Re: Last time we went to Dallas

2005-11-19 Thread Eliot Lear

Yep.  No good dead ever goes unpunished.

Eliot

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Re: [Fwd: Requirements for Open IESG Positions]

2005-11-19 Thread Alexey Melnikov

Ralph Droms wrote:


The Applications Area most often intersects with, and sometimes swaps
working groups or work items with, the Security Area (for
application-level security, or applications where security is an
important aspect) and the Transport Area (for issues with congestion
in applications), so cross-area expertise in either of these areas
would be particularly useful.

Presumably requirements for different areas should be symmetrical: RAI 
and Transport both intersect with Application Area, so Application 
should mentioned RAI as well.




 




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Re: Last time we went to Dallas

2005-11-19 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 01:53, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
 A number of folks had nailed up PPP connections from their hotel rooms
 to Sweden, Japan, Germany, you name it.

It seems fitting that 30 IETF's after the host was kind enough to
provide free IP over voice, a different host provided free Voice over
IP.

- Bill


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Re: Last time we went to Dallas

2005-11-19 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:53:39PM -0800, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
 
 Ten years ago, MCI hosted the IETF in Dallas. Someone thought it would
 be a nice idea to give every attendee an MCI card that would be good for
 free calls to anywhere in the world during the IETF week.
 
 Of course, the IETF community being what it is, a number of people decided
 that free calls anywhere was a concept that needed to be tested, fully.

As I recall, various parts of community interested in security and
privacy were swapping cards around to scramble any attempts by MCI
personnel to learn anything about which phone numbers we were calling.
This was before the days when companies made a regular practice of
providing a privacy statement and at least making a public commitment
to honor it (while the back office people would keep a few thousand
credit card numbers for testing purposes, natch).  

 By Tuesday afternoon the hotel switchboard was overloaded and
 hastily-created signs began appearing in the hallways, elevators and
 elsewhere saying something to the effect of please disconnect your
 permanent connections... 

The switchboard was overloaded not because of the permanent
connections.  Tthere were only a few people doing this, but they were
costing MCI $$$ because the international calls resulted in real
dollars being spent on international circuits, as opposed to just
utilizing otherwise unused circuits on their domestic network.
Although it was somewhat amusing to learn that at least one employee
of one of MCI's competitors was keeping permanent connections to
places like Sweeden on MCI's nickle

Rather, the hotel had a certain number of (voice) T-1 lines dedicated
for ATT, SPRINT, and MCI long-distance traffic, and with the MCI
cards, it meant that everyone was overloading the outbound MCI trunks
while keeping the other trunks unutilized.  The hotel eventually
reconfigured their outbound trunks, but it was also really annoying
for the hotel because the only thing that has a higher profit margin
is alcohol, and so not only did it cost them money and extra headaches
for the hotel telecom manager (with whom I had a chance to chat at the
end of the conference as I helped the host team with the terminal room
tear down), but the hotel also lost a substantial amount of income
that they normally would have counted upon when hosting a group of our
size.  Oops.

 Note to Nokia: Although we'd love a free cellphone and a SIM card for the 
 week, you might want to consider the consequences...

Heh.  Well, there is always the Nokia 770

- Ted

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