Re: Soekris engineering routers

2004-10-31 Thread cpghost
On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 08:24:06PM -0500, David Kelly wrote:
 IIRC one set of scripts and utilities for creating a minimal FreeBSD 
 for Soekris is called MiniBSD.

You probably mean nanobsd, on FreeBSD 5.X:
  /usr/src/tools/tools/nanobsd

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Re: Soekris engineering routers

2004-10-31 Thread Jay Moore
On Saturday 30 October 2004 07:45 pm, LiQuiD wrote:

 I've noticed a few people mention this company, http://www.soekris.com
 in the list now.  Their website claims they can be used with a compact
 flash card.  I'm curious regarding their usage with a flash card as a
 hard drive.  Has anyone successfully been able to install FreeBSD on one
 of those boxes using a compact flash card?

Not FreeBSD, but I have installed and used OpenBSD successfully. There are a 
few tricks involved in using the CF card. Here's my fstab listing - it may 
help get you started: 

$ cat /etc/fstab
/dev/wd0a / ffs rw,noaccesstime 1 1
# /dev/wd0d /tmp ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
/dev/wd0b /tmp mfs rw,nodev,nosuid,-s=128000 0 0
/dev/wd0b /var mfs rw,nodev,nosuid,union,-s=128000 0 0
/dev/wd0g /usr ffs rw,nodev,noaccesstime 1 2

Check the soekris  OpenBSD mailing list archives for more goodies.

 If this were possible, I could replace my router with that, and a couple
 clients' machines with something far smaller and with much less power
 consumption.

Yep - that's the idea.

Jay
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Re: Soekris engineering routers

2004-10-31 Thread David Kelly
On Oct 31, 2004, at 1:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 08:24:06PM -0500, David Kelly wrote:
IIRC one set of scripts and utilities for creating a minimal FreeBSD
for Soekris is called MiniBSD.
You probably mean nanobsd, on FreeBSD 5.X:
  /usr/src/tools/tools/nanobsd
Thats nice too, but this is what I used and expanded upon for a project:
http://neon1.net/misc/minibsd.html
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Re: Soekris engineering routers

2004-10-31 Thread Chris Howells
On Sunday 31 October 2004 01:45, LiQuiD wrote:
 I've noticed a few people mention this company, http://www.soekris.com
 in the list now.  Their website claims they can be used with a compact
 flash card.  I'm curious regarding their usage with a flash card as a
 hard drive.  Has anyone successfully been able to install FreeBSD on one
 of those boxes using a compact flash card?

My current firewall is FreeBSD 5.3-beta7 running on a Celeron 700 with a pair 
of xl NICs running from a 128MB Compact Flash card via an IDE-CF convertor. 
I basically installed FreeBSD on a spare parition on my desktop, recompiled 
the kernel to remove stuff that I didn't need and copies directories 
like /usr, /bin etc over (very unscientific but I was in a rush and didn't 
have time to write a nice script to automate it yet).

The CF card is mounted read only. rc.conf looks like this:

hostname=gimli.middleearth
ifconfig_xl0=DHCP
ifconfig_xl1=inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xff00
sshd_enable=YES
varmfs=YES
tmpmfs=YES
populate_var=YES
pf_enable=YES

(unfortunately the stuff in the handbook regarding read only file systems is 
obsoleted by rcNG)

and fstab

# DeviceMountpoint  FStype  Options DumpPass#
/dev/ad0s1a /   ufs ro  0   0


You could very very easily fit it onto a 64MB CF card or maybe even 32 if you 
leave out some of the kernel modules, it just takes a bit more thought and 
time.

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Re: Soekris engineering routers

2004-10-31 Thread Jeff Hinrichs
LiQuiD wrote:
Hi all,
I've noticed a few people mention this company, http://www.soekris.com
in the list now.  Their website claims they can be used with a compact
flash card.  I'm curious regarding their usage with a flash card as a
hard drive.  Has anyone successfully been able to install FreeBSD on one
of those boxes using a compact flash card?
If this were possible, I could replace my router with that, and a couple
clients' machines with something far smaller and with much less power
consumption.
I use Soekris boards with m0n0wall(http://m0n0.ch/wall/) there is also a 
m0n0BSD (http://m0n0.ch/bsd/) project that might be of interest to you.

-Jeff
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Soekris engineering routers

2004-10-30 Thread LiQuiD
Hi all,

I've noticed a few people mention this company, http://www.soekris.com
in the list now.  Their website claims they can be used with a compact
flash card.  I'm curious regarding their usage with a flash card as a
hard drive.  Has anyone successfully been able to install FreeBSD on one
of those boxes using a compact flash card?

If this were possible, I could replace my router with that, and a couple
clients' machines with something far smaller and with much less power
consumption.

Thanks,
Sandro M




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Re: Soekris engineering routers

2004-10-30 Thread David Kelly
On Oct 30, 2004, at 7:45 PM, LiQuiD wrote:
I've noticed a few people mention this company, http://www.soekris.com
in the list now.  Their website claims they can be used with a compact
flash card.  I'm curious regarding their usage with a flash card as a
hard drive.  Has anyone successfully been able to install FreeBSD on 
one
of those boxes using a compact flash card?
You should download the Soekris email lists' archives and do a bit of 
research. Yes, FreeBSD can and does run well off a CF card. There are 
plenty of tricks one can perform using the FreeBSD source to optimize 
for that target such as linking (most) all executables to shared 
libraries rather than static. Might as well put / and /usr on the same 
filesystem (necessary for the shared library thing to work right all 
the time). Add noatime to your mount flags. And hack up most of the 
/etc/rc scripts so as to minimize writing to your limited-life CF 
media.

Might be a good idea to make /var and /tmp as md filesystems.
IIRC one set of scripts and utilities for creating a minimal FreeBSD 
for Soekris is called MiniBSD.

Also look into picoBSD. IIRC this is where one puts most all needed 
files and binaries into one file image. Is how FreeBSD creates bootable 
install floppies. Make one with nothing but your router image and you 
might chose to boot the Soekris diskless off another FreeBSD machine.

Its been almost 2 years since I last did these sorts of tricks. Started 
with MiniBSD and expanded. For a former employer so I don't have it to 
share.

The Soekris products are solid and very good values. I think we had a 
few CPU's get too hot. Also I don't like to hear the oils on my finger 
sizzle when I touch a chip. So we glued big aluminum heatsinks to the 
CPU with special heatsink epoxy. Those heatsinks barely got warm in an 
unvented box. Our heatsinks blocked use of the PCMCIA slot, which we 
didn't use. Caution with the PCI slot, its 3.3 volt only. Hard to find 
a sound card which works at 3.3.

We bought one big heatsink surplus. Then cut about 1.75 squares out of 
it with a bandsaw for use on the Soekris.

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