

a good day,
v

#...

Aloha,

The Metric System has been a legal measure in the United States since 
the 1860's.


There is nothing to stop anybody legally from using it.

In many places in the country both are used. Tue US Military uses 
Metric. The film and Video industry for example. Here in Hawaii the 
population is very diverse and most people have come from Metric 
countries. If you have to ever work on maintaining equipment, mechanical 
or electronic, here in the US, both tool sizes are a must. I had to 
replace a storage battery yesterday on a clients Japanese Fork Lift and 
the fasteners were all metric except for one battery terminal clamp.


I think the choice by locale for FreeBSD is an excellent solution.



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Re: Boot device question

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Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

> 
> AFAIK, at/target/unit are hint commands only available to da(4),
> at least that's what I see from the source code.  I see no such
> support for ad(4), so I do not think this will work for him.
> 
> Also, I'll remind people once more: stop modifying device.hints!  The
> file can/will be overwritten in some cases, and you will lose your
> changes!  You're living dangerously.
> 
> Use loader.conf to do what you need; you can literally copy/paste
> those lines into loader.conf and achieve the same, without the risks.
> 

Hi Jeremy,

Excellent points all - thank you.  I will make the migration from
device.hints to loader.conf as you noted!

Regards,
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Re: downloading linux_base-fc4

[Boris Samorodov]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:19:31 -0400 matt donovan wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Boris Samorodov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:49:01 -0200 luizbcampos wrote:
> >
> > > After I had tried to download linux_base-fc4 I got file
> > > unavailable not found no access...I need to put my printer to work!
> >
> > You may try to use packages:
> >
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.html
> >
> > > What`s the matter?
> >
> > You didn't show any diagnostics (exact commands, exact output, etc.)
> > so it's hard to say anything.
> >
> the problem with the port your installing is that it takes 5 mirrors or so
> to even find .rpms that even work

A patch for ports/Mk/bsd.sites.mk has just been committed. The problem
should go away. Thanks for pointing this out.


WBR
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Re: Locked out of Root

[Lowell Gilbert]

mdh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>
> If he can get to the system console, why would he need to bother booting to 
> single user mode?  He said he has the root password.  He should just be able 
> to login normally, if he can get to the system console.  

To be honest, I was just guessing that there was more going on than we
were told.  

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Photoshop under wine

[Markus Klaschka]

Hi list, I have exactly that issue:
http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?p=3198&sid=5834d53c839cabfb29b6c2291acb0dca

...any ideas?

Cheers
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Re: Boot device question

[Chris Pratt]

On Oct 23, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:


On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:12:38AM -0700, Chris Pratt wrote:

I have a server with 6 hot-swap SATA slots. It was delivered
...

I was thinking a right approach would be to change fstab to
reference ad2 for all the system disk file systems, shutdown,
move that drive to the first bay and plug the new drive into the
2nd bay. This seemed like more of a permanent solution.


This is the solution I go with, because it's obvious and doesn't add
more complexity to the picture.

If the installation was originally done when the disk was considered
ad4, for example, you should still be able to boot that drive (no  
matter

what port it's on, assuming SATA), choose single-user at the
beastie/loader menu, then make changes to /etc/fstab.  Upon reboot (in
multi-user mode) things should "just work", sans any programs which  
you

have that might refer to disks by device (e.g.  smartd.conf, etc.)

You can avoid the single-user step if you enjoy living dangerously.


It was sensed as ad4 and there wasn't an ad2 (which always made me
wonder though not enough to actually look into it). This is why I  
presumed
if I placed the system disk in the first bay, it would be seen as / 
dev/ad2.

Single user and a console are the key here I can tell. No free lunch.



If those /dev/ad* files are created at boot dynamically,
this should work. I've found docs that imply that they are
dynamically discovered and created from FreeBSD 5 forward
(auto-discovery?). Are they or do I need to create them prior to
start up.


They are, and it's hard to explain why/how.

The "dynamic" aspect is entirely dependent upon different features/ 
modes

of the ATA configuration though.  For example, a SATA controller
operating in "Legacy/Compatible" mode might show two SATA disks as
ata0-master and ata0-slave (even though they're SATA); the same
controller in "Enhanced" mode might show the disks as ata4-master
and ata5-master; the same controller in AHCI mode might show the disks
as ata8-master and ata10-master.

I think some people deal with this problem using glabel(8), but as I
mentioned, I prefer to do things the old-fashioned way.


I see why a simple answer doesn't pop out on searching. Too many
possible configurations and results vary with each. This driver appears
to enumerate the bays as ad2 (hoping), ad4, 6, 8, 10, and 12. The
device minor numbers seemed they must have been created on the fly
since acd0 is 79, ad4 is presently 80, ad6, 8, 10, and 12 are 81 through
84 respectively.



The thing is, there is no easy recovery from failure here since I
have no console monitor to let me see what's going on or to fix
fstab if it fails (counter-intuitively, the only place I can access
the console is from remote locations ;-)), so I just want to know
if I'm thinking straight?


See bottom of my mail.


The plan is:

1. Change /etc/fstab entries for ad4 filesystems to ad2
2. Shutdown
3. Put the system disk in Bay 1
4. Power up

Should it boot?


How certain are you that "bay 1" correlates with ad4?  That's the real
question here.


I think I see your point, the second bay may not be the system disk.
Getting a console sounds like it's necessary. I didn't really explain  
that.

It's not a co-locate, but a business's server room with 10 servers all
connected to a KVM. The KVM is reachable only from certain IPs. The
local monitor is fried and I have no spares. You caught me in laziness
here. I need to haul a monitor with me and I can more safely do this
switch. Seeing what's happening at boot will tell me if the above
assumptions are valid and how to proceed. I think you implied that
you move the disk first, boot and see what we end up with. It
eliminates numerous questions and allows a recoverable process. I'll
get a real console on it. This also means I can use a live CD disk
if necessary.


You obviously have *some* form of access to the machine physically --
or, your co-location provider is offering "remote hands" capability.
...
If you're with a co-lo provider who doesn't offer this capability,
consider switching to one who does.  There is absolutely no reason
to accept lack-of remote management in this day and age.



Thanks for your reply. As always, you give a lot of thought to your
responses. I'll study some of this you've mentioned to see if I can
understand how the devices are created for my specific setups on
all the servers. It's always quite fuzzy to me.




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Re: Boot device question

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:42:26AM -0500, Greg Larkin wrote:
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> 
> Chris Pratt wrote:
> > I have a server with 6 hot-swap SATA slots. It was delivered
> > with the first slot empty and 5 drives set up as /dev/ad4 through
> > /dev/ad12. I'd never paid attention to this until I wanted to add
> > a 6th, now 4 years later. When I popped it in, I realized the
> > empty bay was not 6 but rather bay 1, and of course it wouldn't
> > boot. Presumably /dev/ad2 had now come alive for the first time.
> > I popped out the disk, rebooted and after it was up, I plugged it
> > back in (hot) and ran sysinstall. It didn't see the disk so I couldn't
> > fdisk it. No device files existed for it.
> > 
> > I was thinking a right approach would be to change fstab to
> > reference ad2 for all the system disk file systems, shutdown,
> > move that drive to the first bay and plug the new drive into the
> > 2nd bay. This seemed like more of a permanent solution.
> > If those /dev/ad* files are created at boot dynamically,
> > this should work. I've found docs that imply that they are
> > dynamically discovered and created from FreeBSD 5 forward
> > (auto-discovery?). Are they or do I need to create them prior to
> > start up.
> > 
> > The thing is, there is no easy recovery from failure here since I
> > have no console monitor to let me see what's going on or to fix
> > fstab if it fails (counter-intuitively, the only place I can access
> > the console is from remote locations ;-)), so I just want to know
> > if I'm thinking straight? The plan is:
> > 
> > 1. Change /etc/fstab entries for ad4 filesystems to ad2
> > 2. Shutdown
> > 3. Put the system disk in Bay 1
> > 4. Power up
> > 
> > Should it boot?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I don't know the answer to that question, but I do know that you can
> wire physical devices to specific devices files in /dev.  I use the
> /boot/device.hints file to do that.  Check this page for more
> information:
> http://threads.seas.gwu.edu/cgi-bin/man2web?program=scbus§ion=4
> 
> Halfway down the page, you'll see directives like:
> 
> hint.da.0.at="scbus0"
> hint.da.0.target="0"
> hint.da.0.unit="0"
> 
> I believe you can do something similar with your ad devices, and force
> the new drive to a different /dev/ad? device file that doesn't cause a
> boot problem.

AFAIK, at/target/unit are hint commands only available to da(4),
at least that's what I see from the source code.  I see no such
support for ad(4), so I do not think this will work for him.

Also, I'll remind people once more: stop modifying device.hints!  The
file can/will be overwritten in some cases, and you will lose your
changes!  You're living dangerously.

Use loader.conf to do what you need; you can literally copy/paste
those lines into loader.conf and achieve the same, without the risks.

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Re: Boot device question

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:12:38AM -0700, Chris Pratt wrote:
> I have a server with 6 hot-swap SATA slots. It was delivered
> with the first slot empty and 5 drives set up as /dev/ad4 through
> /dev/ad12. I'd never paid attention to this until I wanted to add
> a 6th, now 4 years later. When I popped it in, I realized the
> empty bay was not 6 but rather bay 1, and of course it wouldn't
> boot. Presumably /dev/ad2 had now come alive for the first time.
> I popped out the disk, rebooted and after it was up, I plugged it
> back in (hot) and ran sysinstall. It didn't see the disk so I couldn't
> fdisk it. No device files existed for it.
>
> I was thinking a right approach would be to change fstab to
> reference ad2 for all the system disk file systems, shutdown,
> move that drive to the first bay and plug the new drive into the
> 2nd bay. This seemed like more of a permanent solution.

This is the solution I go with, because it's obvious and doesn't add
more complexity to the picture.

If the installation was originally done when the disk was considered
ad4, for example, you should still be able to boot that drive (no matter
what port it's on, assuming SATA), choose single-user at the
beastie/loader menu, then make changes to /etc/fstab.  Upon reboot (in
multi-user mode) things should "just work", sans any programs which you
have that might refer to disks by device (e.g.  smartd.conf, etc.)

You can avoid the single-user step if you enjoy living dangerously.

> If those /dev/ad* files are created at boot dynamically,
> this should work. I've found docs that imply that they are
> dynamically discovered and created from FreeBSD 5 forward
> (auto-discovery?). Are they or do I need to create them prior to
> start up.

They are, and it's hard to explain why/how.

The "dynamic" aspect is entirely dependent upon different features/modes
of the ATA configuration though.  For example, a SATA controller
operating in "Legacy/Compatible" mode might show two SATA disks as
ata0-master and ata0-slave (even though they're SATA); the same
controller in "Enhanced" mode might show the disks as ata4-master
and ata5-master; the same controller in AHCI mode might show the disks
as ata8-master and ata10-master.

I think some people deal with this problem using glabel(8), but as I
mentioned, I prefer to do things the old-fashioned way.

> The thing is, there is no easy recovery from failure here since I
> have no console monitor to let me see what's going on or to fix
> fstab if it fails (counter-intuitively, the only place I can access
> the console is from remote locations ;-)), so I just want to know
> if I'm thinking straight?

See bottom of my mail.

> The plan is:
>
> 1. Change /etc/fstab entries for ad4 filesystems to ad2
> 2. Shutdown
> 3. Put the system disk in Bay 1
> 4. Power up
>
> Should it boot?

How certain are you that "bay 1" correlates with ad4?  That's the real
question here.

You obviously have *some* form of access to the machine physically --
or, your co-location provider is offering "remote hands" capability.
This would be the first time I'd *ever* heard of a co-lo offering that
feature without volunteering to put a VGA monitor + keyboard on the
machine so they can see what's going on for you.  (Most providers will
give you "remote hands" for free, as long as the duration of incident
does not exceed 10-15 minutes).

Since these bays are hot-swappable, why don't you have the remote hands
person insert a new disk into the spare/empty bay?

You should be able to run "atacontrol attach " (where channel
is the ATA channel which has no disk attached to it, see atacontrol
list), and then see what the newly-inserted disk's device name is.  Make
note of it, then do "atacontrol detach ", then have the remote
hands person remove the disk they just installed.  After that, edit
/etc/fstab with the information you just obtained, shutdown -p now,
then have the remote hands person move the OS disk into the spare/empty
bay; that should be sufficient.

All that said:

I strongly urge you to take the time to consider the volatility of your
situation.  You have something that is obviously critical to you, in a
remote location, with no remote way to manage it other than SSH.  The
year is 2008: there are tons of ways to solve this problem.  Your
provider should really offer serial console hookups, KVM-over-IP, or at
bare minimum, their remote hands folks should be permitted to hook up
a keyboard and VGA monitor and have you step them through what to do
over the phone.  Our co-lo provider offers this for free, as long as
the duration of the incident does not take more than 10-15 minutes;
otherwise, it's expensive (hundreds of dollars).

If you're with a co-lo provider who doesn't offer this capability,
consider switching to one who does.  There is absolutely no reason
to accept lack-of remote management in this day and age.

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Re: Boot device question

[Greg Larkin]

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Chris Pratt wrote:
> I have a server with 6 hot-swap SATA slots. It was delivered
> with the first slot empty and 5 drives set up as /dev/ad4 through
> /dev/ad12. I'd never paid attention to this until I wanted to add
> a 6th, now 4 years later. When I popped it in, I realized the
> empty bay was not 6 but rather bay 1, and of course it wouldn't
> boot. Presumably /dev/ad2 had now come alive for the first time.
> I popped out the disk, rebooted and after it was up, I plugged it
> back in (hot) and ran sysinstall. It didn't see the disk so I couldn't
> fdisk it. No device files existed for it.
> 
> I was thinking a right approach would be to change fstab to
> reference ad2 for all the system disk file systems, shutdown,
> move that drive to the first bay and plug the new drive into the
> 2nd bay. This seemed like more of a permanent solution.
> If those /dev/ad* files are created at boot dynamically,
> this should work. I've found docs that imply that they are
> dynamically discovered and created from FreeBSD 5 forward
> (auto-discovery?). Are they or do I need to create them prior to
> start up.
> 
> The thing is, there is no easy recovery from failure here since I
> have no console monitor to let me see what's going on or to fix
> fstab if it fails (counter-intuitively, the only place I can access
> the console is from remote locations ;-)), so I just want to know
> if I'm thinking straight? The plan is:
> 
> 1. Change /etc/fstab entries for ad4 filesystems to ad2
> 2. Shutdown
> 3. Put the system disk in Bay 1
> 4. Power up
> 
> Should it boot?

Hi Chris,

I don't know the answer to that question, but I do know that you can
wire physical devices to specific devices files in /dev.  I use the
/boot/device.hints file to do that.  Check this page for more
information:
http://threads.seas.gwu.edu/cgi-bin/man2web?program=scbus§ion=4

Halfway down the page, you'll see directives like:

hint.da.0.at="scbus0"
hint.da.0.target="0"
hint.da.0.unit="0"

I believe you can do something similar with your ad devices, and force
the new drive to a different /dev/ad? device file that doesn't cause a
boot problem.

Hope that helps,
Greg

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Re: man -t odd page size

[Ian Smith]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Polytropon wrote:
 > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:37:56 +1100 (EST), Ian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 > wrote:
 > > Polytropon: thanks for pdfman script - but does 'pdfman ipfw' work for 
 > > you?  Here the 'overprinting' is misaligned in gv, while others are ok.
 > 
 > Yes, but it outputs an error message:
 > 
 >  :2620: warning [p 25, 6.2i]: cannot adjust line
 > 
 > The PDF file is 26 pages long. Maybe another PDF viewer will work
 > better (xpdf)?

Modified to rm any /tmp/man.pdf first, then tried both xpdf and kpdf .. 
still the same problem.  Here's a small (if messy) text clip from xpdf; 
all the underlining and overprinting stuff gets scrambled, plus some 
missing newlines later in the file ..

N A ME
 N AM E
   ip fw -- IP firewall and traffic shaper control program
 pf w
S YN OP SI S
 SY NO PS I S
   ip fw [- c q] a dd _ u_ e
 pf w - cq ad d r_ l_

However this time I noticed an error listed also, different to yours, 
maybe because mine is only 20 pages (this on 5.5-STABLE if it matters)

sola% pdfman ipfw
(source:.gz: No such file or directory
/usr/share/man/man8/ipfw.8.gz).gz: No such file or directory

Which is strange, and goes away if I redirect the first command's stderr 
to /dev/null, but it doesn't change the output.  The groff output looks 
ok, not that I read postscript beyond seeing head and tail look intact.

zcat `man -w [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2>/dev/null | groff -Tps -dpaper=a4 -P-pa4 
-mandoc \
 | ps2pdf - /tmp/man.pdf && gv /tmp/man.pdf

Seems that short (or maybe just 'some') mans work very well, but longer 
ones, (or just 'some others'?) have problems here, eg:

sola% pdfman ip # looks great, 5pp
sola% pdfman ipfw   # overprinting misaligned as above, 20pp
sola% pdfman csh# pretty rough and misaligned also, 48pp
:1798: normal or special character expected (got a tab 
character)
:1798: normal or special character expected (got a space)
:1798: normal or special character expected (got a space)
:1798: normal or special character expected (got a space)
:1800: a backspace character is not allowed in an escape name
:1801: a backspace character is not allowed in an escape name
:1804: warning: numeric expression expected (got `v')
sola%

Possibly just my out of date ports (don't ask), quite likely ps2pdf?

 > > Well, a quarter of the people on this planet live in China, so by your 
 > > theory shouldn't the FreeBSD lists, docs and code all be in Chinese?
 > 
 > Let me follow this Micky Mouse Logic. :-) Because the computer has
 > been invented by a German, all computer stuff should be in the
 > german language. And now all the Americans can feel how the average
 > german computer user feels today: scared by all the things he doesn't
 > understand. :-)

Charlie Babbage was German?  Learn something every day on this list :)

 > > What actually works and is adopted in the real world determines that.
 > 
 > Nota bene:
 > 
 > The worst solution always prevails.

But much sooner than the best, which takes forever.

 > People want cheap, they get cheap.

We wanted free, we got free .. and don't have to shell out maybe $10k+ 
for a shelf full of CCITT / ISO docs!

 > > Ask yourself: how come the world uses TCP/IP for internet communications 
 > > rather than the OSI X.200-X.219 suite?  How come we're still using SMTP 
 > > plus a pile of RFCs to deliver email rather than the X.400-X.420 suite?
 > 
 > Having worked with the AX.25 protocol (on amateur radio), sometimes
 > I tend to thing... oh what a crap is TCP/IP... :-)

Well I suppose the ITU have a TCP/IP-free X.20something net running 
somewhere, but it doesn't look like pushing TCP/IP off its perch ..

cheers, Ian
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Boot device question

[Chris Pratt]

I have a server with 6 hot-swap SATA slots. It was delivered
with the first slot empty and 5 drives set up as /dev/ad4 through
/dev/ad12. I'd never paid attention to this until I wanted to add
a 6th, now 4 years later. When I popped it in, I realized the
empty bay was not 6 but rather bay 1, and of course it wouldn't
boot. Presumably /dev/ad2 had now come alive for the first time.
I popped out the disk, rebooted and after it was up, I plugged it
back in (hot) and ran sysinstall. It didn't see the disk so I couldn't
fdisk it. No device files existed for it.

I was thinking a right approach would be to change fstab to
reference ad2 for all the system disk file systems, shutdown,
move that drive to the first bay and plug the new drive into the
2nd bay. This seemed like more of a permanent solution.
If those /dev/ad* files are created at boot dynamically,
this should work. I've found docs that imply that they are
dynamically discovered and created from FreeBSD 5 forward
(auto-discovery?). Are they or do I need to create them prior to
start up.

The thing is, there is no easy recovery from failure here since I
have no console monitor to let me see what's going on or to fix
fstab if it fails (counter-intuitively, the only place I can access
the console is from remote locations ;-)), so I just want to know
if I'm thinking straight? The plan is:

1. Change /etc/fstab entries for ad4 filesystems to ad2
2. Shutdown
3. Put the system disk in Bay 1
4. Power up

Should it boot?
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Re: Locked out of Root

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:55:19PM -0400, APseudoUtopia wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I have one user (other than root and the other system users) on my
> box, and that user is _NOT_ in the wheel group. I also have root
> logins disabled via SSH. This is a remote server and all I have is SSH
> access.
> 
> Is there any way that I can gain root? I know the root password and
> everything, but I just can't get to it. The user is not in the wheel
> group, and root login is disabled in SSH.

You will need to gain console access or get someone there to 
gain console access.   Then login as root and add that non-root
account to the wheel group (or have the _trusted_ local person do it).   
Have the local person log out and you can then immediately log in as
the non-root, su to root, check if anyone else is connected and then 
change the root password.   

jerry


> 
> Thanks for any help/advice.
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Re: Locked out of Root

[Jerry McAllister]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:50:29AM -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>   Another option would be if that umprivileged user is in sudoers
> with permission to run the root shell (sudo -s). It doesn't need to be
> in wheel to do that.

Of course, it would take root to be put in.

jerry

> 
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, mdh wrote:
> 
> |He said his unprivileged user isn't in the wheel group.
> |
> |To answer the initial question, you'll need to login to the system on the 
> local console.  You cannot get root access via the network unless you're 
> running another remote access service besides ssh which will allow you to 
> login as root directly.
> |
> |- mdh
> |
> |--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Benjamin Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |> From: Benjamin Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> |> Subject: Re: Locked out of Root
> |> To: "APseudoUtopia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> |> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> |> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 11:25 PM
> |>
> |> Login as the unprivileged user and run:
> |>
> |> $ su
> |>
> |> See su(1).
> |
> |
> |
> |
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> 
> - Marcelo
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Re: Locked out of Root

[Jerry McAllister]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 02:43:47PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >>group, and root login is disabled in SSH.
> >>
> >>Thanks for any help/advice.
> >
> >You'll need to reboot in single-user mode.
> >E.g.,
> >http://be-well.ilk.org/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html#SU-WHEEL-GROUP
> >
> >--
> 
> and next time - do enable root login through ssh/rlogin/telnetd
> 
> there is no security gain by disabling it, as you have to know password 
> too.

It guarantees that the root password is passed encrypted.

So, next time do NOT enable root loging via ssh.
Instead, put the non-root user in the wheel group.

jerry

> 
> if course it's not bright to login as root over telnet through public 
> network, but too - it's not security hole in system, just in 
> administrator's brain if he/she do it this way.
> 
> 
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Re: Locked out of Root

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:25:30PM -0700, Benjamin Lee wrote:

> On 10/22/08 19:55, APseudoUtopia wrote:
> > Hey,
> > 
> > I have one user (other than root and the other system users) on my
> > box, and that user is _NOT_ in the wheel group. I also have root
> > logins disabled via SSH. This is a remote server and all I have is SSH
> > access.
> > 
> > Is there any way that I can gain root? I know the root password and
> > everything, but I just can't get to it. The user is not in the wheel
> > group, and root login is disabled in SSH.
> > 
> > Thanks for any help/advice.
> 
> Login as the unprivileged user and run:
> 
> $ su
> 
> See su(1).
> 

On FreeBSD, unless it is reconfigured differently, the non-root user
must be in the wheel group to su to root.   Changing that configuration
requires root as does putting the user in the wheel group.

jerry

> 
> -- 
> Benjamin Lee
> 


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RE: samba - vista problems

[Darryl Hoar]

In windows world, username is machinename\username.

So, if the Vista box is named mypc and your username is fred,

The username you enter should be mypc\fred.

 

Not sure if you have a freebsd password problem.

 

Anyway, just more info to help you solve your problem.

 

Darryl

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:21 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: samba - vista problems

 

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:39:16 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Hello!
>
>I have some problems with my samba/vista "os"
>I can't log on from my pc to the samba, it says every time that there
>is a password/user problem, I tried to retype almost 50 times the
>user/pass, to change it but it don't works.
>
>do you ever meet this problem?
>
>
>no - i don't use windows, for users i strongly recommend not using
>vista.

That was not the question the OP asked.

>anyway - it's not FreeBSD related problem, samba is not FreeBSD
>specific.

If the OP is using SAMBA in a FreeBSD environment, then it is most
certainly a FBSD related problem.

>try windows support and samba related mailing lists!

In which case, if their users are as closed minded as you appear to be,
they will refer the OP to the FreeBSD and/or Samba mailing list,
depending on which list he contacts.

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Re: Locked out of Root

[mdh]

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Lowell Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Lowell Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Locked out of Root
> To: "APseudoUtopia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 7:44 AM
> APseudoUtopia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I have one user (other than root and the other system
> users) on my
> > box, and that user is _NOT_ in the wheel group. I also
> have root
> > logins disabled via SSH. This is a remote server and
> all I have is SSH
> > access.
> >
> > Is there any way that I can gain root? I know the root
> password and
> > everything, but I just can't get to it. The user
> is not in the wheel
> > group, and root login is disabled in SSH.
> >
> > Thanks for any help/advice.
> 
> You'll need to reboot in single-user mode.
> E.g.,
> http://be-well.ilk.org/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html#SU-WHEEL-GROUP

If he can get to the system console, why would he need to bother booting to 
single user mode?  He said he has the root password.  He should just be able to 
login normally, if he can get to the system console.  
- mdh



  
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Re: man -t odd page size

[Warren Block]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote:


A good start would just be determining which programs need to be
modified.  A check for similar work in other operating systems would be
very useful.  Finally, a proposal for the way to implement the change,
and maybe even patches.


Well .. we seem to have a start about which programs need to be modified ...


A list of base FreeBSD programs that need page size support would give a 
good idea of what approaches can be used.



It gets a little tougher regarding other operting system given that FreeBSD is
the only one running on my only PC :'(


But there are printing applications that run on both FreeBSD and other 
OSs.  CUPS or one of the big desktop environments or one of the 
variations of Linux may have already addressed global page size setting. 
You don't have to run them to research them.


Taking advantage of existing work can get things going a lot faster and 
avoid unexpected pitfalls.  (A shorter way of saying that: It's better 
to learn from somebody else's mistakes.)


-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Re: samba - vista problems

[Jerry]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:39:16 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Hello!
>
>I have some problems with my samba/vista "os"
>I can't log on from my pc to the samba, it says every time that there
>is a password/user problem, I tried to retype almost 50 times the
>user/pass, to change it but it don't works.
>
>do you ever meet this problem?
>
>
>no - i don't use windows, for users i strongly recommend not using
>vista.

That was not the question the OP asked.

>anyway - it's not FreeBSD related problem, samba is not FreeBSD
>specific.

If the OP is using SAMBA in a FreeBSD environment, then it is most
certainly a FBSD related problem.

>try windows support and samba related mailing lists!

In which case, if their users are as closed minded as you appear to be,
they will refer the OP to the FreeBSD and/or Samba mailing list,
depending on which list he contacts.

-- 
Jerry
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John Wayne


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Re: GCC help

[Jerry]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:26:40 +0100
Bruce Cran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

>Can't you set $CC to gcc44 or whatever to make the ports system use a 
>different version of gcc?

UNTESTED:


in /etc/make.conf file:

CC=/usr/local/bin/gcc44

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Re: samba - vista problems

[Dánielisz László]

It works!
Thank you very much!


[2008/10/23 15:51:28, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(1033)
  laci-laptop (192.168.1.4) connect to service laci_smb initially as user 
laci_smb (uid=1002, gid=1002) (pid 13213)



- Original Message 
From: Valentin Bud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Dánielisz László <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: freebsd-questions 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:31:59 PM
Subject: Re: samba - vista problems

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Dánielisz László <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, I got the following error message, but not every time, sometime its
> just simply empty:
>
> # tail -f /var/log/samba/log.laci-laptop
> [2008/10/23 14:51:36, 0] lib/util_sock.c:read_data(534)
>   read_data: read failure for 4 bytes to client 192.168.1.4. Error =
> Connection reset by peer
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Valentin Bud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Dánielisz László <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:21:11 PM
> Subject: Re: samba - vista problems
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Dánielisz László <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I have some problems with my samba/vista "os"
>> I can't log on from my pc to the samba, it says every time that there is a
>> password/user problem, I tried to retype almost 50 times the user/pass, to
>> change it but it don't works.
>>
>> do you ever meet this problem?
>>
>
> did you check the logs? /var/log/samba/*
>
>>
>> Laci
>>
>>
>>
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Ok, have you added the user to the samba user database:
# smbpasswd -a 
The  must be a system user. You can use either smbpasswd(8) or
pdbedit(8).

all the best,
v
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Re: samba - vista problems

[Wojciech Puchar]

Hello!


I have some problems with my samba/vista "os"
I can't log on from my pc to the samba, it says every time that there is a 
password/user problem, I tried to retype almost 50 times the user/pass, to 
change it but it don't works.

do you ever meet this problem?


no - i don't use windows, for users i strongly recommend not using vista.


anyway - it's not FreeBSD related problem, samba is not FreeBSD specific.

try windows support and samba related mailing lists!
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Re: samba - vista problems

[Valentin Bud]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Dánielisz László <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, I got the following error message, but not every time, sometime its
> just simply empty:
>
> # tail -f /var/log/samba/log.laci-laptop
> [2008/10/23 14:51:36, 0] lib/util_sock.c:read_data(534)
>   read_data: read failure for 4 bytes to client 192.168.1.4. Error =
> Connection reset by peer
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Valentin Bud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Dánielisz László <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:21:11 PM
> Subject: Re: samba - vista problems
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Dánielisz László <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I have some problems with my samba/vista "os"
>> I can't log on from my pc to the samba, it says every time that there is a
>> password/user problem, I tried to retype almost 50 times the user/pass, to
>> change it but it don't works.
>>
>> do you ever meet this problem?
>>
>
> did you check the logs? /var/log/samba/*
>
>>
>> Laci
>>
>>
>>
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Ok, have you added the user to the samba user database:
# smbpasswd -a 
The  must be a system user. You can use either smbpasswd(8) or
pdbedit(8).

all the best,
v
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Re: GCC help

[Bruce Cran]

RW wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:07:09 -0400
Victor Farah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

I was wondering how I would update gcc to version 4.2?
I'm not sure I can just do a portupgrade gcc ??




If you install a later version of gcc it won't automatically get used
because the port will use the base-system version. 
  


Can't you set $CC to gcc44 or whatever to make the ports system use a 
different version of gcc?


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samba - vista problems

[Dánielisz László]

Hello!

I have some problems with my samba/vista "os"
I can't log on from my pc to the samba, it says every time that there is a 
password/user problem, I tried to retype almost 50 times the user/pass, to 
change it but it don't works.

do you ever meet this problem?

Laci



   
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Re: Locked out of Root

[Marcelo Souza]

Hi,

Another option would be if that umprivileged user is in sudoers 
with permission to run the root shell (sudo -s). It doesn't need to be 
in wheel to do that.

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, mdh wrote:

|He said his unprivileged user isn't in the wheel group.  
|
|To answer the initial question, you'll need to login to the system on the 
local console.  You cannot get root access via the network unless you're 
running another remote access service besides ssh which will allow you to login 
as root directly.  
|
|- mdh
|
|--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Benjamin Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> From: Benjamin Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> Subject: Re: Locked out of Root
|> To: "APseudoUtopia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
|> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 11:25 PM
|> 
|> Login as the unprivileged user and run:
|> 
|> $ su
|> 
|> See su(1).
|
|
|
|  
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problem with" freebsd-update-upgrade.tgz.asc"

[alasdair]

Hi,
 I have downloaded the above script from 
http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2007-11-11-freebsd-major-version-upgrade.html

Installed gpg all set up ok AFAICT.

put the freebsd security officer's public key on my gpg keyring . 

Used the following command to verify the file:
localhost# gpg --verify freebsd-update-upgrade.tgz.asc 
freebsd-update-upgrade.tgz
gpg: can't open signed data `freebsd-update-upgrade.tgz'
gpg: can't hash datafile: No such file or directory
localhost# 

AFAICT the public key is ok 


pub   1024D/CA6CDFB2 2002-08-27
uid  FreeBSD Security Officer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
sub   2048g/A3071809 2002-08-27

Apart from the fact that the file could be dodgy (?) What could be the problem?

Have I used the wrong key? I imagine the error msg would be different if
that was the case.

Thanks,

Alasdair

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Re: Locked out of Root

[scuba]

Hi,

Another option would be if that umprivileged user is in sudoers
with permission to run the root shell (sudo -s). It doesn't need to be
in wheel to do that.

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, mdh wrote:

|He said his unprivileged user isn't in the wheel group.
|
|To answer the initial question, you'll need to login to the system on the 
local console.  You cannot get root access via the network unless you're 
running another remote access service besides ssh which will allow you to login 
as root directly.
|
|- mdh
|
|--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Benjamin Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> From: Benjamin Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> Subject: Re: Locked out of Root
|> To: "APseudoUtopia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
|> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 11:25 PM
|>
|> Login as the unprivileged user and run:
|>
|> $ su
|>
|> See su(1).
|
|
|
|
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Re: Locked out of Root

[Wojciech Puchar]

group, and root login is disabled in SSH.

Thanks for any help/advice.


You'll need to reboot in single-user mode.
E.g.,
http://be-well.ilk.org/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html#SU-WHEEL-GROUP

--


and next time - do enable root login through ssh/rlogin/telnetd

there is no security gain by disabling it, as you have to know password 
too.


if course it's not bright to login as root over telnet through public 
network, but too - it's not security hole in system, just in 
administrator's brain if he/she do it this way.



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Re: Locked out of Root

[Lowell Gilbert]

APseudoUtopia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have one user (other than root and the other system users) on my
> box, and that user is _NOT_ in the wheel group. I also have root
> logins disabled via SSH. This is a remote server and all I have is SSH
> access.
>
> Is there any way that I can gain root? I know the root password and
> everything, but I just can't get to it. The user is not in the wheel
> group, and root login is disabled in SSH.
>
> Thanks for any help/advice.

You'll need to reboot in single-user mode.
E.g.,
http://be-well.ilk.org/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html#SU-WHEEL-GROUP

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Re: bsdlabel partiton c error message on new install

[andys]

Hi, 

 the below was resolved by rebooting the server. After a reboot the device 
file /dev/da0s1g has been created, however this doesnt seem completely 
normal as sysinstall obviously expected to see the new device file 
immediately. Perhaps there is a prob with my system or is there just a 
problem with the expectations of sysinstall?? :S 

cheers Andy. 

andys writes: 

Hi,  

ok, so I have attempted to proceed with my original task which was to 
create a new UFS2 parition (using sysinstall). Having chosen "c" and then 
"w" from the lable section, i recieve the following error:  

Error mounting /dev/da0s1g on /export : No such file or directory  

After exiting sysinstall, I can see from bsdlabel:  


8 partitions:
#size   offsetfstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
a: 2097152004.2BSD0 0 0
b: 20971520 75497472  swap
c: 2851536870unused0 0 # "raw" part, don't 
edit

d: 20971520 209715204.2BSD0 0 0
e: 20971520 419430404.2BSD0 0 0
f: 12582912 629145604.2BSD0 0 0
g: 146800640 964689924.2BSD0 0 0
bsdlabel: partition c doesn't cover the whole unit!  

"g" is my new partition. Under /dev however I dont see the device file:  


ls /dev/da0*
/dev/da0/dev/da0s1a /dev/da0s1c /dev/da0s1e
/dev/da0s1  /dev/da0s1b /dev/da0s1d /dev/da0s1f  

Can anyone help :(  


thanks a lot,
Andy.

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Re: Can't upgrade or deinstall phpMyAdmin

[Mike Clarke]

On Thursday 23 October 2008, Valentin Bud wrote:

> May i ask a question. Why do you use phpmyadmin from ports?

Mainly to keep life simple [1].

> It 
> installs lots of libraries hence possible security threats in the
> future.

Well this particular box is already loaded up with what many would 
regard as too much KDE bloatware so most of the libraries would already 
be there anyway.

> So instead of 
> taking care of updating a bunch of libraries just for phpmyadmin why
> don't you simply download it from http://www.phpmyadmin.net/, put in
> the apache doc
> root, set it up and so you have to take care to update it when a new
> version comes
> out.

Well, providing it works, I'm not too particular about always having the 
latest and greatest version but I do want to upgrade if there are any 
security fixes and portaudit running from cron does a far better job of 
spotting these than if I had to remember to check manually. It was the 
a vulnerability reported by portaudit 
 that prompted me to upgrade 
phpMyAdmin when I re-instated the web server on this box.


[1] There are times when this KISS approach falls down. An earlier 
portupgrade while I was still running php4 resulted in phpMyAdmin 
acquiring a dependency on php5, which it promptly installed alongside 
php4 creating quite a bit of chaos in the process.

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Re: scp

[Callum Gibson]

On 22Oct08 22:14, kalin m wrote:
}> I usually cheat and grab a copy of ssh-copy-id from the web; I suspect 
}> your issue has to do with permissions for the .ssh directory and the 
}> authorized_keys file.
}permissions are 600 for the file and 700 for .ssh

Permission of the remote user's home directory is another one to check.
It can only be writable by the user.

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Re: man -t odd page size

[en0f]

Ian Smith wrote:
> I doubt an 'immensely huge majority' of FreeBSD systems are located 
> outside the US (data at http://www.bsdstats.org/freebsd/countries.php 
> notwithstanding, reckoning Australia to have the most FreeBSD users :)

whoa! All your bases are belong to down under! :D

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Re: man -t odd page size

[Polytropon]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:37:56 +1100 (EST), Ian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Polytropon: thanks for pdfman script - but does 'pdfman ipfw' work for 
> you?  Here the 'overprinting' is misaligned in gv, while others are ok.

Yes, but it outputs an error message:

:2620: warning [p 25, 6.2i]: cannot adjust line

The PDF file is 26 pages long. Maybe another PDF viewer will work
better (xpdf)?



> Well, a quarter of the people on this planet live in China, so by your 
> theory shouldn't the FreeBSD lists, docs and code all be in Chinese?

Let me follow this Micky Mouse Logic. :-) Because the computer has
been invented by a German, all computer stuff should be in the
german language. And now all the Americans can feel how the average
german computer user feels today: scared by all the things he doesn't
understand. :-)



> What actually works and is adopted in the real world determines that.

Nota bene:

The worst solution always prevails.

People want cheap, they get cheap.

Insert bunch of Murphy's laws here.

:-)


> Ask yourself: how come the world uses TCP/IP for internet communications 
> rather than the OSI X.200-X.219 suite?  How come we're still using SMTP 
> plus a pile of RFCs to deliver email rather than the X.400-X.420 suite?

Having worked with the AX.25 protocol (on amateur radio), sometimes
I tend to thing... oh what a crap is TCP/IP... :-)





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Re: LOCALE ? FR-fr

[Frank Bonnet]

Polytropon wrote:

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:59:47 +0200, Frank Bonnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello

I would like one of our server acting as a WebDAV server to allow
French characters in filename , how to do so ?


I'm not sure which charset you will need, maybe ISO-8859-1 or -15
will do the job to allow accents and other things special to the
french language?

Set the correct LC_* variables via /etc/login.conf (elegant) or
via /etc/csh.cshrc (may be considered ugly, but works). For the last
case, it would be something like this:

setenv LC_ALL  fr_FR.ISO8859-15

You can do it more "fine grained", if you wish to leave some of
the configurable things to the standard, for example:

setenv LC_COLLATE  fr_FR.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_CTYPEfr_FR.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_MESSAGES en_US.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_MONETARY fr_FR.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_NUMERIC  fr_FR.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_TIME fr_FR.ISO8859-15

I have a similar setting for the german language (de_DE) which
allows me to use Umlauts in file names.

BUT ATTENTION! I won't recommend anyone to use others but the
standard character set for filenames. It can lead to problems if
you're transfering files to a system which doesn't support
special characters from the french language or is unable to remap
them correctly. In my opinion, such characters should not be in
a filename, as well as whitespaces, ampersands, apostrophes,
doublequotes or similar things. I know it's possible, but it
sometimes can make things _really_ difficult.

I hope you won't run into such problems.




Thanks a lot for your help !
I only want to allow French characters in filenames not all the environemment
so I gonna check with the help you gave :-)
thanks


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Re: man -t odd page size

[Valentin Bud]

hello,
what do you know about this site: http://www.metricamerica.com/.
i don't remember where i have read that America is going to apply the SI
(ess eye)
unit system.
so things are going to change maybe even the A4 papersize.

a good day,
v

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Ian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:35:25 -0200 Gonzalo Nemmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > On Wednesday 22 October 2008 10:38:40 pm Polytropon wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> Polytropon: thanks for pdfman script - but does 'pdfman ipfw' work for
> you?  Here the 'overprinting' is misaligned in gv, while others are ok.
>
>  > > I know this is not the best idea, but it should be accomplishable
>  > > without many problems. A better idea would be to write a simple
>  > > filter that convert the man page (including formatting characters)
>  > > into LaTeX source and then run it through pdflatex.
>  >
>  > Exactly .. you got it just the way I wanted .. after your explanantion,
> the
>  > question _begs_ to be asked: do we, citizens of ISO 216 adopting
> countries,
>  > have to walk that cumbersome path in order to get something as simple as
> an
>  > ISO compliant document??
>  >
>  > Shouldn't it be the other way around???
>  >
>  > Does an inmensily huge majority have to walk the extra mile in order to
> get an
>  > ISO compliant document whereas a small minority benefits from having non
> ISO
>  > complaint default formats???
>
> Gonzalo: shouldn't that be 'the extra kilometre?' :)
>
> Well, a quarter of the people on this planet live in China, so by your
> theory shouldn't the FreeBSD lists, docs and code all be in Chinese?
>
> I doubt an 'immensely huge majority' of FreeBSD systems are located
> outside the US (data at http://www.bsdstats.org/freebsd/countries.php
> notwithstanding, reckoning Australia to have the most FreeBSD users :)
>
>  > I, for once, would pretty much like to know the logic behind that
> decision.
>
> It's not logic, nor even a decision, but simply a matter of tradition.
>
>  > > > and on a side note: will we ever get to see ISO 216 A4 as the
> default
>  > > > choice for output instead of not-standard, only usefull in the US
> but
>  > > > useless in the rest of the whole world "letter" page size and the
>  > > > likes???
>
> I've yet to run into any printing or display software that didn't offer
> a wide choice of formats, including A4 and many other A* sizes, so what
> any particular software chooses as its 'default' scarcely matters.
>
>  > > You're getting my thoughts, man. :-) I'd like to see this happen,
>  > > too, but I don't think the developers of FreeBSD and all the fine
>  > > applications will say goodbye to their Letter, Legal, Exec etc.
>  > > paper formats. A4 isn't a DIN standard anymore, its ISO for many
>  > > years now, and unlike Letter, it has the ability to be scaled
>  > > (to half size, to quarter size, to double size) easily. Today,
>  > > the manual replacement of many different settings is needed to
>  > > get a system A4 compliant.
>  > >
>  > > Greetings from Germany, where A4 is the standard for more than
>  > > a century now. =^_^=
>  >
>  > I really hope they do, or at least, start contemplating the fact that
> ISO
>  > standards are usefull as a whole or are not usefull at all ..
>
> That's not true at all; there's no 'all or nothing' about standards.
> What actually works and is adopted in the real world determines that.
>
> Ask yourself: how come the world uses TCP/IP for internet communications
> rather than the OSI X.200-X.219 suite?  How come we're still using SMTP
> plus a pile of RFCs to deliver email rather than the X.400-X.420 suite?
>
> Apart from SNMP and its use of (a subset of) the ASN.1 / BER notation,
> and the X.500-X.521 directory services model to the extent of X.501
> certificates, not much of the massive CCITT / OSI / ISO 'standards' have
> ever entered common usage, most being a camel designed by committee.
>
> In '91 I bought three 'fascicles' (volumes) of the CCITT Blue Book for
> the best part of A$500, then convinced it was the way things would go.
> I was entirely wrong :) but I don't regret that study for ASN.1 alone.
>
>  > Gretings from Argentina, where A4 is the standard from 1943.
>  >
>  > And yes .. so are the metric system, kilograms, litres, etc :)
>
> I suspect the Yanquis will abandon letter, legal etc paper sizes around
> the same time they jettison pounds and ounces, feet and inches, gallons
> and pints .. that is, you probably shouldn't be holding your breath :)
>
> cheers, Ian
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Re: LOCALE ? FR-fr

[Polytropon]

And I forgot: Set your terminals to cons25l1 in /etc/ttys. You can
do that via sysinstall or edit the file manually:

ttyv0   "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25l1on  secure

This, in combination with the LC_* settings, should enable the
input and output of the special characters you want.

Time for Le Pétit Filè de lâ mũsic.MP3 :-)


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Re: Can't upgrade or deinstall phpMyAdmin

[Wojciech Puchar]

following:
# pwd
/usr/ports/databases/phpmyadmin


assuming it can't be changed by make config, modify port :)



# make all-depends-list | grep x11
/usr/ports/x11/libXpm
/usr/ports/x11/xextproto
/usr/ports/x11/xproto
/usr/ports/x11/libX11
/usr/ports/x11/libXext
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXt
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXaw
/usr/ports/x11/bigreqsproto
/usr/ports/x11/xcmiscproto
/usr/ports/x11/xtrans
/usr/ports/x11/kbproto
/usr/ports/x11/inputproto
/usr/ports/x11-fonts/xf86bigfontproto
/usr/ports/x11/libXau
/usr/ports/x11/libXdmcp
/usr/ports/x11/libSM
/usr/ports/x11/printproto
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXmu
/usr/ports/x11/libXp
/usr/ports/x11/libICE

I am not that good in FBSD so i'm asking, is there a way to install
phpmyadmin
without installing all the above mentions as depends x11 stuff?
The above x11 ports install dependecies of their own so you end up with
lots of
x11 stuff you don't need. So that's why i use and like the other method.
thank you for you opinions,
v


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Re: man -t odd page size

[Ian Smith]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:35:25 -0200 Gonzalo Nemmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > On Wednesday 22 October 2008 10:38:40 pm Polytropon wrote:

[..]

Polytropon: thanks for pdfman script - but does 'pdfman ipfw' work for 
you?  Here the 'overprinting' is misaligned in gv, while others are ok.

 > > I know this is not the best idea, but it should be accomplishable
 > > without many problems. A better idea would be to write a simple
 > > filter that convert the man page (including formatting characters)
 > > into LaTeX source and then run it through pdflatex.
 > 
 > Exactly .. you got it just the way I wanted .. after your explanantion, the 
 > question _begs_ to be asked: do we, citizens of ISO 216 adopting countries, 
 > have to walk that cumbersome path in order to get something as simple as an 
 > ISO compliant document??
 > 
 > Shouldn't it be the other way around???
 > 
 > Does an inmensily huge majority have to walk the extra mile in order to get 
 > an 
 > ISO compliant document whereas a small minority benefits from having non ISO 
 > complaint default formats???

Gonzalo: shouldn't that be 'the extra kilometre?' :)

Well, a quarter of the people on this planet live in China, so by your 
theory shouldn't the FreeBSD lists, docs and code all be in Chinese?

I doubt an 'immensely huge majority' of FreeBSD systems are located 
outside the US (data at http://www.bsdstats.org/freebsd/countries.php 
notwithstanding, reckoning Australia to have the most FreeBSD users :)

 > I, for once, would pretty much like to know the logic behind that decision.

It's not logic, nor even a decision, but simply a matter of tradition.

 > > > and on a side note: will we ever get to see ISO 216 A4 as the default
 > > > choice for output instead of not-standard, only usefull in the US but
 > > > useless in the rest of the whole world "letter" page size and the
 > > > likes???

I've yet to run into any printing or display software that didn't offer 
a wide choice of formats, including A4 and many other A* sizes, so what 
any particular software chooses as its 'default' scarcely matters.

 > > You're getting my thoughts, man. :-) I'd like to see this happen,
 > > too, but I don't think the developers of FreeBSD and all the fine
 > > applications will say goodbye to their Letter, Legal, Exec etc.
 > > paper formats. A4 isn't a DIN standard anymore, its ISO for many
 > > years now, and unlike Letter, it has the ability to be scaled
 > > (to half size, to quarter size, to double size) easily. Today,
 > > the manual replacement of many different settings is needed to
 > > get a system A4 compliant.
 > >
 > > Greetings from Germany, where A4 is the standard for more than
 > > a century now. =^_^=
 > 
 > I really hope they do, or at least, start contemplating the fact that ISO 
 > standards are usefull as a whole or are not usefull at all ..

That's not true at all; there's no 'all or nothing' about standards.  
What actually works and is adopted in the real world determines that.

Ask yourself: how come the world uses TCP/IP for internet communications 
rather than the OSI X.200-X.219 suite?  How come we're still using SMTP 
plus a pile of RFCs to deliver email rather than the X.400-X.420 suite?

Apart from SNMP and its use of (a subset of) the ASN.1 / BER notation, 
and the X.500-X.521 directory services model to the extent of X.501 
certificates, not much of the massive CCITT / OSI / ISO 'standards' have 
ever entered common usage, most being a camel designed by committee.

In '91 I bought three 'fascicles' (volumes) of the CCITT Blue Book for 
the best part of A$500, then convinced it was the way things would go.  
I was entirely wrong :) but I don't regret that study for ASN.1 alone.

 > Gretings from Argentina, where A4 is the standard from 1943.
 > 
 > And yes .. so are the metric system, kilograms, litres, etc :)

I suspect the Yanquis will abandon letter, legal etc paper sizes around 
the same time they jettison pounds and ounces, feet and inches, gallons 
and pints .. that is, you probably shouldn't be holding your breath :)

cheers, Ian
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Re: Can't upgrade or deinstall phpMyAdmin

[Valentin Bud]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:58:24AM +0200, Valentin Bud wrote:
> > the main reason i don't like to install phpmyadmin from ports is the
> > following:
> > # pwd
> > /usr/ports/databases/phpmyadmin
> >
> > # make all-depends-list | grep x11
> > /usr/ports/x11/libXpm
> > /usr/ports/x11/xextproto
> > /usr/ports/x11/xproto
> > /usr/ports/x11/libX11
> > /usr/ports/x11/libXext
> > /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXt
> > /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXaw
> > /usr/ports/x11/bigreqsproto
> > /usr/ports/x11/xcmiscproto
> > /usr/ports/x11/xtrans
> > /usr/ports/x11/kbproto
> > /usr/ports/x11/inputproto
> > /usr/ports/x11-fonts/xf86bigfontproto
> > /usr/ports/x11/libXau
> > /usr/ports/x11/libXdmcp
> > /usr/ports/x11/libSM
> > /usr/ports/x11/printproto
> > /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXmu
> > /usr/ports/x11/libXp
> > /usr/ports/x11/libICE
> >
> > I am not that good in FBSD so i'm asking, is there a way to install
> > phpmyadmin
> > without installing all the above mentions as depends x11 stuff?
>
> I explained this in my mail.  "make config", remove the features you
> don't want, then "make all-depends-list".
>

>
> I'm pretty sure the one which is causing you grief is the PDF feature,
> but it's up to you to decide what you need/do not need.


To be recorded for future users the GD library support and the PDFlib
support (implies GD)
are the ones that require x11 dependecies.


>
> As I said in my other mail, be aware that disabling some of the
> features will cause phpmyadmin to complain to the visitor that said
> feature is missing; mbstring is a good example.


Thank you very much for you answers and opinions,
v


>
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Re: Can't upgrade or deinstall phpMyAdmin

[Matthew Seaman]

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Valentin Bud wrote:


| the main reason i don't like to install phpmyadmin from ports is the
| following:
| # pwd
| /usr/ports/databases/phpmyadmin
| 
| # make all-depends-list | grep x11

| /usr/ports/x11/libXpm
| /usr/ports/x11/xextproto
| /usr/ports/x11/xproto
| /usr/ports/x11/libX11
| /usr/ports/x11/libXext
| /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXt
| /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXaw
| /usr/ports/x11/bigreqsproto
| /usr/ports/x11/xcmiscproto
| /usr/ports/x11/xtrans
| /usr/ports/x11/kbproto
| /usr/ports/x11/inputproto
| /usr/ports/x11-fonts/xf86bigfontproto
| /usr/ports/x11/libXau
| /usr/ports/x11/libXdmcp
| /usr/ports/x11/libSM
| /usr/ports/x11/printproto
| /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXmu
| /usr/ports/x11/libXp
| /usr/ports/x11/libICE
| 
| I am not that good in FBSD so i'm asking, is there a way to install

| phpmyadmin
| without installing all the above mentions as depends x11 stuff?
|  The above x11 ports install dependecies of their own so you end up with
| lots of
| x11 stuff you don't need. So that's why i use and like the other method.
| thank you for you opinions,

The X dependencies come in via php5-gd and pecl-pdflib. php5-gd depends on gd, 
which
depends on libXpm and t1lib which both depend on X libs.  pecl-pdflib itself 
depends
on php5-gd.  Turning off those two options will keep you X free.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: LOCALE ? FR-fr

[Polytropon]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:59:47 +0200, Frank Bonnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I would like one of our server acting as a WebDAV server to allow
> French characters in filename , how to do so ?

I'm not sure which charset you will need, maybe ISO-8859-1 or -15
will do the job to allow accents and other things special to the
french language?

Set the correct LC_* variables via /etc/login.conf (elegant) or
via /etc/csh.cshrc (may be considered ugly, but works). For the last
case, it would be something like this:

setenv LC_ALL  fr_FR.ISO8859-15

You can do it more "fine grained", if you wish to leave some of
the configurable things to the standard, for example:

setenv LC_COLLATE  fr_FR.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_CTYPEfr_FR.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_MESSAGES en_US.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_MONETARY fr_FR.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_NUMERIC  fr_FR.ISO8859-15
setenv LC_TIME fr_FR.ISO8859-15

I have a similar setting for the german language (de_DE) which
allows me to use Umlauts in file names.

BUT ATTENTION! I won't recommend anyone to use others but the
standard character set for filenames. It can lead to problems if
you're transfering files to a system which doesn't support
special characters from the french language or is unable to remap
them correctly. In my opinion, such characters should not be in
a filename, as well as whitespaces, ampersands, apostrophes,
doublequotes or similar things. I know it's possible, but it
sometimes can make things _really_ difficult.

I hope you won't run into such problems.


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Re: Can't upgrade or deinstall phpMyAdmin

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:58:24AM +0200, Valentin Bud wrote:
> the main reason i don't like to install phpmyadmin from ports is the
> following:
> # pwd
> /usr/ports/databases/phpmyadmin
> 
> # make all-depends-list | grep x11
> /usr/ports/x11/libXpm
> /usr/ports/x11/xextproto
> /usr/ports/x11/xproto
> /usr/ports/x11/libX11
> /usr/ports/x11/libXext
> /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXt
> /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXaw
> /usr/ports/x11/bigreqsproto
> /usr/ports/x11/xcmiscproto
> /usr/ports/x11/xtrans
> /usr/ports/x11/kbproto
> /usr/ports/x11/inputproto
> /usr/ports/x11-fonts/xf86bigfontproto
> /usr/ports/x11/libXau
> /usr/ports/x11/libXdmcp
> /usr/ports/x11/libSM
> /usr/ports/x11/printproto
> /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXmu
> /usr/ports/x11/libXp
> /usr/ports/x11/libICE
> 
> I am not that good in FBSD so i'm asking, is there a way to install
> phpmyadmin
> without installing all the above mentions as depends x11 stuff?

I explained this in my mail.  "make config", remove the features you
don't want, then "make all-depends-list".

I'm pretty sure the one which is causing you grief is the PDF feature,
but it's up to you to decide what you need/do not need.

As I said in my other mail, be aware that disabling some of the
features will cause phpmyadmin to complain to the visitor that said
feature is missing; mbstring is a good example.

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LOCALE ? FR-fr

[Frank Bonnet]

Hello

I would like one of our server acting as a WebDAV server to allow
French characters in filename , how to do so ?

Thanks
.

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Re: Can't upgrade or deinstall phpMyAdmin

[Valentin Bud]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Wojciech Puchar <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> May i ask a question. Why do you use phpmyadmin from ports? It installs
>>
>
> well i don't use phpmyadmin at all ;)
>
>  lots of libraries hence possible security threats in the future. So
>> instead
>> of
>> taking care of updating a bunch of libraries just for phpmyadmin why don't
>> you simply download it from http://www.phpmyadmin.net/, put in the apache
>> doc
>> root, set it up and so you have to take care to update it when a new
>> version
>>
>
> and do it with all other software too, ending with total mess quickly.
> just like windows

Just for the record i'm not doing it with other software and i don't intend
to.

the main reason i don't like to install phpmyadmin from ports is the
following:
# pwd
/usr/ports/databases/phpmyadmin

# make all-depends-list | grep x11
/usr/ports/x11/libXpm
/usr/ports/x11/xextproto
/usr/ports/x11/xproto
/usr/ports/x11/libX11
/usr/ports/x11/libXext
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXt
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXaw
/usr/ports/x11/bigreqsproto
/usr/ports/x11/xcmiscproto
/usr/ports/x11/xtrans
/usr/ports/x11/kbproto
/usr/ports/x11/inputproto
/usr/ports/x11-fonts/xf86bigfontproto
/usr/ports/x11/libXau
/usr/ports/x11/libXdmcp
/usr/ports/x11/libSM
/usr/ports/x11/printproto
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/libXmu
/usr/ports/x11/libXp
/usr/ports/x11/libICE

I am not that good in FBSD so i'm asking, is there a way to install
phpmyadmin
without installing all the above mentions as depends x11 stuff?
 The above x11 ports install dependecies of their own so you end up with
lots of
x11 stuff you don't need. So that's why i use and like the other method.
thank you for you opinions,
v
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Re: Extract Songs from DVD

[Polytropon]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:35:25 -0400, "John L. Templer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Polytropon wrote:
> > % dd if=/dev/acd0t01 of=track01.cdr bs=2352
> 
> Very cool!  I have a few questions though.  I notice this doesn't work
> for my Plextor CD writer.

What, dd doesn't work from Plextor writer? I had (or, still have)
a Plextor CD writer which is SCSI, so I just have to change the
command in order to read from the correct device, which is /dev/cd0
for the first SCSI CD drive:

% dd if=/dev/cd0t01 of=track01.cdr bs=2352

Of course, you would have to change other commands in order to get
this correct, for example:

% cdcontrol -f /dev/cd0 info



> I assume this is because CD and DVD drives
> have different drivers?

Maybe, but I think these basic things rely on the same commands
internally.



> Also, does this use libparanoia or something
> similar to extract "recalcitrant" tracks?

No, dd reads block-wise. There's dd_rescue which is able to read
from defectively manufactured media (we call them "Un-CDs" or
"Un-DVDs" in Germany).

Another option, by the way, is to use cdrdao. It has the read
command in combination with a paranoia level switch which can be
adjusted in order to read mentioned media. As far as I remember,
you need to have the atapicam facility in your kernel (custom
compile kernel or module) in order to access ATAPI devices just
like SCSI devices.

% camcontrol devlist

will then show you which device equals /dev/cd0, e. g. 0,0,0
(1st SCSI controller, 1st device, 1st LUN).



If I did misunderstand the question, just post another one. :-)
(English is not my native language.)




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Re: Can't upgrade or deinstall phpMyAdmin

[Wojciech Puchar]

May i ask a question. Why do you use phpmyadmin from ports? It installs


well i don't use phpmyadmin at all ;)


lots of libraries hence possible security threats in the future. So instead
of
taking care of updating a bunch of libraries just for phpmyadmin why don't
you simply download it from http://www.phpmyadmin.net/, put in the apache
doc
root, set it up and so you have to take care to update it when a new version


and do it with all other software too, ending with total mess quickly.
just like windows
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Re: Setting up gmirror

[Wojciech Puchar]

I thought the -s option was only applicable when using "-b split" for the 
balancing algorithm. Does "round-robin" not mean simply alternating 
between the two disks without ever splitting requests?


no. it means for example with -s 65536 and 1MB request - it will split this 
request on 2 disks




So there is no difference between "split" and "round-robin" algorithms then?


looks there is. i never used split balance. always round-robin or load.
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Re: Can't upgrade or deinstall phpMyAdmin

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:59:57AM +0200, Valentin Bud wrote:
> May i ask a question. Why do you use phpmyadmin from ports? It installs
> lots of libraries hence possible security threats in the future. So instead
> of
> taking care of updating a bunch of libraries just for phpmyadmin why don't
> you simply download it from http://www.phpmyadmin.net/, put in the apache
> doc
> root, set it up and so you have to take care to update it when a new version
> comes
> out.
> my 2 cents,
> v

You're talking about the dependencies it has on bzip2, GD, OpenSSL, PDF,
zlib, mcrypt, and mbstring.  These are *optional*; nothing stops you
from unchecking them in "make config".

However, be aware that removing some of them will cause phpmyadmin to
work fine, but emit warning messages to the user that  feature is
not available.  This is why said features are enabled by default.

I do not advocate downloading software and just "dumping it" into some
directory on a machine; if you really want to go that route, then why
use ports at all?  Heck, why use FreeBSD, just use Slackware Linux.

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Re: Can't upgrade or deinstall phpMyAdmin

[Valentin Bud]

May i ask a question. Why do you use phpmyadmin from ports? It installs
lots of libraries hence possible security threats in the future. So instead
of
taking care of updating a bunch of libraries just for phpmyadmin why don't
you simply download it from http://www.phpmyadmin.net/, put in the apache
doc
root, set it up and so you have to take care to update it when a new version
comes
out.
my 2 cents,
v

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Mike Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Wednesday 22 October 2008, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>
> > Hmmm... not entirely sure what has actually gone wrong there, but I
> > suspect your /var/db/pkg directory is probably in a bit of a mess.
> >  Deinstalling phpMyAdmin is simply a matter of removing almost all of
> > the files under /usr/local/www/phpMyAdmin -- the only one the port
> > tries to preserve is config.inc.php
>
> Yes, I knew phpMyAdmin kept all its files in one place so replacing it
> with the new version by hand was possible if all else failed but the
> ports system would have still thought it had version 2 and I was rather
> unsure what problems the inconsistency might create later.
> .
> > Can you try:
> >
> > ~   # pkg_delete -f phpMyAdmin-2.11.5.2
>
> Yes, I'd already done that with the same segfault.
>
> > If the worst comes to the worst, you can do this (which is certainly
> > *not* recommended in the general case, just it happens to work for
> > phpMyAdmin which is a port without other things depending on it, and
> > that installs everything into one directory):
> >
> > ~   # cd /usr/local/www
> > ~   # cp phpMyAdmin/config.inc.php /root
> > ~   # rm -rf phpMyAdmin
> > ~   # cd /var/db/pkg
> > ~   # rm -rf phpMyAdmin-2.11.5.2
> > ~   # pkgdb -F
>
> That did the trick, thanks for the help.
>
> > Note: there's no need to reinstall phpMyAdmin because you've upgraded
> > Apache or even PHP.  phpMyAdmin is all native PHP code and identical
> > on disk for whatever combination of PHP interpreter and web server
> > you use.  You just need to copy the Apache config stuff into the new
> > httpd.conf (ie. based on what 'pkg_info -Dx phpMyAdmin' produces).
>
> Yes, but in this case I'd moved my web server temporarily onto another
> machine while I (slowly) upgraded the hardware on this box, hence the
> removal of Apache and PHP. After getting the new hardware back into
> service I installed the newer versions of Apache and PHP, it was just
> by chance that there was still a copy of phpMyAdmin on the system but
> in view of the security vulnerability in 2.11.5.2 I thought I'd better
> replace it with 3.0.0_1.
>
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