Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:13:30 +0100, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: > > The localtime files change all the time, look at how often > > timezone-data is updated. Everyone some bright spark comes up with > > another clever way of squeezing 25 hours into a day, his country's > > DST rules change. That's why openrc has a setting to manage this > > automatically for you. > I know that it happens, I just fail to understand why... ;) It's a government/civil service thing, you're not supposed to understand. Just be a good boy and vote for them next time :-/ - -- Neil Bothwick Windows - software package to turn a 486 into an Etch-A-Sketch! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk8Veq4ACgkQum4al0N1GQMi0wCfRdHSd3KKTfmbzYHEtq4icEVg 4HgAn0rIa2VpAvt829RiBdtIO/jib7BN =cloF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17.01.2012 14:06, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:41:48 +0100, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: > Symlinking is not recommended as it breaks when /usr is on a separate filesystem. The file should be copied instead. >>> >>> Are you sure you're not confusing that with hardlinking? >>> >>> Because AFAIK symlinking is the only linking that can cross >>> filesystem borders. > > It can... if the filesystem is mounted at the time. AFAIR this > causes problem setting the timezone at boot time. > >> Symlinking works (over filesystem borders, too, Pandu is right) >> and it even "autoupdates" localtime when (why ever) something in >> zoneinfo changes... > > The localtime files change all the time, look at how often > timezone-data is updated. Everyone some bright spark comes up with > another clever way of squeezing 25 hours into a day, his country's > DST rules change. That's why openrc has a setting to manage this > automatically for you. > > I know that it happens, I just fail to understand why... ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPFXP6AAoJEJwwOFaNFkYc3XQIAMnFUGScoaV9hg5mCcMwthmj i2k3iWxPaYNCwfoC64TlW6vijf/SpRwdLZULRq0N1Yc6t8sAs8cTY8u0CzZjVMPG WL9mK2lYOyzhE41kjBjxvjfV3Tee6mgeBHXfeFqIglR9/jfEBFp3ZFF1kX++R2K3 fXFuOffEGczcXHyv6TCNYYcLU0VYqRYvrJ0NGFQHRjpXcLJffFO9FTpdeg0VJHar 8eSpFMKjy0505iggFVvdB2DMx/SdrLJ4UWlBI/O/Lxztk8VUHnZYzPhMn1W8lz9p fyGf8BTGJieQvijN4njORZ4GGEEHOX3myFPbS1nNoRWXbqzjk44Mog3GDGu9WR4= =V+Pc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:41:48 +0100, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: > >> Symlinking is not recommended as it breaks when /usr is on a > >> separate filesystem. The file should be copied instead. > >> > > > > Are you sure you're not confusing that with hardlinking? > > > > Because AFAIK symlinking is the only linking that can cross > > filesystem borders. It can... if the filesystem is mounted at the time. AFAIR this causes problem setting the timezone at boot time. > Symlinking works (over filesystem borders, too, Pandu is right) and > it even "autoupdates" localtime when (why ever) something in zoneinfo > changes... The localtime files change all the time, look at how often timezone-data is updated. Everyone some bright spark comes up with another clever way of squeezing 25 hours into a day, his country's DST rules change. That's why openrc has a setting to manage this automatically for you. - -- Neil Bothwick Make like a tree and leave. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk8VcnMACgkQum4al0N1GQPbRQCfSP/xhZyb5pvn9RY4B/OfcsHT B5UAn1QvHsp22qTsEaOGZ43HMQDvWhsm =p+9j -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 19:41, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: > > On 17.01.2012 13:29, Pandu Poluan wrote: >> On Jan 17, 2012 7:20 PM, "Neil Bothwick" >> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:13:53 +0100, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen >>> wrote: >>> Should be done with: ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime >>> >>> Symlinking is not recommended as it breaks when /usr is on a >>> separate filesystem. The file should be copied instead. >>> >> >> Are you sure you're not confusing that with hardlinking? >> >> Because AFAIK symlinking is the only linking that can cross >> filesystem borders. >> > Symlinking works (over filesystem borders, too, Pandu is right) and > it even "autoupdates" localtime when (why ever) something in zoneinfo > changes... As to the "why" ... Just two sample cases: In 2010 (or 2009, I forgot) the USA Federal Govt "redefines" the changeover dates for DST. Also, at the very end of 2011, Samoa changed their timezone from UTC-11 to UTC+13 (+14 in summer) [1][2] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Date_Line#Samoan_Islands_and_Tokelau [2] http://www.webcitation.org/64jx2ob6X Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ • LOPSA Member #15248 • Blog : http://pepoluan.tumblr.com • Linked-In : http://id.linkedin.com/in/pepoluan
Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17.01.2012 13:29, Pandu Poluan wrote: > On Jan 17, 2012 7:20 PM, "Neil Bothwick" > wrote: >> >> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:13:53 +0100, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen >> wrote: >> >>> Should be done with: >>> >>> ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime >> >> Symlinking is not recommended as it breaks when /usr is on a >> separate filesystem. The file should be copied instead. >> > > Are you sure you're not confusing that with hardlinking? > > Because AFAIK symlinking is the only linking that can cross > filesystem borders. > > CMIIW > > Rgds, > Symlinking works (over filesystem borders, too, Pandu is right) and it even "autoupdates" localtime when (why ever) something in zoneinfo changes... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPFWyMAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcVxEH/jErMjFwb3mRBUvcty0WvOxH GQXXeTKC03WV4UdGTvNIjWO7Ssp45WQQU1TTvnTPMxn93eEwV/m2Dzvnl9+DhHTv 96eylcxKA5QNO5Sn0Ol6p0NJcG62nGbzJ/5MQzNrhBTvZcu2jJ9g77Jpyzgr0hhx nb/cEI0qwe+iyoxd0Aa34MAjJNjG7rUnFb9zw+8iFol4nt/1NT8ldQtYKZkaHlfZ zHfSkSWDx9SCDqwVrcaxMGjZVK0Lb91cfPp1HvJ350L4gyCffskYE/gtKh3m0IXV DS4JK2kVp7fDJjeWfBiVWUpDuNAs7zYiI0rTs6z6tvYyxrufUmtWux1xI2WOcGg= =HBnE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
On Jan 17, 2012 7:20 PM, "Neil Bothwick" wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:13:53 +0100, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: > > > Should be done with: > > > > ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime > > Symlinking is not recommended as it breaks when /usr is on a separate > filesystem. The file should be copied instead. > Are you sure you're not confusing that with hardlinking? Because AFAIK symlinking is the only linking that can cross filesystem borders. CMIIW Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:13:53 +0100, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: > Should be done with: > > ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime Symlinking is not recommended as it breaks when /usr is on a separate filesystem. The file should be copied instead. The correct Gentoo/OpenRC way to do this is echo Europe/Berlin >|/etc/timezone That will copy the correct file to /etc each time you update the timezone-data package. -- Neil Bothwick When the going gets tough, upgrade. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 08:13:53AM +0100, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > On 17.01.2012 03:56, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hi, everybody. > > I've finally become zic and tired of messages like > > Tue Jan 17 02:48:28 Local time zone must be set--see zic manual > > page 2012 on tty14 > > . Trying to read man zic, my eyes just glaze over. I "just" want > > my time to be GMT (or UTC or UCT, or whatever it's called these > > days). Surely I don't have to go through the palaver described in > > the zic manual page. > > Help, please! > Should be done with: > ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime Thanks, that did it. > (Berlin is my guess since you hail from Nuremberg, otherwise look in > /usr/share/zoneinfo if something fits better) Actually I set it to UTC. Even though I live in De, I leave my watch set to UTC and make the required conversion every time I look at it. It's not hard, begin only one or two hours different, depending on the season. > Kind regards, > Hinnerk -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17.01.2012 03:56, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, everybody. > > I've finally become zic and tired of messages like > > Tue Jan 17 02:48:28 Local time zone must be set--see zic manual > page 2012 on tty14 > > . Trying to read man zic, my eyes just glaze over. I "just" want > my time to be GMT (or UTC or UCT, or whatever it's called these > days). Surely I don't have to go through the palaver described in > the zic manual page. > > Help, please! > Should be done with: ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime (Berlin is my guess since you hail from Nuremberg, otherwise look in /usr/share/zoneinfo if something fits better) Kind regards, Hinnerk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPFR+xAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcbPsH/iLJUSJjgWaAfMQzp1sXyI/X uCVHqToWpGSQxMyVYEL6C9/uBrBmBa0uCB+XWbuCM/6vxdifvwoKfQ2nneKQPx78 uEVUqBb0DZY0jEfJf7HMdvnGbZGLkNBnpvt237UE6615qp75mzn+Y5qMvQ17gVBo 7Tcq8SWIwQbUcxw3ksGrY9qOmf7TG7+QMexr88boR1WwXvmPkmNM/Mia/AzoJZKT sd5PCgC7H9K4PciPazFxQrLnlq4tUdfXLBj6Fb7vOJNHgGw5aS2XdCxm0d6rGPYi VT1u0yrkbTNm/RHZVW8wWEYexS/NYoRQMdyd9ze02A1GaopmejkN2QSJCk21Lt4= =l3JX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] ZIC, aka setting the time zone.
On 1/16/2012 09:56 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, everybody. > > I've finally become zic and tired of messages like > > Tue Jan 17 02:48:28 Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page 2012 > on tty14 > > . Trying to read man zic, my eyes just glaze over. I "just" want my > time to be GMT (or UTC or UCT, or whatever it's called these days). > Surely I don't have to go through the palaver described in the zic > manual page. > > Help, please! I'm not sure what arch you're using, but the Installation manual has a part of the answer for you. I tend to avoid zic like I would avoid the plague, and use the Gentoo method of changing settings. For x86/amd64 systems (7.1.7): # ls /usr/share/zoneinfo (Suppose you want to use GMT) # cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/GMT /etc/localtime You also need to edit /etc/conf.d/hwclock (if you're using baselayout-2) Specifically, you want to change the "clock=" line to the timezone you are going to be using. There also used to be an /etc/timezone file that would have to be edited, as well. I think they removed that file, but it has been a while since I changed my timezone. After doing all this, you'd have to "source /etc/profile" in your active shells, or just restart. You may get some errors about file times - especially when trying to emerge packages, and if the dates would be in the future. Not a problem if they're in the past. Chris signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
