Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
Thanks for the help. Jim -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Nick Jones Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them From a logger perspective there is no clear answer, but there are a number of tools to get off the data set. Logger data sets are of the form HLQ.lsname.suffix and there are staging data sets and offload data sets. To get off of staging data sets you can change the duplex method for the log streams to stg_duplex=NO and that will get off the data set, and then change it back and it can re-allocate a staging data set on the new dasd. You'll have to go through a user managed rebuild after each duplex change for the change to take effect. For offload data set logger keeps the most recently used offload data set for each log stream and on each system allocated. The data sets remain allocated until a new offload data set is needed because the previous one filled. This is a tricky condition to force. 1) you can force an offload with the samplib proc OFFLDS. S IXGOFLDS,LOGSTRM=lsname This is a relativley risk free option, but if there is not enough log data in primary storage, it may not cause a new data set allocation to get off the current. 2) D logger,c,lsn=lsname,d -- This will show you the jobs that are using the log stream, You can find then use the recommended method to quiesce these applications. 3) Many but not all logger applications will automatically reconnect if they are disconnected. You can do a SETLOGR FORCE,DISC,LSName=x to disconnect from the logstream on a system, you might have to do this from multiple systems and multiple log streams to relieve all data sets used in a volume. Disconnecting should cause the data sets to be unallocated. However if applications don't like being disconected they may have to be restarted. You'll have to investigate each logger exploiters behavior to see how they tolerate these conditions and hopefully some combination of the above will get you what you need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
From a logger perspective there is no clear answer, but there are a number of tools to get off the data set. Logger data sets are of the form HLQ.lsname.suffix and there are staging data sets and offload data sets. To get off of staging data sets you can change the duplex method for the log streams to stg_duplex=NO and that will get off the data set, and then change it back and it can re-allocate a staging data set on the new dasd. You'll have to go through a user managed rebuild after each duplex change for the change to take effect. For offload data set logger keeps the most recently used offload data set for each log stream and on each system allocated. The data sets remain allocated until a new offload data set is needed because the previous one filled. This is a tricky condition to force. 1) you can force an offload with the samplib proc OFFLDS. S IXGOFLDS,LOGSTRM=lsname This is a relativley risk free option, but if there is not enough log data in primary storage, it may not cause a new data set allocation to get off the current. 2) D logger,c,lsn=lsname,d -- This will show you the jobs that are using the log stream, You can find then use the recommended method to quiesce these applications. 3) Many but not all logger applications will automatically reconnect if they are disconnected. You can do a SETLOGR FORCE,DISC,LSName=x to disconnect from the logstream on a system, you might have to do this from multiple systems and multiple log streams to relieve all data sets used in a volume. Disconnecting should cause the data sets to be unallocated. However if applications don't like being disconected they may have to be restarted. You'll have to investigate each logger exploiters behavior to see how they tolerate these conditions and hopefully some combination of the above will get you what you need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
Or FDRPAS? And you can license both products to move a specific amount of TBs. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 03:39 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Do you have TDMF? Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darby, Jim Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Have a DASD box that is being retired and I have some volumes on it that have datasets allocated to the sysplex logger task. I need some way of removing the dataset from the logger task to I can DFDSS volume copy the devices to the replacement box keeping the dataset and volser the same. Any ideas on how to get logger to give up the datasets for a short period? Thanks. Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
Hi, TDMF is the best i would suggest as it handles ENQ very well. We replaced EMC box with DS8800 last year , used TDMF and moved even couple and page volumes successfully . Regards, Baby On 6/21/13, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: Or FDRPAS? And you can license both products to move a specific amount of TBs. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 03:39 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Do you have TDMF? Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darby, Jim Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Have a DASD box that is being retired and I have some volumes on it that have datasets allocated to the sysplex logger task. I need some way of removing the dataset from the logger task to I can DFDSS volume copy the devices to the replacement box keeping the dataset and volser the same. Any ideas on how to get logger to give up the datasets for a short period? Thanks. Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
TDMF and FDRPAS are equal in moving data reliably. When we moved our ESSs to DS8800, we got no recommendation that favored one over the other. You don't move data and handle their ENQs rather good or not so good, you only do it good of bad. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of baby eklavya Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 08:57 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Hi, TDMF is the best i would suggest as it handles ENQ very well. We replaced EMC box with DS8800 last year , used TDMF and moved even couple and page volumes successfully . Regards, Baby On 6/21/13, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: Or FDRPAS? And you can license both products to move a specific amount of TBs. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 03:39 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Do you have TDMF? Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darby, Jim Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Have a DASD box that is being retired and I have some volumes on it that have datasets allocated to the sysplex logger task. I need some way of removing the dataset from the logger task to I can DFDSS volume copy the devices to the replacement box keeping the dataset and volser the same. Any ideas on how to get logger to give up the datasets for a short period? Thanks. Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
may be you are right . I never worked on FDRPAS and doesn't know much abt it . I felt TDMF was pretty simple and easy to use . Thanks ! Regards, Baby On 6/21/13, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: TDMF and FDRPAS are equal in moving data reliably. When we moved our ESSs to DS8800, we got no recommendation that favored one over the other. You don't move data and handle their ENQs rather good or not so good, you only do it good of bad. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of baby eklavya Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 08:57 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Hi, TDMF is the best i would suggest as it handles ENQ very well. We replaced EMC box with DS8800 last year , used TDMF and moved even couple and page volumes successfully . Regards, Baby On 6/21/13, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: Or FDRPAS? And you can license both products to move a specific amount of TBs. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 03:39 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Do you have TDMF? Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darby, Jim Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Have a DASD box that is being retired and I have some volumes on it that have datasets allocated to the sysplex logger task. I need some way of removing the dataset from the logger task to I can DFDSS volume copy the devices to the replacement box keeping the dataset and volser the same. Any ideas on how to get logger to give up the datasets for a short period? Thanks. Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For
Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
No we don't have either TDMF or FDRPAS. I've moved most of the array by doing full volume copies durring down time, but I've got a few left that are allocated to some basic system stuff. Thanks for the suggestions. Jim -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of baby eklavya Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 2:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them may be you are right . I never worked on FDRPAS and doesn't know much abt it . I felt TDMF was pretty simple and easy to use . Thanks ! Regards, Baby On 6/21/13, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: TDMF and FDRPAS are equal in moving data reliably. When we moved our ESSs to DS8800, we got no recommendation that favored one over the other. You don't move data and handle their ENQs rather good or not so good, you only do it good of bad. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of baby eklavya Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 08:57 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Hi, TDMF is the best i would suggest as it handles ENQ very well. We replaced EMC box with DS8800 last year , used TDMF and moved even couple and page volumes successfully . Regards, Baby On 6/21/13, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: Or FDRPAS? And you can license both products to move a specific amount of TBs. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 03:39 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Do you have TDMF? Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darby, Jim Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Have a DASD box that is being retired and I have some volumes on it that have datasets allocated to the sysplex logger task. I need some way of removing the dataset from the logger task to I can DFDSS volume copy the devices to the replacement box keeping the dataset and volser the same. Any ideas on how to get logger to give up the datasets for a short period? Thanks. Jim - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message.
Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
Have a DASD box that is being retired and I have some volumes on it that have datasets allocated to the sysplex logger task. I need some way of removing the dataset from the logger task to I can DFDSS volume copy the devices to the replacement box keeping the dataset and volser the same. Any ideas on how to get logger to give up the datasets for a short period? Thanks. Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
Yes, stop what is using them: D LOGGER,CONN,LSN=*,D Regards, Leonardo Vaz -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darby, Jim Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Have a DASD box that is being retired and I have some volumes on it that have datasets allocated to the sysplex logger task. I need some way of removing the dataset from the logger task to I can DFDSS volume copy the devices to the replacement box keeping the dataset and volser the same. Any ideas on how to get logger to give up the datasets for a short period? Thanks. Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them
Do you have TDMF? Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darby, Jim Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Need to move some DASD volumes that have system logger datasets on them Have a DASD box that is being retired and I have some volumes on it that have datasets allocated to the sysplex logger task. I need some way of removing the dataset from the logger task to I can DFDSS volume copy the devices to the replacement box keeping the dataset and volser the same. Any ideas on how to get logger to give up the datasets for a short period? Thanks. Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
