Re: Newbie question about freebsd-update: single user mode is not needed anymore?
Hi Jose, with the freebsd-update method you don't need to pass through the "make installworld" as it's a binary patch/upgrade system. Using "freebsd-update upgrade -r 9.1-RELEASE" for example allows you to get your system patched directly without recompiling the kernel and the userland but getting binary patches from the repo and applying these directly on your system. Check the following page for a more detailed explanation and be aware that upgrading your ports/packages is required every time you upgrade your kernel to a major version (which would be your case). http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html Happy new year. On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 13:13 +0100, Jose Garcia Juanino wrote: > Hi, > > I am planning to upgrade from FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE to > FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE. With upgrade source method, it is always needed to > do the "make installworld" step in single user mode. But it seems to > be that single user is not required with freebsd-update method, in the > second "freebsd-update install". Someone could explain the reason? Am I > misunderstanding something? Can I run the upgrade enterely by mean a ssh > connection in a safe way, or will I need a serial console? > > Best regards, and excuse my poor english. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Newbie question about freebsd-update: single user mode is not needed anymore?
For some reason my email hasn't apparently been delivered so I'm re-sending it. "From: ASV To: Jose Garcia Juanino Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie question about freebsd-update: single user mode is not needed anymore? Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:19:19 +0100|" Well, I understand your concern. I've been using the freebsd-update method since several years now and mostly remotely. I've never encounter a problem. I haven't recompiled everything many times as I didn't really found a tangible advantage in this method but I've never thought about this. I believe some developer around here can provide you a neat explanation about that (which is going to be interesting to know). Strictly about your concern I believe whatever way you use for your upgrade you CANNOT be 100% sure that your upgrade will go smoothly and things like loosing control of your remote box will not happen. Even though jumping from close releases 9.0 => 9.1 is a low risk upgrade, a console access to your remote server (via terminal server/KVM/other) is imperative in these cases to avoid the worst. On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 16:50 +0100, Jose Garcia Juanino wrote: > El lunes 31 de diciembre a las 16:27:44 CET, ASV escribió: > > Hi Jose, > > > > with the freebsd-update method you don't need to pass through the "make > > installworld" as it's a binary patch/upgrade system. > > Using "freebsd-update upgrade -r 9.1-RELEASE" for example allows you to > > get your system patched directly without recompiling the kernel and the > > userland but getting binary patches from the repo and applying these > > directly on your system. > > Check the following page for a more detailed explanation and be aware > > that upgrading your ports/packages is required every time you upgrade > > your kernel to a major version (which would be your case). > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html > > > > Happy new year. > > Thanks for your response. > > The freebsd-update upgrade method is: > 1- freebsd-update install # will install a new kernel and modules > 2- reboot in multi user > 3- freebsd-update install # will install new userland > 4- reboot in multi user > > The src upgrade method is: > 1- make installkernel # will install a new kernel > 2- reboot in single user > 3- make installworld # will install a new userland > 4- reboot in multiuser > > I think that the third step is essentially the same in both methods: it > will install a new userland. But the second one require to be ran in > single user, and the first one does not. Why? > > My unique concern is that step 2 in "freebsd-update" method goes > smootly: it will boot kernel in 9.1-RELEASE but userland in 9.0-RELEASE. > If the system hangs giving up the net or other essential service, I will > not be able to reach the computer via ssh. > > Regards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Newbie question about freebsd-update: single user mode is not needed anymore?
Well, I understand your concern. I've been using the freebsd-update method since several years now and mostly remotely. I've never encounter a problem. I haven't recompiled everything many times as I didn't really found a tangible advantage in this method but I've never thought about this. I believe some developer around here can provide you a neat explanation about that (which is going to be interesting to know). Strictly about your concern I believe whatever way you use for your upgrade you CANNOT be 100% sure that your upgrade will go smoothly and things like loosing control of your remote box will not happen. Even though jumping from close releases 9.0 => 9.1 is a low risk upgrade, a console access to your remote server (via terminal server/KVM/other) is imperative in these cases to avoid the worst. On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 16:50 +0100, Jose Garcia Juanino wrote: > El lunes 31 de diciembre a las 16:27:44 CET, ASV escribió: > > Hi Jose, > > > > with the freebsd-update method you don't need to pass through the "make > > installworld" as it's a binary patch/upgrade system. > > Using "freebsd-update upgrade -r 9.1-RELEASE" for example allows you to > > get your system patched directly without recompiling the kernel and the > > userland but getting binary patches from the repo and applying these > > directly on your system. > > Check the following page for a more detailed explanation and be aware > > that upgrading your ports/packages is required every time you upgrade > > your kernel to a major version (which would be your case). > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html > > > > Happy new year. > > Thanks for your response. > > The freebsd-update upgrade method is: > 1- freebsd-update install # will install a new kernel and modules > 2- reboot in multi user > 3- freebsd-update install # will install new userland > 4- reboot in multi user > > The src upgrade method is: > 1- make installkernel # will install a new kernel > 2- reboot in single user > 3- make installworld # will install a new userland > 4- reboot in multiuser > > I think that the third step is essentially the same in both methods: it > will install a new userland. But the second one require to be ran in > single user, and the first one does not. Why? > > My unique concern is that step 2 in "freebsd-update" method goes > smootly: it will boot kernel in 9.1-RELEASE but userland in 9.0-RELEASE. > If the system hangs giving up the net or other essential service, I will > not be able to reach the computer via ssh. > > Regards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Newbie question about freebsd-update: single user mode is not needed anymore?
El lunes 31 de diciembre a las 16:27:44 CET, ASV escribió: > Hi Jose, > > with the freebsd-update method you don't need to pass through the "make > installworld" as it's a binary patch/upgrade system. > Using "freebsd-update upgrade -r 9.1-RELEASE" for example allows you to > get your system patched directly without recompiling the kernel and the > userland but getting binary patches from the repo and applying these > directly on your system. > Check the following page for a more detailed explanation and be aware > that upgrading your ports/packages is required every time you upgrade > your kernel to a major version (which would be your case). > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html > > Happy new year. Thanks for your response. The freebsd-update upgrade method is: 1- freebsd-update install # will install a new kernel and modules 2- reboot in multi user 3- freebsd-update install # will install new userland 4- reboot in multi user The src upgrade method is: 1- make installkernel # will install a new kernel 2- reboot in single user 3- make installworld # will install a new userland 4- reboot in multiuser I think that the third step is essentially the same in both methods: it will install a new userland. But the second one require to be ran in single user, and the first one does not. Why? My unique concern is that step 2 in "freebsd-update" method goes smootly: it will boot kernel in 9.1-RELEASE but userland in 9.0-RELEASE. If the system hangs giving up the net or other essential service, I will not be able to reach the computer via ssh. Regards pgpbaloy3DIlu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie question about freebsd-update: single user mode is not needed anymore?
On 31/12/2012 14:13, Jose Garcia Juanino wrote: > Hi, > > I am planning to upgrade from FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE to > FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE. With upgrade source method, it is always needed to > do the "make installworld" step in single user mode. But it seems to > be that single user is not required with freebsd-update method, in the > second "freebsd-update install". Someone could explain the reason? Am I > misunderstanding something? Can I run the upgrade enterely by mean a ssh > connection in a safe way, or will I need a serial console? > > Best regards, and excuse my poor english. > Hi, Although in the books it says singe user, I always do source upgrade via ssh - so far(8 years) no problems :-) Peter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
