Re: What do you think of this jig?

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Wow!  That's plain ingenious. It or a close relative may hit the bucket 
list!
DanK

On Saturday, September 21, 2024 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4 Ed Trevillian wrote:

> Impressive.
> Ed Trevillian
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2024, 5:30 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> [image: Inline image]
>> As I see this. 35% angled jig, connected to the Legacy's headstock, would 
>> and could make some neat things like this jig/ photo are doing in this 
>> posting.  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> Here is the full article. 
>>
>>  
>> https://ok-wood.com.ua/forum/tools/18-izgotovlenie-dekorativnykh-detalej-s-naklonnymi-osyami-tocheniya.html
>> Manufacturing Decorative Parts with Inclined Turning Axes
>>
>>
>> To turn parts with inclined relief recesses and planes, use a fixture 
>> whose rotary axis is positioned at an angle to the spindle axis. Experience 
>> has shown that the most expressive profile is possessed by parts with a 
>> decorative element tilt of 50-60 degrees.
>>
>> Fig. 36.1 shows the general appearance and main dimensions of a fixture 
>> with a constant tilt of the rotary axis equal to 55 degrees. The fixture is 
>> attached to the spindle similarly to the fixture shown in Fig. 33. The main 
>> part of the fixture is a duralumin bracket, in the upper arm of which a 
>> through oblong hole is milled. The rotary axis passed through the hole can 
>> be secured in two positions: in the center of the fixture and with an 
>> offset from its central plane by 3 mm. In the position shown in the lower 
>> drawing, the center of the rotary axis passes through the spindle axis.
>>
>> The rotary axis with a tightly mounted duralumin disk is machined in the 
>> centers in accordance with the drawing and threads are cut at its ends 
>> (Fig. 36.2). 16 divisions are applied along the periphery of the disk, 
>> which are combined with a risk on the chamfer of the bracket end. The 
>> central or offset position of the axis is fixed with bolt M6.
>>
>> Rigid fastening of the axis in the bracket is carried out with the upper 
>> nut M10.
>>
>> To eliminate vibration, the device must be balanced. For this purpose, it 
>> is suspended on an edge passing through the axis of rotation. The 
>> counterweight is assembled from separate steel washers and, having achieved 
>> equilibrium, they are secured with bolt M6 (Fig. 36.3). The pre-machined 
>> workpiece on the mandrel is put on the rotary axis and secured with the 
>> lower nut M10.
>>
>> The part rotating together with the entire device can be machined from 
>> the front (Fig. 37.1) or side (Fig. 38.1) entry of the cutter.
>>
>> In order that the free end of the rotary axis does not touch the tool 
>> holder, the cutters fixed in it are installed with a significant overhang 
>> (Fig. 37.2). In this case, the shaped cutters made of thin plates are 
>> duplicated with a thick lining.
>>
>> With the front entry of the cutter, the part has a narrow cutting zone, 
>> but it is quite sufficient to make a profiled groove on the rotating part 
>> with the shaped cutter. Frontal machining of the part with the central or 
>> offset positions of the rotary axis in the bracket hole forms two 
>> completely different reliefs.
>>
>> If the rotary axis is installed in the center of the bracket (Fig. 
>> 37.3A), a circular recess is cut with a shaped cutter, and the profile 
>> obtained on the surface of the part will be symmetrical relative to the 
>> spindle rotation axis (Fig. 37.3B). The links of the cut relief are made up 
>> of two ridges of adjacent recesses. The part is processed only in the 
>> transverse direction, with a small and smooth feed of the cutter. After 
>> turning all 16 recesses, the surface of the product will acquire a finished 
>> diamond-shaped relief. Parts of this profile are turned from very strong 
>> types of wood.
>>
>> If the rotary axis is offset (Fig. 37.4A), the workpiece is cut off with 
>> a shaped cutter on only one side in one revolution around the spindle axis, 
>> and the cut recess has the form of a half ring (Fig. 37.4B). By turning and 
>> fixing the axis of the product in 16 divisions, 16 half rings are cut, 
>> covering the entire sphere of the part. As in the previous case, the cutter 
>> is fed to the part only in the transverse direction. Since this relief does 
>> not have a cross cut, such parts can be turned from any wood suitable for 
>> turning.
>>
>> The diameter of the workpiece, the outer arc described in one step of its 
>> rotation, and the profile of the shaped cutter must be tied, and their 
>> mutual calculation is made according to a preliminary drawing of the 
>> section of the part.
>>
>> In the process of cutting out cross or arc reliefs, the upper and lower 
>> necks of the parts are partially trimmed, therefore, after forming the full 
>> profile, the parts are finished off on a conventional turning mandrel. In 
>> this case, you can slightly trim the "poles" of the relief if there are

Re: NOT my works.

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Yes, that inspiration is appreciated.
DanK

On Wednesday, September 18, 2024 at 7:03:28 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Thanks for the added pix.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 11:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
>> [image: Inline image]
>> [image: Inline image]
>> [image: Inline image]
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2024 at 12:34:28 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via 
>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> These are not mine.  But something that I found on FB Market place.
>> I find these look like something Any one in the group could make.
>> I like the design and the look.
>> Just wanted to share the wealth. (so to speak.) ;-)
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>> [image: Inline image]
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Re: Today's Sep Bone turnings

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Really nice.
DanK


On Saturday, September 7, 2024 at 12:24:09 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Looking good Curt. 
> Keep up the amazing work. 
> The right one is my favorite. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 10:06 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> I Made some time this morning to do two bone turnings.
>> These two handles were made form the same templates, One roped and then I 
>> added some details/turned on my lathe, The other was cut and then I used 
>> the wave attachment with 4 starts.
>> Please let me know what you think?  
>> If you have any questions, Please ask.
>>
>> Have a good day. 
>> C.A.G.
>> [image: Inline image]
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Re: Legacy miter kit

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Understood.  I do have a biscuit joiner and I like using it.  This was just 
a shiny object that caught my attention.  

BTW, I'm planning on putting a 3/4-16 threaded rod on the feed screw 
bearings to address several issues, one of them being to index box joints 
more accurately. Other benefits include much increased range of pitches.  

Thanks for the help.
DanK

On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 1:51:27 PM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Good luck with that one I been trying to replace mine for years but it was 
> not that good anyway you can do a much better job with a floating tenon 
>
> Like the festool domino tool does or even the good old biscuit joiner 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 September 2024 3:34 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy miter kit
>
>  
>
> That's it exactly, Bill.  Thank you.  I understand like a grownup now.  It 
> works very differently than I thought and nothing I could see indicated 
> that it was a mortise tenon setup.  Now the question is...where could I buy 
> one of these?   
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 12:42:41 PM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
> wrote:
>
> You mean something like this  the videos don’t work but you can see it 
> installed on to the revo
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 September 2024 11:59 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy miter kit
>
>  
>
> Yes, you got it, the REVO framing kit.  I'd like to find some instructions 
> on how it was intended to be used.
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
> wrote:
>
> Yes that’s it what I was saying
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 September 2024 9:04 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy miter kit
>
>  
>
> So Dan, 
>
>  
>
> Is this what you were referring to?  See attached
>
> This is what I think Bill thought you meant. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 10:35 PM  wrote:
>
> After reading this again if you mean the revo framing kit then yes I have 
> used it before 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 September 2024 11:57 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Legacy miter kit
>
>  
>
> Has anyone used the miter kit offered by Legacy?  I ran across pictures in 
> the owners manual showing it as an option, but can't find any instruction 
> material for it. It's no longer available, but it doesn't look that hard to 
> make if it works like I think it works. I guess it was designed with 
> picture framing in mind.  It's hard to imagine a router bit making a decent 
> miter cut in 1" thick material partly because it looks like one end would 
> be climb cut into the grain, a big no-no.  Multi-pass cutting a increasing 
> depths would be possible, but that leads to steps however minute they may 
> be.  
>
>  
>
> I am getting ready to cut box joints into a sizable box for a Stanley 55 
> plane.  I used FreeCAD to make a parametric drawing so other boxes for the 
> 45 and 46 planes can be automatically drawn by updating the inside 
> dimensions of the box. Pretty slick.
>
>  
>
> Adding the capability of mitering frames brings a whole new dimension to 
> parametric design  Love these machines!  Combined with the innate 
> capability to make short moldings with ornamental features could lead to 
> some interesting stuff.
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
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Re: Legacy miter kit

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

That's it exactly, Bill.  Thank you.  I understand like a grownup now.  It 
works very differently than I thought and nothing I could see indicated 
that it was a mortise tenon setup.  Now the question is...where could I buy 
one of these?   
DanK

On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 12:42:41 PM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote:

> You mean something like this  the videos don’t work but you can see it 
> installed on to the revo
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 September 2024 11:59 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy miter kit
>
>  
>
> Yes, you got it, the REVO framing kit.  I'd like to find some instructions 
> on how it was intended to be used.
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
> wrote:
>
> Yes that’s it what I was saying
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 September 2024 9:04 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy miter kit
>
>  
>
> So Dan, 
>
>  
>
> Is this what you were referring to?  See attached
>
> This is what I think Bill thought you meant. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 10:35 PM  wrote:
>
> After reading this again if you mean the revo framing kit then yes I have 
> used it before 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 September 2024 11:57 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Legacy miter kit
>
>  
>
> Has anyone used the miter kit offered by Legacy?  I ran across pictures in 
> the owners manual showing it as an option, but can't find any instruction 
> material for it. It's no longer available, but it doesn't look that hard to 
> make if it works like I think it works. I guess it was designed with 
> picture framing in mind.  It's hard to imagine a router bit making a decent 
> miter cut in 1" thick material partly because it looks like one end would 
> be climb cut into the grain, a big no-no.  Multi-pass cutting a increasing 
> depths would be possible, but that leads to steps however minute they may 
> be.  
>
>  
>
> I am getting ready to cut box joints into a sizable box for a Stanley 55 
> plane.  I used FreeCAD to make a parametric drawing so other boxes for the 
> 45 and 46 planes can be automatically drawn by updating the inside 
> dimensions of the box. Pretty slick.
>
>  
>
> Adding the capability of mitering frames brings a whole new dimension to 
> parametric design  Love these machines!  Combined with the innate 
> capability to make short moldings with ornamental features could lead to 
> some interesting stuff.
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
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Re: Legacy miter kit

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Yes, you got it, the REVO framing kit.  I'd like to find some instructions 
on how it was intended to be used.
DanK


On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Yes that’s it what I was saying
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 September 2024 9:04 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy miter kit
>
>  
>
> So Dan, 
>
>  
>
> Is this what you were referring to?  See attached
>
> This is what I think Bill thought you meant. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 10:35 PM  wrote:
>
> After reading this again if you mean the revo framing kit then yes I have 
> used it before 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 September 2024 11:57 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Legacy miter kit
>
>  
>
> Has anyone used the miter kit offered by Legacy?  I ran across pictures in 
> the owners manual showing it as an option, but can't find any instruction 
> material for it. It's no longer available, but it doesn't look that hard to 
> make if it works like I think it works. I guess it was designed with 
> picture framing in mind.  It's hard to imagine a router bit making a decent 
> miter cut in 1" thick material partly because it looks like one end would 
> be climb cut into the grain, a big no-no.  Multi-pass cutting a increasing 
> depths would be possible, but that leads to steps however minute they may 
> be.  
>
>  
>
> I am getting ready to cut box joints into a sizable box for a Stanley 55 
> plane.  I used FreeCAD to make a parametric drawing so other boxes for the 
> 45 and 46 planes can be automatically drawn by updating the inside 
> dimensions of the box. Pretty slick.
>
>  
>
> Adding the capability of mitering frames brings a whole new dimension to 
> parametric design  Love these machines!  Combined with the innate 
> capability to make short moldings with ornamental features could lead to 
> some interesting stuff.
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
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Legacy miter kit

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Has anyone used the miter kit offered by Legacy?  I ran across pictures in 
the owners manual showing it as an option, but can't find any instruction 
material for it. It's no longer available, but it doesn't look that hard to 
make if it works like I think it works. I guess it was designed with 
picture framing in mind.  It's hard to imagine a router bit making a decent 
miter cut in 1" thick material partly because it looks like one end would 
be climb cut into the grain, a big no-no.  Multi-pass cutting a increasing 
depths would be possible, but that leads to steps however minute they may 
be.  

I am getting ready to cut box joints into a sizable box for a Stanley 55 
plane.  I used FreeCAD to make a parametric drawing so other boxes for the 
45 and 46 planes can be automatically drawn by updating the inside 
dimensions of the box. Pretty slick.

Adding the capability of mitering frames brings a whole new dimension to 
parametric design  Love these machines!  Combined with the innate 
capability to make short moldings with ornamental features could lead to 
some interesting stuff.

DanK

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Re: new custom mill

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Every Amish community I know about has a carriage wheel maker. They make a 
good living servicing the carriages used by the community.  Traditional old 
skills are used because they are efficient and cost effective.  
I'm with Curt about loyalty to "old" customers. Trees that abandon their 
roots have limited life expediencies. I have similar thoughts about Fine 
Woodworking magazine.  The loyalty of charter subscribers (since 1975) is 
noteworthy and it seems the least the publisher could do is reward this 
loyalty with a subscription to their web material. I guess if you pay 
enough money you can have both. So, perhaps there is a small business 
opportunity to be arranged.
DanK 

On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 8:59:21 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Tim.
>
> I'm taking one of those penny's back. (so to speak.)  ;-)
>
> I agree Change is part of life. And I  think Legacy going CNC was a good 
> thing.
>
> My problem is and was. There is no loyalty to there old customer's. 
> Everything is on file, there Lasers could easily cut out and make old parts 
> if needed.YES your buggy whip / change of times is understood all to 
> clearly.   Its just the Divorce and alienation (old owners vs new CNC)  
> that hurts.  
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 07:09:01 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> We've talked about this before. As I said, it is progress. 
> The company would probably have gone out of business if they did not get 
> into cnc. 
> I'd love one of their CnC machines to be honest.
> Weinig Moulders would not be where it is today if they did not change with 
> the times. 
> Honestly I think they did what they had to do. 
> Look at the horse and buggie compared to Cars and Trucks today. 
> Sorry we are blessed to have the machines we do and if they keep selling 
> when one guy 
> is done with it, they then can continue to pass on the legacy of the 
> LEGACY. 
> Just my thoughts and 3 cents worth. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 11:45 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
> $80.000 is close to what I paid for my home.  "MAN" the New CNC's are 
> priced to high for me.
>
> I wish Legacy luck, but I still think they were foolish , throwing the 
> baby out with the bath water. (so to speak) The machines that they made in 
> the past, are worth something! but As they see it ,Its all about the money, 
> Selling an $80.000 machine is far better then selling a $3.000 one. (even 
> though they sold thousands of manual machine.) 
> I could be wrong, but I think that there could have been another way. 
> (just putting my two cense worth of it, out there for all to see .) ;-)
> C.A.G.
> On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 11:44:18 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> i know right. uda!
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 10:35 PM  wrote:
>
> Yea what it would be to be able to spend that sort of money without a 
> problem 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, 31 August 2024 9:05 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: new custom mill
>
>  
>
> I was guessing some where around that figure. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 9:39 AM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental 
> Mills  wrote:
>
> ok, looked it up on the Legacy website... BASIC! machine price, $80,000... 
> 15" diameter by 72" capacity between centers... auto tool changer... and 
> all the other bells and whistles you would expect for a machine at that 
> price level... I might guess that they are on a made-to-order status
>
> On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 9:31:13 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Interesting... and quite the machine... a bit surprised that Legacy is 
> showing some custom, machine fabrication work, that the client they made 
> the machine for, requested... I would have thought that the client would 
> have wanted that info kept propritory to their specific use... much like 
> the so-called 40 ft. Legacy machine that they made quite a number of years 
> ago(or at least that is what I heard!... LOL!)... and what anyone would use 
> a 40ft Legacy for is also a bit of a mystery... and it seems Legacy is not 
> letting that info out!... also, what does a machine, like what they showed 
> in the video, cost 

Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Got it. You should hear from me Monday if not before.
DanK

On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 11:25:08 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> I'm sure he would be fine with that. He may use DXF to but sure he can 
> convert it to his language anyway. 
> Just private message me the file and we can chat a bit more if needed. 
> Thanks Dan
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 8:18 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> OK. I can do that.  Would a DWG file work?
>> DanK
>>
>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 10:04:13 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Dan,
>>>
>>> Checked in with one source today and will be meeting with him hopefully 
>>> this weekend. He is only a mile or so 
>>> from us. 
>>> Did you get the correct measurements I posted the other day?
>>> If you want to draw it up with those that would be great then I will 
>>> bring it to my guy to create a file for them. 
>>> No sense in both of us drawing them. 
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 2:39 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the input, Mac.  I've got work standing in all the lower 48 
>>>> plus HI, some in Central America and as far as Brazil.  So shipping is no 
>>>> stranger.  I'll wait until Tim Z. sources are checked out and go from 
>>>> there.
>>>> DanK
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-4 M.W.Foscue wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DanK,
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your input. 
>>>>>
>>>>> To answer your question - yes, I'd pay $20 for a set of 4 - seems to 
>>>>> be a fair price. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course another part of the process is what will S&H come to.
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> When I'm estimating the potential S&H charge (when I don't know where 
>>>>> the buyer will be), I calculate a couple.  I pick a Zip code in Pac NW 
>>>>> (one 
>>>>> north of Seattle); one in So Cal., and one in either Miami or northern 
>>>>> Maine.  I pick the most expensive of the 3-4 Zips - then round up to 
>>>>> nearest dollar - and add in an appropriate amount for the container I use 
>>>>> to mail it in.  If using USPS Priority Mail, I don't add cost of 
>>>>> container 
>>>>> unless I'm not able to fit item into a USPS mailing box or pouch.  If a 
>>>>> person were to order multiple sets of 4, the S&H could reflect some 
>>>>> savings 
>>>>> if they are all packaged together.
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Mac
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: 
>>>>> Sent: Aug 22, 2024 9:23 AM
>>>>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>> I would consider making a bunch if I could find a place to laser cut 
>>>>> the outline and holes. I could provide the laser cutter with a 2D drawing 
>>>>> that he could load into G code for the laser. I have a press that would 
>>>>> bend the legs in a form made for the purpose.  Then I would sell them in 
>>>>> packages of four. This might be a cost effective means to get some made. 
>>>>> Would the market bear $20 bill for a set of four?  I have no idea if 
>>>>> anyone 
>>>>> in my area has the equipment, but I'll start checking around.
>>>>> DanK
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 8:56:42 AM UTC-4 Ken Fisher wrote: 
>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Thanks C

Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

OK. I can do that.  Would a DWG file work?
DanK

On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 10:04:13 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Checked in with one source today and will be meeting with him hopefully 
> this weekend. He is only a mile or so 
> from us. 
> Did you get the correct measurements I posted the other day?
> If you want to draw it up with those that would be great then I will bring 
> it to my guy to create a file for them. 
> No sense in both of us drawing them. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 2:39 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the input, Mac.  I've got work standing in all the lower 48 
>> plus HI, some in Central America and as far as Brazil.  So shipping is no 
>> stranger.  I'll wait until Tim Z. sources are checked out and go from there.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-4 M.W.Foscue wrote:
>>
>>> DanK,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input. 
>>>
>>> To answer your question - yes, I'd pay $20 for a set of 4 - seems to be 
>>> a fair price. 
>>>
>>> Of course another part of the process is what will S&H come to.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> When I'm estimating the potential S&H charge (when I don't know where 
>>> the buyer will be), I calculate a couple.  I pick a Zip code in Pac NW (one 
>>> north of Seattle); one in So Cal., and one in either Miami or northern 
>>> Maine.  I pick the most expensive of the 3-4 Zips - then round up to 
>>> nearest dollar - and add in an appropriate amount for the container I use 
>>> to mail it in.  If using USPS Priority Mail, I don't add cost of container 
>>> unless I'm not able to fit item into a USPS mailing box or pouch.  If a 
>>> person were to order multiple sets of 4, the S&H could reflect some savings 
>>> if they are all packaged together.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> Sent: Aug 22, 2024 9:23 AM
>>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> Subject: Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions
>>>
>>>  
>>> I would consider making a bunch if I could find a place to laser cut the 
>>> outline and holes. I could provide the laser cutter with a 2D drawing that 
>>> he could load into G code for the laser. I have a press that would bend the 
>>> legs in a form made for the purpose.  Then I would sell them in packages of 
>>> four. This might be a cost effective means to get some made. Would the 
>>> market bear $20 bill for a set of four?  I have no idea if anyone in my 
>>> area has the equipment, but I'll start checking around.
>>> DanK
>>> --
>>> --
>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 8:56:42 AM UTC-4 Ken Fisher wrote: 
>>>
>>>>  
>>>> Thanks Curt,
>>>> I was really referring to if a person was to pursue having these made 
>>>> in quantity what would be a fair and reasonable price that members of the 
>>>> group would pay?
>>>>  
>>>> I’m sure it will differ some across the spectrum. Those who are capable 
>>>> and have the equipment to make them themselves would probably not want to 
>>>> pay as much as the individual that doesn’t have these things. Then there 
>>>> are those of course that can make them but would rather buy such an item 
>>>> verses spending their time making them. Does anyone know what the last 
>>>> price was you could purchase them for from Legacy?
>>>>  
>>>> Like Tim I know a couple guys who may be interested in making a run of 
>>>> these but no one is going to want to do a dozen of them. It would become 
>>>> cost prohibitive.
>>>>  
>>>> Ken F
>>>>
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Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Thanks for the input, Mac.  I've got work standing in all the lower 48 plus 
HI, some in Central America and as far as Brazil.  So shipping is no 
stranger.  I'll wait until Tim Z. sources are checked out and go from there.
DanK

On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-4 M.W.Foscue wrote:

> DanK,
>
>  
>
> Thanks for your input. 
>
> To answer your question - yes, I'd pay $20 for a set of 4 - seems to be a 
> fair price. 
>
> Of course another part of the process is what will S&H come to.
>
>  
>
> When I'm estimating the potential S&H charge (when I don't know where the 
> buyer will be), I calculate a couple.  I pick a Zip code in Pac NW (one 
> north of Seattle); one in So Cal., and one in either Miami or northern 
> Maine.  I pick the most expensive of the 3-4 Zips - then round up to 
> nearest dollar - and add in an appropriate amount for the container I use 
> to mail it in.  If using USPS Priority Mail, I don't add cost of container 
> unless I'm not able to fit item into a USPS mailing box or pouch.  If a 
> person were to order multiple sets of 4, the S&H could reflect some savings 
> if they are all packaged together.
>
>  
>
> Mac
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Aug 22, 2024 9:23 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Subject: Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions
>
>  
> I would consider making a bunch if I could find a place to laser cut the 
> outline and holes. I could provide the laser cutter with a 2D drawing that 
> he could load into G code for the laser. I have a press that would bend the 
> legs in a form made for the purpose.  Then I would sell them in packages of 
> four. This might be a cost effective means to get some made. Would the 
> market bear $20 bill for a set of four?  I have no idea if anyone in my 
> area has the equipment, but I'll start checking around.
> DanK
> --
> --
> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 8:56:42 AM UTC-4 Ken Fisher wrote: 
>
>>  
>> Thanks Curt,
>> I was really referring to if a person was to pursue having these made in 
>> quantity what would be a fair and reasonable price that members of the 
>> group would pay?
>>  
>> I’m sure it will differ some across the spectrum. Those who are capable 
>> and have the equipment to make them themselves would probably not want to 
>> pay as much as the individual that doesn’t have these things. Then there 
>> are those of course that can make them but would rather buy such an item 
>> verses spending their time making them. Does anyone know what the last 
>> price was you could purchase them for from Legacy?
>>  
>> Like Tim I know a couple guys who may be interested in making a run of 
>> these but no one is going to want to do a dozen of them. It would become 
>> cost prohibitive.
>>  
>> Ken F
>>
>

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Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

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I would consider making a bunch if I could find a place to laser cut the 
outline and holes. I could provide the laser cutter with a 2D drawing that 
he could load into G code for the laser. I have a press that would bend the 
legs in a form made for the purpose.  Then I would sell them in packages of 
four. This might be a cost effective means to get some made. Would the 
market bear $20 bill for a set of four?  I have no idea if anyone in my 
area has the equipment, but I'll start checking around.
DanK

On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 8:56:42 AM UTC-4 Ken Fisher wrote:

> Thanks Curt,
> I was really referring to if a person was to pursue having these made in 
> quantity what would be a fair and reasonable price that members of the 
> group would pay?
>
> I’m sure it will differ some across the spectrum. Those who are capable 
> and have the equipment to make them themselves would probably not want to 
> pay as much as the individual that doesn’t have these things. Then there 
> are those of course that can make them but would rather buy such an item 
> verses spending their time making them. Does anyone know what the last 
> price was you could purchase them for from Legacy?
>
> Like Tim I know a couple guys who may be interested in making a run of 
> these but no one is going to want to do a dozen of them. It would become 
> cost prohibitive.
>
> Ken F
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2024 at 7:37 AM,  
> wrote:
>
> Hello Ken
>
> If I'm Honest with you.  I do not know?  I would guess on your wants/what 
> you need, and how many?
> Its a pretty simple device. a steel bracket, with 4 prongs and 5 mounting 
> holes. any one with a jig saw or any metal cutting tools could make them, 
> themselves with some time.
> I've made my own a few times in the past, Its not hard. it just takes some 
> time and a little effort.
>
> I have a laser guy who can cut them out. the problem is there is a min. 
> charge of $200.00 plus materials/ steel plate.  I do not know how many can 
> be made for the min.? and at this time $200.00 for my WANT's, is just not 
> in the works for me.
> This is why I asked Tim what his guy is willing to make them for?
>
> Perhaps this could be a video project for the group? Something to think 
> about.
>
> Gota run.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 10:23:36 AM EDT, Ken Fisher <
> kfis...@outlook.com> wrote: 
>
>
> What is a reasonable price for these if one was to pursue having them made?
>
> Ken F
>
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2024 at 3:52 AM,  wrote:
>
> yeah I would have to see if they are still willing. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 12:48 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Rumor has it that Tim Z. knows a guy "Really well" that could crank them 
> out if there are folks willing to pay for them.
>
> Shoot Tim a note if you want to know more.
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Aug 20, 2024 1:32 AM
> To: 
> Subject: RE: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions
>
>  
>
> If you have any metal work experience drive hubs are not too difficult to 
> make cut a blank out of metal plate drill the 5 holes in the middle
>
> Get a square steel bar the right size drill and tap corresponding holes in 
> it, bolt the blank to the square bar heat the blank up with a flame
>
> and with a hammer bend each point of the blank over to 90 degrees and you 
> have a ready to use drive hub if I didn’t have plenty myself I would make 
> whatever I needed 
>
>  
>
> Bill 
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2024 1:30 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions
>
>  
>
> the last I checked with Cindy they no longer carry the dogs for our LOM's. 
>
> You may have to have someone custom make a few unless like Bill said 
> someone will sell you some.
>
> They are a rather hot commodity. 
>
>  
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 9:02 PM  wrote:
>
> Also perhaps you can buy one or two drive hubs from legacy or a member who 
> has spares so you can make more . if your mill is a revo and want to go 
> down the chuck path I suggest getting a record power SC1 or SC2 mini chuck 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHnLzlAsPek
>
> I own the SC1 with all the different jaws and I love it for the revo mill 
> it grips the wood on about the same dia as the drive hub perfect for small 
> work right up to 6 inch dia the capacity of the revo. I think it was Tim M 
> that had a re

Re: wooden threads

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Not all threads are single start helixes, even in the machining world.  If 
you own an engine lathe with threading gears, you may find that the 
indicator used to "start" the cut has four divisions. 
DanK

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 9:02:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> a Thread only has one start too. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 7:00 PM  wrote:
>
>> The same as I always use ½ inch pitch which is 2 tpi the bigger the 
>> thread 
>>
>> Dia the less course the same tpi thread seems to look. The one on the 
>> left is 1 ½ inches smaller dia than the one on the right
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2024 11:53 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: wooden threads
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good morning guys!
>>
>>  
>>
>> I cant wait to see your newest video, Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> I know the 90 deg. is the angle you like, but what pitch will you
>>
>> be using, Bill?  
>>
>> Like the writer stated.  5-6 is common, 2 TPI makes a drastic pitch.
>>
>>  
>>
>> NOW the question is how many starts will be needed to make this screw?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Talk to you all more latter.
>>
>> Have a good day.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 09:32:02 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yeah I can see the struggle is real. one needs both hands to run the mill 
>> and both hands to camera.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 7:13 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Oh man I wish you where here to do that too it would be so much easier 
>> quicker and clearer if I had a camera man its so much work doing it alone
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2024 9:23 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: wooden threads
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey, I am looking forward to that. I wish I was there to hold the camera 
>> for you lol. 
>>
>> Keep us posted and updated to when you can move forward with that. 
>>
>> That's right I will need to mount my Horizontal Router mount to do the 
>> nut right?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:15 AM  wrote:
>>
>> And I am going to do an updated thread cutting video featuring my latest 
>> tilting Z axis when milling the nuts once im back in my shop
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2024 8:50 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: wooden threads
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey This is great Bill, 
>>
>> I still need to attempt my first threads. I bought the bit you 
>> recommended several 
>>
>> months ago, but still have not done the project. Does that give a true 90 
>> degree?
>>
>> Now you will hopefully get some new viewers and show your threading video 
>> that
>>
>> we've had the pleasure of watching for sure. 
>>
>> I down loaded this right away too. Lots of good information there. 
>>
>> Thanks Bill the "Thread Master"
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 10:43 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Finaly an article that has it right about wooden threads they are even 2 
>> tpi like I make just smaller in dia and he gets the thread angle right 90 
>> degrees not 60 and for the right reasons after all once all threads were 
>> wood threads before metal came along I been saying it for years. This guy 
>> makes wood bench vice threads
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
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>>  
>> 

Re: Legacy 900 for sale in Millersburg PA

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

That black box underneath looks like a battery charger.

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 9:11:36 AM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I didn't put the link to the facebook page because the listing is not 
> public, its to a membership group.  I've learned it wastes everyone's time 
> trying to see the unseeable.
> The membership is free, so here is the link. 
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056069081118283>
> Methinks if it is a wiper motor, it is a 12V DC that doesn't need a 
> controller, only a rheostat for speed and a DPDT reversing switch.  Clever.
> DanK
> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 8:09:36 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
>> Yes I know im also looking for another Z axis im thinking of maybe 
>> putting one on the revo
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2024 9:19 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Legacy 900 for sale in Millersburg PA
>>
>>  
>>
>> I think if we went directly to the facebook link we could but thats not 
>> in the email. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:05 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone see what controller runs the motor
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2024 8:45 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Legacy 900 for sale in Millersburg PA
>>
>>  
>>
>> looks pretty ingenious though. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 10:10 PM L W  wrote:
>>
>> It was on it when I bought it. It's a wiper motor.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024, 10:46 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> should be lol. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave. 
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330 
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 9:18 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>>
>> Tim Z.
>>
>>  
>>
>> -Are you on your way to PA?!?!?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Aug 11, 2024 4:30 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Legacy 900 for sale in Millersburg PA
>>
>>  
>>
>> Can you share the pix on the emails here.  
>>
>> That screen shot does no justice to what you really have.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards, 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave. 
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+%0D%0A+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330 
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+%0D%0A+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:25 AM L W  wrote:
>>
>> $650
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Aug

Re: Legacy 900 for sale in Millersburg PA

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

I didn't put the link to the facebook page because the listing is not 
public, its to a membership group.  I've learned it wastes everyone's time 
trying to see the unseeable.
The membership is free, so here is the link. 
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056069081118283>
Methinks if it is a wiper motor, it is a 12V DC that doesn't need a 
controller, only a rheostat for speed and a DPDT reversing switch.  Clever.
DanK
On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 8:09:36 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Yes I know im also looking for another Z axis im thinking of maybe putting 
> one on the revo
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2024 9:19 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy 900 for sale in Millersburg PA
>
>  
>
> I think if we went directly to the facebook link we could but thats not in 
> the email. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:05 AM  wrote:
>
> Can anyone see what controller runs the motor
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2024 8:45 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy 900 for sale in Millersburg PA
>
>  
>
> looks pretty ingenious though. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 10:10 PM L W  wrote:
>
> It was on it when I bought it. It's a wiper motor.
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024, 10:46 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> should be lol. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave. 
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Foreston MN 56330 
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 9:18 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Tim Z.
>
>  
>
> -Are you on your way to PA?!?!?
>
>  
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Aug 11, 2024 4:30 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Legacy 900 for sale in Millersburg PA
>
>  
>
> Can you share the pix on the emails here.  
>
> That screen shot does no justice to what you really have.
>
>
> Kind Regards, 
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave. 
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+%0D%0A+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Foreston MN 56330 
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+%0D%0A+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:25 AM L W  wrote:
>
> $650
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024, 12:07 PM Ken and Diana  wrote:
>
> What are you asking for your legacy router mill? 
>
> Ken
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:18 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Anybody nearby?  
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
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> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/8a6bb227-36a5-4876-8dce-e5bc9ea06339n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
> .
>
>  
>
> -- 
> You rece

Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

This is far off topic and there are many ways to do it.  The easiest is 
this: <https://www.upsidedowntextgenerator.com/>
DanK
On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 4:31:44 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> yeah Bill we had to stand on our heads to read it. I am sure it was 
> perfectly clear for you. lol
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:59 AM  wrote:
>
>> Well thank you Dan and so clearly written too lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2024 12:29 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>>
>>  
>>
>> ¡ʇɔǝdsǝɹ ɹno ǝʌɐɥ noʎ  ˙llıq 'noʎ ǝʌol op ǝʍ
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 3:57:52 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well I thought it meant because I’m upside down I see all words backwards 
>> so you love me  lol  evol backwards 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 11, 2024 3:01 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Did you, Tim, or anyone figure out the "cryptic" comment I made to Bill 
>> following my remarks to DanK in my last post (to DanK and all ya'll)?
>>
>> Here it is again:  We Evol you Bill!  (Anyone figure that one out?)
>>
>> Keep in mind where Bill is and what "life is like there".  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Aug 10, 2024 11:29 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: RE: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well I try mac lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 11, 2024 9:31 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
>>
>> LoL!!   I am happy to see that someone else in "The Group" realizes that 
>> Bill's world is very different than ours - that everything is upside down 
>> and when he drops something, he has to retrieve it off the ceiling, that 
>> their saying is: "Lefty Tighty, Righty Loosey", etc.!!
>>
>> We Evol you Bill!  (Anyone figure that one out?)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>>  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Aug 10, 2024 9:19 AM
>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> Subject: Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>>
>>  
>>
>> I haven't gone to check mine... been slammed really hard with massive 
>> infection probably UTI that has taken all my energy and motivation.  If 
>> clearance is a problem, I don't see an issue of grinding a few thousandths 
>> off the OD being careful to use a very fine grit to prevent cracks AMAP.  
>> Just what is needed, nothing more.  Better yet,  reduce the cap screw head  
>> because then future replacements won't need to be messed with. I have a 
>> stash of such "sproing" clipssometimes as hard to find as the flying 
>> original.
>>
>> As last resort, contact Bill.  Since everything up here falls DOWN, 
>> perhaps he can see it. A big magnet on a string is your friend for such 
>> recovery. The voices in my head came up with a great ideaa really big 
>> magnet so when Bill goes to the shop he wonders why all his tools are on 
>> the ceiling!  LOL.  
>>
>> I'll see myself out.
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 6:55:23 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>> Yeah I will go out and look at mine too. It does seem rather large?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler

Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

¡ʇɔǝdsǝɹ ɹno ǝʌɐɥ noʎ  ˙llıq 'noʎ ǝʌol op ǝʍ
DanK

On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 3:57:52 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Well I thought it meant because I’m upside down I see all words backwards 
> so you love me  lol  evol backwards 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 11, 2024 3:01 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>
>  
>
> Bill,
>
>  
>
> Did you, Tim, or anyone figure out the "cryptic" comment I made to Bill 
> following my remarks to DanK in my last post (to DanK and all ya'll)?
>
> Here it is again:  We Evol you Bill!  (Anyone figure that one out?)
>
> Keep in mind where Bill is and what "life is like there".  
>
>  
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Aug 10, 2024 11:29 PM
> To: 
> Subject: RE: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>
>  
>
> Well I try mac lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 11, 2024 9:31 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> LoL!!   I am happy to see that someone else in "The Group" realizes that 
> Bill's world is very different than ours - that everything is upside down 
> and when he drops something, he has to retrieve it off the ceiling, that 
> their saying is: "Lefty Tighty, Righty Loosey", etc.!!
>
> We Evol you Bill!  (Anyone figure that one out?)
>
>  
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Aug 10, 2024 9:19 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Subject: Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>
>  
>
> I haven't gone to check mine... been slammed really hard with massive 
> infection probably UTI that has taken all my energy and motivation.  If 
> clearance is a problem, I don't see an issue of grinding a few thousandths 
> off the OD being careful to use a very fine grit to prevent cracks AMAP.  
> Just what is needed, nothing more.  Better yet,  reduce the cap screw head  
> because then future replacements won't need to be messed with. I have a 
> stash of such "sproing" clipssometimes as hard to find as the flying 
> original.
>
> As last resort, contact Bill.  Since everything up here falls DOWN, 
> perhaps he can see it. A big magnet on a string is your friend for such 
> recovery. The voices in my head came up with a great ideaa really big 
> magnet so when Bill goes to the shop he wonders why all his tools are on 
> the ceiling!  LOL.  
>
> I'll see myself out.
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 6:55:23 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Yeah I will go out and look at mine too. It does seem rather large?
>
>  
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 1:05 AM  wrote:
>
> That dose not look like the original sir clip we call them the original is 
> smaller in dia you can sort of see in this magnified image compared to your 
> image
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Maxwell
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 10, 2024 2:24 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>
>  
>
> Curt thank you for the photo.
> I managed to find the original clip so I will post some pictures incase 
> another member has a similar issue.  This is on a Revo model and it appears 
> to be a standard black e-clip instead of the yellowish/gold reinforced type.
>
> Of note to Revo users, there is not enough clearance for the clip rotate 
> 360 degrees with the shaft so spinning the pin shaft could dislodge the 
> clip.
>
>  
>
> Tim Maxwell
>
> On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 1:03:19 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
> Tim this is not a good photo. but its the only one that I can find at this 
> time.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
>  
>
> On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 12:41:47 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Hello Tim
>
> Depending on the modal of Legacy and the year, the locking pin changed a 
> little,
>
> On my 1000ex there was a spring and bracket and a spring retaining ring to 
> hold the indexing system together.
>
> The spring and bracket worked on friction to hold the lock away form the 
> indexing gear when you were not using it.
>
> On latter units, I have seen slight differences form what I have, But I do 
> also own a indexing system with two indexing pins which are locked in place 
> with small shaft collars. and Ive also seen a locking pin/lever which holds 
> the pin locked when not in use.
>
>  
>
> If you could take

Re: Revo / Craftmaster Owner's Manual and DVDs

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

I.E the DVDs themselves have uncorrectable errors.
DanK

On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 9:52:27 PM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> There are errors in the DVD files that I should probably mark out, but 
> don't know how.  So, they are short sheeted. The folder holding the files 
> should be recognized by a video player as playable, IIRC.  I'm a 
> woodworker, not a video expertIt's consuming 95% of my otherwise empty 
> Google Drive, so I may cut the 30 days short to reduce their nagging to buy 
> more space.
> Are the manual and the Legacy Charts usable?  
> DanK
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-4 Tim Maxwell wrote:
>
>> Thank you for posting the videos, they are very informative.
>> One quick question to make sure all the files uploaded. The vts_# appear 
>> to all be in groups of 4 similar name files, but the video_ts only has 3.
>> Is there supposed to be another file starting with video_ts with a vob 
>> ending?
>>
>> Tim M
>>
>>

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Re: Revo / Craftmaster Owner's Manual and DVDs

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

There are errors in the DVD files that I should probably mark out, but 
don't know how.  So, they are short sheeted. The folder holding the files 
should be recognized by a video player as playable, IIRC.  I'm a 
woodworker, not a video expertIt's consuming 95% of my otherwise empty 
Google Drive, so I may cut the 30 days short to reduce their nagging to buy 
more space.
Are the manual and the Legacy Charts usable?  
DanK
On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-4 Tim Maxwell wrote:

> Thank you for posting the videos, they are very informative.
> One quick question to make sure all the files uploaded. The vts_# appear 
> to all be in groups of 4 similar name files, but the video_ts only has 3.
> Is there supposed to be another file starting with video_ts with a vob 
> ending?
>
> Tim M
>
>

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Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip

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I haven't gone to check mine... been slammed really hard with massive 
infection probably UTI that has taken all my energy and motivation.  If 
clearance is a problem, I don't see an issue of grinding a few thousandths 
off the OD being careful to use a very fine grit to prevent cracks AMAP.  
Just what is needed, nothing more.  Better yet,  reduce the cap screw head  
because then future replacements won't need to be messed with. I have a 
stash of such "sproing" clipssometimes as hard to find as the flying 
original.
As last resort, contact Bill.  Since everything up here falls DOWN, perhaps 
he can see it. A big magnet on a string is your friend for such recovery. 
The voices in my head came up with a great ideaa really big magnet so 
when Bill goes to the shop he wonders why all his tools are on the 
ceiling!  LOL.  
I'll see myself out. 

DanK

On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 6:55:23 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Yeah I will go out and look at mine too. It does seem rather large?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 1:05 AM  wrote:
>
>> That dose not look like the original sir clip we call them the original 
>> is smaller in dia you can sort of see in this magnified image compared to 
>> your image
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Maxwell
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 10, 2024 2:24 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip
>>
>>  
>>
>> Curt thank you for the photo.
>> I managed to find the original clip so I will post some pictures incase 
>> another member has a similar issue.  This is on a Revo model and it appears 
>> to be a standard black e-clip instead of the yellowish/gold reinforced type.
>>
>> Of note to Revo users, there is not enough clearance for the clip rotate 
>> 360 degrees with the shaft so spinning the pin shaft could dislodge the 
>> clip.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tim Maxwell
>>
>> On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 1:03:19 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>
>> Tim this is not a good photo. but its the only one that I can find at 
>> this time.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> [image: Inline image]
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 12:41:47 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hello Tim
>>
>> Depending on the modal of Legacy and the year, the locking pin changed a 
>> little,
>>
>> On my 1000ex there was a spring and bracket and a spring retaining ring 
>> to hold the indexing system together.
>>
>> The spring and bracket worked on friction to hold the lock away form the 
>> indexing gear when you were not using it.
>>
>> On latter units, I have seen slight differences form what I have, But I 
>> do also own a indexing system with two indexing pins which are locked in 
>> place with small shaft collars. and Ive also seen a locking pin/lever which 
>> holds the pin locked when not in use.
>>
>>  
>>
>> If you could take a photo of what you have, It might be easer to figure 
>> out if something was lost or damaged? ( I cant find any off-hand photo's of 
>> this indexing pin at this time. but I will keep looking. Perhaps tomorrow I 
>> can go out and see if I can find one to photograph for you? )
>>
>>  
>>
>> Best of luck on this problem.
>>
>>  
>>
>> have a good night.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 12:17:06 AM EDT, Tim Maxwell <
>> eec...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Does the spring in the index pin assembly push against a standard e-clip 
>> (radially applied retaining clip) or a specialty/reinforced clip?
>>
>>  
>>
>> While trying to loosen/clean/lube a sticking indexing pin I heard a part 
>> go flying and suddenly there was no tension on the spring.  It appears the 
>> retaining clip liberated itself.  
>>
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Re: Revo / Craftmaster Owner's Manual and DVDs

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The indication was 17 hours to upload all those files.  So it's gonna be 
tomorrow before some can be reached.
DanK


On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 10:48:15 AM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Another Tim!  Hi Tim and welcome. Congratulations on finding a REVO.  I 
> have posted the videos I have for the REVO, and wonder of wonders I found 
> the owners manual PDF.  Use the links included to download the files.  
> These will be stored on Google Drive shared for 30 days and only the link 
> can access them.  It takes a long time to upload.  I found the electronic 
> manual , and when they are finished uploading, I will share another useful 
> file in a separate link with it.
>
> Revo files 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11v1jrbuwAOVnOVdEbjF04-eU0Spp-9B1?usp=sharing,%20https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DmocBlrFuZL3HM8dp8lJ7h8La1VNqfNM?usp=sharing,%20https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1L3ll9OqXt1sJpLZrgf_hsWVsmrMBHPo0?usp=sharing,%20https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1odPNffqda8Qm9QQBHDFxONKvfchID-U5?usp=sharing,%20https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qnWDx10Uqo4_hH3c2WRC1QGU1jxn7YWz?usp=sharing>
> On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 12:17:01 AM UTC-4 Tim Maxwell wrote:
>
>> I am new to the group and tried searching past messages without success 
>> so my apologies if the information I need has been previously posted.
>>
>> I recently purchased what I believe to be a Revo or Revo Craftmaster 
>> model.  I came with the Assembly Instruction and Owners Manual for the 
>> models 200/900/12/1800/2000, but nothing for the Revo.
>> Was there a Revo specific manual?
>> If so, a copy would be helpful to determine what parts/accessories I have.
>>
>> I did find Dan Krager's offer in 2022 to share the Revo Assembly and 
>> Training DVDs, could someone pass them along also?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tim M
>>
>

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Re: Revo / Craftmaster Owner's Manual and DVDs

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Another Tim!  Hi Tim and welcome. Congratulations on finding a REVO.  I 
have posted the videos I have for the REVO, and wonder of wonders I found 
the owners manual PDF.  Use the links included to download the files.  
These will be stored on Google Drive shared for 30 days and only the link 
can access them.  It takes a long time to upload.  I found the electronic 
manual , and when they are finished uploading, I will share another useful 
file in a separate link with it.

Revo files 

On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 12:17:01 AM UTC-4 Tim Maxwell wrote:

> I am new to the group and tried searching past messages without success so 
> my apologies if the information I need has been previously posted.
>
> I recently purchased what I believe to be a Revo or Revo Craftmaster 
> model.  I came with the Assembly Instruction and Owners Manual for the 
> models 200/900/12/1800/2000, but nothing for the Revo.
> Was there a Revo specific manual?
> If so, a copy would be helpful to determine what parts/accessories I have.
>
> I did find Dan Krager's offer in 2022 to share the Revo Assembly and 
> Training DVDs, could someone pass them along also?
>
> Thanks
> Tim M
>

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Re: Legacy modal 500 for sale. $300.00

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Don't feel alone re: metric phobia Tim. I tried converting to metric in my 
woodshop shortly after I started in 1967, but there were too many obstacles 
and lots of conversion issues. Most of the machinery was English and most 
of the target installations were English. So to work in metric was an 
unecessary burden.  My work tolerance for most objects required at least 
three digits behind the decimal point, so rounding from say 1/2" to 13 mm 
was unacceptable. And if you use a 19 mm wrench on a 3/4" nut you will 
impose unnecessary wear on one or the other.  I've stripped round many a 
stubborn nut trying the mix and match.  Sometimes close is just not good 
enough, I don't care how much fun people make of it.  A lot of the worlds 
finest work has been done with neither English nor metric, and I've adopted 
a lot of ancient "technology" where number sticks of any sort are 
irrelevant. That's the cat's meow for me.
DanK 


On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 6:55:24 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Not sure I want to try and learn that all over again. I let that out of 
> the brain more than 45 years ago. lol. 
> I remember what 19mm is and thats only because I grab a 19MM wrench 
> sometimes from my wrench set
> to twin up with 3/4. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 1:20 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I, for one, wish we had converted to the metric system a century ago!
>>
>> Instead, we have been stuck with a real mixed bag of crap when it comes 
>> to measurements - length, volume, weight, etc.
>>
>> Thank you Great Britain! NOT!!! (Sorry, Brigitte!)
>>
>>  
>>
>> If you know any cabinet shop pros (other than yourself) that have at 
>> least half a brain - they build in metric. 
>>
>> The math is SO MUCH EASIER!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tim, you need to drop your pre-conceived notions/opinions and build just 
>> ONE project using metric measurements. 
>>
>> You won't go back!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Jul 20, 2024 11:02 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Legacy modal 500 for sale. $300.00
>>
>>  
>> Yeah I am like you. I don't like the metric system so if possible avoid 
>> it like the plague lol.  
>>
>> Kind Regards, 
>>  
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> --
>> --
>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 9:25 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>  
>>> Hey one last note. For those people like me. (not good with the metric 
>>> system.) 1500mm (59") Is what I used depending on which rail you buy the 
>>> price range could be $48.-$70. for two rails and bearings.
>>> and for this 500. the 1000 (39 23/64") for $48.00 would be a cheap 
>>> investment for you Legacy. ;-)
>>>  
>>> OK!  Got'a run now.
>>>  
>>> take care everyone.
>>>  
>>> C.A.G.
>>> --
>>> --
>>> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 08:03:18 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>>> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hey Guys.
>>>  
>>> For the price, why not buy it and make your own Legacy/ machine, add 
>>> linear rail (which is cheap at this time on Amazon.) (
>>> https://www.amazon.com/OrangeA-16-800mm-2xLinear-Automated-Equipments/dp/B07D9JRPG9/ref=sr_1_9?crid=3O6ZOCZLMJVC1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5nF2kpC9e06d4Uazs8esNr37KqhEKq7OrJtMqdrmRq5LVibABLK1FpefcGGJ4Ro5vOWB2-aotUxGTiSagK_B4KBYm7aYuhsZdXN8WCaGUbf-EpPLsv4Qx0mXG9jlGRD20zjqwNxrvi4NloFWqiL7G46TSvPXcu9TLOfBqSGJl-VcE4Z71BBTJQOCYDOjD3LMP4WOXp9hV-NRtWkmgO7aIJNUJA36ETG8k2qhu9BMd5g.drP49xafjzj1fSCPD5L17zPPzIoPwFI9Q-6CJSwnomU&dib_tag=se&keywords=16mm+linear+rail&qid=1721476678&sprefix=16mm+linear+rail%2Caps%2C92&sr=8-9
>>>  ) So 
>>> you can make your own new, X,Y,Z axis's.
>>> The plastic gearing , although cheap  quality, compared to the steel 
>>> Legacy gears of the other machines, are useable, for most projects.
>>> While you are at it, why not switch or add a new acme screw to your 
>>> machine? I used a 5/8-8 on my 200 and love it, By adding a new screw you 
>>> can double the pitches you have with the gears. Perhaps a acme screw on 
>>> each side of the  Legacy would make things look cleaner, or add both on one 
>>> side to make it more convenient for using...?
>>>  
>>> I Have to run now.
>>> Legacy is not just a machine its an idea. Why not make your own? ;-)
>>>  
>>> C.A.G.
>>> --
>>> --
>>>  
>>> On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 07:41:23 AM EDT,  
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Nothing special just would be nice to have a few spares 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Sa

Re: Ornamental lathe for sale/Eye Candy.

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" "
""

(I'm speechless!)
DanK

On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 6:46:51 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Yeah lot of stuff there and would be fun to see all that he may have 
> turned over the years on it. 
> I think you or Curt should buy it Mac. It's only a mere $80,000 uda!
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 2:04 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
>> Holy Cow!!!
>>
>> And I look at one of the upper end Leigh Dovetail Jigs and think:
>>
>> "Wow!  There is WAY TOO MUCH to learn to get my money's worth if I were 
>> to buy this jig!"
>>
>>  
>>
>> By comparison, the Leigh's would be a very short "short story" compared 
>> to a book - like the complete, unabridged Webster's Dictionary!!
>>
>> It would take a study effort at the level of getting a college PhD to 
>> just begin to get creative with all that Steve J. has here.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Did you "earn" a PhD with this marvelous machine?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Jul 19, 2024 12:35 AM
>> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
>> Subject: Ornamental lathe for sale/Eye Candy.
>>
>>  
>> This is what Dreams are made from. ;-)
>> Enjoy!
>>  
>> C.A.G.
>>  
>> Steve Johnson has a Holtzapffel lathe, #1741 he is looking to sell.  he 
>> describes it as:
>>  
>> Not much is known of the history of this lathe, but it is one of the best 
>> equipped Holtz's still in existence, with a full height Cuban Mahogany 
>> cabinet equipped with fitted shelves for a wide variety of chucks and hand 
>> tools, and an under-cabinet of several drawers with the doors hung with 
>> Holtz turning tools. The lathe has riser blocks to allow for larger 
>> turnings than normal, and the bed is slightly longer than usual. There are 
>> also some Cuban Mahagony toolchest under the lathe (in the pictures) 
>> containing even more Holtz accessories, if I remember correctly a rose 
>> engine chuck, goniostat, and I forget the others.
>>  
>> Steve is asking $80,000.
>>  
>> The machine is located in Redmond, WA.  Transport or pick up at buyer 
>> expense. I can recommend local crating and freight companies if needed. 
>> Steve Johnson,
>>  
>> If you are interested, please contact
>>  
>> Steve Johnson
>> cascad...@gmail.com
>>
>>  
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Re: Red bone

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You are no doubt right about the difference in penetration.  Applying that 
kind of dye to wood I found it easier to keep control and thus easy to keep 
end grain in the same color range as the broad grain. I wonder if some sort 
of etch or perhaps a toluene solvent would carry better.  You'll figure it 
out.  
DanK

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 10:40:48 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> HI Dan
>
> The Red dye is what I used, denatured alcohol and powered dye for Rockler 
> (bought years ago.) 
> I was shocked that more dye did not pernitrate the bone.
> As I stated this was a salvage project, so no matter how it turns out, I 
> already have learned something new.
>
> I knew that bone could be dyed in the past. but one thing that I did not 
> count on is, MY bone is cut out from the middle of the farmer bone and I am 
> cutting the outer edges, not the center which normally carry's  the blood 
> and... I am starting to think as this bone like wood, the end grain stains 
> much better the the harder outer edges.
> Perhaps the bone that way I cut it will not easily take on a colored dye?
> Anyhow we will see, More latter.
>
> thank you for the suggestions.
>
> have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 08:11:20 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Methinks another method of coloring might be worth a try.  Aniline powder 
> dissolved in DNA (denatured alcohol) will penetrate most any thing that can 
> be penetrated. The density of color can be controlled by how strong the 
> solution is.  Methinks (without any experience) that if the bone were put 
> into the dye while hot, it would help penetration as it cools. I love 
> aniline dyes for wood.
> DanK  
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 11:35:01 AM UTC-4 Okla Mike (Liltwisted) wrote:
>
> Also thinking about Easter bones LOL use Easter egg dye with vinegar to do 
> the job.  That and the pressure could make it absorb.  It would have to be 
> a post process or else it will cut away the color during milling.  
> Mike OK
> On 7/8/2024 5:58 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Good morning Curt, Bill and all participating in this particular subject.  
> Sorry we were camping these last 4 days and having family time so I 
> stayed pretty quiet. lol. 
>
> So to add to this subject as for dying the bone a certain have you 
> considered a 
> pressure pot Curt? That is how the guys get dye and stabilization to 
> happen 
> in the game call world. Not sure the length of time it would take to 
> permeate 
> into bone but worth a try. 
> Just something to think about. 
>
> Kind Regards, 
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:51 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think I own blue? (the only reason why I own RED, was for an 
> repair job I did some 15 yrs ago.) I will go out to the shop tomorrow and 
> see what I have.  
>
> Latter this week I can go to Wood Craft and see what dye they sell.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:43:49 PM EDT,  wrote: 
>
>
> I don’t know red or perhaps blue
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 12:21 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Red bone
>
>  
>
> HI Bill
>
>  
>
> Perhaps? but I think the colors will only hold onto were the red is. but 
> that's only a guess.
>
> What color would you suggest TO try?
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:02:05 PM EDT,  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> How would soaking the bone in dye go for a more even color?
>
> ‘
>
>  
>
> Bill 
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 9:41 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Red bone
>
>  
>
> I agree with you Bill.
>
>  
>
> But in this case One bone had a red tint that just stood out to much.
>
> I figured, why not try?  I sanded the bones down and then stained them 
> with red dye.
>
> The dye only took ahold of the bone in cracks and in the one bone disks 
> where the red
>
> tint was already.
>
> This one is a learning experience for me.
>
>  
>
> What I did today was to try to repair any and all defected spindles that I 
> had made over the p

Re: Red bone

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Methinks another method of coloring might be worth a try.  Aniline powder 
dissolved in DNA (denatured alcohol) will penetrate most any thing that can 
be penetrated. The density of color can be controlled by how strong the 
solution is.  Methinks (without any experience) that if the bone were put 
into the dye while hot, it would help penetration as it cools. I love 
aniline dyes for wood.
DanK  
On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 11:35:01 AM UTC-4 Okla Mike (Liltwisted) wrote:

> Also thinking about Easter bones LOL use Easter egg dye with vinegar to do 
> the job.  That and the pressure could make it absorb.  It would have to be 
> a post process or else it will cut away the color during milling.  
> Mike OK
> On 7/8/2024 5:58 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Good morning Curt, Bill and all participating in this particular subject.  
> Sorry we were camping these last 4 days and having family time so I 
> stayed pretty quiet. lol. 
>
> So to add to this subject as for dying the bone a certain have you 
> considered a 
> pressure pot Curt? That is how the guys get dye and stabilization to 
> happen 
> in the game call world. Not sure the length of time it would take to 
> permeate 
> into bone but worth a try. 
> Just something to think about. 
>
> Kind Regards, 
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:51 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think I own blue? (the only reason why I own RED, was for an 
>> repair job I did some 15 yrs ago.) I will go out to the shop tomorrow and 
>> see what I have.  
>>
>> Latter this week I can go to Wood Craft and see what dye they sell.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:43:49 PM EDT,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> I don’t know red or perhaps blue
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 12:21 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Red bone
>>
>>  
>>
>> HI Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> Perhaps? but I think the colors will only hold onto were the red is. but 
>> that's only a guess.
>>
>> What color would you suggest TO try?
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:02:05 PM EDT,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> How would soaking the bone in dye go for a more even color?
>>
>> ‘
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill 
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 9:41 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Red bone
>>
>>  
>>
>> I agree with you Bill.
>>
>>  
>>
>> But in this case One bone had a red tint that just stood out to much.
>>
>> I figured, why not try?  I sanded the bones down and then stained them 
>> with red dye.
>>
>> The dye only took ahold of the bone in cracks and in the one bone disks 
>> where the red
>>
>> tint was already.
>>
>> This one is a learning experience for me.
>>
>>  
>>
>> What I did today was to try to repair any and all defected spindles that 
>> I had made over the past few years.
>>
>> I was able to salvage 3 bone handles,(Including the red bone.) there are 
>> still a few that I need to still try to repair sometime in the future. But 
>> at this time they will just sit and wait, for the day that, I either have 
>> to need, skill, or reason to spend the time to make there repairs.
>>
>> I am not hurting for bone at this time.  I just finished up another batch 
>> of bone disks, (appx 400) and just now made some 8 new glued up blanks for 
>> more fun, to come. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have a good day, everyone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> And Thank you Bill.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 07:00:45 PM EDT,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> It’s different but I think I prefer the all white my self 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 2:46 AM
>> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
>> *Subject:* Red bone
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hello everyone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> This bone turning had some red dye in some of the disks that could not be 
>> removed,(THE dye was from the red food coloring the supplier put into the 
>> bone) So I opted to stain the bone to match.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I don't know if I'm happy with this or not? but it dose look different. 
>> ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Please let me know what you thing?
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
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Re: wood bending with vinegar

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Well, I should be near dead then.  Still seem to be running on all 
cylinders. Perhaps at 80 I'm closer than I realize. I don't understand how 
all the people in CA survive with such dangerous stuff all around them... 
Thank you for the concern.
DanK


On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 4:59:46 PM UTC-4 Shuai Robert wrote:

> We just worry about you, not saying we know better. Should take care of 
> yourself so you can take care of everyone else 
>
> From CDC.gov
>
> Repeated exposure to ammonia, usually in the workplace, may cause chronic 
> irritation of the respiratory tract. Multiple exposures to ammonia have 
> produced chronic cough, asthma, lung fibrosis, and reactive airways 
> dysfunction syndrome (RADS), a chemical irritant–induced type of asthma. 
> Chronic irritation of the eye membranes and dermatitis have also been 
> reported
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 1:30 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
>> I used household ammonia which is not considered dangerous and is easily 
>> disposed. I guess it's a matter of preferenceI can tolerate ammonia 
>> vapors better than vinegar vapors.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 1:42:09 PM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I think I would rather breath vinegar than ammonia if it works
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Shuai Robert
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2024 2:27 AM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Fwd: wood bending with vinegar
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hello, I used a festool power planer + lee valley Scottish plane to 
>>> flatten oversized slabs that is over 52" wide, the dust is insanely 
>>> unbreathable.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> They were purchased by stack from France, fully fumed the entire 
>>> thickness approx 4" ?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bison timber in California placentia told me ammonia fuming is 
>>> considered outdoor treatment and they left this stack outdoor - mappa burl
>>>
>>>
>>>  The brown fumed smell like sausage , and the white one smell like 
>>> books, these words are from people blessed with smells, but the fumed smell 
>>> is strong for sure
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> For bending vinegar probably can be neutralized easily and not having to 
>>> wait a year for ammonia to evaporate and ammonia should be viewed as a 
>>> hazard substance for normal population for safety reasons I think.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 8:25 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ammonia acts like a catalyst in hot water to soften wood fibers and the 
>>> resins that bind them.  It does darken woods with high tannin content, like 
>>> oak. Ash and oak bend adequately with enough steam, but as mentioned, split 
>>> (riven) wood bends more consistently because the fibers are continuous.  
>>> Since the fibers must "slide" past each other a bit or be compressed, any 
>>> loose ends are gonna pop out and create a problem area. Patience is your 
>>> friend whatever you use.
>>>
>>> DanK
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 9:26:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Dan.
>>>
>>> I have used ammonia (Gas) to darken oak spindles on one of my Antique 
>>> repairs a few years back. It worked out very well.  But I did not know 
>>> about Ammonia and water for bending woods.
>>>
>>> Thank you for the INFO.  Perhaps this too will be a one day project for 
>>> me?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 09:17:09 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
>>> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I've not tried vinegar but I would not expect it to out perform 
>>> ammonia.  A cup of ammonia in warm to hot water will soften a 1/4" x 3/4" 
>>> strip of walnut enough to tie it in a square knot.  Ribbon bows are a piece 
>>> of cake.  I recently bent a sycamore piece 1/4 x 9 x 12 into a 1/2 cylinder 
>>> dome for a box lid.  The radius of the bend was about 4 inches.
>>>
>>> DanK
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>&g

Re: wood bending with vinegar

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

I used household ammonia which is not considered dangerous and is easily 
disposed. I guess it's a matter of preferenceI can tolerate ammonia 
vapors better than vinegar vapors.
DanK

On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 1:42:09 PM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Yes I think I would rather breath vinegar than ammonia if it works
>
>  
>
> Bill 
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Shuai Robert
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2024 2:27 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Fwd: wood bending with vinegar
>
>  
>
> Hello, I used a festool power planer + lee valley Scottish plane to 
> flatten oversized slabs that is over 52" wide, the dust is insanely 
> unbreathable.
>
>  
>
> They were purchased by stack from France, fully fumed the entire thickness 
> approx 4" ?
>
>  
>
> Bison timber in California placentia told me ammonia fuming is considered 
> outdoor treatment and they left this stack outdoor - mappa burl
>
>
>  The brown fumed smell like sausage , and the white one smell like books, 
> these words are from people blessed with smells, but the fumed smell is 
> strong for sure
>
>  
>
> For bending vinegar probably can be neutralized easily and not having to 
> wait a year for ammonia to evaporate and ammonia should be viewed as a 
> hazard substance for normal population for safety reasons I think.
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 8:25 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> Ammonia acts like a catalyst in hot water to soften wood fibers and the 
> resins that bind them.  It does darken woods with high tannin content, like 
> oak. Ash and oak bend adequately with enough steam, but as mentioned, split 
> (riven) wood bends more consistently because the fibers are continuous.  
> Since the fibers must "slide" past each other a bit or be compressed, any 
> loose ends are gonna pop out and create a problem area. Patience is your 
> friend whatever you use.
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 9:26:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
> Thanks Dan.
>
> I have used ammonia (Gas) to darken oak spindles on one of my Antique 
> repairs a few years back. It worked out very well.  But I did not know 
> about Ammonia and water for bending woods.
>
> Thank you for the INFO.  Perhaps this too will be a one day project for me?
>
>  
>
> Thank you.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 09:17:09 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I've not tried vinegar but I would not expect it to out perform ammonia.  
> A cup of ammonia in warm to hot water will soften a 1/4" x 3/4" strip of 
> walnut enough to tie it in a square knot.  Ribbon bows are a piece of 
> cake.  I recently bent a sycamore piece 1/4 x 9 x 12 into a 1/2 cylinder 
> dome for a box lid.  The radius of the bend was about 4 inches.
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> sounds good Curt, let us know your results if you do it.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave. 
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Foreston MN 56330 
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 8:25 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> The funny thing here is, I already have a few gal. of vinegar .  I use it 
> for a number of things, (such as a cleaner/descaler for mineral deposits.) 
>
> Perhaps once I get caught up with my project list? (the question is not 
> "IF" but when? I will be trying this out for my self. "One day".  ;-)
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 09:04:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Hey Curt welcome back. Yes we have some others going to try it so what 
> have we to lose right.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave. 
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Foreston MN 56330 
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1417

Re: wood bending with vinegar

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Ammonia acts like a catalyst in hot water to soften wood fibers and the 
resins that bind them.  It does darken woods with high tannin content, like 
oak. Ash and oak bend adequately with enough steam, but as mentioned, split 
(riven) wood bends more consistently because the fibers are continuous.  
Since the fibers must "slide" past each other a bit or be compressed, any 
loose ends are gonna pop out and create a problem area. Patience is your 
friend whatever you use.
DanK

On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 9:26:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Thanks Dan.
> I have used ammonia (Gas) to darken oak spindles on one of my Antique 
> repairs a few years back. It worked out very well.  But I did not know 
> about Ammonia and water for bending woods.
> Thank you for the INFO.  Perhaps this too will be a one day project for me?
>
> Thank you.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 09:17:09 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> I've not tried vinegar but I would not expect it to out perform ammonia.  
> A cup of ammonia in warm to hot water will soften a 1/4" x 3/4" strip of 
> walnut enough to tie it in a square knot.  Ribbon bows are a piece of 
> cake.  I recently bent a sycamore piece 1/4 x 9 x 12 into a 1/2 cylinder 
> dome for a box lid.  The radius of the bend was about 4 inches.
> DanK
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> sounds good Curt, let us know your results if you do it.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 8:25 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> The funny thing here is, I already have a few gal. of vinegar .  I use it 
> for a number of things, (such as a cleaner/descaler for mineral deposits.) 
> Perhaps once I get caught up with my project list? (the question is not 
> "IF" but when? I will be trying this out for my self. "One day".  ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 09:04:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hey Curt welcome back. Yes we have some others going to try it so what 
> have we to lose right.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:30 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone. (I'm back!)
>
> This story/vinegar bending is a new one to me!  I like it. 
> Nice find Bill.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 06:53:40 PM EDT, Shuai Robert <
> rober...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Also I've heard of ammonia or other volatile solvents working well in 
> vacuum chamber or might've been pressurized back in the day when they did 
> the experiment.
>
> So logic tells me I will try vinegar in vacuum chamber to help with 
> penetration.
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2024, 11:47 PM  wrote:
>
> Found this anyone done this? some of you guys might find it interesting
>
>  
>
> https://woodworkly.com/how-to-bend-wood-with-vinegar/
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
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Re: wood bending with vinegar

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

I've not tried vinegar but I would not expect it to out perform ammonia.  A 
cup of ammonia in warm to hot water will soften a 1/4" x 3/4" strip of 
walnut enough to tie it in a square knot.  Ribbon bows are a piece of 
cake.  I recently bent a sycamore piece 1/4 x 9 x 12 into a 1/2 cylinder 
dome for a box lid.  The radius of the bend was about 4 inches.
DanK


On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> sounds good Curt, let us know your results if you do it.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 8:25 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The funny thing here is, I already have a few gal. of vinegar .  I use it 
>> for a number of things, (such as a cleaner/descaler for mineral deposits.) 
>> Perhaps once I get caught up with my project list? (the question is not 
>> "IF" but when? I will be trying this out for my self. "One day".  ;-)
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 09:04:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Hey Curt welcome back. Yes we have some others going to try it so what 
>> have we to lose right.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:30 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone. (I'm back!)
>>
>> This story/vinegar bending is a new one to me!  I like it. 
>> Nice find Bill.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 06:53:40 PM EDT, Shuai Robert <
>> rober...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Also I've heard of ammonia or other volatile solvents working well in 
>> vacuum chamber or might've been pressurized back in the day when they did 
>> the experiment.
>>
>> So logic tells me I will try vinegar in vacuum chamber to help with 
>> penetration.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2024, 11:47 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Found this anyone done this? some of you guys might find it interesting
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://woodworkly.com/how-to-bend-wood-with-vinegar/
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: Rotary Table mod.

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Pics no problem here.  Thanks, Tim.
DanK

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 11:41:37 PM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Oh yes easy 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2024 1:15 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Rotary Table mod.
>
>  
>
> Thanks Bill and you saw the pix right?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 7:54 PM  wrote:
>
> As I said before brilliant Tim brilliant 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2024 9:40 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Rotary Table mod.
>
>  
>
> Good morning, 
>
>  
>
> As we have been talking about some mods to the mills here is one that I 
>
> did to help me repair a bowl I was doing on the lathe originally but after 
> blowing the bottom apart I needed to add a piece and recenter and re-round 
> it. 
>
> I had my brother make an adapter so I could incorporate the LongWorth 
> Chuck to it. I also needed to drop the rails down so I made a special set 
> that are mounted below the standard set of rails. Again all removable to 
> bring the machine back to it's originality. 
>
> See pix. 
>
> Questions welcomed.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
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Re: Eccentric milling

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This could be done with a four jaw machinist chuck with independent jaws, 
yes?  I have a small 4" four jaw chuck that will screw right onto the REVO 
drive spindle.  Indexing could be direct on the driven gear ring (factory 
stock) or with my high index count mod. Possibilities get wild with 
templates and bed taper
DanK

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 9:48:43 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Bill .
>
> Who makes that off-set chuck that you use in the video?  
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 09:43:21 PM EDT,  wrote: 
>
>
> Thanks Curt it was fun to do
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2024 10:10 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Eccentric milling
>
>  
>
> I am glad you re-posted this Bill.
>
>  
>
> I always liked the skill and craftsmanship you show in this video.
>
> Thank you.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 07:24:22 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>
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>
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUVSzVQqus&ab_channel=aussiman77181 
>
>  
>
> this came up in an email I received about Eccentric chucks  so I thought I 
> would repost this video its been over 2 years since I made this I first saw 
> the idea done on a wood lathe so I thought why not do it on the legacy so I 
> did, always good to show the many possibilities of our mills.
>
> this was done on the revo model only because the open front is good for 
> videoing nothing more, most of my videos were done on a revo for that reason
>
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> Bill
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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

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Thank you for posting these reference materials!  Would it be agreeable to 
you if I included this on the LegacyCharts spreadsheet I have been 
accumulating?  It makes for a handy local reference all things Legacy.  
DanK

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Again everyone!
>
> I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
> on his methods of indexing,  These methods have always worked for me in 
> the past. and I hope some of you will learn and try his methods as well.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s Crank handle indexing.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s Carriage travel indexing.
>
> As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.
> Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary TableAlternative Indexing Method for 
> Legacy Ornamental Mills
> --
>
> Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of indexing 
> the rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a drive shaft to 
> control the rotary tables motion the following indexes can be obtained with 
> the stock gear set. I have come up with what I believe to be a close to 
> definitive answer on the number of indexes available. They are as follows.
>
> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 
> 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.
> --
>
> The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times per 
> x-axis lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle 
> Indexing article. 
> 
> Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle Revolution
> GearNo. of Cranks
> A 8
> B 12
> C 16
> D 18
> E 20
> F 24
> G 30
>
> The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º increments 
> per revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks required to make one 1 
> spindle rotation by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the x axis lead 
> screw crank handle will need to turn to move the rotary table one 
> revolution. Each crank of the lead screw handle can be used as an equal 
> division.
> Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear set
> GearNo. of Cranks / DivisionsDegree Increments
> A 64 5.625
> B 96 3.75
> C 128 2.812
> D 144 2.5
> E 160 2.25
> F 192 1.875
> G 240 1.5
>
> These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example, using 
> the A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index the rotary 
> table every 16 locations. However as you can see by this example, it would 
> be much faster to index the table using a different method. Using the 
> numbers above, here are the possible indexes available for each gear.
> Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear Set
> Gear
> Divisions
> A
> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
> B
> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
> C
> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
> D
> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144
> E
> 2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160
> F
> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192
> G
> 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 60 , 
> 80 , 120 , 240
> --
>
> Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me - Tim
>
> Updated: 6/27/2010
>
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

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I had wanted an ornamental mill for many years when I first learned about 
them.  But they were beyond my limited budget.  Until a couple years ago a 
REVO came up for the right price within driving distance.  The size was 
right, too, but the most attractive thing was the extreme versatility of 
the machine.  It could natively cut a fairly wide range of joinery simply 
and accurately in addition to the twists and copy turning for which it was 
mostly known.  With the addition of a rotary table the range of my 
interests were largely covered. Being able to make special attachments that 
enabled detail work as fine as 18 LPI checkering has been rewarding. I was 
not and am not interested in CNC or powered moves, so this fits perfectly.  
Been very happy with it.  I've used it lately to "tease" a couple of young 
woodworkers' interests and creativity.  
That's my story and I'm stickin' with it.
DanK   

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:21:25 AM UTC-4 Mike Newman wrote:

> I bought mine to specifically make walking/hiking sticks.  Now i switch 
> back/forth making some on the LOM and others I'm hand carving out of 
> natural tree/limbs I find.  With the cost of wood these days it is more 
> expensive to play/learn using "bought" wood vs found wood.  I have got down 
> the basics but one issue I have bumped into is the LOM and tooling is 
> better suited for thicker projects.  With the walking sticks there is a 
> fine line between enough depth for the right visible effect and too deep 
> making the stick weak.  Mine is manual so there is alot of cranking for a 
> 60in stick.  Not sure a motor would help because always adjusting speed to 
> minimize vibration.  All in all it has been a success minus the cost of 
> wood.
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 5:24:05 AM UTC-5 Timothy Krause wrote:
>
>> Hello All, 
>>
>> I thought I would toss this question out to hear why you bought your 
>> ornamental mill. For me, I bought my first machine when I wanted to 
>> bring a different level of details to my current work. I was in a real 
>> niche market that I wanted to do some woodworking "tricks" that few 
>> people could figure out how they were made. 
>>
>> How about you? 
>>
>> -Tim 
>>
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Re: New X-4 gear set.

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I'm all in for x-4 and x-8 gear sets if they can be arranged to fit on the 
REVO.
And a reminder that the LegacyChartV11 spreadsheet was built to 
accommodate these ranges using Custom input and output tooth counts.
Looking good, guys.
DanK
On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 6:51:42 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> thanks Curt. This is the first chart I ever had when I started in on this 
> adventure. lol.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 10:02 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> This gear chart is form a Wood Chuck mill.  knowing the gears will help 
>> ...
>> [image: Inline image]
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:56:59 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> We did have a gentleman in our group, who made his own gear linkage a few 
>> years back.
>> his gear reduction set looks more like Legacy's 2000 & 2200 gear linkage. 
>> but his was appx. 4yrs before Legacy.
>> My set up is much simpler, It may have some draw backs? but With Simple, 
>> Others can pick up from where I left off. (modifying and or making there 
>> own parts.)  If its to complex no one will ever try to understand and make 
>> it. The main focus point is the learn and grow.
>> Here are some of his old photo's and a link to this topic.
>>  Joe Gassen  made a X8 gear set.  
>>
>>
>> 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/$20gear$20set$2F$20joe$20gassen/legacy-ornamental-mills/NRI4-q17xz8/RIIWbhMU078J
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:18:36 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> good stuff, Curt. Look forward to you testing it and seeing some results 
>> too. 
>> Very innovative. You just need to figure out how to add another small 
>> gear to make it directional. 
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 9:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone.
>>
>> Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all, 
>> Its just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.) 
>> The idea was to use the Legacy gears that I own to reduce the gears 
>> movement/ speeding the pitch up. 
>> This gear set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear 
>> set can be added to any of the other Legacy gear sets.
>>
>> And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch, 
>> If I add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.
>>
>> The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball- 
>> bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)
>> and a 24 tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a 
>> custom made gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.) 
>> I have not yet fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my 
>> testing tomorrow.)
>> The photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft 
>> and ball bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.
>> and third the full assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.
>>
>> I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: REVO small parts storage

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The drawers are about 1 1/2" deep, 3-4" wide and 6" deep.  The handles
are French cleats glued to the front.  It's memory test to remember
where I put what.
DanK

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 10:53:20 AM UTC-4 Ccm Ccm wrote:

> Very nice 
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2024, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
>> Hi guys.
>> Haven't melted or drowned in the heavy rains so far!
>>
>> Here is the finished small part storage for the REVO that I started a 
>> LONG time ago it seems.  25 drawers is a LOT of tedium for a shiny squirrel 
>> guy like me.  All cherry from the same board, plywood bottoms.  Hung on 
>> French cleat. REVO cut all the box joints.  Now it's a matter of "sorting 
>> potatoes". Deft lacquer finish.
>> [image: REVOSmallParts.PNG]
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Legacy 1000 for sale in TX

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This looks reasonable for what it is
Legacy 1000 

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Re: Roger's new work of Art

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Isn't it illegal to post such porn?  Just  wow!
DanK

On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 7:58:02 AM UTC-4 Jeff Richmond wrote:

> Wow,  nice work 👍
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 29, 2024, at 11:22 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> 
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
> Roger (Ccm Ccm) made these table, He told me that he could not get the 
> pix. size down enough to share with the Group.
>
> I think this is a breath taking work of Art. and I feel everyone in the 
> group. should see it.
>
> Good job Roger!  
> C.A.G.
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Re: New bones and newest project.

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You're cranking them right out, Curt! Is there a limit on how many
duplicates you make?  
DanK

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 8:21:00 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
>
> This weekend I finished cutting out some new bone disks. This batch is now 
> soaking in Hydrogen Peroxide. (Note the jar, that was a mistake, but one 
> that I like.) ;-)
>
> I also got some time to turn a new handle for my collection.
>
> Please let me know what you think? ;-)
>
> C.A.G.  
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Re: Place is dead. Some local action

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

That's just dope!  Looks like soft serve ice cream!
DanK

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 10:12:35 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Very intriguing Bill,
> It would be something I may be interested in making at some point. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 4:30 PM  wrote:
>
>> Here are a few more pics of balls off my ball cutting mod I made
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2024 2:07 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>>
>>  
>>
>> Keep on thinking like that Dan.   I LIKE IT! ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> I don't know if you noticed on Bills ball attachment. he latter made a 
>> pulley assembly
>>
>> So the Legacy's router carriage, would/could move the attachment in sync 
>> with the  gears.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G. 
>>
>> [image: Inline image]
>> [image: Inline image]
>> [image: Inline image]
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 10:56:09 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
>> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Oh look at the shiny object!
>>
>>  
>>
>> OK, that got juices flowing.  Suppose that router was swinging over the
>>
>> rotary table captive to a link to the frame. Hemispheres could be 
>>
>> decorated interestingly.  Then glue two of them together for a sphere?  
>>
>> H
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 10:40:25 AM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Now that router jig on LOM is almost pure genius.  And deceptively simple!
>>
>> He has it set to rock the router back and forth by hand.  What if it were 
>> linked
>>
>> to the frame which could use the lead screw to "rock" it back and forth?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes, my apple stir stick (aka spurtle) was turned on the lathe and sphere 
>>
>> approximated by eye and paper template.  The rest was REVO work with 
>>
>> six starts on a 7/8" dia shaft using a 1" rope cutter at 1/8" deep.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> My ball turning jig will first attempt use a stationary cutter in a tool 
>> post.
>>
>> But I have the means to adapt a router holder from my lathe copier 
>> template
>>
>> follower setup.  
>>
>>  DanK
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 9:24:25 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Were getting some cooler days now a chance to get some well over due yard 
>> work done for me and hopefully perhaps a little shop clean up
>>
>> to finally get some space to get a project or 2 started in my shop.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:48 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes that todo list never stops growing does it. 
>>
>> We are preparing for a large snow storm here so I may be snow bound for a 
>> day or two and that just might 
>>
>> give me some free time to play lol. Or plow snow...
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Yes it is I was toying with fitting it to my revo and changing out the 
>> cutting tool and replacing it with a router another project on my extremely 
>> long list of things to do 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:26 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> 

Re: Legacy 1200 for sale w extras west coast

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Maybe you have to be part of the group to view it?  I hope not.
DanK

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here is a Legacy 1200 
> <https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/2216844638661780/?media_id=0&ref=share_attachment>for
>  
> sale in CA.  Glad it's far away for me.
>
> DanK
>
>

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Legacy 1200 for sale w extras west coast

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Here is a Legacy 1200 
for
 
sale in CA.  Glad it's far away for me.

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Re: Place is dead. Some local action

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

That's exactly what I was thinking.  Didn't see that in OP.
DanK

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Keep on thinking like that Dan.   I LIKE IT! ;-)
>
> I don't know if you noticed on Bills ball attachment. he latter made a 
> pulley assembly
> So the Legacy's router carriage, would/could move the attachment in sync 
> with the  gears.
>
> C.A.G. 
> [image: Inline image]
> [image: Inline image]
> [image: Inline image]
>
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 10:56:09 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Oh look at the shiny object!
>
> OK, that got juices flowing.  Suppose that router was swinging over the
> rotary table captive to a link to the frame. Hemispheres could be 
> decorated interestingly.  Then glue two of them together for a sphere?  
> H
> DanK
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 10:40:25 AM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Now that router jig on LOM is almost pure genius.  And deceptively simple!
> He has it set to rock the router back and forth by hand.  What if it were 
> linked
> to the frame which could use the lead screw to "rock" it back and forth?
>
> Yes, my apple stir stick (aka spurtle) was turned on the lathe and sphere 
> approximated by eye and paper template.  The rest was REVO work with 
> six starts on a 7/8" dia shaft using a 1" rope cutter at 1/8" deep.  
>
> My ball turning jig will first attempt use a stationary cutter in a tool 
> post.
> But I have the means to adapt a router holder from my lathe copier template
> follower setup.  
>  DanK
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 9:24:25 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
> wrote:
>
> Were getting some cooler days now a chance to get some well over due yard 
> work done for me and hopefully perhaps a little shop clean up
>
> to finally get some space to get a project or 2 started in my shop.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:48 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>
>  
>
> Yes that todo list never stops growing does it. 
>
> We are preparing for a large snow storm here so I may be snow bound for a 
> day or two and that just might 
>
> give me some free time to play lol. Or plow snow...
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:39 AM  wrote:
>
> Yes it is I was toying with fitting it to my revo and changing out the 
> cutting tool and replacing it with a router another project on my extremely 
> long list of things to do 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:26 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>
>  
>
> That's a nice stoutly built jig for sure. I was looking at the Carter 
> originally. 
>
> That was the only one I really ever saw. 
>
> I like the way your's is built, Bill. It truly looks like it would offer 
> minimal vibration for sure. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:12 AM  wrote:
>
> Sphere turning jig for a wood lathe this is the best one I have found 
> https://www.vermec.com/store/p27/Vermec_Sphere_Jig.html
>
> It is what I have 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:03 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan,
>
>  
>
> Very cool. Yeah the ball turning I think fascinates all of us but some 
> like you pursue and win. 
>
> I am going to get a ball (sphere) turning apparatus at some point or make 
> one. Odds of purchase are higher lol. 
>
> That is a very cool stick you turned and I am very impressed. 
>
> Thanks for sharing too. Are you going to share your design or sell them to 
> others ?
>
> Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
>
>
> Kind

Re: Place is dead. Some local action

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Oh look at the shiny object!

OK, that got juices flowing.  Suppose that router was swinging over the
rotary table captive to a link to the frame. Hemispheres could be 
decorated interestingly.  Then glue two of them together for a sphere?  
H
DanK

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 10:40:25 AM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Now that router jig on LOM is almost pure genius.  And deceptively simple!
> He has it set to rock the router back and forth by hand.  What if it were 
> linked
> to the frame which could use the lead screw to "rock" it back and forth?
>
> Yes, my apple stir stick (aka spurtle) was turned on the lathe and sphere 
> approximated by eye and paper template.  The rest was REVO work with 
> six starts on a 7/8" dia shaft using a 1" rope cutter at 1/8" deep.  
>
> My ball turning jig will first attempt use a stationary cutter in a tool 
> post.
> But I have the means to adapt a router holder from my lathe copier template
> follower setup.  
>  DanK
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 9:24:25 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
> wrote:
>
>> Were getting some cooler days now a chance to get some well over due yard 
>> work done for me and hopefully perhaps a little shop clean up
>>
>> to finally get some space to get a project or 2 started in my shop.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:48 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes that todo list never stops growing does it. 
>>
>> We are preparing for a large snow storm here so I may be snow bound for a 
>> day or two and that just might 
>>
>> give me some free time to play lol. Or plow snow...
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Yes it is I was toying with fitting it to my revo and changing out the 
>> cutting tool and replacing it with a router another project on my extremely 
>> long list of things to do 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:26 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>>
>>  
>>
>> That's a nice stoutly built jig for sure. I was looking at the Carter 
>> originally. 
>>
>> That was the only one I really ever saw. 
>>
>> I like the way your's is built, Bill. It truly looks like it would offer 
>> minimal vibration for sure. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:12 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Sphere turning jig for a wood lathe this is the best one I have found 
>> https://www.vermec.com/store/p27/Vermec_Sphere_Jig.html
>>
>> It is what I have 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:03 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Very cool. Yeah the ball turning I think fascinates all of us but some 
>> like you pursue and win. 
>>
>> I am going to get a ball (sphere) turning apparatus at some point or make 
>> one. Odds of purchase are higher lol. 
>>
>> That is a very cool stick you turned and I am very impressed. 
>>
>> Thanks for sharing too. Are you going to share your design or sell them 
>> to others ?
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards

Re: Place is dead. Some local action

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Now that router jig on LOM is almost pure genius.  And deceptively simple!
He has it set to rock the router back and forth by hand.  What if it were 
linked
to the frame which could use the lead screw to "rock" it back and forth?

Yes, my apple stir stick (aka spurtle) was turned on the lathe and sphere 
approximated by eye and paper template.  The rest was REVO work with 
six starts on a 7/8" dia shaft using a 1" rope cutter at 1/8" deep.  

My ball turning jig will first attempt use a stationary cutter in a tool 
post.
But I have the means to adapt a router holder from my lathe copier template
follower setup.  
 DanK
On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 9:24:25 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Were getting some cooler days now a chance to get some well over due yard 
> work done for me and hopefully perhaps a little shop clean up
>
> to finally get some space to get a project or 2 started in my shop.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:48 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>
>  
>
> Yes that todo list never stops growing does it. 
>
> We are preparing for a large snow storm here so I may be snow bound for a 
> day or two and that just might 
>
> give me some free time to play lol. Or plow snow...
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:39 AM  wrote:
>
> Yes it is I was toying with fitting it to my revo and changing out the 
> cutting tool and replacing it with a router another project on my extremely 
> long list of things to do 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:26 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>
>  
>
> That's a nice stoutly built jig for sure. I was looking at the Carter 
> originally. 
>
> That was the only one I really ever saw. 
>
> I like the way your's is built, Bill. It truly looks like it would offer 
> minimal vibration for sure. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:12 AM  wrote:
>
> Sphere turning jig for a wood lathe this is the best one I have found 
> https://www.vermec.com/store/p27/Vermec_Sphere_Jig.html
>
> It is what I have 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2024 10:03 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Place is dead. Some local action
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan,
>
>  
>
> Very cool. Yeah the ball turning I think fascinates all of us but some 
> like you pursue and win. 
>
> I am going to get a ball (sphere) turning apparatus at some point or make 
> one. Odds of purchase are higher lol. 
>
> That is a very cool stick you turned and I am very impressed. 
>
> Thanks for sharing too. Are you going to share your design or sell them to 
> others ?
>
> Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 10:42 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Still working on ball turner jig and progress is being made.  Had to hire 
> machining help to cut a piece too big for me to cut.  
>
> But while letting those progress items simmer, I added to my utensil 
> supply with this experiment.  Turned out better than I was hoping.  See why 
> I want a ball turner?  This is from a piece of apple tree that is mostly 
> sap wood.  The interesting part is how much figure is in the sap wood that 
> cannot be photographed!  
>
> DanK
>
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Re: Mar bone turning 1

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Yes, Curt, one does get better with experience!  Those are nice looking 
handles and I'm glad you enjoy doing them.  
Ken, you and I were born the same year and it's still fun doing this stuff.
DanK

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 9:39:24 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hey Guys.
> Thank you both, Peter and Ken.
>
> Ken the real trick is to "Never" Stop. ( Keep the mind active, That's what 
> is important.)
>
> Have a Great day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 07:06:11 AM EDT, Ken and Diana <
> mman...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Curt George
>   I have a Legacy 900 that I am slowly getting enough pieces for it, 
>   I wii be 80 years young this year so a little slow moving ,still 
> enjoying woodworking and 
> seeing the results of others' work
>  Ken.
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 9:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hey there Ken! 
>
> Thank you for the kind words. ;-)  
>
> I am really enjoying myself, with these projects.  
> By using the template follower on my Legacy, really makes things much 
> easer,
> for me. but even with out, Having the ability of adding details like 
> roping, fluting,
> and using the wave attachment, Makes the Legacy a very special tool. It 
> gave me a
> LOT .  That I was missing (skill wise.), before I bought my Legacy 
> Ornamental Mill. 
>
> I tell everyone, to PLAY with your machine as much as you can, before you 
> try to make 
> anything serious. 
> Honestly, With these bone turnings that I have been doing, I can see an 
> improvement in my
> skills, as well quality of my work, over the last few years that I have 
> been doing this.
> I am getting better! and every time I learn something new, it again 
> becomes "Play time" for me.
>
> For me , LIFE IS to serious, Life weirs me down.  I need to escape every 
> so often, and this toy/tool/LOM
> is my escape form reality. ;-)  
> Here are are few of my first handles, and some of the newer one of today.
> enjoy.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 07:28:46 PM EDT, Ken and Diana <
> mman...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> very nice work I am enjoying seeing the end product.
> Ken
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
> Just made and used both a new template and used it on a bone glue up. To 
> make this handle.
>
> I used the standard gear set, cutting a 2" pitch, 4 starts, (1/2" spacing) 
> using my set-up blocks, then cleaned up some details and sanded on the Shop 
> Smith. Then I buffed it with white jeweler's rouge.
> Over all I am very happy with both the template and my newest bone turning.
> If anyone is interested, I can go into more details on both the bone 
> turning as well as how I have been making my newest Stainless steel 
> templates.  (NOTE: Warning I made 6 new templates this week. IT can be 
> habit forming, and a lot of fun.) ;-) 
>
> talk to you all more latter.
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> [image: Inline image]
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Re: Wave attachment.

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Now, for the basket weave.

Building on the wave notion but using a Y axis template instead and 
cutting with a pointy side cut bit, following the wavy template would 
result in an interrupted cut (periodic) on the side of a cylinder.  If 12 
starts were done at one template position, then with the template 
moved 1/2 the wave pitch for the next 12 starts on the alternate holes 
of the 24 hole index, the result would be a sort of basket weave. 

Holtzapffel, here we come.

DanK
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 3:50:54 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill, that is gorgeous!  And clever.
>
> I've just awakened from a nap and ivandea.  What if the arm that 
> connects the driver (A) to the driven index plate (B) has some slack 
> at B, say maybe 1/4". B would be pushed to move the work until A 
> started to recede.  The work would remain stationary (friction 
> clutch?) until B reached the far end of the slack (slot) in the arm 
> when it would start to move the work again, now pulling it.  The 
> wave would be interrupted by a straight segment between the + 
> wave and the - wave.  A simple mod to implement for yet another 
> variation.
> DanK   
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:59:00 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
>> Love the wave attachment so many options it can do even weird waves like 
>> these I did lol, from canes to pens 
>>
>> Even a wave rosette 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n6RmUS5dkY&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 3, 2024 1:43 AM
>> *To:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Wave attachment.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is part II
>>
>> These links are form Bill's web site. they show videos of both Tim's and 
>> His version working.
>>
>> (They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. these video's are 1,000,000 
>> times better.) ;-)
>>
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUtQKJQroo&t=43s&ab_channel=aussiman77181  
>> Bill's version.
>>
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrDwnY4VfgQ&t=501s&ab_channel=aussiman77181 
>> Tim's 
>> version.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6hnOHYgXs My/Curt's version.
>>
>>  
>>
>> and here are some photo's of mine.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have a good day everyone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 09:01:10 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hello and Good morning everyone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I was asked to explain the wave attachment IN more detail.
>>
>> First off Tim Krause took a design/concept from the OT world called the "The 
>> Atkinson Reciprocator" [image: Inline image]
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is the original posting of Tim's concept.
>>
>>
>> http://www.artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/waveattachment/waveattachment.html
>>   
>>
>> (the photo's did not copy in my posting, you will need to open up the 
>> link to see the photo of this article.)
>>
>>  
>> The TK Reciprocator - The Wave Attachment
>>
>> [image: Inline image]
>>
>>
>> *A modern day solution for creating reciprocated ornamental turned 
>> piecesusing the Legacy Ornamental Mill*
>>
>> *by Tim Krause*
>> History of the Invention:
>>
>> I developed the TK Reciprocator for duplicating a technique that is used 
>> in ornamental turning. The final effect is sine wave patterns carved into 
>> cylinders. By making three different adjustments, thousands of different 
>> wave patterns can be created.
>>
>> I was inspired by the original device invention created by an amateur for 
>> the Holtzapffel Ornamental Lathe. Mr. G.C. Atkinson named his version "The 
>> Atkinson Reciprocator". The name fully describes its function. In the 
>> spirit of amateur inventors such as myself, I named my creation built for 
>> the Legacy Ornamental mill the, "TK Reciprocator". The simpler name of, 
>> "The Wave Attachment", is now what it's being called on Google's Legacy 
>> Ornam

Re: Wave attachment.

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Bill, that is gorgeous!  And clever.

I've just awakened from a nap and ivandea.  What if the arm that 
connects the driver (A) to the driven index plate (B) has some slack 
at B, say maybe 1/4". B would be pushed to move the work until A 
started to recede.  The work would remain stationary (friction 
clutch?) until B reached the far end of the slack (slot) in the arm 
when it would start to move the work again, now pulling it.  The 
wave would be interrupted by a straight segment between the + 
wave and the - wave.  A simple mod to implement for yet another 
variation.
DanK   

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:59:00 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Love the wave attachment so many options it can do even weird waves like 
> these I did lol, from canes to pens 
>
> Even a wave rosette 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n6RmUS5dkY&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 3, 2024 1:43 AM
> *To:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Wave attachment.
>
>  
>
> Here is part II
>
> These links are form Bill's web site. they show videos of both Tim's and 
> His version working.
>
> (They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. these video's are 1,000,000 
> times better.) ;-)
>
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUtQKJQroo&t=43s&ab_channel=aussiman77181  
> Bill's version.
>
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrDwnY4VfgQ&t=501s&ab_channel=aussiman77181 
> Tim's 
> version.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6hnOHYgXs My/Curt's version.
>
>  
>
> and here are some photo's of mine.
>
>  
>
> Have a good day everyone.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 09:01:10 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Hello and Good morning everyone.
>
>  
>
> I was asked to explain the wave attachment IN more detail.
>
> First off Tim Krause took a design/concept from the OT world called the "The 
> Atkinson Reciprocator" [image: Inline image]
>
>  
>
> Here is the original posting of Tim's concept.
>
>
> http://www.artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/waveattachment/waveattachment.html
>   
>
> (the photo's did not copy in my posting, you will need to open up the link 
> to see the photo of this article.)
>
>  
> The TK Reciprocator - The Wave Attachment
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
>
> *A modern day solution for creating reciprocated ornamental turned 
> piecesusing the Legacy Ornamental Mill*
>
> *by Tim Krause*
> History of the Invention:
>
> I developed the TK Reciprocator for duplicating a technique that is used 
> in ornamental turning. The final effect is sine wave patterns carved into 
> cylinders. By making three different adjustments, thousands of different 
> wave patterns can be created.
>
> I was inspired by the original device invention created by an amateur for 
> the Holtzapffel Ornamental Lathe. Mr. G.C. Atkinson named his version "The 
> Atkinson Reciprocator". The name fully describes its function. In the 
> spirit of amateur inventors such as myself, I named my creation built for 
> the Legacy Ornamental mill the, "TK Reciprocator". The simpler name of, 
> "The Wave Attachment", is now what it's being called on Google's Legacy 
> Ornamental Mill group.
>
> During the same time, Curt George also made a wave attachment of his own. 
> You can search the archives for his design. It is much more robust than my 
> version.
>
> The goal of the reciprocator is simple. Convert a rotating spindle motion 
> to a back and forth motion. When combined with the spiral capabilities of 
> the Legacy Ornamental Mill, we achieve the same antique sine wave patterns 
> using modern tools.
>
> My invention is different from the original reciprocator attachment 
> developed by Atkinson. His design had multiple holes on an arm to adjust 
> the amplitude of the wave. In my version, I use a slide to create an 
> infinite variety of heights available in the wave.
> Installation of the TK Reciprocator:
>
> Installation is simple, and the parts can be left on the machine full time 
> if desired. First the slider and spacer are attached to the standard duplex 
> gear provided by Legacy. Four longer screws are included. The screws are 
> intentionally left long to account for varying thickness of the duplex 
> gear. Do not over tighten the screws. Once the screws are installed, file 
> them flush or slightly under the surface of the bronze bushing to prevent 
> interference with the sliding arm.
>
> The spacer and slider look like this:
>
> [image: Spacer and Slide Plate]
>
> Next, using the following components, install the connecting rod and 
> bushing to the slider. The allen screw and small washer are not shown.
>
> [image: Connecting Rod Hardware]
>
> The connecting rod is attached to the slider with the threaded locking tab 
> inside the groove of t

Re: Wave attachment.

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

This arrangement fascinates me and looks workable on the REVO.  It looks
like a solid design.  Have parts drawings ever been developed?   
DanK

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hello and Good morning everyone.
>
> I was asked to explain the wave attachment IN more detail.
> First off Tim Krause took a design/concept from the OT world called the "The 
> Atkinson Reciprocator" [image: Inline image]
>
> Here is the original posting of Tim's concept.
>
> http://www.artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/waveattachment/waveattachment.html
>   
> (the photo's did not copy in my posting, you will need to open up the link 
> to see the photo of this article.)
>
> The TK Reciprocator - The Wave Attachment
> [image: Inline image]
>
>
> *A modern day solution for creating reciprocated ornamental turned 
> piecesusing the Legacy Ornamental Mill*
>
> *by Tim Krause*
> History of the Invention:
>
> I developed the TK Reciprocator for duplicating a technique that is used 
> in ornamental turning. The final effect is sine wave patterns carved into 
> cylinders. By making three different adjustments, thousands of different 
> wave patterns can be created.
>
> I was inspired by the original device invention created by an amateur for 
> the Holtzapffel Ornamental Lathe. Mr. G.C. Atkinson named his version "The 
> Atkinson Reciprocator". The name fully describes its function. In the 
> spirit of amateur inventors such as myself, I named my creation built for 
> the Legacy Ornamental mill the, "TK Reciprocator". The simpler name of, 
> "The Wave Attachment", is now what it's being called on Google's Legacy 
> Ornamental Mill group.
>
> During the same time, Curt George also made a wave attachment of his own. 
> You can search the archives for his design. It is much more robust than my 
> version.
>
> The goal of the reciprocator is simple. Convert a rotating spindle motion 
> to a back and forth motion. When combined with the spiral capabilities of 
> the Legacy Ornamental Mill, we achieve the same antique sine wave patterns 
> using modern tools.
>
> My invention is different from the original reciprocator attachment 
> developed by Atkinson. His design had multiple holes on an arm to adjust 
> the amplitude of the wave. In my version, I use a slide to create an 
> infinite variety of heights available in the wave.
> Installation of the TK Reciprocator:
>
> Installation is simple, and the parts can be left on the machine full time 
> if desired. First the slider and spacer are attached to the standard duplex 
> gear provided by Legacy. Four longer screws are included. The screws are 
> intentionally left long to account for varying thickness of the duplex 
> gear. Do not over tighten the screws. Once the screws are installed, file 
> them flush or slightly under the surface of the bronze bushing to prevent 
> interference with the sliding arm.
>
> The spacer and slider look like this:
>
> [image: Spacer and Slide Plate]
>
> Next, using the following components, install the connecting rod and 
> bushing to the slider. The allen screw and small washer are not shown.
>
> [image: Connecting Rod Hardware]
>
> The connecting rod is attached to the slider with the threaded locking tab 
> inside the groove of the slider, and the connecting rod bushing on the 
> outside of the slider. The connecting rod should move freely on the 
> bushing. The opposite end of the connecting rod has a pvc block with a 
> split pin and a magnet installed in the face. The pin fits inside a hole in 
> the index plate, and the magnet holds the connecting rod in place.
>
> The slider assembly should look like this when completed. The duplex gear 
> is not shown:
>
> [image: Connecting Rod Details]
>
> The connecting rod should now be hanging down from the slider assembly.
>
> Installation is now complete.
> Basic Setting:In this section I will cover basic settings for using the 
> Wave Attachment.Setting the Pitch of the wave:
>
> Start by setting the pitch of the X-axis screw by choosing the appropriate 
> Legacy spiral gear. 4"-6" of pitch is a good starting point.
>
> See the notes at the end of the page for more information.
> Setting the offset:
>
> Loosen the allen screw and slide the bushing and connecting rod to the 
> desired offset. You can choose either side of the center of the duplex 
> gear. Lock down the allen screw. Do not over tighten the screw. A little 
> offset adjustment goes a long ways. Start with 1/8" to 1/4" to see what 
> happens. The 2" offset is really radical.
>
> *** Note, See the notes at the end of the page for more information on the 
> different effects of locating the bushing to the left or right of center 
> later.***
> Connecting the connecting rod:
>
> Next, place the split pin on the connecting rod in a hole on the index 
> plate. This will be used to lock the spindle to the duplex gear, and create 
> the back and forth rocking motion. It does not matter which hole you start 
> i

Re: Feb 5 bone turnings

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

I'm impressed.
DanK

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 9:18:15 AM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote:

> try this one i enlarged for you 
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:35 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Feb 5 bone turnings
>
>  
>
> Hey Curt,
>
>  
>
> Those are some extremely nice looking bone handles. 
>
> Thanks for sharing them.  You are truely the Bone turning Master.
>
> Can you take a close up of the one you used the wave attachment
>
> on?  I would like to zoom in on the pattern a little bit closer. 
>
> Great work as always. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 11:45 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
> Mills  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone. (Just got home form work.)
>
> Here are some of my latest turnings. 
>
> I am really having a lot of fun with my Legacy.
>
>  
>
> Any question or comments are, as always welcome.
>
> I am learning new tricks that are really helping me achieve
>
> my personal best. ;-)
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Legacy's Grand Daddy

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Thank you for posting this, Curt.  I have drooled over the machine 
and what it can produce ever since I first saw them (in a previous
 century!)  They represent exquisite machining and ingenious 
engineering, the result of a comprehensive understanding of complex
relationships.  Agreed, a true work of Art.
DanK 

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 9:05:14 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> For me this is "Eye Candy" 
> A Holzapfel lathe, the Original Ornamental lathe
> It works very much like the Legacy, there is a universal cutting frame
> that works like a router bit. it is powered by a belt/pulley system form 
> the over head.  
> The  curvilinear pattern bar works like a lathe duplicator/ our template 
> follower on the Legacy.
> It is a true work of Art. 
>
> Have a good day everyone.
>
> C.A.G.
>

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Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Well, Curt, if there's something wrong with that handle, only you
would know.  Nice recovery and the shape is interesting too!
DanK

On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 1:09:21 PM UTC-5 Ken and Diana wrote:

> I think that is beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
> Ken
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 11:59 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
>> Thank you Bill.
>>
>> Taking photo's of a white bone handle doesn't always come out well in the 
>> photos.
>> And in truth, the indexing gear slipped so my flutes are off-set. since 
>> they are next to a rope
>> sorta make it work, but if the rope cut was not there, this turning most  
>> likely would have ended up 
>> as garbage.  SO the concept, "Form Trash to treasure" ,works for me. ;-)
>>
>> Have a great day.
>>
>> C.A.G.[image: Inline image]
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 11:24:57 PM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Very nice curt I particularly like the lovely even white of the bone, 
>>  perhaps the flats could be a little more pronounce they are a little hard 
>> to see
>>
>> But other than that a A1 job  very nice.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:31 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Guys.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Unless there are some more people talking on this posting, I think I will 
>> let it drop for the time being.
>>
>> Today I did another bone turning, that, Over all I am pretty happy with.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bye the way, I counted all my Stainless steel templates that I made over 
>> the last two weeks, I have 14 templates. I was having so much fun, I forgot 
>> how many that I made. ;-) This bone turning was made form last 
>>
>> Thursday's lunch time break, template. 
>>
>> I roped the center part, and then fluted the two outside beads, and 
>> leaving the end beads just round.
>>
>> As I said earlier, I am pretty happy with this one. "Yes" there are some 
>> small errors in the process but, Perhaps 
>>
>> I am just to picky with my own work?
>>
>> "O"Well, I'm having fun. ;-) Another one down, appx. 30 more blanks left 
>> to do before I run out of bone disks. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have a good night everyone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 09:50:10 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Had the same problem today and yesterday. Tax time and boy its hectic. 
>> uffda. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 4:16 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> I got some time in the shop this afternoon. (between grocery shopping 
>> and laundry. I hate when LIFE get in the way of my wants. ) ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> More life stuff now.
>>
>> talk to you more latter.
>>
>>  
>>
>> here are the pix.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 05:10:38 PM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes very nice video on template following that one an option of the 
>> legacy quite often overlooked
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill 
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2024 3:45 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> I took these photo's out of a Wood Chuck training video, named Profile 
>> following. They show the template follower being used to make these 5 
>> spindles,  The neat thing here is they only used one very simple wooden 
>> template to make all 5 spindles.
>>
>> The template is just a general guide you can use it to make a copy of the 
>> original or use for the general profile to make something different. in the 
>> last photo you can see that all, are different but  share the same basic 
>> shape. By using different router bits, and cutting concepts (roping or 
>> fluting) the look can and will change.
>>
>> The ribbon twist (second for the right in the last photo.) is the most 
>>
>> dramatic, this cut was made from cutting form the side, using both a 
>> large straight fluted cutter, and using a LONG Pitch .
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkGSMtixW1c&t=2s  Bill made this video a 
>> few years back, showing the concept. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have a good day.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 06:16:50 PM EST, Curt George <
>> curt@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Jeff,
>>
>> using the template follower on the Legacy is not hard, but you will have 
>> to get use to cutting from the side of the work, to make the profiles.
>>
>> Here are a few Le

Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

" If I can get my shop wormed up today, I "

and may all your worms be cooperative!  LOL.
DanK
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 12:16:42 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Jeff, I thought I replied to you, but after looking an this posting 
> I can find the reply.  
> Depending on which machine I am using.  both of my Legacy's use a ball 
> bearing set ,1/2" as the follower.
> My lathe uses different shaped followers depending on the cutter that I am 
> using. 
> As I see it the Lathe is for exact coping/fine details, where the Legacy 
> is for just basic shapes. details can be
> added with the Legacy, but those details are done with the router bits 
> profile. so as long as my templates are true
> to the spindle, they do not need to be beyond just basic shapes.
> Note: having said that, I use both machine together on most of my projects.
>
> At this time, I am using my 200 more then my 1000,  This is because of two 
> reasons. First the 200 is made for smaller
> turnings, I can cut/rope finer on my 200 then I can do on my 1000 ( note: 
> not only size, but the 200 has a finer acme screw drive. 5/8-8 and the 
> 1000 has a 5/8-4 acmes screw.) But for larger turnings 1000 is the king of 
> the shop. and for very large turnings the lathe is the master. 
> (I can turn up to 8' on my lathe)  BUT having said that, for what I 
> normally do/make in the shop I can use and do use all my tool together to 
> get 
> the best quality of workmanship as I can.
> I hope this helps explain what I am doing, and answers your questions. 
>
> I made another 4 templates over the last two days.
> If I can get my shop wormed up today, I hope to be able to be able to play 
> with some of these new templates.
> Wish me luck. ;-)   and talk to you more later.
>
> NOTE: I am adding two pix. of my fine adjustment/template follower that I 
> made for my 200
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 8:10:35 AM UTC-5 jtric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nice, thanks for sharing Curt.
>>
>> What do you use for a stylus to contact the template?
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hello  Everyone.
>>
>> I had some free time today, so I made these templates for my Legacy, Only 
>> one has been tested so far, but I do think most of these should work well 
>> for my uses.
>>
>> I can use these templates on All of my wood working equipment, both of my 
>> Legacy's as well the lathes I own.
>>
>> Note: I see and use templates not as the final part of turning, but as a 
>> general guide for basic shaping of my spindles.
>>
>> Making stainless steel templates is not all that hard, by using an 
>> abrasive cutting wheel, and some hand files + a wire wheel to remove any 
>> burs...  the process is pretty easy. (If anyone wants to know more, Please 
>> ask.)
>> Tomorrow I hope to be able to try some of these out on some of my bone 
>> turning.
>> Have a good night everyone.
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: Another FB Market place Legacy sale.

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Had I seen this before getting the REVO, I probably would have stretched 
for it.
It's located just down the road from my daughter and SIL...  

M   ust   RE SIST!

DanK

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 7:12:15 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> And the best part is many items have never been used. It too has been on 
> here for a while. 
> Great deal for sure. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 11:29 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
>> OK Guys.  This machine here is one of the best sales that I've seen in a 
>> long time.  1500 with motor drive and a lot of extra's 
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1006397173945750/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A5f8022da-48da-4b49-8682-bf7c9d342b93
>>
>> [image: Inline image]
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: Legacy 900 for sale Face Book Market place. Seymour, WI

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Fakebook says the listing isn't available anymore    Did you buy it?
DanK

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 7:11:17 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> yeah that ones been on for a while. I am working on a couple guys local to 
> see if there is some interest in it too but...
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 11:23 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
>> This is Not the first time this has been posted, but the Price is more 
>> then fair.   If any of you all would like a nice machine, this could  be 
>> the one for you?
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1571681723364793/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A5f8022da-48da-4b49-8682-bf7c9d342b93
>> [image: Inline image]
>> C.A.G.
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Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

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Those bone handles are really nice. 
DanK  

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 5:44:33 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> As always curt beautiful work I do love your bone milling and I see how 
> the templates work well to get the great shapes well done buddy
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 6:47 AM
> *To:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>
>  
>
> Hey Guys.  Just got done playing with one of these templates.
>
> As you can see, its not an exact copy, but with the use of a template 
>
> I can rope on an tapper with no problems.
>
> bye the use of using a template with the Legacy, allows me to enjoy the 
> adventure
>
> of using my Legacy to its fullest.
>
> Legacy quote, "Legacy where your only limitation, is your imagination".  
> (AND I have an 
>
> very active Imagination.) ;-)
>
>  
>
> talk to you all more latter.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 02:32:21 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Hello Peter. 
>
>  
>
> Its been a while since we last talked.
>
>  
>
> The stainless steel for most of these templates are form an old kitchen 
> sink that was being thrown away.
>
> but stainless steel cabinets and or shelves are too always open for 
> projects for me. when I can find
>
> them. 
>
> Take care.  (and keep in touch.) ;-)
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 01:06:33 PM EST, 'par...@aol.com' via 
> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Nice work Curt
>
> Where did you source the stainless?
>
> Peter 
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
> 
>
>  
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024, 12:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
> Hello  Everyone.
>
>  
>
> I had some free time today, so I made these templates for my Legacy, Only 
> one has been tested so far, but I do think most of these should work well 
> for my uses.
>
>  
>
> I can use these templates on All of my wood working equipment, both of my 
> Legacy's as well the lathes I own.
>
>  
>
> Note: I see and use templates not as the final part of turning, but as a 
> general guide for basic shaping of my spindles.
>
>  
>
> Making stainless steel templates is not all that hard, by using an 
> abrasive cutting wheel, and some hand files + a wire wheel to remove any 
> burs...  the process is pretty easy. (If anyone wants to know more, Please 
> ask.)
>
> Tomorrow I hope to be able to try some of these out on some of my bone 
> turning.
>
> Have a good night everyone.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

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Those should be quite durable.  I like that you can use them on other
equipment.  I like that idea so much I have done that for a long time!
I'm a big believer in modularity, partly I guess because it satisfies my 
OCD.  
DanK

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 8:10:35 AM UTC-5 Jeff Richmond wrote:

> Nice, thanks for sharing Curt.
>
> What do you use for a stylus to contact the template?
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hello  Everyone.
>
> I had some free time today, so I made these templates for my Legacy, Only 
> one has been tested so far, but I do think most of these should work well 
> for my uses.
>
> I can use these templates on All of my wood working equipment, both of my 
> Legacy's as well the lathes I own.
>
> Note: I see and use templates not as the final part of turning, but as a 
> general guide for basic shaping of my spindles.
>
> Making stainless steel templates is not all that hard, by using an 
> abrasive cutting wheel, and some hand files + a wire wheel to remove any 
> burs...  the process is pretty easy. (If anyone wants to know more, Please 
> ask.)
> Tomorrow I hope to be able to try some of these out on some of my bone 
> turning.
> Have a good night everyone.
>
> C.A.G.
>
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Re: Start of a set, 1 of 2 sets.

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Only the handle was "carved" on the REVO.  The spreader blade was
"carved" on the belt sander!  These kitchen sets planned will have 
spurtles, spoons, spatulas, and the like, you know, kitchen stuff.  I 
have been the voluntary recipient of a small pickup load of rather 
large fruitwood trunks from the neighbors who know

They have already been gifted probably more than they want from 
the output. 

DanK

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 7:27:31 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Hey Dan,
> That looks great. No one has made anything quite like that that I'm aware 
> of. Great job. Glad the chart worked too. 
>
>
> Tim J Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork and Specialty
> Ziegler Laser WORX LLC 
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2024, 4:39 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Here is today's effort.  Second try, I trashed the first effort by 
>> misplacing the pin in the 
>> indexer!  But the chart was accurate and it's really convenient and 
>> stress free to have.  
>> Methinks the detail on end contributes heavily to the illusion of rope.  
>> One way to use lathe center mark...!!!
>> [image: SpreaderRopeTwist.PNG]  [image: SpreaderRopeTwistDetail.PNG]
>>
>> Apple wood, 3/4" diameter handle, six starts, Magnate 1" rope bit, 6" 
>> pitch. 
>>
>> DanK
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Re: Spring is coming, and so is Valentine's Day

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The attachment is a LibreOffice Calc workbook.  It should open correctly in
Excel.  It's the same file as before, so I'm not sure why it wouldn't work 
now.
Make sure it's version 11.2.  
DanK

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:58:59 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Everyone.  (just got home from work.)
> Very nice Dan.   I am having a problem opening your file.  (I am down 
> loading it now, and then perhaps I will be able to see what you have there?)
>
> I do like your vases.  Keep up the good work.
> Thank you.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 07:22:31 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hey Curt you see this? When you get home from work of course. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 3:32 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Well, it didn't take very long.  I didn't realize that there were still 
> external links
> hanging around in some remote formulas.  Got those fixed, so NOW the
> Legacy Charts 11.2 should work.  
> Can Curt or somebody remove the attachment of 11.1 in previous message
> to eliminate more confusion?  Please?
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 12:29:14 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I finished another vase this morning indexing 12 cuts around the 
> bottom and 5 cuts around the top to start the petals without changing
> the setup. Just used a different move chart.  Again, turned 
> on lathe, moved to REVO, then hand carved petals.  Apple and pear
> are very hard to carve.  They burn easily under power tools.
> So now I'm pretty confident that I have the vernier operation on 
> the 72 hole ring down pat and the charts I printed out are accurate.
> It goes fast when you know what to do.  And it's nice to have a lathe 
> adapter
> that holds the Legacy drive plate spurs. 
> [image: VaseApple.PNG]
>
> I am attaching Legacy Charts 11.1 with the completed and now 
> verified updates.  It seems that every time I post it, I find an error
> just after posting it!  Grandsons helped a lot with the underlying
> math.  It has a new sheet with the underlying development laid
> out and it is *only* for supporting the cells on "Vernier Operation" 
> sheet, and on the VO sheet there is only one cell to interact with.
> Many things not needed by the operator are hidden, and you will
> notice the output range changes depending upon how many moves
> the required index takes. The sheets are protected without password
> to prevent accidental changes.  You may have to unprotect the VO 
> sheet to select print range, otherwise it will print 17 pages of blanks..
> The "Vernier Operation" sheet has operation description and pictures.  
>
> With this setup, it's like having 30 (and more) index rings. In addition,
> indexing is done very precisely on the fly without referring to rulers
> on the frame.  It allows to make multiple passes or even incremental 
> offset passes while maintaining the full range of pitches the gear
> system offers.  
>
> I'll try to answer any questions.
> DanK
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:58:11 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Cant wait to see it for sure. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 7:44 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Thank you, guys.  It is a combo project, turned on lathe, decorated on 
> REVO with top cut 60° V cutter making 15 indexed 6" pitch cuts, and
> then carved on the top.  This is unfinished pear wood. I put Danish
> Oil on it an gave it away immediately to shop visitor, so didn't get a
> picture of it with finish.  Next one is already turned, indexed at 12 cuts
> because it is slightly smaller, and will carve on the top today a different
> style of "petals".  I already like it better.  
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 12:15:17 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
> Hey Dan!   That's Very nice looking flower pot/vase. 
>
> Did you rope form the side of the vase? (3/9"O"clock position.)
>
> C.A.G.
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 12:04:02 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Dan,
>
>  
>
> Very nice - thank you for sharing.
>
> Is this a "combination turning & carving" project?
>
>

Re: Spring is coming, and so is Valentine's Day

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Thank you, guys.  It is a combo project, turned on lathe, decorated on 
REVO with top cut 60° V cutter making 15 indexed 6" pitch cuts, and
then carved on the top.  This is unfinished pear wood. I put Danish
Oil on it an gave it away immediately to shop visitor, so didn't get a
picture of it with finish.  Next one is already turned, indexed at 12 cuts
because it is slightly smaller, and will carve on the top today a different
style of "petals".  I already like it better.  
DanK

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 12:15:17 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hey Dan!   That's Very nice looking flower pot/vase. 
>
> Did you rope form the side of the vase? (3/9"O"clock position.)
>
> C.A.G.
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 12:04:02 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Dan,
>
>  
>
> Very nice - thank you for sharing.
>
> Is this a "combination turning & carving" project?
>
> Turning the vase, indexing where the petals' start, center point, and end 
> points are while vase is still in the lathe using the indexing plate? 
>
> And then removing it from lathe and carving the petals?
>
>  
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Mac
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Feb 7, 2024 10:19 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Spring is coming, and so is Valentine's Day
>
>  
> Very cool and we appreciate all you are doing with those charts.  
>
> Kind Regards, 
>  
> Timothy J. Ziegler
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> On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 7:08 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> In the process of verifying the vernier operations of the 72 hole index 
> gear, I'm making several vases of different forms as the knife roams.  Part 
> of the process is discovering what looks good at the top.  This form 
> doesn't please me, so I tried to distract with some spirals at the bottom w 
> indexed dots.  The top has 5 petals and there are 15 stripes.  There is an 
> plastic insert so real flowers can sit in water.
>  
> Works a charm.  After a couple more are made, I'll post the latest tried 
> and true version of Legacy Charts.  It's frustrating to find errors AFTER 
> it's posted.  They're hard to find. 
> [image: Vase.PNG]
> The lazy Susan in the background was posted before.
> DanK
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Re: Bowl I turned

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Thank you for the picture, Tim!  It does look like a nice form, very 
useful.  I like
the simple forms with such nice looking wood.  Methinks is possibly luan, 
which
is soft, a little stringy, and resembles mahogany.  
When cutting, did you get curlies or mostly dust?  
DanK


On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:39:32 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Very Nice job Tim.
>
> I think the wood looks like mahogany. perhaps not African, but perhaps 
> Indian?
> https://readveneersltd.co.uk/web/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Mahogany.jpg
> [image: Inline image]
> C.A.G.
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 07:08:45 AM EST, Jeff Richmond <
> jtric...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Nice work 👍
>
> Looks a bit like mahogany.
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 7, 2024, at 6:48 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> 
> Good morning, 
>
> Not a LOM project, but could be. 
> Here's a shallow bowl I turned on my Lathe.
> Used all Easy Wood Tools Carbide insert tools. Species of wood I'll need 
> to look up. 
> Bought the blank from Cook Woods.
> Softer light wood. Good safe wax finish.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Tim J Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork and Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
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Re: New bone turning FEB24

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Just finished up a bowl?  No pictures, it didn't happen
DanK

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 10:00:33 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> you bet. here too. Just finished a bowl up tonight. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 6:14 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Tim
>>
>> taking pictures of this was not easy, What my eye can see the photo did 
>> not show up. But it did show up things that my eye's did not see, So I 
>> needed to bring it back into the shop and re-sand some of the body to 
>> remove the sections that I missed on the fire try. ;-)
>> Thanks Tim.
>> I do enjoy working with bone.  I like the way it looks as well as the way 
>> it feels in the hand.
>> There will be more bone turning in my future. ;-)
>>
>> have a good night.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 07:07:19 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Yes much closer pix and it does show up much better. 
>> Nice job. Thanks for sharing. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 5:28 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone.
>> the camera just dose not show up the details of this.
>> Here is one more.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 06:19:23 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> I found some time in the shop today. So I figured that its been a while
>> since I last turned a bone handle.
>> This turning started off as a three start rope , but after I decided to 
>> off-set it some and make it into a 9 start rope. So what we have is, A 
>> three large rope cut with 6 smaller off-set ropes in between, all done on a 
>> tapered handle.
>> Let me know what you think?
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
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Re: New bone turning FEB24

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That is an interesting form and the almost translucent material is really 
enhanced by the polishing.
DanK

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 8:32:07 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> I had already saved the pic and enlarged it to see the details better from 
> Curts first post 
>
> And like I said as always I love it another great one from the bone man
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2024 11:07 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: New bone turning FEB24
>
>  
>
> Yes much closer pix and it does show up much better. 
>
> Nice job. Thanks for sharing. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
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>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 5:28 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> the camera just dose not show up the details of this.
>
> Here is one more.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 06:19:23 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
>  
>
> I found some time in the shop today. So I figured that its been a while
>
> since I last turned a bone handle.
>
> This turning started off as a three start rope , but after I decided to 
> off-set it some and make it into a 9 start rope. So what we have is, A 
> three large rope cut with 6 smaller off-set ropes in between, all done on a 
> tapered handle.
>
> Let me know what you think?
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
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Re: cheapskate Z-axis

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Holy cow, Curt!  I don't plan to RIDE the thing!  LOL.  
That's a pretty clever solution to his application, though.  And, yes, 
ideas do 
come from just about any source, the unexpected ones are serendipitous.
Thanks for posting.  It's in the think tank. Would save having to get my 
foot
up that high, wouldn't it?
DanK

On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 12:01:34 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
>
> Just saw this short video on making an drill powered bike. his simple 
> hydric
>  drive, Could perhaps be used for your process?  
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wz0Bh9Tx3l8 
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 11:11:36 PM UTC-5 timjz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> yup now if I can find that Lee Valley jig that use to be available then I 
>> would not have to re-invent the wheel. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 4:54 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I like the foot idea
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 3, 2024 2:33 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: cheapskate Z-axis
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> what about using your foot?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:31 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The WoodRat is where the original idea came from.  I almost pulled the 
>>> trigger on one
>>>
>>> of those, but I held out for the LOM. My application involves 3 pieces, 
>>> a pivot pin on the
>>>
>>> router shell, a bent rod hooked into the hole for edge guide, and a 
>>> handle bar bored with
>>>
>>> holes spaced to let the handle go full range of plunge.  I have to 
>>> release the plunge lock
>>>
>>> with one hand while plunging with the other for now.  It works much 
>>> better than plunging
>>>
>>> with the knobs for me. 
>>>
>>> I can see potential for following a template with the plunge bar, but, 
>>> you know, baby steps.
>>>
>>> DanK
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>>
>>> yup and Lee Valley has or had a good idea too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 11:15 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Dan.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I like it.  
>>>
>>> This idea has popped up a few times over the years.(If you want to 
>>> check the archives?)
>>>
>>> The Wood-Rat system started off this idea yrs back, with there cam 
>>> router plunge bar design.[image: Inline image]
>>>
>>> Your design looks nice. Cant wait to hear how well it works.
>>>
>>> Do you have some way to over-ride the router locking bar? or is that not 
>>> needed?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 10:06:02 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Yeah I was going to incorporate a foot pedal for it. Lee V

Re: cheapskate Z-axis

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Damn, Tim.  I don't know what kind of Yoga you do, but I can't get my foot
that high!   
I know what you mean, though, LOL and it may come to that but I have to use 
it like this first. I may not like it at all, but it does seem easier to 
manipulate
the plunging action on this thing.  The spring is STRONG, so the leverage
offered by the handle is appreciated for repetitive work.  
DanK

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 10:33:43 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> what about using your foot?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:31 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> The WoodRat is where the original idea came from.  I almost pulled the 
>> trigger on one
>> of those, but I held out for the LOM. My application involves 3 pieces, a 
>> pivot pin on the
>> router shell, a bent rod hooked into the hole for edge guide, and a 
>> handle bar bored with
>> holes spaced to let the handle go full range of plunge.  I have to 
>> release the plunge lock
>> with one hand while plunging with the other for now.  It works much 
>> better than plunging
>> with the knobs for me. 
>> I can see potential for following a template with the plunge bar, but, 
>> you know, baby steps.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>>> yup and Lee Valley has or had a good idea too.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 11:15 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Dan.
>>>>
>>>> I like it.  
>>>> This idea has popped up a few times over the years.(If you want to 
>>>> check the archives?)
>>>> The Wood-Rat system started off this idea yrs back, with there cam 
>>>> router plunge bar design.[image: Inline image]
>>>> Your design looks nice. Cant wait to hear how well it works.
>>>> Do you have some way to over-ride the router locking bar? or is that 
>>>> not needed?
>>>>
>>>> C.A.G.
>>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 10:06:02 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah I was going to incorporate a foot pedal for it. Lee Valley had one 
>>>> at one time.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:54 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes I too will be watching with great interest
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 2, 2024 1:50 PM
>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: cheapskate Z-axis
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, let me know how that progresses. I was going to do the same thing 
>>>> one time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>>
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>
>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 4:30 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>>>> wrote:
>

Re: cheapskate Z-axis

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

The WoodRat is where the original idea came from.  I almost pulled the 
trigger on one
of those, but I held out for the LOM. My application involves 3 pieces, a 
pivot pin on the
router shell, a bent rod hooked into the hole for edge guide, and a handle 
bar bored with
holes spaced to let the handle go full range of plunge.  I have to release 
the plunge lock
with one hand while plunging with the other for now.  It works much better 
than plunging
with the knobs for me. 
I can see potential for following a template with the plunge bar, but, you 
know, baby steps.
DanK

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> yup and Lee Valley has or had a good idea too.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 11:15 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Dan.
>>
>> I like it.  
>> This idea has popped up a few times over the years.(If you want to check 
>> the archives?)
>> The Wood-Rat system started off this idea yrs back, with there cam router 
>> plunge bar design.[image: Inline image]
>> Your design looks nice. Cant wait to hear how well it works.
>> Do you have some way to over-ride the router locking bar? or is that not 
>> needed?
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 10:06:02 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Yeah I was going to incorporate a foot pedal for it. Lee Valley had one 
>> at one time.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:54 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Yes I too will be watching with great interest
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 2, 2024 1:50 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: cheapskate Z-axis
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yeah, let me know how that progresses. I was going to do the same thing 
>> one time.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 4:30 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Had an idea out of the blue motivated by difficulty with last project on 
>> REVO and inspired by next project.  I'm going to decorate a turned and 
>> carved vase and wanted a way to easily push the router down to stop because 
>> the plan will involve a lot of up and down.  We'll see how it develops.
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK
>>
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Re: Oval jig video

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

That's a relatively old technique of approximation.  I learned about that 
studying to do drafting of engineering drawings in the late 1950's.  I've 
seen that video posted on metal working sites I follow.  Didn't get me
excited.  I'm chasing Curt's shiny object in my head thinking how to 
squash it flat.  I'm attracted to the wide array of options that the 
sun-planet
gear arrangement offers, and the notion is compatible with the gear making
equipment used to make driver, duplex, and index gearing for the LOM. 

For example, if the planet-sun gear chain opens up to include "idler" gears
between, then the options for greater range of ratios and direction open. 
The notion of using a tiny chain system is doable, but limiting a bit, e.g.
change of direction.  Curt's "toy", an ornamental chuck, is an advanced
concept of this application. 

So how much gearing can be squashed into 3/8" vertical space under a
table constrained to linear movement as it rotates on another platform?
Any clock makers in the group?

DanK 

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:39:49 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Wow.
>
> Im not sure Im willing to throw away my jig yet ! ;-p
>
> That seems to be alot of work.  But Nice find, Bill.  Something like that 
> could 
> be handy one day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 11:23:46 PM EST,  
> wrote: 
>
>
> Ok so for those who don’t want to make curts oval jig here is a way of 
> milling an oval with just a rotary table and lots of math
>
> Dan you will love this lol
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSEPDHyr1LY&ab_channel=JoePie its in 
> metal but it could be done in wood too 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:23 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Oval jig video
>
>  
>
> Hello everyone.  (just got home form work.)
>
>  
>
> Thank you Dan for the kind words.
>
> The Funny/Ironic part about your video is that set-up was the first one 
> that I made for my Legacy (year back.) To make a long story short, I 
> worked, but not well, for me. I do believe that there is some commentary in 
> our archives, but that's ancient history now.
>
> I think my new version should work out well for me? But time will tell.
>
>  
>
> As a Side note. I too have another Pet project, that will be working on 
> your design elements like the spirograph you mentioned. (but one thing at a 
> time. ) (ovals before patterns.) ;-)
>
>  
>
> Have a good night.
>
> talk to you all more latter.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 10:19:55 AM EST, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I'm gonna stick my neck out here to repeat what I've said before 
>
> at the risk of disturbing Curt.  Now don't get me wrong hereI love 
>
> what Curt has done because without his realizing it yet, he has opened 
>
> a door to a world of complex designs.  Think spirograph. And he has 
>
> accomplished his goal of making elliptical picture frames.  And 
>
> combinations thereof.  His effort is NOT in vain!  He has successfully
>
> navigated through a complex field and reduced it to a workable simplicity.
>
>  
>
> If you are looking just to do something simple like make elliptical 
> picture 
>
> frames or turn elliptical bowls or platters on a low profile trammel this 
>
> can be done using principles from Archimedes trammel that does not 
>
> need gears. The hard part is to envision how to translate that motion 
>
> to a rotary table under a router.  I recognize that this video 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP2qxxoHCSI> shows exactly 
>
> that, and I have confirmed through animated drawings that this principle 
>
> will work on the LOM rotary table. 
>
>  
>
> Furthermore, the profile can be greatly reduced using T slots or dovetails 
>
> for accurate sliding for a total height  under 2" using 3/4" material 
> above 
>
> the metal rotary table.
>
>  
>
> The principle behind this is that there are two slots guiding captive 
> sliders.
>
> Usually the two slots are permanently at right angles and stationary while 
>
> the arm moves.  On the rotary table, the "slots" or sliders are at right 
> angles
>
> and  rotate with the table around a stationary off center pin while the 
> "arm" 
>
> (router) is also stationary. Granted, it takes awhile to envision and some 
>
> 

Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

What a great concept!  Hadn't thought of such a thing, partly I guess 
because
I haven't encountered the need.  Thank you for sharing it.  Now I have 
another "shiny object" to pursue.  

Me thinks youse guys are a bad influence on a tool junkie.

DanK

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Hey Bill,
>
> Very good looks like that works extremely great. 
> I have gone back and forth on purchasing one for my lathe too. 
> Like you said when you have other things to take off and on it's nice to 
> have it swing away.
> Great work on the install too. 
> Thanks for the video and the share. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 12:50 AM  wrote:
>
>> Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short 
>> video of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would
>>
>> Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down 
>> and away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like
>>
>> Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY&ab
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: Split nut tap

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

BTW, I checked my tap against the lead screw and they 
nested perfectly full length.  So the ACME tap which I think
I got from McMaster Carr seems correct.  
DanK

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:31:12 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Hey Tim Porter, 
>
> Not sure if you saw my email but I may have a length to sell.  What length 
> are you looking for? 
> You can private email me and we can possibly discuss this. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:55 PM Tim Porter  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill
>>
>> I spoke with Legacy this morning and they made their own lead screws and 
>> they were indeed square profile threads. This would make sense as the 
>> trapezoid profile would push the screw out of engagement with a load.  If I 
>> had access to a lathe I would make a thread chaser tool to rework the 
>> profile of my half nuts made with the standard acme tap
>>
>> Anybody got a piece of lead screw floating around?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Tim and Cathy Porter
>> 1902 Dandridge St  Apt 7
>> Sun City Center. FL 33573
>> 815-861-1505 <(815)%20861-1505>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2024, at 12:25 PM, Tim Porter  wrote:
>>
>> Got me.   Not sure where the machine came from, as it is far older than 
>> anyone here knows about but since we have the owners manual and stuff I am 
>> thinking it was purchased new.  I don’t believe anyone would have changed 
>> out the lead screws and I am pretty sure they have a square profile.  I 
>> will double check it when I go back in Wednesday.  I am going to reach out 
>> to Legacy to see if they can shed any light on it.   I am also going to put 
>> a notice on this board to see if someone had a piece of lead screw on hand.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> Tim and Cathy Porter
>> 1902 Dandridge St  D7
>> Sun City Center FL 33573
>>
>>
>> H. 813-419-4169 <(813)%20419-4169>
>> C. 815-861-1505 <(815)%20861-1505>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2024, at 12:05 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> As far as I know legacy never made a square thread leadscrew I didn’t 
>> notice that in your pics where did that leadscrew come from ?
>>
>> One of the members might have one they could sell to you to make it right 
>> or there are places that sell it I believe 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Porter
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2024 3:45 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Split nut tap
>>
>>  
>>
>> I took a closer look this morning while at the Woodshop and my half nuts 
>> were made with a tap that has trapezoid thread form, like a standard acme.  
>> The lead screw has square thread form, like a buttress thread.  I am going 
>> to consult my Machinery Handbook to find what is needed. But the difference 
>> between the two profiles is preventing the half nuts I had made from fully 
>> engaging. Diameters and lead are correct.  When I obtain the proper tap, I 
>> should be able to rethread my current blocks and be good to go.   BTW there 
>> is no reason these half nuts couldn’t be made from hard maple.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tim and Cathy Porter
>>
>> 1902 Dandridge St  D7
>>
>> Sun City Center FL 33573
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> H. 813-419-4169 <(813)%20419-4169>
>>
>> C. 815-861-1505 <(815)%20861-1505>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2024, at 7:04 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I bought a tap during the original discussion, but haven't used it yet.  
>> Now I'm hafta check.
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:59:13 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>> Looks good Bill and does look like the same company I bought from. I will 
>> try to look it up in my history too. But they sure worked great.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  

Re: Oval jig video

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

I'm gonna stick my neck out here to repeat what I've said before 
at the risk of disturbing Curt.  Now don't get me wrong hereI love 
what Curt has done because without his realizing it yet, he has opened 
a door to a world of complex designs.  Think spirograph. And he has 
accomplished his goal of making elliptical picture frames.  And 
combinations thereof.  His effort is NOT in vain!  He has successfully
navigated through a complex field and reduced it to a workable simplicity.

If you are looking just to do something simple like make elliptical picture 
frames or turn elliptical bowls or platters on a low profile trammel this 
can be done using principles from Archimedes trammel that does not 
need gears. The hard part is to envision how to translate that motion 
to a rotary table under a router.  I recognize that this video 
 shows exactly 
that, and I have confirmed through animated drawings that this principle 
will work on the LOM rotary table. 

Furthermore, the profile can be greatly reduced using T slots or dovetails 
for accurate sliding for a total height  under 2" using 3/4" material above 
the metal rotary table.

The principle behind this is that there are two slots guiding captive 
sliders.
Usually the two slots are permanently at right angles and stationary while 
the arm moves.  On the rotary table, the "slots" or sliders are at right 
angles
and  rotate with the table around a stationary off center pin while the 
"arm" 
(router) is also stationary. Granted, it takes awhile to envision and some 
props help.  I'm in the middle of a project now but this is definitely on 
the 
table for the REVO.  And there is the ball turner project ahead of this, 
too!

I'm really anxious to see the possibilities evolve through Curts efforts. 
Go Curt!  I'm cheering for ya!
DanK
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Thanks Curt. not sure that would be me though lol. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 10:40 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4c_yFmaHso&t=9s Foster Geisman video.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX12OFJHQlg David Springett
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAoM-CRZBNY Elliptical Chuck project.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4YseqnjWjs Tim2Dl...' Oval Elliptical 
>> turning mill. (*NOTE: he used a bike chain and a gear to turn his 
>> machine.)*
>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjaBYsAlwGc  Device for turning 
>> Elliptical turning.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSiD7lL8P_k  Planetary gear- elliptical 
>> ...
>> All of these video pointed in the right direction. But seeing the last 
>> two offered me a way to make it work on the Legacy.
>>
>> Now that the problem has been solved, It's up to your guys to tweak it 
>> and make a better working version for yourselves. ;-) 
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:17:26 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> HI Tim
>>
>> Spending on this project??? (most of it was re-work from the trash bin.)
>> The Linear bearing (Amazon) were $38.00 .
>> The Alum. plate $7.00
>>
>> That's it.
>> the concept came form a long time of studying.  
>> I have been trying to make this type of jig for appx. 6 yrs. 
>> I saw a video of Foster Geisman's Ornamental oval works, on You tube.
>> I have tried at least 5 times to make an oval jig. (all worked but not 
>> well.) I just couldn't make this concept 
>> fit/work with the Legacy. 
>> I just saw a different view to get this jig made , while reading a paper 
>> on the Geometric chuck.
>> (another Pet project of mine.) 
>> The hole thing just fell together for me, in my head, then it was just a 
>> short time to gather all the parts.
>> I made the wooden version a week ago, and then just a few days to re-work 
>> the gear linkage, to
>> come up with what I showed in the video.
>>
>> I know that Bill or anyone in the group could make the very same thing 
>> with out much problems.  
>> The hard part was understand, and working with in my limits of using the 
>> Legacy.
>>
>> Today I feel that there, could be better ways to get the same thing done. 
>> And if someone from the group would like to try, I will do my best to talk 
>> them through the process.
>> Here are a few more photo's.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:40:53 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Hey Curt, very cool I will have to watch that a few times to get a better 
>> handle on it for sure. 
>> I am very impressed with the concept. About how much did you end up 
>> spending on this project?
>> I can see this becoming like Bill said, one of the best additions  to our 
>> LOM's for sure. 
>>
>> Kind R

Re: Split nut tap

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

I bought a tap during the original discussion, but haven't used it yet.  
Now I'm hafta check.
DanK

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:59:13 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Looks good Bill and does look like the same company I bought from. I will 
> try to look it up in my history too. But they sure worked great.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 10:03 PM  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175270225800?hash=item28ceeb6788:g:zNUAAOSwGk5f4Z1a&amdata=enc%
>>
>>  
>>
>> this is the tap I would buy it looks like the one I bought but it is a 
>> trapezoidal tap so it will be 30 degrees and not 29 but because your tapping
>>
>> Delrin not metal there is a bit of leeway finding the exact correct one 
>> is almost impossible I looked for 10 years and of course you don’t know 
>> till you try it that it will work with a possible bad batch out there, I 
>> had to do that I took a chance and it worked, one last thing the 
>> recommended tapping drill
>>
>> Is a little small for Delrin and one degree out so 7/16 is what I used 
>> and it allows for the strange cutting properties of the Delrin. But all 
>> this is just what I would do you all must make up your own minds here is 
>> some Delrin I tapped 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOUW3xblB_4&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *bulk...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2024 2:05 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Split nut tap
>>
>>  
>>
>> So here is what I think, 4 threads per inch is 0.25000 of an inch pitch 
>> in metric that’s 6.350 mm so they might have made the tap at 6mm pitch 
>> which is 4.23 threads per inch and that will never fit our acme lead 
>> screws. That’s my 2 cents worth lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *bulk...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2024 1:44 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Split nut tap
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here you go curt 
>> https://www.rolledthreads.com/what-is-the-difference-between-acme-and-trapezoidal-threads
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2024 12:55 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Split nut tap
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> Its been a while, I have two Acme screw taps (5/8-4 and One 5/8-8 tap) My 
>> first tap was a home made tap. 
>>
>> I used a short piece of an Legacy Acme screw to make the tap. the other I 
>> bought on the web. some years back. (*I wasn't aware there were a 
>> different thread angle. I guess I just got lucky?*)
>>
>>  
>>
>> I was wondering if these home made split nuts made by Tim P. could be 
>> re-molded. or if it would be a waist of time?
>>
>>  
>>
>> *HEY. Tim P.  If you like, Send me the plastic, and I can try to cut them 
>> for you. *
>>
>> *I know that taps that I own fit my Legacy. If you can send me the part, 
>> I will tap it and send it back to you.  *
>>
>> *Send me a private E-mail at curt@yahoo.com  and I will GIVE you the 
>> mailing info.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 08:34:39 PM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I don’t know if I could find them again at the time I showed everybody 
>> the right one but I didn’t get much
>>
>> Interest so I didn’t bother keeping track only you me and curt bought 
>> them if I remember
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2024 12:00 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Split nut tap
>>
>>  
>>
>> Curt he simply needs a tap like ours so it matches the acme thread. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:34 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
>> Mills  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Tim
>>
>>  
>>
>> Your problem doesn't sound right?
>>
>> Can you explain what is happening with these split nuts? Or perhaps show 
>> a photo of your set-up? 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I would really like to help you. but I need to know/see the problem...
>>
>>  
>>
>> Dose the split nut fit the shaft if you lay it on the acme screw?  
>> Perhaps it was cut slightly off???
>>
>>  
>>
>> more latter.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 04:29:45 PM EST, Tim Porter <
>> imath...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hi Folks
>>
>>  
>

Re: Finger joints on the REVO

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Promised videos.  One shows process 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SBT1Huob8SRbCPN5kPb1sb5xum2QHB1m/view?usp=sharing>,
 
other shows results 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h1NOpRHSAQ7-BU0b1BZNhDgJpEaOhZyH/view?usp=sharing>.
  

DanK


On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 11:22:29 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hey there Dan.
>
> Very nice. I am glad to hear your Revo is working out well. ;-)
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 10:20:49 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Great job Dan keep up the amazing work. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 4:35 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Some frustrating dilly dallying around with cheap plywood finally
>  motivated me to plane some more "junk wood" cherry and make
>  all the drawers of solid wood. I'll not make that mistake again!  
> This cuts SO beautifully with no tear out, no backers, no scoring.  
> I'm working through making 25 little drawers to fit in the case, 
> 16 small ones and 9 larger ones. I'll have couple more pictures 
> and perhaps a video of this process. The accuracy is almost 
> unbelievable if one is careful.  These pictures show the assembled 
> case (less shelves) waiting for warm day to spray lacquer and a 
> little jig for squaring up the parts for pinning with 2 -23 ga pins to 
> hold a bundle of four.  The bundling makes quick work of cutting
>  the fingers on the REVO using the ruler to verify index spacing of 
> turning the crank.
>
> [image: Capture1.PNG]  [image: Capture.PNG]
> DanK
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:55:52 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Thanks Dan,
>
> Very interesting. That's how I envisioned it by what you explained. 
> great job and so glad it's working out like you hoped.
> Keep me posted in how it goes. It appears to be more meticulous than my  
> Omni Jig however. 
> I still want to do it just so I can say I did. loll
>
> Keep up the great work Dan. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 4:02 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> There was interest in how I used the REVO to cut finger joints.  So here 
> are some pictures:
> [image: Capture.PNG]  [image: Capture4.PNG]
> [image: Capture2.PNG]
>
> [image: Capture3.PNG]
>
> Using a 1/2" straight bit and the REVO frame ruler to verify positioning 
> of 4 crank turns for indexing, I cut two joints at a time with the bundles 
> offset 1/2".  Then turn them over and reset for the other two joints.  It 
> works out the best to pin the two sides together and the top and bottom 
> together in the orientation they will be assembled, then offset those 
> "bundles" under the clamps. I use the triangle marking system to keep track 
> of orientation. 
>
> The first clamp setup was very awkward because of clearance issues.  So I 
> reworked the clamping idea using my shop clamp system started and expanded 
> from Shopsmith.system. The second picture shows it to be much handier.  
>
> The other pictures show how accurate the results are.  I used no backer 
> board, but you can see that I did score a line where the bit exits.  Clean.
>
> Next up, a whole bunch of drawers.
> DanK
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Re: Finger joints on the REVO

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Forgot to mention...those slots for the shelves are French dovetail 
(sliding dovetail) and the mail parts were hand planed with a 
Stanley 444 dovetail plane.  Fun.

DanK
On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 5:35:53 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Some frustrating dilly dallying around with cheap plywood finally
>  motivated me to plane some more "junk wood" cherry and make
>  all the drawers of solid wood. I'll not make that mistake again!  
> This cuts SO beautifully with no tear out, no backers, no scoring.  
> I'm working through making 25 little drawers to fit in the case, 
> 16 small ones and 9 larger ones. I'll have couple more pictures 
> and perhaps a video of this process. The accuracy is almost 
> unbelievable if one is careful.  These pictures show the assembled 
> case (less shelves) waiting for warm day to spray lacquer and a 
> little jig for squaring up the parts for pinning with 2 -23 ga pins to 
> hold a bundle of four.  The bundling makes quick work of cutting
>  the fingers on the REVO using the ruler to verify index spacing of 
> turning the crank.
>
> [image: Capture1.PNG]  [image: Capture.PNG]
> DanK
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:55:52 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dan,
>>
>> Very interesting. That's how I envisioned it by what you explained. 
>> great job and so glad it's working out like you hoped.
>> Keep me posted in how it goes. It appears to be more meticulous than my  
>> Omni Jig however. 
>> I still want to do it just so I can say I did. loll
>>
>> Keep up the great work Dan. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 4:02 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There was interest in how I used the REVO to cut finger joints.  So here 
>>> are some pictures:
>>> [image: Capture.PNG]  [image: Capture4.PNG]
>>> [image: Capture2.PNG]
>>>
>>> [image: Capture3.PNG]
>>>
>>> Using a 1/2" straight bit and the REVO frame ruler to verify positioning 
>>> of 4 crank turns for indexing, I cut two joints at a time with the bundles 
>>> offset 1/2".  Then turn them over and reset for the other two joints.  It 
>>> works out the best to pin the two sides together and the top and bottom 
>>> together in the orientation they will be assembled, then offset those 
>>> "bundles" under the clamps. I use the triangle marking system to keep track 
>>> of orientation. 
>>>
>>> The first clamp setup was very awkward because of clearance issues.  So 
>>> I reworked the clamping idea using my shop clamp system started and 
>>> expanded from Shopsmith.system. The second picture shows it to be much 
>>> handier.  
>>>
>>> The other pictures show how accurate the results are.  I used no backer 
>>> board, but you can see that I did score a line where the bit exits.  Clean.
>>>
>>> Next up, a whole bunch of drawers.
>>> DanK
>>>
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Re: Oval jig testing

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What I'm curious about by mentioning different number of teeth on 
planetary and sun gears is the modularity of the rotations.  If they have
the same number, after one rotation the second rotation will travel 
the same path.  If the number of teeth are different by as little as one, 
methinks the path of the second rotation will be different than the first,
the third different than the second etc. until the number of rotations is
a multiple of the two gear tooth numbers.  Think Spirograph.  ???

Yes, it's nice to work in a shop where the greatest threat is my own 
stupidity followed by recluse spiders. 
DanK

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Yeah pretty scary having to worry about that. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:26 PM  wrote:
>
>> And we thought the danger in our shops were the machines lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 16, 2024 2:37 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Oval jig testing
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Guys.
>>
>>  
>>
>> No poisonous snakes or bugs any where around here Bill. ;-)
>>
>> But on the flip side, the Cold can kill you as fast as any snake can.
>>
>> the quote stating that , Discretion is the better part of valor is very 
>> true.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I too want this jig done and ready to show everyone. But I have to wait, 
>> perhaps next weekend?
>>
>> I can only Hope and Pray. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 10:05:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I can't take the suspense. lol 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 6:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Most likely next weekend???
>>
>> We will see.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:14:45 PM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Very nice curt a video showing it working will show all exactly what your 
>> explaining 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 AM
>> *To:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Oval jig testing
>>
>>  
>>
>> Woops.
>>
>> part of this message did not show up...
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is the hole message. (second try!)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> It's -5 outside today. (Thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it 
>> hit my area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p
>>
>> Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when 
>> I'm working, But today
>>
>> its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)
>>
>>  
>>
>> This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was 
>> doing/ how this jig works. 
>>
>> I think everyone will enjoy this info.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this 
>> jig work.  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with 
>> the table.)
>>
>> The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear 
>> when the table turns.
>>
>> the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the 
>> table. thus making an 
>>
>> oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the 
>> cutting. (at this time.)
>>
>>  
>>
>> I Hope the photo's help explain what is happening here?
>>
>> photo 1 shows the "Sun" gear lifted up, a post, is running through the 
>> ball bearing center. (its pined under the table, to keep it form moving .)
>>
>> photo 2 shows the linkage. (as the table moves the planate gear rotates 
>> moving the pin, making the table move back and forth as the planate turns 
>> around the sun gear.)
>>
>> Photo3  shows the planate gear/pin and table with linear rails.
>>
>> Photo's 4&5 show the over all set-up on my Legacy (Ornamental Mill.)
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 03:02:54 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> It's -5 outside today. (thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it 
>> hit my area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p
>>
>> Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when 
>> I'm working, But today
>>
>> its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)
>>
>>  
>>
>> This is

Re: Oval jig testing

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

This is all real cool, Curt.  Now my curiosity is aroused again, has it 
been 
considered what happens if the planetary gear doesn't have the same 
number of teeth as the sun gear?
DanK  

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:16:09 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Woops.
> part of this message did not show up...
>
> Here is the hole message. (second try!)
>
> Hello Everyone.
> It's -5 outside today. (Thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit 
> my area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p
> Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when 
> I'm working, But today
> its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)
>
> This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was 
> doing/ how this jig works. 
> I think everyone will enjoy this info.
>
>
> The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig 
> work.  
> The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with 
> the table.)
> The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear 
> when the table turns.
> the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the 
> table. thus making an 
> oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the 
> cutting. (at this time.)
>
> I Hope the photo's help explain what is happening here?
> photo 1 shows the "Sun" gear lifted up, a post, is running through the 
> ball bearing center. (its pined under the table, to keep it form moving .)
> photo 2 shows the linkage. (as the table moves the planate gear rotates 
> moving the pin, making the table move back and forth as the planate turns 
> around the sun gear.)
> Photo3  shows the planate gear/pin and table with linear rails.
> Photo's 4&5 show the over all set-up on my Legacy (Ornamental Mill.)
>
> C.A.G.
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 03:02:54 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>
> Hello Everyone.
> It's -5 outside today. (thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit 
> my area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p
> Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when 
> I'm working, But today
> its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)
>
> This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was 
> doing/ how this jig works. 
> I think everyone will enjoy this info.
>
>
> The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig 
> work.  
>
> The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with 
> the table.)
> The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear 
> when the table turns.
> the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the 
> table. thus making an 
> oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the 
> cutting. (at this time.)
>
> I Hope the photo's help explain what is happening here?
> photo 1 shows the sun gear lifted up running through the ball bearing 
> center. (its pinning under the table.)
> photo 2 shows the linkage.
> Photo3  shows the planate gear/pin and table with linear rails.
> Photo's 4&5 show the over all set-up on my Legacy (Ornamental Mill.)
>
> C.A.G.
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 09:29:28 PM EST, Curt George <
> curt@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hello Frank.
> The planetary gear has a is fixed  pin at this min.  But I will be able to 
> make it adjustable latter.
>
> At this time there is a 2" off-set. 
> The table is disposable, there are only 4 screw holding it down onto the 
> slides.
> I am using linear slides for the table. (in two photo's I used drawer 
> slide they worked but they got in the way of my Legacy side rails. so I 
> replaced them.)
>
> If all goes well, I will be making an oval picture frame, and latter some 
> small bowls.
>
> talk to you and everyone more latter.
>
> C.A.G.
>
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Re: The Legacy Oval jig

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Congratulations, Curt!  That is way cool.  Do I understand correctly that 
this oval is "fixed" for now but will be adjustable?
DanK
On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 8:17:28 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
> I got it up and working. There is still some fine turning that will need 
> to be done.
>
> But here are some photo's of what I did today.
>
> C.A.G.
>

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Re: Mesmergraph drawings

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Sisyphus is the name of a company that produces these devices. There may be 
issues with the company because Amazon reports them not available.
DanK

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 3:48:10 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Stumbled into this site <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs5GuFEjZIg> 
> showing something that looked quite familiar.  Doh!  That's exactly what 
> Curt is trying to make!  The official title for this process of Spirograph 
> type drawing is Mesmergraph apparently.  Kenetic sand sculptures have been 
> around for some time and I've never bumped into them.  My grandson is 
> fascinated by vertical falling sand in liquid sand sculptures, and I'm 
> betting he would go nuts over this. 
> Anyway, this shows the gear structure this guy uses if you can stand to 
> watch it. There are other rabbit holes showing how this is done with simple 
> PI computers.
>
> Stay warm.
>
> DanK
>

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Mesmergraph drawings

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Stumbled into this site  
showing something that looked quite familiar.  Doh!  That's exactly what 
Curt is trying to make!  The official title for this process of Spirograph 
type drawing is Mesmergraph apparently.  Kenetic sand sculptures have been 
around for some time and I've never bumped into them.  My grandson is 
fascinated by vertical falling sand in liquid sand sculptures, and I'm 
betting he would go nuts over this. 
Anyway, this shows the gear structure this guy uses if you can stand to 
watch it. There are other rabbit holes showing how this is done with simple 
PI computers.

Stay warm.

DanK

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Re: REVO storage

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Thanks for the template cutting offer.  Not needed yet.

This will be the second attempt at finger joints, the first having turned
 out equal to or better than indexed saw cut ones. Using walnut and a 
straight HSS bit, the tear out was far less than the saw and the accuracy
 was quite good just using the crank verified by the ruler.  Because the 
spacing was so accurate, methinks that I can stack cut the sides and 
the ends separately.  Usually I stack cut ends and sides together with 
offset. The current saw setup has severely limited width capacity because 
of a power feeder installation that I would have to remove (very heavy).  
But the REVO easily reaches 36" with no incremental creep like on some 
jigs. 
Well, the creep would be the operator.

The fun part of this has been using FreeCAD to design the case and drawers 
parametrically for the exercise of doing it.  This means that if I need to 
adjust 
a dimension that affects other dimensions (which ones don"t?) all I have to 
do is adjust a spreadsheet cell and the model recalculates everything. It's 
really slick.  Combine that with exploded part capability, a whole new 
world 
of planning has opened up. Shop drawings look professional complete with
title blocks! 
DanK
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:07:24 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Super excited to see how the finger jointing comes out. I have been going 
> to try it for 
> finger jointing at some point too. But I have the large 24 inch Omni 
> Jig so I am reluctant to 
> set up the LOM for it. Just know you're going to need a 
> sacrificial backup board on the exit side. 
> Even with Spiral bits I still get some tearout. 
> Let me know if you need any templates cut on the laser for that or are you 
> doing the indexing
> method? 
> Either way let me know. 
>
> thanks.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 11:20 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Curt for reposting the pics.  I didn't insert them as 
>> thumbnails, so will that make them adjustable?
>>
>> The tube under the router is a 4" dust collection (HVAC) tube hooked up 
>> to a 3 HP Jet cyclone.  I suspended the tube on chains (not really visible) 
>> so it can bump the ends of travel without stopping the carriage 
>> prematurely.  Combined with the plastic shield you see in front of the 
>> router that should take care of a high percentage of dust collection 
>> issues.  The connection to the collector is the flex tube you see, but the 
>> flex is currently connected to a 4" floor wand laying on my material cart 
>> behind. Hasn't been tried yet, but it's about to get a workout.  All the 
>> drawers and the container frame for the REVO storage will be finger jointed 
>> on the REVO.  
>> DanK
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:06:57 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> Lets try this Tim.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 06:51:12 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not able to open those pictures any bigger then on the page to 
>>> really see what you have 
>>> Dan, can you send them in a different format?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 11:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>> All Right Dan!  I like that storage area for the REVO!
>>> Good job. ;-)
>>>
>>> Bye the way, What is that galvanized ductwork up/under your carriage? 
>>> (some king of dust control?)
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 01:33:12 PM EST, cdkr...@gmail.com <
>>> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone.  So far so good for 2024.  (From a joke about a man who was 
>>> proving that jumping off a tall building was not fatal.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's the REVO storage board in all it's glory.  Made from shop scraps 
>>> and using up left over paint. It's completely sy

Re: REVO storage

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Thank you Curt for reposting the pics.  I didn't insert them as thumbnails, 
so will that make them adjustable?

The tube under the router is a 4" dust collection (HVAC) tube hooked up to 
a 3 HP Jet cyclone.  I suspended the tube on chains (not really visible) so 
it can bump the ends of travel without stopping the carriage prematurely.  
Combined with the plastic shield you see in front of the router that should 
take care of a high percentage of dust collection issues.  The connection 
to the collector is the flex tube you see, but the flex is currently 
connected to a 4" floor wand laying on my material cart behind. Hasn't been 
tried yet, but it's about to get a workout.  All the drawers and the 
container frame for the REVO storage will be finger jointed on the REVO.  
DanK


On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:06:57 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Lets try this Tim.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 06:51:12 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> I am not able to open those pictures any bigger then on the page to really 
> see what you have 
> Dan, can you send them in a different format?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 11:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> All Right Dan!  I like that storage area for the REVO!
> Good job. ;-)
>
> Bye the way, What is that galvanized ductwork up/under your carriage? 
> (some king of dust control?)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 01:33:12 PM EST, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hi Everyone.  So far so good for 2024.  (From a joke about a man who was 
> proving that jumping off a tall building was not fatal.)
>
>
> Here's the REVO storage board in all it's glory.  Made from shop scraps 
> and using up left over paint. It's completely symmetric so the back side is 
> available too.  The drawer unit shown previously will be next for 
> construction and will be nestled into the right side of the stand. It will 
> be show wood, probably walnut. I have a stash on reserve for other 
> woodworking tills, so I'll look for other if there's not enough to go 
> around.  It was a good exercise in hand tools.
>
> [image: Stanley46InUse.PNG]  [image: REVOwBackboard.PNG]
>
> DanK
>
>
>
>
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Re: New Year ahead!

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

The XY movement of the work piece Tim is concerned about is accomplished 
through the single direction movement of the slides as it rotates through 
the axial directions. Picture a pencil tracing an oval centered on an XY 
origin.  The X and Y coordinates of the pencil change continuously as the 
pencil traces the arc of the fixed oval. Curt's plan will move the oval 
(work piece) under a fixed pencil (the router) in the same fashion. One has 
to consider the effect of the rotary motion upon the X and Y coordinates. 
The Trammel of Archimedes does not need gears.  

But pursuing the gear option might open other more complex design 
possibilities. For example, if the two gears Curt shows are different tooth 
counts, the path of the oval will advance slightly with each turn of the 
table creating the Spirograph traces which will eventually repeat. The 
repetition is predictable by the modularity of the difference in tooth 
count relative to the larger gear. 
DanK

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 10:22:54 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Given the pictures you posted, I'm not sure that gears are necessary at 
> all.  If the center gear were simply a plate with a slotted arm (for 
> adjustability) secured to it (in a groove?) and if the arm had a pin in the 
> end to engage a hole in the plate sitting on the drawer slides, it would 
> move the plate back and forth as the table holding the plate (on its 
> slides) turned. A fixed point above the plate (the router) would trace an 
> oval whose axes differ by how far the pin is from center. Look up 
> "Archimedes compass".
>
> I mentioned an idea that popped into my head.  It is based upon a template 
> follower that moves the router frame back and forth on the X axis as the 
> rotary table rotates the template under a workpiece.  This opens up the 
> possibility of just about any shape the follower can follow.  Different 
> sizes could be generated using the same template by adjusting the arm 
> holding the follower, just like using the template (and follower) moves the 
> router frame on the Y axis.  An oval template would produce any size oval 
> workpiece of the same height to length ratio within the range of the table 
> clearance.  And it occurs to me that it's a dumb idea because one can do 
> that same thing with a template following router bit not even needing the 
> mill!  Doh!
>
> So, Curt is on a good path.  I'm wondering if by using the planetary gear 
> system one could produce patterns like the famous sketching toy did. It was 
> known as Spirograph and operated on a principle very close to what Curt is 
> trying to do. Producing different patterns might extend to producing gears 
> that are not round.  All kinds of possibilitiesbut one step at a time. 
>   
>
> DanK
> Ooooh look.  A shiny object! ,,
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:44:28 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Good morning Tim.  (Happy New Year to everyone!)
>>
>> The slides will move back and forth, the movement will be more to one 
>> side then the other, but the answers is Yes, there will be some movement in 
>> both directions.
>> I am hoping that the drawer slides will work for me? The basic design 
>> that I am basing my jig on, used dovetails for its movement. 
>> This is all trial and error time for me.  I feel pretty sure that its 
>> going to work, but...? We will have to wait and see. 
>> Wish me luck. ;-)
>>
>> More latter.
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 07:17:26 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Going to be interesting for sure. I'm looking forward to your progress on 
>> this one too. 
>> Does it need slides going both directions though? 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 9:58 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Dan.
>>
>> Lets not put the cart before the horse (so to speak.)  At this time ONE 
>> is all that I am planning to make.
>> But having said that, If you or any of the LOM group wants to try to make 
>> one after me, I would be all to glad to give them any help that I can.
>> The ONLY thing that I am running into a problem with at this time, is the 
>> adjustable linkage for the planet gear.
>> I want to make it adjustable, but I'm limited to space and How adjustable 
>> it needs to be? I could use a cam/lever to 

Re: New Year ahead!

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Given the pictures you posted, I'm not sure that gears are necessary at 
all.  If the center gear were simply a plate with a slotted arm (for 
adjustability) secured to it (in a groove?) and if the arm had a pin in the 
end to engage a hole in the plate sitting on the drawer slides, it would 
move the plate back and forth as the table holding the plate (on its 
slides) turned. A fixed point above the plate (the router) would trace an 
oval whose axes differ by how far the pin is from center. Look up 
"Archimedes compass".

I mentioned an idea that popped into my head.  It is based upon a template 
follower that moves the router frame back and forth on the X axis as the 
rotary table rotates the template under a workpiece.  This opens up the 
possibility of just about any shape the follower can follow.  Different 
sizes could be generated using the same template by adjusting the arm 
holding the follower, just like using the template (and follower) moves the 
router frame on the Y axis.  An oval template would produce any size oval 
workpiece of the same height to length ratio within the range of the table 
clearance.  And it occurs to me that it's a dumb idea because one can do 
that same thing with a template following router bit not even needing the 
mill!  Doh!

So, Curt is on a good path.  I'm wondering if by using the planetary gear 
system one could produce patterns like the famous sketching toy did. It was 
known as Spirograph and operated on a principle very close to what Curt is 
trying to do. Producing different patterns might extend to producing gears 
that are not round.  All kinds of possibilitiesbut one step at a time. 
  

DanK
Ooooh look.  A shiny object! ,,
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:44:28 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Good morning Tim.  (Happy New Year to everyone!)
>
> The slides will move back and forth, the movement will be more to one side 
> then the other, but the answers is Yes, there will be some movement in both 
> directions.
> I am hoping that the drawer slides will work for me? The basic design that 
> I am basing my jig on, used dovetails for its movement. 
> This is all trial and error time for me.  I feel pretty sure that its 
> going to work, but...? We will have to wait and see. 
> Wish me luck. ;-)
>
> More latter.
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 07:17:26 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Going to be interesting for sure. I'm looking forward to your progress on 
> this one too. 
> Does it need slides going both directions though? 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 9:58 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Dan.
>
> Lets not put the cart before the horse (so to speak.)  At this time ONE is 
> all that I am planning to make.
> But having said that, If you or any of the LOM group wants to try to make 
> one after me, I would be all to glad to give them any help that I can.
> The ONLY thing that I am running into a problem with at this time, is the 
> adjustable linkage for the planet gear.
> I want to make it adjustable, but I'm limited to space and How adjustable 
> it needs to be? I could use a cam/lever to make one-three oval sizes, at 
> this time. but I am not sure how I want to make it? 
> If you or anyone has any ideas, I would be grateful for any advice.
>
> C.A.G.[image: Inline image]
>
> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 10:45:51 PM EST, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Yes, I know about the "other" materials for peg board.  The object of my 
> game is to use as much as I can from what's laying around, and that 
> includes the paint I rarely use!
>
> Curt, you're on to something there!  It seems very workable!  And I would 
> want mine to be infinitely adjustable for the range it can handle. You're 
> making more than one, right?  :)
> DanK
>
> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 9:37:46 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> yup very interesting stuff for sure. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 2:47 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
> Thank you Ed.
>
> This Group was formed to help Legacy users achieve as much

Re: New Year ahead!

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Yes, I know about the "other" materials for peg board.  The object of my 
game is to use as much as I can from what's laying around, and that 
includes the paint I rarely use!

Curt, you're on to something there!  It seems very workable!  And I would 
want mine to be infinitely adjustable for the range it can handle. You're 
making more than one, right?  :)
DanK

On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 9:37:46 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> yup very interesting stuff for sure. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 2:47 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> Thank you Ed.
>>
>> This Group was formed to help Legacy users achieve as much as we can, 
>> by the use of sharing information and ideas.
>>
>> This Oval jig is just one of the ideas that I want to explore.
>> Here are some photo's of what I have up to date.
>>
>> This is what I have now.
>> Please let me explain what is happening here. (NO Video yet.)
>> the Rotary table turns with the Legacy headstock. My table has a
>> vacuum port in the center, Its not being used at this time, So I have a 
>> 1/4" rod running threw the vacuum  hole at this time.
>> The idea here is called a Planetary gear set.
>> The center gear is the Sun gear, and the other is a planetary gear. 
>> it moves around the sun gear, (like the planets do around our sun in this 
>> solar system.) What is a little confusing here is the table turns by the 
>> sun gear is
>> held in place by the use of the 1/4" rod .
>> The planetary gear will have a rod on it to push or pull the table as it 
>> moves around
>> the table. Making the Oval.
>> I am using 14" drawer slides to hold the top on this jig.
>> I do not have a cam/arm to adjust the ovals size made as yet. but 
>> everything works
>> as designed so far.
>> Here is a video that shows what I am looking to do.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSiD7lL8P_k
>>
>> Any and all suggestion or comments are welcome.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 10:23:42 AM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Curt,
>>
>> You inspire me !
>>
>> Thank you !
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Ed Trevillian*
>>
>> edn...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell 704-776-5591 <(704)%20776-5591>
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 31, 2023 9:42 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: New Year ahead!
>>
>>  
>>
>> This is an idea I've had for several years but have never taken the time 
>> to engineer the Archimedes compass mechanism.  I had a wooden "Bridgeport" 
>> router mill that it was to be it's first implementation, but I gave up that 
>> home built machine in the move to IN.  Now it will be interesting to see 
>> how you, Curt, implement this fabulous process.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm currently building a storage "wall" for the REVO to store all it's 
>> parts, a framed peg board panel secured to the back of the REVO stand.  It 
>> will be two sided and have a box of boxes (drawers) for which the REVO will 
>> cut the finger joints.  
>>
>> Have stalled out on the ball and nested bowl turner temporarily.  ADHD 
>> kicked in and some shop housekeeping (oh LOOK!  a shiny object) and now 
>> Curt's distraction. Life is hard.  But I'm eternally grateful for the 
>> privileges and opportunities we still have!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hoo boi.  An idea just popped into my head.   Must go write it down 
>> before I forget!
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 10:37:33 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>> Hey Curt
>>
>>  
>>
>> Super excited to see what you come up with with your new toy. should be 
>> an exciting time. 
>>
>> I will have to watch those videos tomorrow. Thanks for sharing this.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I have a bunch of wood projects going but nothing LOM related. 
>>
>> though I did round a couple spindles last night with my new spo

Re: New Year ahead!

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

This is an idea I've had for several years but have never taken the time to 
engineer the Archimedes compass mechanism.  I had a wooden "Bridgeport" 
router mill that it was to be it's first implementation, but I gave up that 
home built machine in the move to IN.  Now it will be interesting to see 
how you, Curt, implement this fabulous process.  

I'm currently building a storage "wall" for the REVO to store all it's 
parts, a framed peg board panel secured to the back of the REVO stand.  It 
will be two sided and have a box of boxes (drawers) for which the REVO will 
cut the finger joints.  
[image: REVOBackboard.png]
Have stalled out on the ball and nested bowl turner temporarily.  ADHD 
kicked in and some shop housekeeping (oh LOOK!  a shiny object) and now 
Curt's distraction. Life is hard.  But I'm eternally grateful for the 
privileges and opportunities we still have!

Happy New Year everyone!

Hoo boi.  An idea just popped into my head.   Must go write it down before 
I forget!
DanK

On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 10:37:33 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Hey Curt
>
> Super excited to see what you come up with with your new toy. should be an 
> exciting time. 
> I will have to watch those videos tomorrow. Thanks for sharing this.
>
> I have a bunch of wood projects going but nothing LOM related. 
> though I did round a couple spindles last night with my new spoil board 
> bit. 
> Works awesome. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:10 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> Just a short note to say hello and wish you all a Very Happy New years.
>> Hopefully 2024 will be a better year for all.
>>
>> Dose anyone have any "Pet" Projects coming up, that they would like to 
>> share?
>> I have a number of them that I will share as soon as they are completed. 
>> And ONE that is in the works now. 
>> I can and will go into details on this project if anyone is interested?
>> I found this Video of what One person did, I know that the same thing can 
>> be done on the Legacy, So last week I started on my version.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4YseqnjWjs 
>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cw6T2ZbYJuM
>> and how it could have been done.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjaBYsAlwGc
>>
>> If all goes well, I should have it done Early Next year. ;-)
>>
>> Lets hear what you think?
>>
>> talk to you all more latter.
>> have a good night. and a Happy New Year.
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Thank you for the working link, Mike.  It's a pretty strong two hour hike 
from here and
I don't have the interest or money to do it now.  Wife retired from full 
time work and today
was last day, so we tighten our belts quite a bit. 
DanK

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:20:24 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> hmmm a bit of a jont from here. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:05 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
>> Appears to be back up on FB.  I don't do FB - but I was able to see the 
>> Mill and it opens with a video "tour running.
>>
>> Looks to be a great machine/buy for someone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Happy New Year to all of ya'll.
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 29, 2023 7:00 AM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN
>>
>>  
>> Expired for me as well, hopefully someone from the group picked it up or 
>> maybe we will have a new member soon. 
>>  
>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 6:50 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>
>> John, that listing shows as "expired" on reaching it.  ???  I shouldn't 
>> be interested, so no worries.
>> DanK
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 12:24:32 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>>  
>>> Looks like a GREAT Mill !
>>>  
>>> Ball bearing headstock, motor drive, router and turn/rotary table. Self 
>>> standing with adjustable bed, + the mobility kit . 
>>> And it looks like there are some extra goodies in the box. (perhaps 
>>> horizontal vice or steady rest...?) 
>>>  
>>> This machine can do a lot!
>>>  
>>> C.A.G.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 11:43:25 PM EST, John Gonzo <
>>> jgwoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> This one is In Batesville IN.
>>>  
>>> [image: No photo description available.]
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/720684306615888/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_general&referral_story_type=general&tracking=%7B%22qid%22%3A%22-2817927832422882671%22%2C%22mf_story_key%22%3A%227216088508255890697%22%2C%22commerce_rank_obj%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22target_id%5C%22%3A7216088508255890697%2C%5C%22target_type%5C%22%3A6%2C%5C%22primary_position%5C%22%3A133%2C%5C%22ranking_signature%5C%22%3A8500818345122445851%2C%5C%22commerce_channel%5C%22%3A501%2C%5C%22value%5C%22%3A4.1313255972815e-5%2C%5C%22upsell_type%5C%22%3A129%2C%5C%22candidate_retrieval_source_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%226665417240223478%5C%22%3A3016%7D%2C%5C%22grouping_info%5C%22%3Anull%7D%22%2C%22lightning_feed_qid%22%3A%22-2818171648996029038%22%2C%22lightning_feed_ranking_signature%22%3A%228500818345122445851%22%2C%22ftmd_400706%22%3A%2212l%22%7D
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 2:12:06 PM UTC-8 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>>
>>> lol for sure.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards, 
>>>  
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>  
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 11:01 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Now if it was an Evolution
>>> DanK
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good idea, Curt!  What a Z axis that would be.  Would make Tim the 
>>> Toolman Taylor proud!
>>> I am not tempted for several reasons.  It's out of my budget range, I 
>>> don't have the space in
>>> shop or van, and it's almost 5 hours away.  
>>> DanK
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>> Good morning everyone.
>>>  
>>> Tim, If  you put this Legacy on its end, the foot print will take less 
>>> room in your shop. ;-p
>>>  
>>> C.A.G.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 07:39:09 AM EST, Jeff Richmond <
>&g

Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Don't know how that link works for some and not others.  Still couldn't see 
it.  But
did find another one for sale 
<https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/260228026961122/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ad7178cce-9cb4-4fcd-839b-9787b5aeb56f>

DanK
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 12:05:00 PM UTC-5 M.W.Foscue wrote:

> Appears to be back up on FB.  I don't do FB - but I was able to see the 
> Mill and it opens with a video "tour running.
>
> Looks to be a great machine/buy for someone.
>
>  
>
> Happy New Year to all of ya'll.
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 29, 2023 7:00 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN
>
>  
> Expired for me as well, hopefully someone from the group picked it up or 
> maybe we will have a new member soon. 
>  
> Jeff from Connecticut 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 29, 2023, at 6:50 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> John, that listing shows as "expired" on reaching it.  ???  I shouldn't be 
> interested, so no worries.
> DanK
>  
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 12:24:32 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
>>  
>> Looks like a GREAT Mill !
>>  
>> Ball bearing headstock, motor drive, router and turn/rotary table. Self 
>> standing with adjustable bed, + the mobility kit . 
>> And it looks like there are some extra goodies in the box. (perhaps 
>> horizontal vice or steady rest...?) 
>>  
>> This machine can do a lot!
>>  
>> C.A.G.
>>  
>>  
>> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 11:43:25 PM EST, John Gonzo <
>> jgwoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> This one is In Batesville IN.
>>  
>> [image: No photo description available.]
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/720684306615888/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_general&referral_story_type=general&tracking=%7B%22qid%22%3A%22-2817927832422882671%22%2C%22mf_story_key%22%3A%227216088508255890697%22%2C%22commerce_rank_obj%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22target_id%5C%22%3A7216088508255890697%2C%5C%22target_type%5C%22%3A6%2C%5C%22primary_position%5C%22%3A133%2C%5C%22ranking_signature%5C%22%3A8500818345122445851%2C%5C%22commerce_channel%5C%22%3A501%2C%5C%22value%5C%22%3A4.1313255972815e-5%2C%5C%22upsell_type%5C%22%3A129%2C%5C%22candidate_retrieval_source_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%226665417240223478%5C%22%3A3016%7D%2C%5C%22grouping_info%5C%22%3Anull%7D%22%2C%22lightning_feed_qid%22%3A%22-2818171648996029038%22%2C%22lightning_feed_ranking_signature%22%3A%228500818345122445851%22%2C%22ftmd_400706%22%3A%2212l%22%7D
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 2:12:06 PM UTC-8 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>> lol for sure.
>>
>> Kind Regards, 
>>  
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>  
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 11:01 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Now if it was an Evolution
>> DanK
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good idea, Curt!  What a Z axis that would be.  Would make Tim the 
>> Toolman Taylor proud!
>> I am not tempted for several reasons.  It's out of my budget range, I 
>> don't have the space in
>> shop or van, and it's almost 5 hours away.  
>> DanK
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>  
>> Good morning everyone.
>>  
>> Tim, If  you put this Legacy on its end, the foot print will take less 
>> room in your shop. ;-p
>>  
>> C.A.G.
>>  
>>  
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 07:39:09 AM EST, Jeff Richmond <
>> jtric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Nice machine. Too far for me. 
>>  
>> Tim, no more room in the shop? Time for a mezzanine, lol.
>>  
>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2023, at 6:55 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful Machine, but even I would not have the space for that one. Yes 
>> reasonable price for what your getting.  
>> Surprisingly no Z access on that big of machine. 
>> Kind Regards, 
>>  
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>> 

Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

John, that listing shows as "expired" on reaching it.  ???  I shouldn't be 
interested, so no worries.
DanK


On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 12:24:32 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Looks like a GREAT Mill !
>
> Ball bearing headstock, motor drive, router and turn/rotary table. Self 
> standing with adjustable bed, + the mobility kit . 
> And it looks like there are some extra goodies in the box. (perhaps 
> horizontal vice or steady rest...?) 
>
> This machine can do a lot!
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 11:43:25 PM EST, John Gonzo <
> jgwoo...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> This one is In Batesville IN.
>
> [image: No photo description available.]
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/720684306615888/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_general&referral_story_type=general&tracking=%7B%22qid%22%3A%22-2817927832422882671%22%2C%22mf_story_key%22%3A%227216088508255890697%22%2C%22commerce_rank_obj%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22target_id%5C%22%3A7216088508255890697%2C%5C%22target_type%5C%22%3A6%2C%5C%22primary_position%5C%22%3A133%2C%5C%22ranking_signature%5C%22%3A8500818345122445851%2C%5C%22commerce_channel%5C%22%3A501%2C%5C%22value%5C%22%3A4.1313255972815e-5%2C%5C%22upsell_type%5C%22%3A129%2C%5C%22candidate_retrieval_source_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%226665417240223478%5C%22%3A3016%7D%2C%5C%22grouping_info%5C%22%3Anull%7D%22%2C%22lightning_feed_qid%22%3A%22-2818171648996029038%22%2C%22lightning_feed_ranking_signature%22%3A%228500818345122445851%22%2C%22ftmd_400706%22%3A%2212l%22%7D
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 2:12:06 PM UTC-8 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> lol for sure.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 11:01 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Now if it was an Evolution
> DanK
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Good idea, Curt!  What a Z axis that would be.  Would make Tim the Toolman 
> Taylor proud!
> I am not tempted for several reasons.  It's out of my budget range, I 
> don't have the space in
> shop or van, and it's almost 5 hours away.  
> DanK
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
> Good morning everyone.
>
> Tim, If  you put this Legacy on its end, the foot print will take less 
> room in your shop. ;-p
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 07:39:09 AM EST, Jeff Richmond <
> jtric...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Nice machine. Too far for me.
>
> Tim, no more room in the shop? Time for a mezzanine, lol.
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 13, 2023, at 6:55 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> 
> Beautiful Machine, but even I would not have the space for that one. Yes 
> reasonable price for what your getting. 
> Surprisingly no Z access on that big of machine. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 10:23 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1098212628229574/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A23d64dae-4ecf-44a7-b657-dfd7
>  
> Legacy Woodworking Machinery
> $1,500
> Listed 14 weeks ago in Valparaiso, IN 
> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/103719419666344/>
> This is NOT Cheap, but I think its a fair price, there is a lot there to 
> like. One of the longest machine sold by Legacy.Motor drive, ball-bearing 
> headstock, self standing/legs and adjustable bed. 
> <1702441369932blob.jpg>
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Miserable post

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I'd have that expression, too, if my ears were tied out like that!  LOL!  
Good one, Curt.  And Happy New year to you and the gang!
DanK


On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 9:30:36 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> I found this and thought everyone would enjoy a little humor.  Christmas 
> is over and the New Year is just ahead. Enjoy life as much as you can. ;-)
> C.A.G.
> [image: Inline image]
>
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Re: Christmas ornament challenge

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Congratulations

On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 6:58:28 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> For sure. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 5:55 AM  wrote:
>
>> Yes I might just do that if I do one next year thanks
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2023 10:48 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Christmas ornament challenge
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yeah so sorry Bill, your work sure deserved it. 
>>
>> We at the group are very proud of you for sure. 
>>
>> Maybe next year when you enter you can use one of our address's. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 11:18 PM  wrote:
>>
>> I would Tim but they have already given my prize to somebody else before 
>> I even had a chance to email them a USA address
>>
>> The thing that is a pain is in a email a week ago they asked me to pick 
>> my preference out of the prizes available if they had told me then I would 
>> have offered another address why offer a prize if they don’t ship to me
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2023 2:50 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Christmas ornament challenge
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Bill congratulations on the 6th place. That is impressive. 
>>
>> Just have them send it to me and I will forward it to you. 
>>
>> I know the shipping will be a bit but it would be worth it. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 6:46 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys for anyone interested in the Christmas ornament challenge I just 
>> received the results, out of 417 entries I came in 6th but I don’t get 
>> my prize because the sponsors don’t ship international same old problem for 
>> me lol 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
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Re: Test post delete at will

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Well, that doesn't seem right, Bill. But it's part of life and perhaps it 
will help to rejoice anyway.  We still enjoy so many good things that it is 
worthwhile to be grateful for them.  It's a worthy distraction!  Be well 
soon!
DanK

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 10:48:59 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> oh that is never no fun. I'm sorry Bill. I missed Christmas one time 
> several years ago and it was not fun. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 5:29 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yea just quiet and just my luck I been really busy doing last minuet 
>> Christmas stuff and now I have come down sick with a nasty bug that is 
>> going around, I think for the second time in my life I’m going to be ill on 
>> Christmas day that is going to suck
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2023 2:28 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: Test post delete at will
>>
>>  
>>
>> Is this group really quiet or am I still having a problem?
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 5:11:13 PM UTC-5 Jeff Richmond wrote:
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:47 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Merry Christmas everyone.
>>
>> This is a test post after a complete restart of everything because the 
>> site wouldn't take a post from me.  Tim Z was able to post the content on 
>> my behalf after I sent it to him.  Thank you, Tim.  
>>
>> DanK 
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Re: Test post delete at will

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OK.  Sounds good, Santas.  Keep up the good work.  I've been giving wooden 
gifts for so long I think they all think it's ho hum now, and I'm having 
trouble finding new useful stuff, so backed off to requests only!  60 years 
of stuff will do that.  The REVO has breathed new life into this, however.  
Merry Christmas to all!
DanK

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 11:05:12 AM UTC-5 Ken and Diana wrote:

> I think everyone is working on Christmas projects.
> Ken
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 10:27 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Is this group really quiet or am I still having a problem?
>> DanK
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 5:11:13 PM UTC-5 Jeff Richmond wrote:
>>
>>> Got it.
>>>
>>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:47 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Merry Christmas everyone.
>>> This is a test post after a complete restart of everything because the 
>>> site wouldn't take a post from me.  Tim Z was able to post the content on 
>>> my behalf after I sent it to him.  Thank you, Tim.  
>>> DanK 
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Re: Test post delete at will

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Is this group really quiet or am I still having a problem?
DanK

On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 5:11:13 PM UTC-5 Jeff Richmond wrote:

> Got it.
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:47 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> 
> Merry Christmas everyone.
> This is a test post after a complete restart of everything because the 
> site wouldn't take a post from me.  Tim Z was able to post the content on 
> my behalf after I sent it to him.  Thank you, Tim.  
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Test post delete at will

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Merry Christmas everyone.
This is a test post after a complete restart of everything because the site 
wouldn't take a post from me.  Tim Z was able to post the content on my 
behalf after I sent it to him.  Thank you, Tim.  
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Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN

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Now if it was an Evolution
DanK

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Good idea, Curt!  What a Z axis that would be.  Would make Tim the Toolman 
> Taylor proud!
> I am not tempted for several reasons.  It's out of my budget range, I 
> don't have the space in
> shop or van, and it's almost 5 hours away.  
> DanK
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Good morning everyone.
>>
>> Tim, If  you put this Legacy on its end, the foot print will take less 
>> room in your shop. ;-p
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 07:39:09 AM EST, Jeff Richmond <
>> jtric...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Nice machine. Too far for me.
>>
>> Tim, no more room in the shop? Time for a mezzanine, lol.
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2023, at 6:55 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Beautiful Machine, but even I would not have the space for that one. Yes 
>> reasonable price for what your getting. 
>> Surprisingly no Z access on that big of machine. 
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 10:23 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
>> Mills  wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1098212628229574/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A23d64dae-4ecf-44a7-b657-dfd7
>>  
>> Legacy Woodworking Machinery
>> $1,500
>> Listed 14 weeks ago in Valparaiso, IN 
>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/103719419666344/>
>> This is NOT Cheap, but I think its a fair price, there is a lot there to 
>> like. One of the longest machine sold by Legacy.Motor drive, 
>> ball-bearing headstock, self standing/legs and adjustable bed. 
>> <1702441369932blob.jpg>
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN

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Good idea, Curt!  What a Z axis that would be.  Would make Tim the Toolman 
Taylor proud!
I am not tempted for several reasons.  It's out of my budget range, I don't 
have the space in
shop or van, and it's almost 5 hours away.  
DanK
On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Good morning everyone.
>
> Tim, If  you put this Legacy on its end, the foot print will take less 
> room in your shop. ;-p
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 07:39:09 AM EST, Jeff Richmond <
> jtric...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Nice machine. Too far for me.
>
> Tim, no more room in the shop? Time for a mezzanine, lol.
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 13, 2023, at 6:55 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> 
> Beautiful Machine, but even I would not have the space for that one. Yes 
> reasonable price for what your getting. 
> Surprisingly no Z access on that big of machine. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 10:23 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1098212628229574/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A23d64dae-4ecf-44a7-b657-dfd7
>  
> Legacy Woodworking Machinery
> $1,500
> Listed 14 weeks ago in Valparaiso, IN 
> 
> This is NOT Cheap, but I think its a fair price, there is a lot there to 
> like. One of the longest machine sold by Legacy.Motor drive, ball-bearing 
> headstock, self standing/legs and adjustable bed. 
> <1702441369932blob.jpg>
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

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That's a clever addition, Joe.  Have to think on that awhile for my use.
DanK


On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 10:54:45 AM UTC-5 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> coming in late here... definite useful purpose to tilt and rotate the 
> router... attack angle of a router bit can significantly alter the need to 
> do sandpaper touch-ups... this tilting and rotating mill table(from 
> Grizzly) is on my Legacy and was a big improvement in our milling work... 
> it's a game changer, in my opinion... more photos available if anyone 
> likes... Joe B.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This seems relevant 
>> <https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-Copyright-Protection-Last>to
>>  
>> remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL I would definitely 
>> pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least the YZ 
>> fixture.  I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two axes 
>> and have trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to 
>> have close up pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Inline image]
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George <
>>> curt@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your 
>>> note.)[image: 
>>> Inline image]
>>> C.A.G.
>>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via 
>>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Good morning everyone.
>>>
>>> Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.
>>> Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away 
>>> form the topic.
>>> I have no idea why?
>>> It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is 
>>> a pain, outside the norm. 
>>> But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the 
>>> Legacy into a much better machine. 
>>> Like the EVO. but much cheaper.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST,  
>>> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim 
>>>
>>> copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure 
>>> you cant copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Talk about generation gap...I replicated some metal awning release handles 
from my son's boat.  (For those following, that's been the delay on the 
ball 
turner-nesting bowl jig). When I sent pictures of the three completed 3 
piece assemblies
he reported his two boys' response  "He can just do that?"  I almost cried!
DanK

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:51:44 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm with you, Bill.  CNC and AI may be the cat's meow for industry, 
> but not for my hobby shop. My tools are not smart but they are sharp 
> and many cannot even be identified accurately by anyone under 50. So
> it is true that I'm not the sharpest thing in the shop, but I am the 
> smartest!
> LOL.
> DanK
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:44:03 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all have self worth and a 
>> place in the world yet. 
>> You still build some pretty cool stuff and was not that long ago you 
>> completed that angular table 
>> so yeah. I think very highly of you and your knowledge. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:54 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is 
>>> never used any more ☹ 
>>>
>>> I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many 
>>> thousands of dollars and sold world wide
>>>
>>> To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing 
>>> forgotten technology lol 😊
>>>
>>> Bill 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all 
>>> have to face it. CNC is the new way to go. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact 
>>> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it 
>>> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills 
>>> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now 
>>> its buy second hand or make your own .
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hey Mac.
>>>
>>> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended 
>>> up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after 
>>> this video was made.
>>>
>>> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 
>>>
>>> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is 
>>> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would 
>>> have bought one.
>>>
>>> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
>>> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
>>> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
>>> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>>>
>>> Sadly I will never know.
>>>
>&

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

I'm with you, Bill.  CNC and AI may be the cat's meow for industry, 
but not for my hobby shop. My tools are not smart but they are sharp 
and many cannot even be identified accurately by anyone under 50. So
it is true that I'm not the sharpest thing in the shop, but I am the 
smartest!
LOL.
DanK

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:44:03 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all have self worth and a place 
> in the world yet. 
> You still build some pretty cool stuff and was not that long ago you 
> completed that angular table 
> so yeah. I think very highly of you and your knowledge. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:54 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is 
>> never used any more ☹ 
>>
>> I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many 
>> thousands of dollars and sold world wide
>>
>> To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing 
>> forgotten technology lol 😊
>>
>> Bill 
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all 
>> have to face it. CNC is the new way to go. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM  wrote:
>>
>> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact 
>> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it 
>> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills 
>> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now 
>> its buy second hand or make your own .
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Mac.
>>
>> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended 
>> up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after 
>> this video was made.
>>
>> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 
>>
>> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is 
>> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would 
>> have bought one.
>>
>> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
>> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
>> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
>> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>>
>> Sadly I will never know.
>>
>> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
>> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Curtis,
>>
>> WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
>>
>> Thank you for sharing it.
>>
>> I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
>>
>> Mac
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
>> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
>> Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   
>>
>>  
>>
>> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first 
>> hand. 
>>
>> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never 
>> meant to be.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Let's hear what you all think?
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

This seems relevant 
<https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-Copyright-Protection-Last>to
 
remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL I would definitely 
pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least the YZ 
fixture.  I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two axes 
and have trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to 
have close up pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.
DanK

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> [image: Inline image]
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George <
> curt@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your 
> note.)[image: 
> Inline image]
> C.A.G.
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>
> Good morning everyone.
>
> Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.
> Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away 
> form the topic.
> I have no idea why?
> It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a 
> pain, outside the norm. 
> But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the Legacy 
> into a much better machine. 
> Like the EVO. but much cheaper.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST,  
> wrote: 
>
>
> Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Tim 
>
> copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you 
> cant copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch 
> that could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  
> The rest would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A 
> set of construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  
> The copyright or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?
>
>  
>
> I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
> acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
> being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
> because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
> Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny 
> gears. 
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
> wrote:
>
> Anything is possible 😊
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The 
rest would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set 
of construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The 
copyright or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny 
gears. 

DanK

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Anything is possible 😊
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:
>
> The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had 
> had the opportunity to play on one
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
> *Subject:* Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   
>
>  
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first 
> hand. 
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never 
> meant to be.
>
>  
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
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