Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : Way or utility in Freedos to have two applications running
Hello everyone. I have found this utility. It doesn't seem to work with Freedos. The application starts but the configuration file not work. Probably can't find any ms-dos files. A utility of this type would be interesting for Freedos. https://vetusware.com/download/PC-Mix/?id=8992 In any case, I am happy with SideKick's solution. Thanks all. Thanks Freedos !!! Ramon Riera El jue, 11 abr 2024 a las 19:39, Ramon Riera Marès () escribió: > Dear Liam and Tomas. > > Well, I'll be a good boy and won't do it anymore. The topic of > hallucinating gives me a bad feeling. > > But searching I found the Pc-mix utility that if it works with Freedos we > will have "Human Hallucination" :-) > > Today I will try it with Freedos. > > Thanks and regards, > > Ramón Riera > > El jue, 11 abr 2024 a las 14:33, Tomas By via Freedos-user (< > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net>) escribió: > >> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 14:10:24 +0200, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: >> > LLM bots are not "AI", they are marketing BS. >> >> True. >> >> > [...] and they emit total nonsense >> >> Well, not always. It's like 50/50. >> >> /Tomas >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : Way or utility in Freedos to have two applications running
Dear Liam and Tomas. Well, I'll be a good boy and won't do it anymore. The topic of hallucinating gives me a bad feeling. But searching I found the Pc-mix utility that if it works with Freedos we will have "Human Hallucination" :-) Today I will try it with Freedos. Thanks and regards, Ramón Riera El jue, 11 abr 2024 a las 14:33, Tomas By via Freedos-user (< freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net>) escribió: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 14:10:24 +0200, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: > > LLM bots are not "AI", they are marketing BS. > > True. > > > [...] and they emit total nonsense > > Well, not always. It's like 50/50. > > /Tomas > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : Way or utility in Freedos to have two applications running
Sorry Thanks Jim. El mié., 10 abr. 2024 16:38, Ramon Riera Marès escribió: > Thanks Paul, Liam, Andrew, Kim. > > For the moment I will use SideKick which allows me to use the outliner > software and the SideKick editor. Although I also use Linux, I am a happy > Freedos user because I boot from my USB in a second and I am working in two > seconds. This does not happen with Linux or with any other OS that I know. > > Greetings and thanks again. > > Ramón Riera > > El mié., 10 abr. 2024 16:09, Jim Hall via Freedos-user < > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> escribió: > >> > Ramon Riera Marès wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > First of all, thanks to all the Freedos developers and >> collaborators. I want to know if there is any way or utility in Freedos to >> have >> > >> > two applications running, for example an outliner and a text >> editor, and be able to switch from one to the other without having to >> > >> > exit the current application. Thanks and regards. Ramon Riera. >> > >> >> >> Paul and Liam both mentioned DESQview, which was a popular >> multitasking system on MS-DOS in the 1990s. I haven't tried it with >> FreeDOS, so I can't comment how well it works or if it uses MS-DOS >> features that aren't in FreeDOS. >> >> I'll add that MS-DOS also had a "task swapping" feature in DOSSHELL >> that was pretty neat. That feature showed up in MS-DOS 5 (1991) and I >> used it all the time when I was a university student. My typical use >> case was swapping between a word processor and a spreadsheet, such as >> when I wrote my physics lab reports. >> >> An archive of the Microsoft Knowledgebase article about it is copied here: >> https://jeffpar.github.io/kbarchive/kb/071/Q71870/ >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : Way or utility in Freedos to have two applications running
Thanks Paul, Liam, Andrew, Kim. For the moment I will use SideKick which allows me to use the outliner software and the SideKick editor. Although I also use Linux, I am a happy Freedos user because I boot from my USB in a second and I am working in two seconds. This does not happen with Linux or with any other OS that I know. Greetings and thanks again. Ramón Riera El mié., 10 abr. 2024 16:09, Jim Hall via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> escribió: > > Ramon Riera Marès wrote: > > >> > > >> > First of all, thanks to all the Freedos developers and > collaborators. I want to know if there is any way or utility in Freedos to > have > > >> > two applications running, for example an outliner and a text > editor, and be able to switch from one to the other without having to > > >> > exit the current application. Thanks and regards. Ramon Riera. > > > > > Paul and Liam both mentioned DESQview, which was a popular > multitasking system on MS-DOS in the 1990s. I haven't tried it with > FreeDOS, so I can't comment how well it works or if it uses MS-DOS > features that aren't in FreeDOS. > > I'll add that MS-DOS also had a "task swapping" feature in DOSSHELL > that was pretty neat. That feature showed up in MS-DOS 5 (1991) and I > used it all the time when I was a university student. My typical use > case was swapping between a word processor and a spreadsheet, such as > when I wrote my physics lab reports. > > An archive of the Microsoft Knowledgebase article about it is copied here: > https://jeffpar.github.io/kbarchive/kb/071/Q71870/ > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : Way or utility in Freedos to have two applications running
Thanks Paul. I asked AI Gemini and he answered me this: Question: Is there any utility in freedos that allows me to run two programs at the same time? Gemini answers: Yes, there are some utilities in FreeDOS that allow you to run two programs at the same time: 1. TCC: It is a command-line shell that allows you to execute multiple commands in a single line. You can use TCC to run two programs at the same time using the & command. For example, to run the calc program and the notepad program at the same time, you would run the following command: calc & notepad The & command tells TCC to run the following command in the background. 2. 4DOS: It is a DOS shell that allows you to run multiple programs in a single session. You can use 4DOS to run two programs at the same time using the START command. For example, to run the calc program and the notepad program at the same time, you would run the following command: START calc START notepad The START command starts a new program in a separate window. 3. W4DOS: It is a graphical desktop environment for FreeDOS. You can use W4DOS to run two programs at the same time by opening two different windows. To open a new window, click the "Start" button and then select "Run." In the "Run" dialog box, type the name of the program you want to run, and then click "OK." Tool choice: The best tool for you will depend on your needs and preferences. If you need a simple way to run two programs at the same time, TCC is a good option. If you need a more flexible way to run two programs at the same time, 4DOS is a good option. If you want to run two programs at the same time in a graphical environment, W4DOS is a good option. -- Does anyone have experience with these utilities? Which is the simplest? Thanks and regards, Ramón Riera El mié., 10 abr. 2024 13:21, Paul Dufresne escribió: > Le mer., 10 avr. 2024 06:33:38 -0400 Ramon Riera Marès via > Freedos-user a écrit > > > First of all, thanks to all the Freedos developers and collaborators. I > want to know if there is any way or utility in Freedos to have > > two applications running, for example an outliner and a text editor, > and be able to switch from one to the other without having to > > exit the current application. Thanks and regards. Ramon Riera. > > It is possible, but very hard to write, because DOS is not reentrant: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reentrancy_(computing) > > DOS have a call to quit a program, but leaving it in memory Terminate > Stay Resident (TSR). > But such programs must respect special rules to avoid DOS to crash. > > There was a program, DESKVIEW, that was making an OS that was reentrant... > as far as I understand, > that was running over a DOS. Making it easy to have more than one program > running at a time. > See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview > > I don't know how hard it would be to make FreeDOS reentrant... or what was > the recent infos as > I am mostly basing the info I give here to what I learns in the nineties. > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Way or utility in Freedos to have two applications running
First of all, thanks to all the Freedos developers and collaborators. I want to know if there is any way or utility in Freedos to have two applications running, for example an outliner and a text editor, and be able to switch from one to the other without having to exit the current application. Thanks and regards. Ramon Riera. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] IDLE HALT=1 is working on my laptop?
Eric, thank you very much for your help. Greetings. Ramon El dom., 29 oct. 2023 2:27, Eric Auer via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> escribió: > > Hi Ramon, > > > If I use FDAPM APMDOS in my fdauto.bat I get the following message: > > > > Performing action: APMDOS > > If APMDOS slows > > APM not available, skipping APM setup. > > Going resident. > > > > This is because I have freedos poorly configured or because my hardware > > does not support it. (My laptop is about 12 years old) > > As you see, it goes resident nevertheless. Your BIOS does not > offer APM support, so FDAPM uses a generic fallback instead. > > You could play with the FDAPM SPEEDn options (example: SPEED4) > as additional trick. This will throttle the system by halting > it half of the time in a fast rhythm, but be prepared that it > may fail in bad ways, so do not put it in your fdauto until > you have tested it interactively. > > It is possible that SPEEDn does not work at all, because > FDAPM does not sufficiently understand your ACPI BIOS, or > it is possible that it crashes the computer in some way. > > If that happens, you will have to hard reset it (if you > have a reset button) or even power cycle it (for example > by keeping the power button pressed for several seconds). > > Of course you do not need to use SPEEDn at all if normal > FDAPM APMDOS already reduces energy consumption, heat > and fan activity sufficiently. It is just an additional > thing you COULD try. > > Regards, Eric > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] IDLE HALT=1 is working on my laptop?
Eric, thank you very much for your answer. In my fdconfig.sys it is correct (without space) sorry. If I use FDAPM APMDOS in my fdauto.bat I get the following message: Performing action: APMDOS If APMDOS slows APM not available, skipping APM setup. Going resident. This is because I have freedos poorly configured or because my hardware does not support it. (My laptop is about 12 years old) Thanks and greetings, Ramon ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] IDLE HALT=1 is working on my laptop?
Hello all !!! I have IDLE HALT=1 in my fdconfig.sys and in config.sys - FreeDOS 1.3 FullUSB How can I know if IDLE HALT=1 is working on my laptop? because the fan starts up very frequently at full power. Thanks and greetings, Ramon ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on usb
Hi can I get some instructions on who to write the cfg file or a place which gives instructions, so I can boot the freedos with syslinux boot loader. thanks -- From: Ray Davison ray...@charter.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:28 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on usb ramin wrote: Hi I saw that it was possible to run freedos from a usb. I have two thumb drives that I cloned from a boot floppy with the HP utility. On my laptop - which has no A: - they both work, but one boots as A: and the other as C:. I am going to keep the A:. Ray -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
