Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
* Crossbow - Network Virtualization and Resource Management * Volo - Low Latency Socket Framework * Labeled branded zones * Event-based cpu power management + deep C state support for newer processors * Fast reboot feature * Fast clean shutdown/restart * asprintf/vasprintf (for devs...) * A lot of new hardware supported (wireless, 10gbit, etc..), including contributed drivers for L1/L2 thanks to Masa Murayama http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ * New ksh93, zsh, gnome, pidgin, etc.. + lots of new packages * iSCSI boot support * Working sdcard reader on Lenovo notebooks (didn't work in 2008.11) * Xorg 1.5.3 * One cd with all the localizations (thanks to LZMA support in lofi) * Improved livecd boot/install improvements (thanks to Jurgen) Hopefully some of that will prove useful :) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
On 19 Apr 2009, at 22:25, Glynn Foster wrote: Hey all, I'm starting to pull together the What's New in 2009.06 guide. I'll be looking through the list of new packages in David's release notes, along with Cyril's excellent blog which details the changes going into Nevada. If you have any ideas of what should be covered, send them through - here's your chance to get involved! Time-slider: now allows manual creation and deletion of snapshots. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.ben...@sun.comOpenSolaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
[indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
Hi! Something strange just happened to me today. I was having network problems... So I did pfexec svcadm disable nwam ... and then, I decided to reboot my machine before renabling it... Well... it never finished booting to the GDM. Without NWAM (and not setting to physical), the system doesn't reach the GDM launch... and logging on the console with my username and password results in no home directory. Enabling NWAM again and GDM starts... Bug? Gilles. -- *Gilles Gravier, CISSP *Government Industry Solutions Architect mailto:gilles.grav...@sun.com Voice : +41 (22) 999 9051 Mobile : +41 (79) 472 8437 Fax : +41 (860) 79 472 8437 E-mail : gilles.grav...@sun.com mailto:gilles.grav...@sun.com *Sun Microsystems* 12 route des Avouillons CH-1196 Gland Switzerland http://www.sun.com/opensource/ SunIM : ggrav...@sun.com http://im-amer.sun.com/ ICQ : 77488526 http://www.icq.com/whitepages/about_me.php?Uin=77488526 AIM : gillesgravier aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier Y! : ggravier http://profiles.yahoo.com/ggravier Jabber : ggrav...@jabber.org/Gaim http://www.jabber.org/ Skype : ggravier callto://ggravier MSN : gil...@gravier.org http://members.msn.com/gil...@gravier.org Google : gilles.grav...@gmail.com mailto://gilles.grav...@gmail.com Sent from a laptop running OpenSolaris 2008.11 snv_111 http://www.opensolaris.org/ using Mozilla Thunderbird http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ (v2.0.0.21) ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] problem with mirrored disk
Hi Seymour, Which OpenSolaris release is this? I'm unclear of the root cause and because I don't know if you did this step but because you are adding the second root pool disk manually, you need to add a block block, like this: x86# installgrub /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 /dev/rdsk/c6d0s0 I'm asking about the OpenSolaris release because I see a bug that is similar to these messages, but was fixed in build 106. Thanks, Cindy Seymour Krebs wrote: Two identical disks have identical partition tables: Current partition table (original): Total disk cylinders available: 30398 + 2 (reserved cylinders) Part TagFlag Cylinders SizeBlocks 0 rootwm 262 - 30397 230.85GB(30136/0/0) 484134840 1 swapwu 1 - 2612.00GB(261/0/0) 4192965 2 backupwu 0 - 30397 232.86GB(30398/0/0) 488343870 3 unassignedwm 00 (0/0/0) 0 4 unassignedwm 00 (0/0/0) 0 5 unassignedwm 00 (0/0/0) 0 6 unassignedwm 00 (0/0/0) 0 7 unassignedwm 00 (0/0/0) 0 8 bootwu 0 - 07.84MB(1/0/0) 16065 9 unassignedwm 00 (0/0/0) 0 the single primary disk boots, etc. when the second disk is added to the pool: ~# zpool attach rpool c7d0s0 c6d0s0 invalid vdev specification use '-f' to override the following errors: /dev/dsk/c6d0s0 overlaps with /dev/dsk/c6d0s2 when -f is added the second disk then resilvers and everything seems fine until a reboot occurs. Upon reboot, the original mirror member goes into grub2 menu, boots to build 110 of x64 Opensolaris, then refuses to continue an repeatedly throws errors concerning the second disk errors 0x03 and 0x07. Attempting to boot from the second disk give s a couple of very quick zio_read_data failed and drops to Grub. the second disk has been reformatted and tested and appears to be fine hardware-wise, so does the controller. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Otherwise I may have to back up and try reinstalling. ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
Gilles Gravier wrote: Hi! Something strange just happened to me today. I was having network problems... So I did pfexec svcadm disable nwam ... and then, I decided to reboot my machine before renabling it... Well... it never finished booting to the GDM. Without NWAM (and not setting to physical), the system doesn't reach the GDM launch... and logging on the console with my username and password results in no home directory. Enabling NWAM again and GDM starts... Bug? No, because the dependency graph for milestone/network requires one of the instances of network/physical to be online, and milestone/network in turn has many dependents. Enable either network/physical:nwam or network/physical:default (the latter is effectively a no-op if there are no /etc/hostname.* files). Dave ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
Hi, Dave! Dave Miner wrote: Gilles Gravier wrote: Hi! Something strange just happened to me today. I was having network problems... So I did pfexec svcadm disable nwam ... and then, I decided to reboot my machine before renabling it... Well... it never finished booting to the GDM. Without NWAM (and not setting to physical), the system doesn't reach the GDM launch... and logging on the console with my username and password results in no home directory. Enabling NWAM again and GDM starts... Bug? No, because the dependency graph for milestone/network requires one of the instances of network/physical to be online, and milestone/network in turn has many dependents. Enable either network/physical:nwam or network/physical:default (the latter is effectively a no-op if there are no /etc/hostname.* files). Yes, I figured as much. But this means that you can't run open solaris with networking turned off or (through some strange occurence) disabled. That's a very bad single point of failure. Gilles. -- *Gilles Gravier, CISSP *Government Industry Solutions Architect mailto:gilles.grav...@sun.com Voice : +41 (22) 999 9051 Mobile : +41 (79) 472 8437 Fax : +41 (860) 79 472 8437 E-mail : gilles.grav...@sun.com mailto:gilles.grav...@sun.com *Sun Microsystems* 12 route des Avouillons CH-1196 Gland Switzerland http://www.sun.com/opensource/ SunIM : ggrav...@sun.com http://im-amer.sun.com/ ICQ : 77488526 http://www.icq.com/whitepages/about_me.php?Uin=77488526 AIM : gillesgravier aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier Y! : ggravier http://profiles.yahoo.com/ggravier Jabber : ggrav...@jabber.org/Gaim http://www.jabber.org/ Skype : ggravier callto://ggravier MSN : gil...@gravier.org http://members.msn.com/gil...@gravier.org Google : gilles.grav...@gmail.com mailto://gilles.grav...@gmail.com Sent from a laptop running OpenSolaris 2008.11 snv_111 http://www.opensolaris.org/ using Mozilla Thunderbird http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ (v2.0.0.21) ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
Gilles Gravier wrote: No, because the dependency graph for milestone/network requires one of the instances of network/physical to be online, and milestone/network in turn has many dependents. Enable either network/physical:nwam or network/physical:default (the latter is effectively a no-op if there are no /etc/hostname.* files). Yes, I figured as much. But this means that you can't run open solaris with networking turned off or (through some strange occurence) disabled. That's a very bad single point of failure. Just enable physical and move /etc/hostname.* out of the way? although that does seem like the old-fashioned way to do it :) cheers, c. ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 17:38 +0200, Gilles Gravier wrote: Dave Miner wrote: No, because the dependency graph for milestone/network requires one of the instances of network/physical to be online, and milestone/network in turn has many dependents. Enable either network/physical:nwam or network/physical:default (the latter is effectively a no-op if there are no /etc/hostname.* files). Yes, I figured as much. But this means that you can't run open solaris with networking turned off or (through some strange occurence) disabled. That's a very bad single point of failure. Perhaps NWAM Phase 1 addresses this by allowing a profile with no network interfaces... -Seb ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
Glynn, Add some more info on CUPS, printer support, and the new Nvidia 180.xx driver support for Nvidia Quadro 5800 video support. I can also think of Codeina, multimedia codec support, and Compiz features. A few other things are out-of-the-box ATI Radeon 48xx support (which I've reported on xwin-discuss). Supported languages, keyboard and desktop/CLI, are also good to mention. ~ Ken -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
Glynn: elisa is an exciting new media application. Might want to highlight that since it uses OpenGL, it doesn't work on systems that don't support OpenGL (much like compiz). codeina is a new feature, which makes it easier for users to access popular multimedia codecs such as MPEG-2, MPEG-4, WindowsMedia, MP3 audio, etc. from Fluendo. Addition of hamster, gftp, and lynx. Also, what about system-config-printer? I'm not sure of the details, but might be good to ask Ghee about that. Do we support new versions of Python? If so, that might be worth a mention. Isn't this release also the first release that SRSS will run on? Might be worth a mention. Brian On 04/19/09 16:25, Glynn Foster wrote: Hey all, I'm starting to pull together the What's New in 2009.06 guide. I'll be looking through the list of new packages in David's release notes, along with Cyril's excellent blog which details the changes going into Nevada. If you have any ideas of what should be covered, send them through - here's your chance to get involved! Usually in the past I've tried to focus as much as possible on user visible features rather than obscure additions to command lines or similar http://www.opensolaris.com/learn/features/whats-new/200811/ The new document will likely take the form of the existing one. thanks, Glynn ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:26:49 PDT Ken Mays maybird1...@yahoo.com wrote: Add some more info on CUPS, printer support, and the new Nvidia 180.xx driver support for Nvidia Quadro 5800 video support. I can also think of Codeina, multimedia codec support, and Compiz features. Talking about multimedia support: hopefully the firefox multimedia totem plugins will be in the new release. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | nevada / opensolaris + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
On 04/20/09 17:26, Ken Mays wrote: Glynn, Add some more info on CUPS, printer support, more precisely, newer version of CUPS and also CUPS print manager (or system-config-printer) http://blogs.sun.com/gheet/entry/cups_print_manager_in_build Thanks Ken. -Ghee and the new Nvidia 180.xx driver support for Nvidia Quadro 5800 video support. I can also think of Codeina, multimedia codec support, and Compiz features. A few other things are out-of-the-box ATI Radeon 48xx support (which I've reported on xwin-discuss). Supported languages, keyboard and desktop/CLI, are also good to mention. ~ Ken ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
[indiana-discuss] Where's 112
I keep seeing references in various posts on the osol lists saying someone has updated to build 112. I don't see it in dev, so where are these updates located? ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Where's 112
rea...@newsguy.com wrote: I keep seeing references in various posts on the osol lists saying someone has updated to build 112. I don't see it in dev, so where are these updates located? It is not available yet; build 111 is currently the focus in anticipation of 2009.06. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
[indiana-discuss] Oracle buy SUN. The end of OpenSolaris?
Will it be possible to develop / support OpenSolaris any further now SUN's been bought by Oracle? I surely hope this OS will survive. But what are the chances? -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | nevada / opensolaris + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
I wouldn't even recommend using extra at all, it still ships a flash plugin with a critical security vulnerability, apparently nobody cares (yes, a bug has been filed quite a while ago...) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
yep.. so you wouldnt use opensolaris at all! they dont update /release with sec fix' On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lurie y...@gmx.co.uk wrote: I wouldn't even recommend using extra at all, it still ships a flash plugin with a critical security vulnerability, apparently nobody cares (yes, a bug has been filed quite a while ago...) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss -- Andy http://blog.sartek.net ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Oracle buy SUN. The end of OpenSolaris?
On 4/20/2009 12:41 PM, dick hoogendijk wrote: Will it be possible to develop / support OpenSolaris any further now SUN's been bought by Oracle? I surely hope this OS will survive. But what are the chances? They didn't kill Sleepycat's software even though it's not copyleft, so it could continue, though the innovation drive is to be less as a result. I can see them supporting it for 2 years or more, depending on how current Sun CEO's and those to manage (Open)Solaris in the future can prove its important to mainline Solaris and PR. Java won't go anywhere, but I expect SPARC to get canned since Oracle has no hardware experience. It wouldn't surprise me if Oracle cut 16,000 of Sun's remaining employees loose YTD. - James ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
Lurie wrote: I wouldn't even recommend using extra at all, it still ships a flash plugin with a critical security vulnerability, apparently nobody cares (yes, a bug has been filed quite a while ago...) People care, but the necessary resources haven't been available to update it yet. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
Andras Barna wrote: yep.. so you wouldnt use opensolaris at all! they dont update /release with sec fix' The logistical and technological processes needed to update /release with fixes, etc. has not yet been developed. Nor has what updates will be placed there yet been determined. Thanks for bearing with us as this gets worked out. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:00:27PM -0400, Sebastien Roy wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 17:38 +0200, Gilles Gravier wrote: Dave Miner wrote: No, because the dependency graph for milestone/network requires one of the instances of network/physical to be online, and milestone/network in turn has many dependents. Enable either network/physical:nwam or network/physical:default (the latter is effectively a no-op if there are no /etc/hostname.* files). Yes, I figured as much. But this means that you can't run open solaris with networking turned off or (through some strange occurence) disabled. That's a very bad single point of failure. Perhaps NWAM Phase 1 addresses this by allowing a profile with no network interfaces... That's an interesting idea. It's not something we explicitly set out to make possible, but I think you probably could do it. You would need to make an NCP (network configuration profile) with all the components (links and interfaces) having manual activation, and disable all of them. -renee ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
Hi! Renee Danson wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:00:27PM -0400, Sebastien Roy wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 17:38 +0200, Gilles Gravier wrote: Dave Miner wrote: No, because the dependency graph for milestone/network requires one of the instances of network/physical to be online, and milestone/network in turn has many dependents. Enable either network/physical:nwam or network/physical:default (the latter is effectively a no-op if there are no /etc/hostname.* files). Yes, I figured as much. But this means that you can't run open solaris with networking turned off or (through some strange occurence) disabled. That's a very bad single point of failure. Perhaps NWAM Phase 1 addresses this by allowing a profile with no network interfaces... That's an interesting idea. It's not something we explicitly set out to make possible, but I think you probably could do it. You would need to make an NCP (network configuration profile) with all the components (links and interfaces) having manual activation, and disable all of them. I think it's important to support configurations where user (for reasons that may be their own) want to completely remove networking. Furthermore, just turning off one service that apparently isn't directly linked to GDM should not block GDM from running... at least NOT without some clear warning of what is happening or about to happen. Gilles. -- *Gilles Gravier, CISSP *Global Government Industry Solutions Architect mailto:gilles.grav...@sun.com Voice : +41 (22) 999 9051 Mobile : +41 (79) 472 8437 Fax : +41 (860) 79 472 8437 E-mail : gilles.grav...@sun.com mailto:gilles.grav...@sun.com *Sun Microsystems* 12 route des Avouillons CH-1196 Gland Switzerland http://www.sun.com/security/ SunIM : ggrav...@sun.com http://im-amer.sun.com/ ICQ : 77488526 http://www.icq.com/whitepages/about_me.php?Uin=77488526 AIM : gillesgravier aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier Y! : ggravier http://profiles.yahoo.com/ggravier Jabber : ggrav...@jabber.org/Gaim http://www.jabber.org/ Skype : ggravier callto://ggravier MSN : gil...@gravier.org http://members.msn.com/gil...@gravier.org Google : gil...@gravier.org mailto:mailto:gil...@gravier.org This mail was sent through Sun EdgeMail using Mozilla Thunderbird http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:38:40 +0200 Gilles Gravier gilles.grav...@sun.com wrote: Furthermore, just turning off one service that apparently isn't directly linked to GDM should not block GDM from running... at least NOT without some clear warning of what is happening or about to happen. I always still are surprised to see my OpenSolaris/nevada desktop machines become unusable if I do some system maintainance (init S) on the server. The desktops use the DNS service running on them. I think *network only* should not be possible then. Not the freeze of a complete desktop. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | nevada / opensolaris + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
Guido Berhoerster wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: The logistical and technological processes needed to update /release with fixes, etc. has not yet been developed. Nor has what updates will be placed there yet been determined. Thanks for bearing with us as this gets worked out. Can you share with us what you know regarding the maintenance of the /release branch? Is the statement from the support FAQ that security and device driver fixes will be made available for free still valid, will this definitely be provided at some point in the future? As I mentioned before, what exactly can and will be provided is still being decided. IMO the /release branch is currently such a bad shape that the numerous vulnerabilities (Firefox, OpenSSL, BIND, NFS from the top of my head) forbid any serious use of it. There are a number of people working on finalising the processes needed to create a sustaining tail for OpenSolaris releases. The right individuals are well aware of the undesirable aspects of the current /release repository and are working to resolve them as best as they can. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 20:38 +0200, Gilles Gravier wrote: I think it's important to support configurations where user (for reasons that may be their own) want to completely remove networking. This currently works with network/physical:default by simply not creating any hostname.intf files and placing /etc/nsswitch.files at /etc/nsswitch.conf. From what Renee describes, it sounds like the equivalent could be done with NWAM as well. Furthermore, just turning off one service that apparently isn't directly linked to GDM should not block GDM from running... at least NOT without some clear warning of what is happening or about to happen. This much isn't related to NWAM, but I agree that there's something amiss here. The indirect dependencies between network/physical (default or nwam, it doesn't matter) and graphical-login/gdm should be looked at, as there's indeed no obvious logical relationship between a graphical login screen and networking configuration. Perhaps a bug should be filed. -Seb ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
yep.. so you wouldnt use opensolaris at all! they dont update /release with sec fix' good thing I'm using /dev then, eh ? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Disabling NWAN and you can't boot... :(
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 20:47 +0200, dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:38:40 +0200 Gilles Gravier gilles.grav...@sun.com wrote: Furthermore, just turning off one service that apparently isn't directly linked to GDM should not block GDM from running... at least NOT without some clear warning of what is happening or about to happen. I always still are surprised to see my OpenSolaris/nevada desktop machines become unusable if I do some system maintainance (init S) on the server. The desktops use the DNS service running on them. I think *network only* should not be possible then. Not the freeze of a complete desktop. Interesting; the desktops I manage use DNS and NIS, yet I've never experienced any system-wide hangs due to name servers going down. I think that part of the responsibility for this lies with the administrator, and part of it lies in the design of the system. There are certainly ways to configure a system with fragile dependencies on naming. For example, having something like this in nsswitch.conf: hosts: dns files or hosts: nis files These things don't make sense. If the name server is unreachable, applications that (erroneously or not) depend on resolving the local hostname will hang. Yet, the default nsswitch.nis file that ships with the system has this problem (see CR 6465090 default nsswitch.nis file is not grounded in reality). This is as fragile as, say, putting NFS mounts in $PATH and expecting the shell to keep working when an NFS server is unreachable. Anyway, if you know of areas that could obviously be improved, then please file bugs. -Seb ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Oracle buy SUN. The end of OpenSolaris?
dick hoogendijk wrote: Will it be possible to develop / support OpenSolaris any further now SUN's been bought by Oracle? I surely hope this OS will survive. But what are the chances? I highly doubt that anyone who uses and reads this mailing list on a daily basis has any info that could correctly answer this question. I would imagine that many Sun engineers were just as shocked as me when they heard the news, and it will probably be a while before a plan for Opensolaris' future is made public. Tom ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Oracle buy SUN. The end of OpenSolaris?
On Apr 20, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Tom Georgoulias wrote: dick hoogendijk wrote: Will it be possible to develop / support OpenSolaris any further now SUN's been bought by Oracle? I surely hope this OS will survive. But what are the chances? I highly doubt that anyone who uses and reads this mailing list on a daily basis has any info that could correctly answer this question. I would imagine that many Sun engineers were just as shocked as me when they heard the news, and it will probably be a while before a plan for Opensolaris' future is made public. Some indications are here: http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/2009-0420/sun_oracle_presentation.pdf ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
Hey Glynn. In addition to what everyone else has already said: 1. I'd definitely highlight Elisa and Codeina as Brian suggested. I've got a primary OpenSolaris media center and a secondary OpenSolaris box doing many media centery things. Both JustWork(tm) -- and work far better than similar/competing solutions IMHO. Thanks to these boxes, I've completely canceled my cable TV service. :-) 2. I'd definitely highlight the time-slider/snapshot features mentioned by Calum: Time-slider: now allows manual creation and deletion of snapshots. The Nautilus integration (in particular, being able to right-click on any item to take a snapshot and explore versions of existing snapshots) is awesome. 3. I didn't see any mention of all the changes made by the pkg team. If I missed someone's message highlighting these already, my apologies. But improvements in this area have been considerable IMHO. In particular: a. Significantly more performant -- both loading and searching. b. Ability to search across multiple repositories. c. Ability to name and rename Boot Environments (i.e. via GUI). I *think* deleting BE's via packagemanager is also new to the upcoming release. d. Web Install. e. A number of additional usability and accessibility enhancements. (Thanks Padraig, Michal, and John!) 4. Wireless networking for me now works like a charm and without any effort on my part. While I'm starting to lose track, I *believe* the rum drivers were (officially) added to OpenSolaris post 2008.11 (I want to say build 105). Also the reliability of wireless networking seems to have increased significantly (especially for the rum and ath drivers). HTH. Take care. --joanie On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:25 +1200, Glynn Foster wrote: Hey all, I'm starting to pull together the What's New in 2009.06 guide. I'll be looking through the list of new packages in David's release notes, along with Cyril's excellent blog which details the changes going into Nevada. If you have any ideas of what should be covered, send them through - here's your chance to get involved! Usually in the past I've tried to focus as much as possible on user visible features rather than obscure additions to command lines or similar http://www.opensolaris.com/learn/features/whats-new/200811/ The new document will likely take the form of the existing one. thanks, Glynn ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
On 20/04/2009, at 7:23 PM, Lurie wrote: * Crossbow - Network Virtualization and Resource Management * Volo - Low Latency Socket Framework * Labeled branded zones * Event-based cpu power management + deep C state support for newer processors * Fast reboot feature We had Fast Reboot for 2008.11 - though now enabled by default I think. * Fast clean shutdown/restart * asprintf/vasprintf (for devs...) * A lot of new hardware supported (wireless, 10gbit, etc..), including contributed drivers for L1/L2 thanks to Masa Murayama http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ * New ksh93, zsh, gnome, pidgin, etc.. + lots of new packages The GNOME version hasn't really changed, unless you count the micro changes picked up from the community (though a little less exciting). * iSCSI boot support * Working sdcard reader on Lenovo notebooks (didn't work in 2008.11) * Xorg 1.5.3 * One cd with all the localizations (thanks to LZMA support in lofi) * Improved livecd boot/install improvements (thanks to Jurgen) Hopefully some of that will prove useful :) Yes, thank you! Some were already on my list, but nice to see what people are interested in :) Glynn ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
On 20/04/2009, at 10:59 PM, Calum Benson wrote: On 19 Apr 2009, at 22:25, Glynn Foster wrote: Hey all, I'm starting to pull together the What's New in 2009.06 guide. I'll be looking through the list of new packages in David's release notes, along with Cyril's excellent blog which details the changes going into Nevada. If you have any ideas of what should be covered, send them through - here's your chance to get involved! Time-slider: now allows manual creation and deletion of snapshots. FWIW, not sure I like the idea of presenting a GUI to easily delete the install snapshot - perhaps we should be filtering this from the list of snapshots presented in Time-slider? Glynn ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
On 21/04/2009, at 4:26 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: Glynn: elisa is an exciting new media application. Might want to highlight that since it uses OpenGL, it doesn't work on systems that don't support OpenGL (much like compiz). Exciting until it somehow does a server grab and you can't get out of a black screen, but definitely something I wanted to include :) codeina is a new feature, which makes it easier for users to access popular multimedia codecs such as MPEG-2, MPEG-4, WindowsMedia, MP3 audio, etc. from Fluendo. Agreed. Addition of hamster, gftp, and lynx. Also, what about system-config-printer? I'm not sure of the details, but might be good to ask Ghee about that. Was thinking hamster was kinda nicely user oriented - though a little unsure about gftp and lynx. Might use them for filler space if needed. Do we support new versions of Python? If so, that might be worth a mention. Yes, the introduction of Python 2.6 is definitely noteworthy. Isn't this release also the first release that SRSS will run on? Might be worth a mention. Certainly sounds like we've got the majority of the packages available to make that possible - however, I don't believe SRSS is currently in a package repository yet, right? Glynn ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
On 21/04/2009, at 4:35 AM, dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:26:49 PDT Ken Mays maybird1...@yahoo.com wrote: Add some more info on CUPS, printer support, and the new Nvidia 180.xx driver support for Nvidia Quadro 5800 video support. I can also think of Codeina, multimedia codec support, and Compiz features. Talking about multimedia support: hopefully the firefox multimedia totem plugins will be in the new release. If that's libtotem-basic-plugin.so then yes ;) (and certainly looks like the Ogg/Theora plugins for Firefox seem to be working well). Glynn ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Where's 112
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Shawn Walker swal...@opensolaris.org wrote: It is not available yet; build 111 is currently the focus in anticipation of 2009.06. Is there a list (or at least a draft) of what post-111 bugfix will be included in the respin or final 2009.06? Bug 6806627 which affects lofi mounts seems to be important enough. I'd also like to see proper vlan support for xVM make its way to 2009.06, but it seems unlikely. Regards, Fajar ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] Where's 112
Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Shawn Walker swal...@opensolaris.org wrote: It is not available yet; build 111 is currently the focus in anticipation of 2009.06. Is there a list (or at least a draft) of what post-111 bugfix will be included in the respin or final 2009.06? If there is, I don't know where. Hopefully a project member can comment. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] emacs
Dick Hoogendijk d...@nagual.nl writes: Joanmarie Diggs wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 15:28 -0700, Mike Kupfer wrote: Dick == Dick Hoogendijk d...@nagual.nl writes: Dick GTK-toolkit? Xaw-toolkit? What's the difference? Or do I just Dick install all emacs pkgs? I'd just install either the GTK or the Xaw version. The GTK version should give you better integration with the GNOME desktop than the Xaw (Athena Widgets) version. Agreed. Unless you have any need/interest in the area of a11y support. In which case, I'd avoid the gtk version. What are the main (dis)advantages of the GTK / Xaw toolkit versions? I ask, because looking at the CBE version (the SFEemacs.spec) you have to specify --with-gdk to build with the GTK toolkit. So, default is Xaw, I guess. But why? I suspect it's mostly historical. GTK did not used to be as widely available as it is today. Using GTK on current emacs CVS allows antialiased fonts. It's also the default. The following is from the CVS emacs NEWS file: * Installation Changes in Emacs 23.1 ** The default X toolkit is now Gtk+, rather than Lucid. The configure option `--with-gtk' has been removed. Gtk is now the default toolkit, but you can use --with-x-toolkit=gtk if necessary. ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
Glynn Foster wrote: On 21/04/2009, at 4:26 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: Isn't this release also the first release that SRSS will run on? Might be worth a mention. Certainly sounds like we've got the majority of the packages available to make that possible - however, I don't believe SRSS is currently in a package repository yet, right? Right. It's premature to commit in advance of the SRSS release IMO. In fact, although it should work the current official position is that we'll only support it for a couple of select customers until the LTS release (2010.04?) since the target of SRSS is Enterprise servers. I believe LTS is old-speak, what's the new term for the long-cycle release? -Bob ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
For a web developer, OpenSolaris 2009.06 includes * Additional DTrace probes within PHP as well as MySQL 5.1 * version updates for Tomcat, Ruby, Apache and PHP. Also, MySQL 5.1 database is included as well. Component version informations - MySQL 5.1 , Apache 2.2.11 , PHP 5.2.9 - Ruby 1.8.7 - Tomcat 6.0 Hope this helps Sriram Lurie wrote: * Crossbow - Network Virtualization and Resource Management * Volo - Low Latency Socket Framework * Labeled branded zones * Event-based cpu power management + deep C state support for newer processors * Fast reboot feature * Fast clean shutdown/restart * asprintf/vasprintf (for devs...) * A lot of new hardware supported (wireless, 10gbit, etc..), including contributed drivers for L1/L2 thanks to Masa Murayama http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ * New ksh93, zsh, gnome, pidgin, etc.. + lots of new packages * iSCSI boot support * Working sdcard reader on Lenovo notebooks (didn't work in 2008.11) * Xorg 1.5.3 * One cd with all the localizations (thanks to LZMA support in lofi) * Improved livecd boot/install improvements (thanks to Jurgen) Hopefully some of that will prove useful :) ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
Re: [indiana-discuss] What's new in 2009.06? (submit your suggestions!)
On 21/04/2009, at 1:37 PM, Sriram Natarajan wrote: For a web developer, OpenSolaris 2009.06 includes * Additional DTrace probes within PHP as well as MySQL 5.1 * version updates for Tomcat, Ruby, Apache and PHP. Also, MySQL 5.1 database is included as well. Component version informations - MySQL 5.1 , Apache 2.2.11 , PHP 5.2.9 - Ruby 1.8.7 - Tomcat 6.0 Hope this helps That's certainly a good talking point, thanks Sriram! Glynn ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
