Re: [Jmol-developers] Customized application menu
On 12/03/2014 05:00 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Rolf Huehne wrote: >> Could the Java console also be opened like in the application? >> > > The Jmol applet console opens in a separate frame in front of the applet. > Do you mean the 'Jmol console' for entering commands or the 'Jmol Java console' for error messages? I meant the second one which I can't convince to appear with 'IcedTea Java' and the applet if the browser doesn't have an option to open it. > If there's much to change, that's certainly writing a new application. You > need a whole raft of additional files -- icons, button layouts, all sorts > of things. The top application menu is basically a text file that could be > read on demand. See > sourceforge.net/p/jmol/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/Jmol/src/org/openscience/jmol/app/jmolpanel/Properties/Jmol-resources.properties > > A good project for a volunteer, perhaps. Not I. > I guess I will have to be that volunteer, although I havn't done any Java programming yet. I am still on my way to figure out what will be necessary for my new project. Let's see how it develops... Regards, Rolf -- Rolf Huehne Postdoc Leibniz Institute for Age Research - Fritz Lipmann Institute (FLI) Beutenbergstrasse 11 07745 Jena, Germany Phone: +49 3641 65 6205 Fax: +49 3641 65 6210 E-Mail: rhue...@fli-leibniz.de Website: http://www.fli-leibniz.de Scientific Director: Prof. Dr. K. Lenhard Rudolph Head of Administration: Dr. Daniele Barthel Chairman of Board of Trustees: Dennys Klein VAT No: DE 153 925 464 Register of Associations: No. 230296, Amtsgericht Jena Tax Number: 162/141/08228 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
Re: [Jmol-developers] Customized application menu
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Rolf Huehne wrote: > On 12/03/2014 02:00 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > > [I prefer to refer to the Java application as "Jmol" still, not JSmol, > > please. That's too twisted for me!] > > > Bob, but wasn't it you who turned away from the separation at the > beginning into JSmol=Javascript and Jmol=Java to > JSmol=Javascript/Java/WebGL making everything to JSmol, logically also > including the application? > To avoid confusions I just have adapted to that and started to think of > Jmol as JSmol in general. > I make the distinction for the Java application still. > >> application main menu customizable on the fly (like the popup menu) and > >> ideally also the icon toolbar with customized icons? > >> > >> > > not possible. These are hard-coded > > > So to change anything in the toolbar or the main menu even only at > startup it would be necessary to build a seperate other application? > > well, or rewrite some code to load auxiliary files or something like that. > > > >> Since 'Java webstart' supposedly will be the only alternative to get the > >> Java version of JSmol running from the Web after (some of) the major > >> browsers have dropped the Java plugins, it would be helpful to have also > >> more control over the appearance and functionality of the application. > >> > > > > > > That's not entirely true. You can run the Jmol Java applet outside a > > browser. Just start the JNLP files in the java directory of the JSmol > > distribution. That's entirely outside any browser. > > > The applet would be fully functional except for stuff related to browser > communication? > right -- just no JavaScript buttons and such -- the frame itself only > > Could the Java console also be opened like in the application? > The Jmol applet console opens in a separate frame in front of the applet. > > > > > >> > >> Another use case for a customizable application would be if someone > >> (like me) would like to use the JSmol application with a different focus > >> than molecular structures or enhance for example the modelkit > >> functionality or the application functionality in general. > >> > >> > > I do think this is an interesting suggestion. What about the Macros menu? > > This seems to be under-utilized. > > > For enhancements this could be useful. But for shifting the focus it > would be necessary to get rid and/or rename some of the existing menu > entries or toolbar icons. > > If there's much to change, that's certainly writing a new application. You need a whole raft of additional files -- icons, button layouts, all sorts of things. The top application menu is basically a text file that could be read on demand. See sourceforge.net/p/jmol/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/Jmol/src/org/openscience/jmol/app/jmolpanel/Properties/Jmol-resources.properties A good project for a volunteer, perhaps. Not I. > Regards, > Rolf > -- > > Rolf Huehne > Postdoc > > Leibniz Institute for Age Research - Fritz Lipmann Institute (FLI) > Beutenbergstrasse 11 > 07745 Jena, Germany > > Phone: +49 3641 65 6205 > Fax: +49 3641 65 6210 > E-Mail: rhue...@fli-leibniz.de > Website: http://www.fli-leibniz.de > >Scientific Director: Prof. Dr. K. Lenhard Rudolph > Head of Administration: Dr. Daniele Barthel > Chairman of Board of Trustees: Dennys Klein > > VAT No: DE 153 925 464 > Register of Associations: No. 230296, Amtsgericht Jena > Tax Number: 162/141/08228 > > > > -- > Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server > from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards > with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more > Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Department of Chemistry St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Jmol-developers] Customized application menu
On 12/03/2014 02:00 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > [I prefer to refer to the Java application as "Jmol" still, not JSmol, > please. That's too twisted for me!] > Bob, but wasn't it you who turned away from the separation at the beginning into JSmol=Javascript and Jmol=Java to JSmol=Javascript/Java/WebGL making everything to JSmol, logically also including the application? To avoid confusions I just have adapted to that and started to think of Jmol as JSmol in general. > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Rolf Huehne wrote: > >> Hi developers, >> >> I would like to know if it would be possible to make the JSmol >> application main menu customizable on the fly (like the popup menu) and >> ideally also the icon toolbar with customized icons? >> >> > not possible. These are hard-coded > So to change anything in the toolbar or the main menu even only at startup it would be necessary to build a seperate other application? > >> Since 'Java webstart' supposedly will be the only alternative to get the >> Java version of JSmol running from the Web after (some of) the major >> browsers have dropped the Java plugins, it would be helpful to have also >> more control over the appearance and functionality of the application. >> > > > That's not entirely true. You can run the Jmol Java applet outside a > browser. Just start the JNLP files in the java directory of the JSmol > distribution. That's entirely outside any browser. > The applet would be fully functional except for stuff related to browser communication? Could the Java console also be opened like in the application? This would be important because it is very difficult to explain to users how to open it in their specific environment for troubleshooting. Having a simple general applicable method would be very good. Actually I don't even know myself how to open the Java console in my current Linux system with 'Iced Tea' Java except by using the Jmol menu, even though I tried hard to find a way. > > >> >> Another use case for a customizable application would be if someone >> (like me) would like to use the JSmol application with a different focus >> than molecular structures or enhance for example the modelkit >> functionality or the application functionality in general. >> >> > I do think this is an interesting suggestion. What about the Macros menu? > This seems to be under-utilized. > For enhancements this could be useful. But for shifting the focus it would be necessary to get rid and/or rename some of the existing menu entries or toolbar icons. Regards, Rolf -- Rolf Huehne Postdoc Leibniz Institute for Age Research - Fritz Lipmann Institute (FLI) Beutenbergstrasse 11 07745 Jena, Germany Phone: +49 3641 65 6205 Fax: +49 3641 65 6210 E-Mail: rhue...@fli-leibniz.de Website: http://www.fli-leibniz.de Scientific Director: Prof. Dr. K. Lenhard Rudolph Head of Administration: Dr. Daniele Barthel Chairman of Board of Trustees: Dennys Klein VAT No: DE 153 925 464 Register of Associations: No. 230296, Amtsgericht Jena Tax Number: 162/141/08228 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
Re: [Jmol-developers] Customized application menu
[I prefer to refer to the Java application as "Jmol" still, not JSmol, please. That's too twisted for me!] On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Rolf Huehne wrote: >Hi developers, > > I would like to know if it would be possible to make the JSmol > application main menu customizable on the fly (like the popup menu) and > ideally also the icon toolbar with customized icons? > > not possible. These are hard-coded > Since 'Java webstart' supposedly will be the only alternative to get the > Java version of JSmol running from the Web after (some of) the major > browsers have dropped the Java plugins, it would be helpful to have also > more control over the appearance and functionality of the application. > That's not entirely true. You can run the Jmol Java applet outside a browser. Just start the JNLP files in the java directory of the JSmol distribution. That's entirely outside any browser. > > Another use case for a customizable application would be if someone > (like me) would like to use the JSmol application with a different focus > than molecular structures or enhance for example the modelkit > functionality or the application functionality in general. > > I do think this is an interesting suggestion. What about the Macros menu? This seems to be under-utilized. Bob -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
[Jmol-developers] Customized application menu
Hi developers, I would like to know if it would be possible to make the JSmol application main menu customizable on the fly (like the popup menu) and ideally also the icon toolbar with customized icons? Since 'Java webstart' supposedly will be the only alternative to get the Java version of JSmol running from the Web after (some of) the major browsers have dropped the Java plugins, it would be helpful to have also more control over the appearance and functionality of the application. And since there is still a large performance difference between the Javascript and Java versions of JSmol (that will persist presumably longer than half a year) the Javascript version cannot fully replace the Java version (yet) if you have to deal for example with all available PDB structures. I am not sure how I could transfer most of the functionality of the 'Jena3D Viewer' into the JSmol application without an integrated browser engine, but I guess I might have to try at least to transfer some of the functionality. Another use case for a customizable application would be if someone (like me) would like to use the JSmol application with a different focus than molecular structures or enhance for example the modelkit functionality or the application functionality in general. Regards, Rolf -- Rolf Huehne Postdoc Leibniz Institute for Age Research - Fritz Lipmann Institute (FLI) Beutenbergstrasse 11 07745 Jena, Germany Phone: +49 3641 65 6205 Fax: +49 3641 65 6210 E-Mail: rhue...@fli-leibniz.de Website: http://www.fli-leibniz.de Scientific Director: Prof. Dr. K. Lenhard Rudolph Head of Administration: Dr. Daniele Barthel Chairman of Board of Trustees: Dennys Klein VAT No: DE 153 925 464 Register of Associations: No. 230296, Amtsgericht Jena Tax Number: 162/141/08228 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
