Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
On 10/15/2018 12:19 AM, Martin Packer wrote: Now, an interesting (to me) question is whether the 4-character version is unique. I've always assumed they are not *guaranteed* unique, but in practice they seem to be. Serial numbers are so sparse that we see customers *routinely* upgrade from one CPU type to another *without* changing the serial number! It would be good problem for the mainframe community to have more than 64K physical mainframes of any given type running in the world simultaneously. FWIW, we check only the last four hex digits of the serial number in our licensing routines... -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
It's SOP for vendors who issue CPU-based keys to require notification of upcoming hardware changes in order to generate new keys. One particular vendor demands to see the results of 'D M=CPU' for *every individual LPAR* on a box. I can't tell you how supremely irritating this is. For a typical push-pull installation, we can't even IPL all (or often any) LPARs on a new box until Big Bang day when everything has to work ASAP. At that point the product in question will not run at all. (This one has no grace period.) Furthermore, on our DR box, most LPARs do not run at all except during DR tests. Again, the product will not work at all until we play the vendor's key game. Advice to vendors: if you force your customer to manage without your product for some time, you run the risk of demonstrating how to manage without it forever. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 12:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: CPU ID display incorrect? BTW "84" is Singapore, FWIW. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Elardus Engelbrecht To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 15/10/2018 13:46 Subject: Re: CPU ID display incorrect? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Tony Thigpen wrote: >Ok, I was not thinking clearly yesterday. Nevermind, Sunday is supposed to be a day to rest, go to church and enjoy your few precious times with your family, but we z/Os support don't have that luxury, we must respond within 3.5 nanoseconds once a problem appears no matter the time/date/urgency/impact ... ;-) >My 'well seasoned' z/OS systems programmer was having a FIT because he thought someone had sent the vendor the wrong CPU-ID for an expiring product (VTAM-Switch) that was scheduled for a key installation this weekend. He is two timezones away and was telling me that I can't be reading the sticker on the frame correctly because of what the D M=CPU was showing. Aw, cr*p! He is insulting you and wasting your precious time! >The thing is, he did not even try the new key before he started the fussing. He just looked at the vendor's email (which included the real CPUID), looked at the D M=CPU and started an email war. It escalated before I had a chance to even think about the LPAR id. Did I told you that he is insulting you in a royal way? In fact, always ensure what your vendor (and your 'seasoned' programmer) has, is EXACTLY the same what you read. But never mind, I totally ignored that part of VTAM-Print, because I am 101% unfamiliar with that thing. You said: "Additionally, VTAM-Print says: (GSMINITL) THIS CPU: 758C7" That number is not near that number you posted ... A58C7 From my Sub-Capacity Report, I always compare that these 2 lines Machine Serial Number 84-? <5 numbers> Machine Type and Model -??? <4 numbers-3 numbers> ... match with this from D M=CPU, where I see this: CPC ND = 00.???.IBM.84.000? (That is where your A58C7 sit) and also the same with CPC SI. Please kick that 'well seasoned' z/OS systems programmer where the sun is not shining and show him the door. Thanks for your clarification anyways. ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
BTW "84" is Singapore, FWIW. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Elardus Engelbrecht To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 15/10/2018 13:46 Subject: Re: CPU ID display incorrect? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Tony Thigpen wrote: >Ok, I was not thinking clearly yesterday. Nevermind, Sunday is supposed to be a day to rest, go to church and enjoy your few precious times with your family, but we z/Os support don't have that luxury, we must respond within 3.5 nanoseconds once a problem appears no matter the time/date/urgency/impact ... ;-) >My 'well seasoned' z/OS systems programmer was having a FIT because he thought someone had sent the vendor the wrong CPU-ID for an expiring product (VTAM-Switch) that was scheduled for a key installation this weekend. He is two timezones away and was telling me that I can't be reading the sticker on the frame correctly because of what the D M=CPU was showing. Aw, cr*p! He is insulting you and wasting your precious time! >The thing is, he did not even try the new key before he started the fussing. He just looked at the vendor's email (which included the real CPUID), looked at the D M=CPU and started an email war. It escalated before I had a chance to even think about the LPAR id. Did I told you that he is insulting you in a royal way? In fact, always ensure what your vendor (and your 'seasoned' programmer) has, is EXACTLY the same what you read. But never mind, I totally ignored that part of VTAM-Print, because I am 101% unfamiliar with that thing. You said: "Additionally, VTAM-Print says: (GSMINITL) THIS CPU: 758C7" That number is not near that number you posted ... A58C7 >From my Sub-Capacity Report, I always compare that these 2 lines Machine Serial Number 84-? <5 numbers> Machine Type and Model -??? <4 numbers-3 numbers> ... match with this from D M=CPU, where I see this: CPC ND = 00.???.IBM.84.000? (That is where your A58C7 sit) and also the same with CPC SI. Please kick that 'well seasoned' z/OS systems programmer where the sun is not shining and show him the door. Thanks for your clarification anyways. ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
Tony Thigpen wrote: >Ok, I was not thinking clearly yesterday. Nevermind, Sunday is supposed to be a day to rest, go to church and enjoy your few precious times with your family, but we z/Os support don't have that luxury, we must respond within 3.5 nanoseconds once a problem appears no matter the time/date/urgency/impact ... ;-) >My 'well seasoned' z/OS systems programmer was having a FIT because he thought >someone had sent the vendor the wrong CPU-ID for an expiring product >(VTAM-Switch) that was scheduled for a key installation this weekend. He is >two timezones away and was telling me that I can't be reading the sticker on >the frame correctly because of what the D M=CPU was showing. Aw, cr*p! He is insulting you and wasting your precious time! >The thing is, he did not even try the new key before he started the fussing. >He just looked at the vendor's email (which included the real CPUID), looked >at the D M=CPU and started an email war. It escalated before I had a chance to >even think about the LPAR id. Did I told you that he is insulting you in a royal way? In fact, always ensure what your vendor (and your 'seasoned' programmer) has, is EXACTLY the same what you read. But never mind, I totally ignored that part of VTAM-Print, because I am 101% unfamiliar with that thing. You said: "Additionally, VTAM-Print says: (GSMINITL) THIS CPU: 758C7" That number is not near that number you posted ... A58C7 From my Sub-Capacity Report, I always compare that these 2 lines Machine Serial Number 84-? <5 numbers> Machine Type and Model -??? <4 numbers-3 numbers> ... match with this from D M=CPU, where I see this: CPC ND = 00.???.IBM.84.000? (That is where your A58C7 sit) and also the same with CPC SI. Please kick that 'well seasoned' z/OS systems programmer where the sun is not shining and show him the door. Thanks for your clarification anyways. ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
Ok, I was not thinking clearly yesterday. My 'well seasoned' z/OS systems programmer was having a FIT because he thought someone had sent the vendor the wrong CPU-ID for an expiring product (VTAM-Switch) that was scheduled for a key installation this weekend. He is two timezones away and was telling me that I can't be reading the sticker on the frame correctly because of what the D M=CPU was showing. The thing is, he did not even try the new key before he started the fussing. He just looked at the vendor's email (which included the real CPUID), looked at the D M=CPU and started an email war. It escalated before I had a chance to even think about the LPAR id. Tony Thigpen Elardus Engelbrecht wrote on 10/15/18 2:35 AM: Tony Thigpen wrote: Why would the D M=CPU display a wrong number. What number? What is wrong? Perhaps something is wrong because you read/posted it on a Sunday? ;-) Running z/os 1.13 on a z12-BC. 17.13.21 HKYP d m=cpu 17.13.21 HKYP IEE174I 17.13.21 DISPLAY M 204 PROCESSOR STATUS ID CPU SERIAL 00 + 0758C72828 CPC ND = 002828.H06.IBM.84.000A58C7 CPC SI = 2828.A01.IBM.84.000A58C7 Model: H06 CPC ID = 00 CPC NAME = YUKON LP NAME = HKYPRODLP ID = 7 CSS ID = 0 MIF ID = 7 Looking Ok to me. Seems to me you have at least one CPU active. The physical CPU id stamped into the machine is "A58C7". The 'Edit Frame' in the SE says: Machine Type: 2828 Machine Model: H06 Serial Number: 0008400A58C7 It match with the D M=CPU output, unless I missed something. Did you upgraded concurrently your processor(s) to a new model? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
Tell us what it says, please. :-) Seriously, if TFM fails to cover the ground adequately let us know. Thanks, Martin Sent from my iPad > On 15 Oct 2018, at 08:24, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > > Martin Packer wrote: > >> It could be because the OP expects to see the 5-character version of the CPU ID. But, since the advent of PR/SM we’ve only ever had the 4-character version. > >> In SMF we show the 4-character in CPU Data Section in Type 70 but fuller versions - because I asked for them long ago :-) - in other places in 70 and also in 74-4. > >> Now, an interesting (to me) question is whether the 4-character version is unique. > > Interesting. I forgot about that. Many thanks! > > Time for me to do a boring RTFM on a blue Monday... ;-) > > Groete / Greetings > Elardus Engelbrecht > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
Martin Packer wrote: >It could be because the OP expects to see the 5-character version of the CPU >ID. But, since the advent of PR/SM we’ve only ever had the 4-character version. >In SMF we show the 4-character in CPU Data Section in Type 70 but fuller >versions - because I asked for them long ago :-) - in other places in 70 and >also in 74-4. >Now, an interesting (to me) question is whether the 4-character version is >unique. Interesting. I forgot about that. Many thanks! Time for me to do a boring RTFM on a blue Monday... ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
It could be because the OP expects to see the 5-character version of the CPU ID. But, since the advent of PR/SM we’ve only ever had the 4-character version. In SMF we show the 4-character in CPU Data Section in Type 70 but fuller versions - because I asked for them long ago :-) - in other places in 70 and also in 74-4. Now, an interesting (to me) question is whether the 4-character version is unique. Cheers, Martin Sent from my iPad > On 15 Oct 2018, at 07:35, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > > Tony Thigpen wrote: > >> Why would the D M=CPU display a wrong number. > > What number? What is wrong? > > Perhaps something is wrong because you read/posted it on a Sunday? ;-) > > >> Running z/os 1.13 on a z12-BC. >> 17.13.21 HKYP d m=cpu >> 17.13.21 HKYP IEE174I 17.13.21 DISPLAY M 204 >> PROCESSOR STATUS >> ID CPU SERIAL >> 00 + 0758C72828 > >> CPC ND = 002828.H06.IBM.84.000A58C7 >> CPC SI = 2828.A01.IBM.84.000A58C7 >> Model: H06 >> CPC ID = 00 >> CPC NAME = YUKON >> LP NAME = HKYPRODLP ID = 7 >> CSS ID = 0 >> MIF ID = 7 > > Looking Ok to me. Seems to me you have at least one CPU active. > > >> The physical CPU id stamped into the machine is "A58C7". > >> The 'Edit Frame' in the SE says: >> Machine Type: 2828 >> Machine Model: H06 >> Serial Number: 0008400A58C7 > > It match with the D M=CPU output, unless I missed something. > > Did you upgraded concurrently your processor(s) to a new model? > > Groete / Greetings > Elardus Engelbrecht > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
Tony Thigpen wrote: >Why would the D M=CPU display a wrong number. What number? What is wrong? Perhaps something is wrong because you read/posted it on a Sunday? ;-) >Running z/os 1.13 on a z12-BC. >17.13.21 HKYP d m=cpu >17.13.21 HKYP IEE174I 17.13.21 DISPLAY M 204 >PROCESSOR STATUS >ID CPU SERIAL >00 + 0758C72828 >CPC ND = 002828.H06.IBM.84.000A58C7 >CPC SI = 2828.A01.IBM.84.000A58C7 > Model: H06 >CPC ID = 00 >CPC NAME = YUKON >LP NAME = HKYPRODLP ID = 7 >CSS ID = 0 >MIF ID = 7 Looking Ok to me. Seems to me you have at least one CPU active. >The physical CPU id stamped into the machine is "A58C7". >The 'Edit Frame' in the SE says: >Machine Type: 2828 >Machine Model: H06 >Serial Number: 0008400A58C7 It match with the D M=CPU output, unless I missed something. Did you upgraded concurrently your processor(s) to a new model? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
Looks correct. Doug . On Oct 14, 2018, at 18:59, Charles Mills wrote: What do you see as wrong? 07 is the LPAR 58C7 is the last four of the physical serial 2828 is the machine type Or am I missing some detail of your question? (Or missing completely ?) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: CPU ID display incorrect? Why would the D M=CPU display a wrong number. Running z/os 1.13 on a z12-BC. 17.13.21 HKYP d m=cpu 17.13.21 HKYP IEE174I 17.13.21 DISPLAY M 204 PROCESSOR STATUS ID CPU SERIAL 00 + 0758C72828 CPC ND = 002828.H06.IBM.84.000A58C7 CPC SI = 2828.A01.IBM.84.000A58C7 Model: H06 CPC ID = 00 CPC NAME = YUKON LP NAME = HKYPRODLP ID = 7 CSS ID = 0 MIF ID = 7 The physical CPU id stamped into the machine is "A58C7". The 'Edit Frame' in the SE says: Machine Type: 2828 Machine Model: H06 Serial Number: 0008400A58C7 Additionally, VTAM-Print says: (GSMINITL) THIS CPU: 758C7 -- Tony Thigpen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
What do you see as wrong? 07 is the LPAR 58C7 is the last four of the physical serial 2828 is the machine type Or am I missing some detail of your question? (Or missing completely ?) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: CPU ID display incorrect? Why would the D M=CPU display a wrong number. Running z/os 1.13 on a z12-BC. 17.13.21 HKYP d m=cpu 17.13.21 HKYP IEE174I 17.13.21 DISPLAY M 204 PROCESSOR STATUS ID CPU SERIAL 00 + 0758C72828 CPC ND = 002828.H06.IBM.84.000A58C7 CPC SI = 2828.A01.IBM.84.000A58C7 Model: H06 CPC ID = 00 CPC NAME = YUKON LP NAME = HKYPRODLP ID = 7 CSS ID = 0 MIF ID = 7 The physical CPU id stamped into the machine is "A58C7". The 'Edit Frame' in the SE says: Machine Type: 2828 Machine Model: H06 Serial Number: 0008400A58C7 Additionally, VTAM-Print says: (GSMINITL) THIS CPU: 758C7 -- Tony Thigpen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
CPU ID display incorrect?
Why would the D M=CPU display a wrong number. Running z/os 1.13 on a z12-BC. 17.13.21 HKYP d m=cpu 17.13.21 HKYP IEE174I 17.13.21 DISPLAY M 204 PROCESSOR STATUS ID CPU SERIAL 00 + 0758C72828 CPC ND = 002828.H06.IBM.84.000A58C7 CPC SI = 2828.A01.IBM.84.000A58C7 Model: H06 CPC ID = 00 CPC NAME = YUKON LP NAME = HKYPRODLP ID = 7 CSS ID = 0 MIF ID = 7 The physical CPU id stamped into the machine is "A58C7". The 'Edit Frame' in the SE says: Machine Type: 2828 Machine Model: H06 Serial Number: 0008400A58C7 Additionally, VTAM-Print says: (GSMINITL) THIS CPU: 758C7 -- Tony Thigpen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
